/biz/ - Business & Finance

4:30pm for AMRS earning call

PRAY FOR AMRS, I PUT THE 100% OF THE /SMG/ HEDGEFUND IN CALLS

what's the fastest way to get earnings results?
i want to have my finger ready to sell if earnings are bad.

>>8364203
Who's going to call on behalf of SMG financial, and ask about the moon mission?

Muh weed stocks are bringing me down this week.

>>8364210
Absolute madman.

>>8364220
If you get me the phone number I will

>>8364210
jesus christ. at what expiration and what strike?

>>8364245
I dunno, just bought something with an expiration date of 4/20 because lmao weed

>>8364245
Comfy got the 4/20s at $7.50

>>8364260
>$7.50
RIP

>>8364210
WE'RE GOING DOWN, DOWN IN AN EARLIER ROUND
AND SUGAR, WE'RE GOING DOWN SWINGING

I can't wait until /smg/ gets BTFO with amrs

>>8364245
>>8364260
>>8364266
>>8364276
IT'LL GO UP, WE HAVE THE POWER OF /SMG/ ON OUR SIDE

>>8364291

5 minutes left

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We will find out if AMRS kills the SMG threads. How ever we've been getting BTFO on earnings a lot recently so we're due for a good one.

Fucking no movement, most boring day ever

>>8364325
I'll need iron hands to keep from dropping my bottle of Buffalo Trace this afternoon if this shit goes south.

>>8364331
well, if it all goes to shit at least we'll have some dank memes to cheers us up

>>8364331
The earnings reports of other meme companies have no bearing on this one.

>>8364331
you know how this works

stock gets shilled for weeks and it fails then the sheep shill another

>>8364233
>AMRS Can I help you?
>yes, has it launched yet?
>launched?
>y-yea. The moon mission.
>Are you with a financial institution?
>O-oh yea. I represent the 4chan /biz/ hedge fund
>please hold
>T-thanks, you too

>>8364258
holy shit bud it had better pop then. theta decay is real. you got the 7.50 calls? how many?

im long too so im on your side, but you shouldve given yourself more time on the contract, just in case

What's up virgins

Just broke my weekly 10%, bought some AXON to hold overnight and sell for a nice 3% gain tomorrow. I guess you betas are still trading on fundamentals? Pathetic.

>>8364379
>>T-thanks, you too
kek

>>8364379
>please hold
>T-thanks, you too
Laffed.

Behold !
The Gain Knight Sminem is wih us !!

sick

>>8364210
>looks up the tripcode on warousu
>it's the original chadposter

w-welcome back

AMRS earnings are out

http://investors.amyris.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=1061064

analysis to follow

lol a meme actually won

>>8364397
I don't know what that means, but sounds good

http://investors.amyris.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=1061064

>Amyris Reports Another Strong Quarter with Solid Operating Performance and 2017 Revenue of $143.4 Million up 113% over 2016

WE DID IT REDDIT

>>8364400
>looks up the tripcode on warousu
>it's the original chadposter

w-welcome back

>>8364436
>>8364455
TO THE MOON

The market isn’t bottoming out. The stock market has been at all-time highs, and still is. The crypto market, on the other hand, is bottoming out because everyone is realizing that every cryptocurrency is more useless than the next. FOMO was the only thing that soared the prices, but that’s gone now. People realized that they weren’t missing out on anything. If you’re planning on making money in the crypto world, good luck!! You’re going to need it.

WHO'S LAUGHING NOW FAGGOTS

>>8364400
3 month robinhood results or gtfo

>>8364466
>mfw there will be a short squeeze of epic proportions incoming

>>8364461
I've been too busy making money to post in a while

>the faggot shills that shit up the threads constantly and autistically screeched at people won
worst timeline

MY GOD

WE DID IT

>>8364502
Yeah I don't know what that means but I'm sure it will be good

>20% up after hours
HAHAHAHAH WE'RE GONNA BE RICH

This is going to be the 3rd time, AMRS has given me a 100%+ return. Thanks you autistic faggots.

I love you bunch of meming fucks. What do I do with all of these GAINZ?

Hey how do I get RH to give me options? I'm impatient and want to lose money faster

WHY DID I LISTEN TO THE RETARDS
WHY DID I SELL AMRS YESTERDAY

So... Uhh... When do my calls go up in value?

Dont get too excited about those gains, your doxxing will ensure you cant cash out

Anybody can give us dumb fagg0ts the highlights earnings report on AMRS? Should we dumbcucks and neets still be holding this?

I am UP :):):) thanks AMRS shilleres!

>>8364567
HODL

Feels pretty fucking good lads. Too bad I didn't gamble more on this tasty meme

>>8364622
hold it tonight and sell in the morning

>>8364622
If you're actually trading as a NEET that's kind of impressive desu. Back when I was a NEET I didn't do it nearly that well.

What is this feeling /smg/?

>>8364440
options pricing is based on a number of derivatives. one is theta, which is the time left. when you are long on options, it decays at an increasing rate as it aproaches expiry. looks like youll be fine this time, but give yourself more time next time just in case. good fucking call though

>>8364502
>short squeeze of epic proportions
3.7million shares to be exact. 3.7million fucking shares that need to be covered.

>>8364653
My calls will increase in value tomorrow morning, r-right???

>>8364668
Keks love

>>8364543
According to our AMRS Lord and Savior on Stocktwits FinalThought, 3.7M shares have been shorted.
There are 43M shares outstanding and only around 10% is floating.

With this stellar earnings, the bears will have to cover.
The more they buy, the more the SP rises.

It is gonna be fun kek

>>8364697
I have 400 of those shares, and I am not selling them because like fuck the people who were short.

>>8364697
So basically, HODL and enjoy?

>>8364686
So as a complete brainlet, it would have been better if I went for an expiry in may instead of april? For next time I mean

Jesus H. Christ the EPS beat was by half a fucking dollar.

>>8364622
>>8364436
This is a really interesting earnings release. Quite a lot of good things in here. Increased revenue, increase cash holdings, lower long term debt. One thing that's sort of buried here is that ARMS is not really a manufacturing company any more. They're now licensing their yeasts to other companies, in particular Royal DSM. Over 60% of ARMS's revenue comes from one licensing deal to DSM. That's what drove the entirety of their revenue growth. I dont know enough to say if this is a good thing or a bad thing in the short term, but when one customer makes up 60% of your revenue, they have a lot of power.

Either way, congrats to the AMRS shillers.

>>8364721
>>8364727
I am not a trader. I am a Barren Buffet fag and I like this little company.
Its story is like a child fighting cancer for all those years and is finally cured after countless bitter battles

>>8364603
dude hold that shit for a little and see where it ends up first. with long calls you can get infinite return, let it ride mate. this has only just begun

>>8364759
Where are you guys getting this information? The call doesn't start until 4:30 eastern right?

>>8364759
Yeah this wasn't priced in at all, we're going to Mars.

OSTK BTFD

How are amrs holders doing senpai.

Thy lord has returned bearing gifts.

>>8364803
Hope everyone listened.

congrats all.
sorry to all who doubted.

and to bust balls, I was never in their room, but shout out to xaviers school for calling this 3 years ago.

>>8364803
I just broke into five figures for the first time. I was all in on that shit. I'm not sure that was unintelligent of me but I'll just go with the ends justify the memes.

How long should I hold my calls for???
HELP ME

>>8364817
>>8364836
Holy fuck amrs shiller 1 and shiller 3.
Based.

>>8364836
>3 years ago

>>8364836
>3 years ago
you'd be down 90% if you bought 3 years ago

>>8364751
more time would have given you more time to make it back if you had missed. but honestly, since you were playing earnings, and felt confident, it WAS a good call, as the price absolutely HAD to move soon. with the longer contract though you dont have to worry as much about time decay and can let your bet ride for a lot longer, and for a much bigger gain.

but you did fine m8, let it ride for a little bit and youll be happy as fuck

uh oh

>>8364768
>big customer is risky
True
But since it is Royal DSM, it will serve as a proof of work. If management is not retarded, it will be much easier for them to gain new customers.

I will look more closely into their liquidity positions. Hope it won't need a new public offering.

>>8364759
And they raised their guidance for 2018 too. They said revenue would be 151M$ and now it is in the 185M-195M range !
With this earning, I am much confident in adding more.

>%1425

>>8364855
I took the contracts that expire tomorrow because I need to use this capital to short the damn bond market and long VIX next week for the fed meeting.

>>8364817
Haha big ups man.

>>8364849
>>8364852
And actually a lot of guys here made almost 100k on AMRS 3 years ago when it went from .40s to 1.20
Still they deserve credit for seeing this turn around

>AMRS earnings beat expectations by 1425%
Dear God, the meme was true!

I hope we have some more good times especially since their plan to positivity is being enacted. AMRS 2020 we continue.

Who
>running it red hot
here?

dw I am up today

Jokes aside (Yes, I did buy the peak). I'm really optimistic.

I told you to listen.
>AMRS n chill

>>8364947
>Tfw only small investment in AMRS

Wish I had balls as big as yours

>>8364892
yeah but youre clearly more confident with options. hes a beginner so im just trying to give him tips on how to not completely fuck yourself over with theta decay on long options.

i was also planning on going long vol next week. never tried actually trading bonds though, i just use them as indicators. care to clue me in on how i can short the bond market w ya? i dont trade on margins (fuckin PDT bullshit) so i dont really know how i could short bonds. maybe an inverse etf?

>>8364997
We all start somewhere anon. Good luck to you

Shorties literally dying in droves lmao.

>>8364904
I'm holding this stock for a good, long time. Great company.
>>8364947
>>8364997
No kidding. Why did I have double the amount in BPMX? Could have made two hundred today. Whatever, I've been in that one since .16 so I'm not hurting too bad. Once it gets back up to .3 I'm getting the fuck out.

IT BEGINS

>>8364997
Never say that
Nobody could 100% sure and in the event it dips, you get to invest another day

Expect for the best but prepare for the worse

>>8364915
Christ its getting quiet in here.

Its almost as if me taking the time to explain myself carefully over the last 4 months was ignored and mocked

>>8364438
You must not have been here long>>8364438

10x bagger incoming.
>never sell AMRS and you’ll make lots of money.

>>8364997
playing earnings is fucking terrifying m8, dont be embarrassed. we all have different risk appetites. i was in a $10k position a week ago, but sold half off a couple days ago because i didnt want to get fucking creamed if it moved against me

>>8365052
We are waiting for the conference call.
It is delayed.

>>8365068
Congratulation man for your ticket to lambo land

>>8365088
I’ve been holding on since January. Last year when it was being shilled I was skeptical because the guy was just quoting StockTwits, then it boomed so I got in. Was nervous because of earnings so played it safe.

EPS is finally showing on robinhood
I bought the $6.35 afterhour dip and already in profit

where's the phone number for the call? I want to hear comfy ask about the moon mission.

Has anyone in this thread ever unironically bought an actual Lambo?

>>8365127
Shits a waste of money, better to buy GE

>>8365127
There was the guy that bought a burnt out wreck with the intent to restore it if it counts.

I want to thank all the AMRS shills for making autismincorporated a huge success

What potential profit are we in for tomorrow?

If this is your first AMRS call some highlights too look forwards to is Melo saying “EBITDA” and the pajeet analyst asking questions.

>comfy call

>>8365153
Eh. Fuck it. I'll say it counts.

>>8365158
Relevant holdings

>>8365112
lol man
I got burned by AMRS before their reverse split
I remember buying 0.67$ and the anon told me to hold it for a year
I was a newfag in the game and I solde just after the reverse split

Then recently someone shilled it again and I got curious and actualy cared to read the 10-K and got excited.

I am definitely going to add more tomorrow.

>>8365160
What is this Melo shoe meme I keep seeing on stocktwits?

Smart anons please feel free to dumb down the shit being discussed on the call for the rest of us.

>>8365127
I bought a 2018 Challenger SRT last year I bet I have the most expensive car itt

>>8365127
I have a 94 Honda got for $200, a steal

>>8365176
Add more? Think that's a good idea? I'm 100% down to sell a bunch of shit to pump AMRS if /smg/ says so. It looks like the company is legitimately good and has good growth potential, at any rate.

>>8365127
The more I learn about investing, the less interested I am interested in useless, value depreciating shit

>>8365178
He famously said on one call “ no more shoes to drop”. This was after rs and when DSM came on board

"We've completed another record year and a very strong fourth quarter. We've exceeded our key targets for 2017 and have started 2018 with continued strong growth in revenues and operating performance," said John Melo, Amyris President & CEO. "We have completed the transformation of our company into one of the leading global companies focused on making our planet healthier. We have organized around three core markets - Performance Health and Wellness, Clean Skin-Care and Pure Flavor & Fragrance Ingredients. Each of these markets is delivering strong, profitable growth underpinned by the most advantaged technology in the sector. We are making good for humanity and our planet with No Compromise(R) products. We are very pleased with our performance and expect another very strong year delivering continued market disruption with our partners."

>>8365127
i dont give a shit about a lambo. im buying a fucking synthesizer

>>8365187
I got a 2015 corvette

>>8365204
i'd only buy one if it was less than 3 months of earnings.
maybe some day

>>8365204
>anon's apartment is bare, with matte wood flooring and bare, white walls
>on the floor is a Japanese futon set and body pillow
>pushed against the wall is a desktop and several monitors, bristling with graphs, charts, and windows.
>His favorite boards? /pol/, /biz/, /a/, and /r9k/.
>Even his clothing is hypebeast shit held for only a few weeks at a time, only to be resold.

>>8365203
Don't listen to me. Do your own research.

I will be adding more since they beat the figures of my model. Even if the price is higher now, AMRS have now become very safe.

And I believe in the global narrative of genetically modified organism industry. Look at RKDA, it is in the same field than AMRS.

>>8365153
Ha, that guy occasionally posts on /o/ looking for ideas on restoring it. 4chan legend.

Sold about a third of my AMRS stack earlier today in case earnings was a blowout and I got in pretty early. Thanks /smg/, I've bought some of your heavy bags, but occasionally y'all really come through. To the moon

So how high do you guys reckon we're going to get in the short term here?

>>8365276
It seems like a good pick but I'll read some more. Maybe (((Bloomberg))) has some great information. GMO's and BioTech is the next big thing- next thing I'm investing in is CRISPR and gene modification companies.

Is anyone able to glean anything useful from this call so far?

>>8365185
nothing interesting right now, they're just reading pre-recorded statements. investor questions soon

>>8365306
I'm going to guess 9 dollars by next week.

the huge huge huge thing about this is that big money will no longer see this as risky.

jesus this thread just kill everyone
I cant even go to my boards because the site is broke

>>8365374
Good point, nice.

>>8365374
egg fuckin zacktly
institutions wouldnt touch it after it got r/s'd
now they will

Buying 9/21 $10 calls tomorrow for AMRS, lets keep the gains train rolling

>>8365445
right behind ya

>>8365326
I feel it too. What a time to be alive

I have said it repeatedly, but the tech growth of the previous decade is over. Those are already stocks for boomers.

The next growth and disruption will be anything related to modifying, fixing, enhancing and imitating/replacing humans and biological entities.

So, biotech, AI and automation.

Obviously, I am long AMRS. Take a look at SGMO, QURE,BMRN and ONCE. The picks of our unfortunate bro Shkreli.

>tfw green on a red day
See you later, wagecucks.

>>8365453
Shkreli... they put him away because he was too ahead of his time.

>>8365374
I fear I am getting FOMO and punished by the Bogdanoffs.
But I am more confident than ever into adding more at open tomorrow.

My shitty europoor broker won't allow me to buy AH.

>>8365453
Free Martin. No justice no peace!

>>8364933
>never answer a margin call

Do you guys feel the bullish Friday?

>>8365508
Gotta keep it spicy. That's the real bull way.

>>8364221
Smoke more

>>8365515
The bull has been prepped, by the AMRS bears.

>>8365536
>bull has been prepped

This needs to be our new meme

>>8365551
I feel quite prepped, don't you?

>>8365476
>>8365481
I am very glad for his videos. That got me interested into finance and actually put my autism for miscellaneous things of the world into something potentially lucrative.

AMRS questions starting now

>>8365594
Did anybody ask about the moon mission?

>>8365629
Someone needs to ask about meme molecules.

>>8365629
not yet, we're counting on Comfy

>>8365573
I have a gambler's heart and high spirits.

A L L. I N.

Put the bears and vix longs on the clock.

Thanks you amyris shills

>>8365658
I was all in today too. Cheers my nigga.

>>8365658
I'm going to long some UVXY ahead of the FED meeting. Tomorrow's going to be red as fuck,

I should have believed in AMRS
I thought it was just a joke!

>>8365712
priced in

>>8365712
Why not buy it at close if you already made up your mind on the entry?

I sense some weakness.

>>8365716
We really, truly, genuinely tried to convince you guys. Repeatedly and at length.

>>8365716
I try to be open minded about all the memes being thrown here and I do my homework when I like something.

Try with XON

>>8365127
liter bike provides better P/W ratio

>>8365776
So cucked.

wtf are there children crying at the background ?

>>8365776
Worse survival ratio though.
What's the point of making it if you get killed by some dumb, blind thot in a SUV?

>>8365802
I heard that too yeah.

>>8365802
It’s the pajeetr from my earlier post

>>8365812
>>8365822

>>8365807
are you actually preaching low risk in this thread

Not a lot of movement after hours but I threw some money after hours just for you /smg/.

I bought a meme stock, at a meme ask in a meme amount. For you.

>>8365741
I have to close my AMRS options to raise the capital to open the position.

Damn we dropped significantly during the call.

>the last pajeet with the screaming children was actually (Comfy)

>>8365914
Good, I can add more for cheaper :)

>>8365887
One loser to the next. Right, on your bike.

First for AMRS

So what happens tomorrow?

>>8366095
Do you really have to ask?

Big green bars directly penetrating bear ass.

Yeast-backed currency when?

>>8366116
Yeast-chain technology

I'm a 28 year old neet and my life savings is about $4500. Should I invest some of this in an index fund?

>>8366147
No
All in AMRS calls on margin

>>8366147
All in SPX LEAP puts.
Trust me, I'm a Slav.

I sold 1000 shares of QHC when it was 6.25

Kill me

>>8366147
Hookers and blow

>>8366147
AMRS

>>8366147
Buy Monero

>>8366162
You are essentially even worse than a Vixcuck do you realize that? LEAP puts are right in investopedia listed under "permabags"

>>8366147
Get $10,000 then put it all up on margin on sp500 future.

>>8366147
Buffett recommends 10% fiat, 90% stock.
I recommend 20% fiat.

index levels are nearing record P/E levels, which is bad. I'm bearish on all Amazon Netflix type stocks and bullish on value stocks.

But long term, yes just put it in VOO and and watch your money double in 10 years.

Should i buy twitter stock ?

>>8366219
>Not over 100% in stock

Don't shit your diaper grandpa but that portfolio sucks unless you're already rich.

>>8366223
Twitter is literally dying.
Their business model is collapsing.

>>8366229
i'm rich by /biz/ standards, poor by real world standards.
If i only had $400 to invest, I'd be all in on some shitty biotech too.

>>8366203
lul

>>8366258
Twitter won't die until Donnie is out of office and that won't be for another seven years

>>8366273
I am 15x long equities with 10x of that being US.

>>8366219
Good stuff anon. I personally would say 50% bonds, 50% stock with enough liquid cash to survive for half a year.

That said, interest rates on bonds are so abysmal atm, that you may want to go 25% bonds, 75% stock.

I think although P/E's are high, it's justified since interest rates are so low. so p/e's in the high twenties are acceptable imo.

>>8366258
>>8366289
I honestly believe an absurd amount of their traffic is from botnets/shills/astroturfing/politics and millenials. It's easy to make a lot of short-term advertising money when your data is plentiful, non-organic, non-unique and unlikely to be permanent.

I've been in AMRS since 3.80. Is it too late to buy more?

>>8366331
>50% bonds

Where do you people come from? I am a degenerate gambler but this shit is just stupid. If you want 50-50 risk at least lever the bonds to equal %vol with equites.

>>8366219
>I'm bearish on all Amazon Netflix type stocks and bullish on value stocks.

AMZN and NFLX are definitely long
Although their PEs are high they are still good bets. Bold ones.
Anything based on a subscription model is potentially a good long.
SPOT will be a hot trade

>>8366331
whose your broker for bonds?
i moved everything to robinhood because free trading.
i don't know if i can stomach anything other than free trades.

>>8366377
In the 70s bonds outperformed equities. If the stock market doubled, I would start putting my montly savings into bonds.

However, I think the current interest rates mean 25% bonds is more prudent.

Speaking of long term holdings, would you guys rather hold bluechip indexes or smallcaps?

>>8366372
I honestly believe 10 is the very least it will go to soonish

>>8366219
Lmao fucking small specs

>>8366398
Robinhood I'm fairly sure has bad execution and they sell your data to citadel who are pure evil (they'll be front running you).

All my bonds are with retail banks, since you can get decent deals and they're insured. I'd go with an index fund for bonds, if not going the banking route, since bonds need to be diversified because of their payouts being weird.

>>8366372
using past earnings as a guideline, we could very well see $12 within 1-3 months
today's beat was enormous, that can't be stated enough.

>>8366423
If you hold bonds at all, especially Treasuries or AAA they better be levered or its on the same tier as a savings account.

>>8366441
Looking at their revenue guidance for 2018 and their P/S, 10$ will indeed be a possible PS.
And with the RKDA hype, it may even go higher

>>8366441
Exceeding expectations by 1488% is nothing to ignore. That and their products are in retail now. Go look at your local Sephora, grills are buying that delicious moisturizer up. Tried some and the spot on my face I put it on is still soft I swear.

>>8366441
>>8366465
Do you guys think it'll dip down a bit to accumulate more?

>>8366441
I think it will reach $7 or maybe $8 tomorrow once the short squeeze come through, then fall back to around $7 range and hover. The main issue with AMRS now is they failed to substantially grow revenue from sales. This income imbalance in favour of royalties could be painful if contracts don't go smoothly.

$10 by EOY is still my projection.

>>8366372
Not too late at all

>>8366464
>Robinhood I'm fairly sure has bad execution and they sell your data to citadel who are pure evil (they'll be front running you).
Degiro does the same with HiQ.
(((Free))) brokers are a meme.

>>8366534
>sell your data to citadel who are pure evil
What?

>>8366464
i get around this mostly with limit orders, just sucks when time is a problem.
70% of the time I get the stated price, thee rest of the time my "fees" due to bad execution are still better than a traditional broker.

>>8366497
This is going to jump another 30% tomorrow, you'd be a idiot to wait, that is if you can get in before pre market guys do.

>>8366534
Aye. You're always paying in some way or another.

I'm reading up on what AMRS actually does and in what insane world can a company that makes literal sourdough and synthetic minge juice go to the moon?

>>8366534
Degiro pisses me off because I have a small portfolio on there which i can't sell because im not allowed to trade cos of my job.They can lend out your stocks as well to their shitty hedge fund (HiQ).

>>8366599
welcome to penny stock land

>>8366599
The potential variety of new meme molecules they'll come up with is huge.

I don't understand how the gold withheld works at all

>>8366599
>muh lipstick memes again
Oh fuck off already, you've been doing this for days.

>>8366824
There is literally nothing wrong with lipstick.

>>8366599
damn, are there still people in denial in regards to our lord and saviour AMRS?

RIP /SMG /

It's been a good day.

>>8367181
yes very sexy good no homo

Well done on AMRS, you guys. I still remember those discussions about convertible debt a few months ago.

>>8366851
Cosmetics and roasties’ quest to hide their ugliness yield enormous profits

AMRS hired a former Sephora executive and Biossance’s world domination isn’t even complete

First, Canada
Now, the USA
And then Asia
Nothing for Europe because cosmetics are haram and punished by gang rapes and stoning

>>8366095
>>8366109
well im in AMRS right now, so im mostly focused on that. people will definitely be taking profit, and scalpers will come in for sure, so itll probably be down (from the gap, respectively). but long term looks fucking insane. im gonna try and grab a swing position in addition to my long one.

as for the rest of the market, its friday so a lot of people will be taking profits. and we got FED news next week so lots of things will be tumbling. probably going long vol, maybe even all week.

another play ive been eyeing is 3x leveraged short semis (SOXS). semis have been on a run lately, and for really no goddamned reason. eventually big guys will take their profits and the whole sector will roll over hard. im using the SOXX as reference to price here, not SOXS, which is what im long on (its pretty cheap at like $10)
>wait for break below 188.70
>buy SOXS
>be prepared to hold through a bull trap
>avg down if i can
>stoploss at 199
>first target at 181.40
>second target at 175.73
or i might just wait for the bulltrap and buy SOXS it as SOXX falls through 188.70. it sucks having to hold short through 3x leveraged on a booming industry. especially with how those leveraged etfs work. gap ups in the market fuck you up very quickly. and expense ratios actually matter if youre holding for a month like i might have to.

what are you guys thinking of playing in the near term? i feel good about today and want to make some more good long term calls. getting kinda sick of locking in losses on nickel and dime shit all the time. want to make a bigger move while im riding high, you know?

>>8367319
>shorting a booming industry

>>8367319
For AMRS, are you talking about tomorrow’s price actions and longer term (a week to a month) ?
With 3.6M shares shorted and only 43M of shares outstanding (many of which are held by DSM and Temasek), the short squeeze gonna be huge tomorrow

But some of the convertible debts may be exercised due to the price pop

>>8366599
did you happen to see RKDA?

I'm not a shill for AMRS but there could be alot of hype over something so simple. Im pretty sure people in here know i think AMRS is a toxic death trap and i still think that it is but that doesn't prevent me from buying calls and getting in on the pump and dump. the way they worded their earnings made it sound extremely good and this gap up is going to squeeze the fuck out of shorts to who knows where tomorrow

don't be suprised at what companies can moon

>>8367310
so do I.
I was the one arguing.
I kept arguing its merits while idiots tried to mislead you.

I bought tendies to celebrate AMRS

>>8367483
>McDonalds
You could have gotten better tendies to be honest family.

>>8367505
Small town Idaho here, I really can't

>>8367513
Oh. Well...shit.

Any TA can clue me in on what does it mean when a chart forms a head and shoulders on an uptrend and then just goes sideways.

>>8367405
the point is im only going to take a position if i see it heading for a bear market. it will only happen if the markets overall start tightening up. but if it does roll over, it will do it hard. TONS of people have been eating that shit up for years. they will take their profits at some point. im really only going for a quick scalp if i see an overall weakness in the market, which MAY happen if this year continues in the way it has.

like i said, im looking for longer term, more planned out trades.

>>8367476
I know companies like RKDA, AMRS and many CAR-T biotechs are not down to earth businesses with solid and tested fundamentals like BGFV

But playing with genes in anything biological is the future

>>8367476
>i think AMRS is a toxic death trap and i still think that it is
Oh come on man, it's okay to admit you were wrong.

>>8367541
what does BGFV have anything to do with anything that i posted?

>But playing with genes in anything biological is the future
no shit.

Did you even read my post?

>>8367525
h&s is only bearish if the base is broken.
Of all the patterns, I think h&s is the most improperly applied. If the H&S isn't completely flat, it's not a reliable pattern.
It can also break south then jump back into the channel.

>>8367595
im not wrong its in the god damn filings that there is dilution to come. Pumpers have even said that max dilution is 90million.

Im making money on this pump and dump that was obvious as fuck, their O/S count is at 42 and their float is at 27, its not going to fall until that float grows, i know this and i got in on it. In the long run they are going to convert and they are going to dump, thats the whole point of convertable investments....

>>8367464
im definitely going to be holding AMRS long term. i will be swinging in and out of it from now on as well. the way it trades will change from here on out if big money is no longer scared of it. they just all saw it as too much of a risk. hopefully now they wont, since it has become profitable.

>>8367476
there is a lot more to that company that has recently turned from the fucking brink, back into something that could be very very profitable in the future. look at the recent deals and financials and you will see its clearly going to be worth a lot more than 5 or 6 bucks very soon, and could potentially keep rolling on up

>>8367481
i think i remember that too. i saw you arguing for it and decided to look into AMRS and actually do some DD for fucking once. went in heavy only recently, back in about november. but shes been good to me, so thanks

>>8367648
youre talking to literal robots

>>8367604
Because you are a meme man. You kind of achieved immortality

In all seriousness, this convertible debts have crossed my mind too
But I did a model with old and less ambitious figures (those given in nov 2017). Even with 90M S/O, the SP was 8$.
My objective is long term and I am willing to see where AMRS will do with BROTAS-2 completed

>>8367613
Thanks. This one formed a hs over a month and then on the second shoulder just started going sideways instead of theoretically dipping

>>8366727
>The potential variety of new meme molecules they'll come up with is huge.
whenever someone pisses on it, this is exactly what im going to say. the memes have led us here. we must invest in the synthesis of newer, more profitable meme molecules.

failure to do so is to turn away from the power of memetics itself.

Watch FLKS

>>8367505
McDonald's tendies are underrated in my opinion. For being fast food

>>8367753
>there is a lot more to that company that has recently turned from the fucking brink, back into something that could be very very profitable in the future.
i understand that.
>could be very very profitable in the future
heard that on many many many pump and dumps.

after awhile it is so fucking easy to spot pump and dumps especially when they have millions of commons to dump into low liquidity, the trick is when to get in them and when to get out of them, knowing when they convert, how they convert and how long it takes to clear is key.

i understand that they are "turning the company around" but there is still shit management in place within a year or two they will start selling off assets and move onto something else and issue more convertable investments. This is such a common practice for corporations.

Most seasoned traders saw this coming from miles away and are profiting on it. I'm taking my profit tomorrow and buying as many puts as i can the next couple weeks while people are unloading their huge positions they've been holding onto.

>>8367800
Good for you, just hope you are able to hold your gains and believe that max dilution is only 90million even when it passes 90mill.

>>8367910
I bring up that BGFV meme for shit and giggles but I actually take you seriously and know what is your take on stocks, which is primarily focused on the capital structure
I think AMRS is finally turning around but it will pay for its past as a debt ridden meme stock
In a way, I hope you are right so that I can add more at discount at a later date

>>8367910
>debt
im aware of it. im just going to take it one quarter at a time though, so in the mid term, im not worried in the slightest. im certain it will pop up on some bigger peoples radar now, where it was just a pennyshit pump and dump scam to them a couple months ago.

>I'm taking my profit tomorrow and buying as many puts as i can the next couple weeks while people are unloading their huge positions they've been holding onto
im gonna try and take a swing entry tomorrow or maybe in a few days, but im with you on the puts. might get a couple 7.50 puts if they get cheap at any point in the near term. definitely some 10s too if we end up getting past there anytime soon. just wanna cover my ass for if the shoe DOES come down

>Got Crypto, but no Options on RH
Cmon.

https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/day-ahead-top-3-things-to-watch-1344582
>JPMorgan’s Marko Kolanovic bullish claim that “markets are likely to reach all-time highs soon,” added to positive sentiment on US stocks late Thursday.

>Supporting Kolanovic’s view that fears over a global trade war are somewhat overdone, white House National Trade Council, Peter Navarro said Thursday the U.S. can Institute tariffs without causing a global trade war.

>>8368161
finally some good news

>>8368188
>bullish
i think some sectors will definitely go up and outperform in spite of an overall pullback in the indexs.

if things look good next week i might go long on the 2x nasdaq (QLD) as its been consistently staying above water and actually made new highs a week ago. even with the FED tightening everything up, things are more or less going on as usual, so why wouldnt some businesses do just fine in this environment? i just cant be more specific as to which sectors, as this is all a hypothetical based on the assumption that the overall markets will pullback in the mid term.

>>8368125
I got options a couple weeks ago.

I don't how the fuck to use them

>>8368188
Really, without the US, other shitholes’ products will have nowhere to go

I don’t think Trump is a bellicist. And i think he knows he is mainly dealing with faggy soyboy technocrats and he will prevail just by flexing some muscles and showing no intent of backing down. His staff is mainly comprised of «hawks»

Either way, there will be two possible outcomes. One, he wins and the other countries accept to negotiate new deals. Second, he doesn’t lose, made in USA becomes hype again and the other countries keep their crap to themselves. «B-but my burgers and toys will become more expensive» come on, you don’t need that shit anyway and the jobs coming back and the higher wages will offset all that

>>8368014
>In a way, I hope you are right so that I can add more at discount at a later date
thats the beauty in these companies that have convertable instruments in their filings, they follow a pattern and each have a way of converting, some have a conversion of lowest 3 trading days (usually in OTC though) and some that have lowest of VWAP in a 20 day range. there are different ways of converting but you can watch when it's being held down in a certain fashion and if you watch the share structure enough you can see when they're dumping and when they're just shaking people out. They haven't dumped yet, their float has remained the same, once that float starts growing though, down trend will commence and then sideways then O/S will grow and then uptrend will start again.

I made money on it on this run up and hope to make money on the run down, it's an active stock with active management which makes good trading.

Some are sleepers which will stay in a trading range for 6 months while they convert and explode overnight, which don't make for good trading but a good lotto play.

>>8368124
it makes a good trade, but when it comes to trading i try to keep it realistic because i've been burned before even after having major gains in a company that was "turning around" thats why ill be taking profits, the company doesn't know me and doesnt care about me so i don't care about it. So i take money and run

i feel like this thread is back to where it was before crypto took over. it's been up more and more after market closes and lately more people have actually been posting some DD and actual reasonable arguements of where the economy is headed and what news is effecting what

>>8368410
>Really, without the US, other shitholes’ products will have nowhere to go
they could sell it elsewhere, but at a fuck huge loss. so sadly, this is very true. i think germany would do fine though. everyones favorite waifu nikkei might actually get a boost if we dont block jap products. they make all the stuff that china makes badly, and actually give a fuck about it. they might gain some market share for their tech products, but their auto industry might get fucked. trump made a good deal with abe though so i bet theyre fine.

the US will likely go into a bit of an adjustment period economically, but we needed china to fuck off at some point. they were practically robbing us, and the effect on all industries other than shitty malevolent "tech giants" was crippling. we are in sore need of some industry.

>>8368594
oh ill be careful. like i said ill be swinging in and out of it. but my long term trade is gonna just stand for the time being because i like the way things are looking for this quarter.

>>8368680
right? just because were on cuckchan doesnt mean we have to be a buncha cucks, right? and besides most of the bots/pajeets seem to be focused more on the crypto.

>>8368680
I understand that sentiment. I've posted macro fundamental stuff here before, and in other threads in the past (>>8367310 this is also me too, btw). Mainly stuff to do with the Fed/ yield curve/ growth stuff.

With active trading though, I just view markets as a battlefield, with everyone (or all the algos) fighting to make money. Don't often have time to sit and talk about every fundamental thing causing a particular movement, or what I think might happen.

Guys I don't want to pay for a dividend.com membership but I want their valuable data to research potential stocks/etf.

Give it to me straight how can I get access to this data without paying for it?

>>8368680
yeah im quite surprised their is not as much schlock as when it was rhg

i think its better because its the only place stocks are talked about here

>>8369042
pay for it or come here and lurk moar

Worth FOMOing into AMRS? I would still be up since I sold at the previous top.

>>8369084
i'm doing that rn, fuck my job tbqh, i sent in an order for 3-4 shares for tomorrow morning

>>8368951
>Don't often have time to sit and talk
not to imply that trading is some fucking arduous thing though lmao

and i also want to add I value all fundamental stuff posted here, because I appreciate the effort

>>8369102
My own research said the company looked solid, but I never thought they would get earnings of this much. Its massive, I thought it would end negative net from the pre-earnings dump.

the nikkei tanks at open, what a wonderful thing

>>8369166
i've heard of amyris before, heck i even know a dude who works there. He tells me a lot about the product itself, but I never payed much attention until today lol.

>>8369178
l-lewd

>tfw my lmao 10 share Amyris buy put me in the green today

Holy fuck.

I still don't think the company is good for the long term. Their drop in fuel additive replacement crashed and burned. Muck Daddy went literally nowhere. Their recent shift to fragrances and cosmetics was driven by the need to find products that command a high price to justify the cost of bio based production.

At this point I feel like Amyris is a shittier version of Ginkgo Bioworks. That's an IPO I'm looking forward to.

>>8369301
Also going to add that Amyris' valuation (before today's earnings, haven't found updated values) is around 375 million, compared to 1.1 billion at their IPO. Ginkgo currently is valued at 1 billion.

>>8369365
i think they've finally hit a niche for their technology.
Cosmetics is nothing to laugh at, every woman uses it.
apparently their shit is getting rave reviews too

What's the /biz/ approved broker for leafs?

What do you guys think?
https://investors.spotify.com/investor-day-2018/default.aspx
Short Pandora?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/03/15/fda-takes-historic-step-to-lower-nicotine-in-cigarettes/?utm_term=.e02cc5a52d1f

I hope y'all niggas loaded up on your XXII

>>8370834
if anything this should be a bad thing, right?

>>8369301
>At this point I feel like Amyris is a shittier version of Ginkgo Bioworks.
get a load of this guy....

AMRS

>>8372448
>hits 7 afterhours
>have 2 market orders to buy calls in the morning
>they might not fill

>>8369185
Has he ever been afraid of not getting paid at some point lol ?

>>8369395
In chinkland shopping mall, cosmetics brands get the best and most expensive places
They are a high margin and turnover business

>>8370853
I think this will be very good for PM/MO since smokers will buy more cigarettes lol