/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>8282123
Det kan väl ändå inte vara 56.5% på crypto??????????

>enjoy great healthcare, education, social support

>>8282136
Don't forget bbc

>>8282123
What's the point of even trying to make any money then?

>>8282123
What is the income tax bracket for 56.5% in Sweden? lmao

>>8282136
>great education
top kek. We didnt even have enough teachers and our spanish teacher couldnt speak spanish

>>8282136
and having to more to norway to work because there's no work for the young in sweden

>>8282136
>Enjoy paying 5 euros for a single bottle of water

>>8282136
You should donate all of your money to the government, since they know best how to spend it.

>>8282149
No idea, i have never heard of anyone paying that much in taxes.

>>8282136
>provided by a monopoly run by the state
>good
kek

>>8282155
>buying water bottles in sweden

>>8282133
How do i tax evade anons?

>>8282169
The entire tax system is designed to be impossible to understand. You're paying way more than you think you are.

>>8282183
I dont know but im pretty sure its 30% on crypto.
I got linked a swedish discord before were they knew but i cant remember it

>>8282207
KryptoSverige? im on it

>tfw fucked a slightly chubby swedish girl off tinder last year because she and her friends were in LA on the country's dime to "study" when they were really out slooting it up and i fucked her after the first day and came in 1 minute the first time and eventually went limp the second time

Thanks letting me ejaculate into a hole bud.

AMERICA AND SWEDEN 56% GANG

>>8282133
30% på alla vinster, även crypto->crypto
så om man bara gör vinster blir det 51%

>>8282263
pga 30% på alla vinster i crypto->crypto trades och ytterligare 30% på slutliga crypto->fiat försäljningen

>>8282219
Could be, cant remember
>>8282263
pic related

>>8282140
You can say that again. Look at all the BBC in Sweden. ROFL. Swedes are cucks

>>8282123
Nothing wrong with this if the entire country is your cousins. It only becomes a problem when you fill it with random third world shitskins. Now Europeans are finally beginning to understand why Americans hate taxes and love guns. We're not assholes with no empathy its just that all that shit is just being abused as a massive wealth transfer from white people to the diversity.

>>8282688
>beginning to understand
>tfw you will never own a gun legaly
I risk serious jail time for owning a automatic weapon

>>8282721
Don't blame you. If guns ever get banned here me and everyone else are a going to lose them tragic boating accidents.

>>8282341
Blanda Upp!

>>8282136
And after thise services are no longer useful to you, you have to still pay more than half of your earnings so that refugees can enjoy the same things.

If you paid for your own education and healthcare it would work out as costing so much less.

what do you guy think the whole point of crypto is? you keep all your shit in crypto, untaxable, unknowable, and then you skip country when you want to cash out.

literally nobody can know how much crypto you have, we're back to the glory days of the swiss account, only now you dont need to trust the swiss wont rat you out.

>>8282799
surely there is no serious anon on /biz/ who isn't/doesnt plan on doing this?

know one knows about my stack of crypto other than my parents and as much as i try to explain it to them they just think its a joke really

the joke will be when i flea the crumbling west for whichever country offers me the cheapest, highest quality of life and safety. thailand's good but after spending a few months in georgia i think thats where ill end up spending the rest of my life

>>8282688
Americans are violent and greedy, hard to compare the two

>>8282341
Helsinki ?

>>8282136
I have all of these and pay around 30%
Sweden is just cucked

>>8282939
In poland it is around 20% I guess so not that much for spending few last years with pappa and mamma

>>8282780
This. My aussie eage support the education, health care and welfare of at least three single mothers - who i will never meet and will never thank me. Ive never been on dole, gotten sick or had children. Effing reeee.

>>8282123
>be dutch
>only pay max. 1.61% tax on crypto gainz

>>8282123
>The tax money goes to Muhammed and Jamal
>Meanwhile your firefighters are attacked by shitskins and cannot go to certain areas without police escort
Such is life in Swedecuckistan

>>8284142
Live in Singapore - pay 0% as there’s no Capital again tax.

>>8284142
Oh and this is only for >975k. <25k is 0% taxed lul

>>8282123
SWEDISH DISCORD COME NOW

trippel dubbelve punkt discord punkt gg / T6Jz9xM

The system would work wonders if you weren't half useless immigrants.

>>8283646
Didnt you hear? They relocated the capital of Finland to Sweden

>>8282341
thats finland

Since your overall tax rate is tied to the percentage of the US population that whites hold, expect your taxes to decrease in the future.

>>8282136
If you aren't a complete poorfag these things are vastly superior in the US. It's only the lower 50% that get completely fucked.

Pretty sure capital gains tax is 30% there like here in Finland. Which is still disgusting.

>>8282939
Georgia is very interesting with its 1 year tourist visa, any idea how much taxes are?

>>8285036
touche. Finland, Sweden, they are all Scandinavian cucks.
From the body language of that Finnish girl in the purple dress, you can tell that she is a total BBC thot. Probably had 80 big black cocks inside her bareback in her short lifetime. Scandinavian women are total race traitors. lol

>>8285301
>all those blonde girls sure love black cock right guys haha i wonder how many black dicks she's taking right now? h-haha just wondering you guys think she'll have mixed children with powerful black man seed? just thinking haha i would like to see it just as a joke haha

Mutts and their interracial fetish are so obvious.

Seriöst, det är så simpelt.

> stack up a nice crypto gains stack
> leave Sweden when you plan on cashing out
> tax liability in Sweden is shift after 183 days in another country
> cash out after 1 year in your new zero tax country
> move back few month later to that shithole if you can't control yourself

>>8285710
Yeah this is my plan: hoard up enough to be worth the bother, move to Hong Kong for half a year, cash out, move back to Europe (not Sweden though). Most European countries have that 6 month liability, so it works for a lot of them.

Why wait one year though? Once tax liability has shifted, the only issue you could have would be Sweden's taxcucks asking questions about the suitcases of cash you cashed out one day after the liability shifted (which means you had invested in Sweden and not reported it), but waiting 2-3 months would be enough, especially if you don't intend to move back to Sweden anyway.

>>8285710
>>8285839
Yeah...its not that simple. Most likely you will need to sell everything you own in Sweden, get rid of all your "substantial ties" and also move permanently meaning that you cant come back as soon as you have sold.

Also you can't just "move to HK for 6 months"
There are almost 0 tax free countries that you can just move to like that without a job or making a big investment for a residence permit

>>8285923
>Most likely you will need to sell everything you own in Sweden, get rid of all your "substantial ties" and also move permanently meaning that you cant come back as soon as you have sold.
Wouldn't be an issue for me, if I did cash out enough to make it worthwhile to do all this shit, I wouldn't want to live in Sweden.

>There are almost 0 tax free countries that you can just move to like that without a job or making a big investment for a residence permit
Well it's not a spur of the moment thing, ideally you'd do this once in your life and be set enough that you won't need to do it again. If you're a NEET with no degree or job experience you won't be able to move to Hong Kong, but if you got a good degree and job experience, finding a job shouldn't be too hard considering we're talking months or years of preparation, not weeks.

You could also just move to a place within Europe with lower CGT on crypto and just pay your 10-15% or whatever and be done with it. The bigger the sums the bigger those 15% will sting though.

>>8282341

They will pay the toll.

>>8286017
>finding a job
if you're still going to have to work you're just wasting your time trying to lower your tax by moving to another country. you only do that when you're cashing out millions and retiring.

>>8285923
>not already holding dual citizenship in another country that doesn't require you to pay taxes on crypto.

>>8286161
>you only do that when you're cashing out millions and retiring.
Yes, that was my point.

>>8282286
Nej, du betalar inte skatt 2 gånger för samma vinst. Försäljning av krypto är beskattningsbart om du köper LINK, SEK eller precis vad som helst som har högre värde än det du ursprungligen köpte dina coins för.

>>8282133
>>>8282123 (OP)
> 56.5%
Nej, OP har IQ 56.5

>>8282123
>Be Swedish
>Don't get shot
>Be Swedish
>Have healthcare
>Be Swedish
>No pollution
>Be Swedish
>Best furniture in the world
>Be Swedish
>Most beautiful women in the world
>Be Swedish
>Not be fat
>Be Swedish
>Not governed by a fat orange retard

Should I keep going burgerfat?

>>8282123
>>8282136
>le 56.5% face

>>8286918

>Be Swedish
>Be Invaded by 2 million mudslimes
>Not be Swedish anymore.

>>8286918
>be Swedish
>get raped by Muhammad

>>8282341
finnish girls are the ultimate sluts, and they love them niggers

meanwhile birthrate lower than during what we call the hunger years in 1800 and more refugees coming into country than white babys born

the jews have won

>>8286918
Enjoy being Swedish in a generation when everyone is part shitskin.
Enjoy a collapsing economy because of SJW mentality.

>>8282939
Patagonia region of S. America for me. Such beautiful landscapes....

>>8282136
In theory.

Like communism.

>>8282341
holy fuck...

>>8286918
jävla idiot, framtidens sverige tillhör mohammed och hans 4 fruar. Bli rik och rädda dig själv och din familj genom att flytta från detta jävla skitland, det finns ingen vacker framtid här för etniska svenskar.

Jag är stolt över mitt lands historia och jag kommer alltid älska Sverige, men bara en idiot skulle medvetet bo kvar här och försöka uppfostra en ny generation i detta land.

>>8282136

>enjoy great healthcare, education, social support

For about 5 more years

"Great education" kek yea must be educated enough to replace your population with Arabs and Somalis

>>8287137
True

Niggers will crash the nordic social welfare state model, its only a matter of time

>>8283208
That's people in general.

>>8282939
Satsa på Georgien. Bra val. Har också tänkt det eller Rumänien.

>>8287137
>For about 5 more years
More or less this, get out of this country by 2025 if you know what's good for you.

>>8282263
Ärthjärna. Du skattar ju bara 30% på plusbeloppet i varje affär inte hela summan

>>8286918
I can tell you for sure that in 20 years your awesome country which I love so dearly will turn into a multicult shithole, no go zones, riots, black lives matter, feminist intersectionalists with half breed babies.

>>8282780
Yes it's called solidarity.

>>8287043
Yup because great healthcare, education and social sport is clearly just a theory in sweden.

>>8282799

>he forgot every single one of his transactions is stored on a public ledger
>he forgot he provided his kyc info to an exchange which can be given to the tax services who can trace all your transactions from your initial ones on the exchange and link it to you

>>8282155
>not having drinkable tap water

>>8282182
>>8287575
>drinking tap water unironically

Please tell me you have a filter at home.

>>8287591
i'm not buying your tinfoil hat trash, Alex Jones

>>8282136
Those programs all have a expiration point. Leftists shitheads like you usually don't understand basic economics so let me give you a quick summation. Socialism, in any form, can only exist on the back of value that capitalism has created. The "success" of social programs only exist in the early years because the previous capitalist system has provided the abundance for any shitty system to not collapse into itself in the beginning. But as years progress, these social systems will break down, become increasingly more expensive (compared to private sector alternatives), and provide inferior products/services until the system completely collapses - but not before taking 50%+ of your income to pay for it. If you think a monopoly (government) can provide better services at lower costs, you are a massive fucking brainlet.

>>8286918

>be Swedish
>green text some grade school tier retardism

you've taken too much black dick

>>8287137
>>8287280
>>8287316
I'm really curious to see how these bloated European welfare states will react when migration reaches the tipping point and the economic strain is too heavy. Not sure how many years or decades it will take. Cultural clashes might even cause upheavals first. Hope the western half of the continent doesn't just turn into America 2.0 aka Brazil 2.0 aka South Africa 2.0.

My friend works with a guy from Sweden. He asked if all the rape shit and invasion by refugees is true and the guy said misty it is and the government keeps all the shit out of the news. Not that we didn’t know all of that but my friend was kinda skeptical til the guy told him. I know soyboy cucks who don’t believe it because they are anti trump retards who are massive hypocrites.

>>8286017
>if I did cash out enough to make it worthwhile to do all this shit, I wouldn't want to live in Sweden.
I know what you mean

>>8286769
Nice, what country?

>>8287591
Or try living in a country that isnt actively trying to kill you

>bee Brazilian
>pay +60% tax on imported goods

>>8286918
Mate, your country is now Brazil 2.0 in the major cities.

Start killing Sandniggers today, don't let your whole country become a white version of mine.

>>8285113
>these things are vastly superior in the US
no they are not, thats bullshit.

>>8282136
You can take your Jantelagen and shove it

We have a great segregation. So I don't have to deal with the problem you're talking about.

we gotta stop the africans. like global brakes on african everything shut it down

>>8287700
if you think private companies have your well being in mind youre even more of a brainlet.

the end stage of capitalism is 1% own everything and the rest is either wageslaves or wellfare recipients. so capitalism creates socialism.

>being a capitalist
>being a socialist

>>8288502
If the private companies who don't steal money don't have our interest in mind, how can the government?

Also wealth disparity increases far more under socialism than capitalism. Welfare tends to go towards rich people who are friends with government instead of the needy, which is why charity is far superior. Also, 80-20 rule is evident against your claim.

>>8288637
>how can the government?
because the gov needs your vote, the private company on the other hand only needs your money and if you cant pay them you are dead to them.

>Welfare tends to go towards rich people who are friends with government instead of the needy,
you dont even get the difference between welfare and subsidies or outright corruption. when a capitalist buys a politician its not welfare.

>80-20 rule is evident against your claim.
against which claim?

>charity
lel, literally begging. charity is usually very little and thrown without any aim at your flavor of the month needy. its far too erratical and random to provide any social net.

>>8285301
finland is nordic not scandinavian

> be American
> Pay 53% taxes
> Don't have free healthcare, education, social services

Top kek

>>8288835

Btw since this will be contested
> 37% for federal top tax bracket
> 12% state taxes for short term capital gains
> 3.8% tax on all profits made over 200k

>>8288835
>53%
>in a pair of years they'll pay more tax than they are white

>>8288800
Your money is a whole lot more important than your vote. Do you think Obama cares about not being elected when he already had 2 terms and can literally just print money for himself and make it look like he didn't really make a debt crisis? Why do you trust authority so much over people who don't steal?

>you dont even get the difference between welfare and subsidies or outright corruption.
How exactly? You didn't tell me at all. That is not a contradiction with my claim that welfare goes towards friends of the government.

>against which claim?
That wealth gravitates towards the 1%? What other distribution did you talk about???? And yet you insult me...

>lel, literally begging. charity is usually very little and thrown without any aim at your flavor of the month needy.
And welfare isn't? Time and time again it's become clear that people who tend to steal money don't tend to be very nice. The fullest embrace of your idea was the Soviet Union and you know that was terrible, why would you insist "a little bit is good tho"?

>>8288502
true capitalism cannot do this
companies cannot collude with government in actual capitalism—or at least, if they did, they would stand to gain no more in doing so than they would working and planning with anybody else
corporations control the government
that's not capitalism—it's corporatocracy, where corporations collect tax dollars and turn into unstoppable giants that use their government influence to shut out the competition
they don't have to innovate or take risks, and they can change any landscape to their liking
it's absolutely disgusting
in actual capitalism, if a corporation doesn't give people what they want—or at least, the thing that most resembles what they want at that point in time—then they go fucking bankrupt and have to shut down

>>8288949
dude, youre clearly not understanding my points. we are talking about different things.

if you think a modern society can exist without welfare than i suggest you try to find countries that have no welfare and find out how they fare.

Tbh I don't get the hate on immigrants. The vast majority of my experiences with immigrants have been positive.

I also pay 34% capital gains tax from crypto (Finland). Never had a problem with it, this nation paid for my healthcare, safety and education and provided that I had a good upbringing. It's about time I gave something back.

>>8289128
Essentially all rich countries used to have slavery too. Doesn't mean it was right. But either way, the ones with the least welfare tend to be the richest somehow. This is not just a coincidence.

>>8289249
>the ones with the least welfare tend to be the richest

Not at all.

Look at this chart: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

Then exclude the micronations and nations which got rich by exploiting natural resources, you'll get left with bunch of rich, welfare paying nations only.

>>8285301
Unless you're a nigger or a cuckold why would you actively be thinking about these things? That said, it's high time Europa, North America and Australia throw off Jewry and the shitskin hordes they bring with them

>>8289311
You're right, should have used the term economic freedom and propserity instead.

>>8287137
Yep, the whole point of a social welfare state--and the only time it can actually work--is inside of a small, tightly run, high-trust, homoegeneous society where all of your neighbors are part of the same ancestors, culture and tradition as you. When it becomes multiculti it inevitably fails. Why do you think burgerlards want individual freedom, no taxes and guns? To justifiably fight off niggers and never pay them for existing.

So you pay a large chunk of taxes, but in exchange live in a country with functioning social safety nets that prevent most of the major problems with poverty and crime, functioning public goods, and a market that can afford your goods and services with a high degree of transparency?

Gee, what a horrible deal. You should move to a free market paradise like one of those African countries.

>>8282780
In the US a cup of nutrient jello during a hospital stay can cost over $1000. You don't have the option to decline taking it.

>>8289188
odota kunnes tyttäres tulee muhamedin raiskatuksi nii sitte nähää onks nehyvä asia suomelle

>>8289652
>social safety nets that prevent most of the major problems with poverty and crime
Welfare is shit in Sweden, and sure as shit doesn't prevent crime.

>functioning public goods
Barely (public transport breaks down all the time), and you pay 70€ a month for public transport even though we pay more taxes than many other countries were public transport is free
.
>a market that can afford your goods and services with a high degree of transparency
Shit here costs through the roof (mainly thanks to taxes) so I dunno how much this is supposed to afford me. Also other countries have better transparency than us in many sectors (e.g. food) while paying less taxes.

And care to guess how much of the tax I pay actually goes to public infrastructure and roads as opposed to welfare?