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Why did privatization of rail succeed in Japan but not Britain?

>> No.8254953

Bump

>> No.8254966

probably niggers

>> No.8254967

>>8254885
what coin is this?

>> No.8254969

>>8254885
Because Britain is controlled by kikes and they ripped off the people and half arsed it. Japs care about making functional infrastructure. Kikes care about money.

>> No.8254979

>>8254885
The UK employs lots of niggers in transportation

>> No.8255061
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>>8254885
Lot of reasons, mainly cultural. Japanese have a mono-coluture society that promotes personal responsibility, while Brits have fallen for the "black people can be British too" meme and as a result their society is crumbling as no one wants to take responsibility. This leads to not caring if your public transport stinks of piss, which increases maintenance costs, which drives down profit margin, oh wait you can't have profit because profits are evil, better nationalize it and charge a 300% premium, etc etc etc...

Another separate reason is that Japanese value their employer, seeing it as more of a symbiotic relationship rather than sitting back and just leeching off the system. So they take pride both from customers who keep it clean, and from employees who make sure the system runs on time.

tl;dr, Multiculturalism is a disease that rots societies from within.

>> No.8255085

>>8254885
Britain doesn't have a private railway system. It has a couple of government-linked private train companies that operate on a profit basis.

>> No.8255110

>>8255061
This except it's not just multiculturalism, Brits are less honorable than Japs by birth, a pure British society just means pure Eternal Angloism

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8255125

why is japan so comfy?

>> No.8255130

>>8254885
It did succeed in Britain, but only in London.

>> No.8255142

>>8255085
And they are shit

>> No.8255152

>>8254885
3 words: ur a fucking idiot

>> No.8255158

>>8255125
Nationalism, Confucianism, and people actually caring for his fellow countryman.

>> No.8255170

>>8254885
when it comes to people japanese have ethics, brits are wankers

>> No.8255194

>>8255061
fuck off back to /pol/ with your retardation please

>> No.8255196

>>8255061
Japanese are good wagecucks.

>> No.8255207

>>8255194
name a benefit of mulitcultiralism that isn't "muh exotic restaurants"

>> No.8255255

>>8254885

female head of state

>> No.8255273

>>8255142
Not too fantastic, not too terrible. I can't say I appreciate a cabal of business interests bound together and secured by state links, incapable of failure due to subsidies, shackled by unionism, unable to build new tracks at will and having to go through the most regulated industry in the entire country to make any remote changes.

>> No.8255287

Japan's private corporations are essentially socialistic entities with zaibatsu style social obligations to both governmental partners and employees.

British private corporations are the greedy cost-cutting cash grabbers that we're most used to.

>> No.8255310

>>8255170
This OP. Same shit happens in Australia. Privatise anything and it goes even shitter and more expensive that the already shit government run stuff. The whole country is run by fucking cunts who want to rip you off any chance you can get. Fuck these cunts

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>>8255207

Interracial relationships

>> No.8255326

>>8255207
There's a benefit to bringing skilled people from other countries. For example, it's good for universities to bring foreign experts in fields that only a few people in the world understand.

>> No.8255357

In Japan the group comes for the individual. You can see this at pic related. Also the education standards for the train operator are extreme high. One mistake and you are fired.

>> No.8255358

>>8255326
>skilled people
>other countries
Pick one

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>>8255196
Door swings both ways. Not saying it doesn't mean terrible hours for some people, but domestic Japanese companies also are much more likely to show loyalty to an employee and their immediate family. America used to be like that after WWII, but it dropped off when we discovered the joys of globalism and found you could just import third world labor en mass.

>>8255194
no u

>>8255310
Can't speak for Australia, but I've found generally that whenever a government finally backs down and allows a private company to operate something that has traditionally been state run, that the state still has a massive vested interest in the company and will even lay on additional regulations that weren't there before, eliminating any possibility of competition. Any dip into the red will, of course, be backed up by the state. It's all usually just a clever disguise for a tax increase.

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>>8255357
Excuse me, now with picture

>> No.8255404

>>8255061
The only benefit of Japan is the fact that it’s still a monoculture. White areas/countries are usually nice places to live too. Japanese are NOT more honorable than Whites in my opinion (having worked in a Japanese company for 1.5 years), they are just more hardwired to follow rules. But privatization or no, a White monocultural country would have a great train system too.

>> No.8255423

>>8255358
Beautiful bait that applies to all cultures, truly a work of art.

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>>8255397
Excuse me sir, you must be unaware that Britain's national past-time is queuing.

>> No.8255450

How come Asians can make infrastructure projects rapidly and cheaply while white people need $1 billion USD and 7 years of planning just to make a highway on ramp?

>> No.8255476

>>8254885
japans respect their companies as much as their state

>> No.8255502

>>8255273
>not too terrible
You obviously don't use southern rail. Fucking piece of shit

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>>8255450
Chinese don't care about regulations, they'll throw bodies at the project until its done.
Japanese take pride in everything they do. Everything.
Koreans are living in the shadow of nuclear Armageddon and don't have time for bullshit.
America has bare minimum 3 separate levels of government regulation and red tape you have to cut through.

But the simplest answer is: Mono-cultures. It's useful when your entire country is united around a common ideal.

>> No.8255536

>>8255432
>needing queue barriers
Fucking apes

>> No.8255542

>>8255450
corruption

not that asians are devoid of it anyway

>> No.8255562

>>8255502
I use Great Western; not had too many issues. Sometimes the carriages are a bit noisy.

>> No.8255566

>>8255432
If you are using barriers to make people queue up properly then it is meaningless. You can make cows queue with barriers.

>> No.8255568

>>8255450
no regulation

when you don't have to worry about bulldozing peoples homes and workplace health and safety is non existant it's pretty easy to get things done

>> No.8255577

>>8254885
Brits are fucking greedy cunts who don't give a shit about eachother. Anglo individualism is the cancer of the West.

>> No.8255600

>>8255577
This

>> No.8255602

>>8254885
>>8254966
>>8254969
>>8254979
>>8255061
>>8255110
>>8255357
>>8255380
>>8255404
>>8255577


What a crock of bullshit.

It has nothing to do with culture and muh "ethno collectivism". Japan's railways only appears to be privatised on the surface but make no mistake - they are heavily subsidised by the Japanese Government, just like most zombie conglomerates in Japan which have been kept alive by subsidies and easy money thanks to near zero interest rates..

Also the myth that Japanese trains always arrive on time is complete bullshit aswell. Perhaps in the past it was true but now due to overpopulation in the cities every fucking train is always a few minutes late. And don't get me started when people commit suicide in front of trains, which almost a weekly occurrence. Fuck. It makes me mad when Westerners pretend they are experts about Japan and its culture, when they really don't have a fucking clue.

this guy gets it THANK YOU >>8255287

>> No.8255628

ITT /Pol/ brainlets

It's simple economics really, population density in jap metro areas makes privatisation more viable

>> No.8255635

Infrastructure is purely political

>> No.8255650

>>8255577
that's why we're kicking them out of the EU, but letting them say that it's them who want out

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>>8255628
>It's simple economics really, population density in jap metro areas makes privatisation more viable

Wrong. They are government subsidised, just like every natural monopoly that is privatised.

This anon explains it better than me >>8255287

>> No.8255697

>>8255358
Japan

>> No.8255708

>>8255680
The privatized rail network in Japan requires few subsidies. The three biggest companies, JR East, JR Central and JR-West (which account for 60% of the passenger market) receive no state subsidy.[22]

>> No.8255719

The problem with privatisation for trains is that there is no competition at the consumer level. The competition is at the franchise level.

For example, if I want to go from Bristol to London, I only have one choice. So I am not really the customer. The customer is the government, and franchise deals are made to benefit the government.

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>>8255602
>Westerners pretend they are experts about Japan and its culture, when they really don't have a fucking clue.
I LOVE SUSHI

>> No.8255780

>>8255536
>>8255566
You can literally see that after the barriers the queue continues in an orderly fashion for several hundred metres.

>> No.8255819

>>8255780
>Japanese multi-conglomerate
>jap higher up, care about Japan
>wester version
>how much can we screw people while using least amount of money.

Japanese corps care about their nation, more about your nation too vs western ones

>> No.8255847

>>8255708

yeah gonna need a citation for that which isn't written by a western reporter

>> No.8255858

>>8254967
coinmetro

>> No.8255873

>>8255819
That has nothing to do with what I said but thanks anyway.

>> No.8255883

>>8255130
You mean where it isn't private?

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>>8255358
worked well for the amerimutts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM

>> No.8255988

>>8254885
japan has no niggers and spics

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>>8255326
>skilled people from other countries

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>>8255602
>>8255719

Also i must mention, Japanese companies engage in creative accounting a LOT. Just look at pic related of "Central Japan Railway Company (TYO: 9022)". What kind of capital intensive company runs on a fucking 30% operating margin??! This is way better than Apple and Google for fucks sake and they are freaking TECH companies. These rail companies are obviously under reporting depreciation on their trains and infrastructure on their balance sheet.

Also the fact most of the shareholders are Banks is extremely telling i.e. they get piss easy credit at low interest rates and long durations

>> No.8256511

I'm a Train Driver. Thanks for paying my wages.

>> No.8256594

>>8254885
I don't much about this but from what I gather, the UK government decided to subsidize the building of motorways and to boost the motor industry, leaving many railways to go out of use because of a lack of demand.

I don't imagine there is enough money in it now for serious improvements - every rail journey I go in I regularly see old, disused railways lines where Birch trees now grow

>> No.8257359

>>8255602
I live in japan, rabbai, and most Japanese success is due to ethno nationalism

>> No.8257580

Because in Japan it was actually privatized.

/thread

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8257640

Privatize everything desu.

>> No.8257682

>>8254885
Niggers

>> No.8257717

how would someone with a lot of money become a citizen of japan? do they let you buy your way in if you're nice and white?

>> No.8257806

>>8255158
Imagine being this deluded
Japanese caring about their fellow countryman? Are you insane or do you live in some kinda animeland?

Japanese people hate each other and the only reason they got this far is the weakness which allows them to exploit each other.

>> No.8258280

>>8254885
collectivism and hints of nationalism, japan wants whats best for their country and they want to announce to the world how great they are. western countries like england are incredibly INCREDIBLY individualistic where conformity is seen as a bad thing so they much rather show off how great they on an individual level such as having a nice lawn, nice car, shoes and so on

>> No.8258328

>>8255125
minimal jewish population

>> No.8258432

>>8257717
not exactly
from what ive heard they sometimes ask overly private questions so if youre someone with a criminal history i dont think youll get in

>> No.8258541

>>8255125
No litter.

>> No.8258753

>>8255061
Kek implying the brit general population were not worthless prole scum before multiculturalism

>> No.8259063

>>8258753
>Kek implying the brit general population were not worthless prole scum before multiculturalism

This. Ever since Henry VIII. A nation of baldricks and blackadders. The bitter divorced wife of international affairs

>> No.8259119

>>8254885
honor based society

>> No.8260167

>>8258280
Lol this is mostly wrong

>> No.8260322

>>8255602
Try taking the train in a place like Washington DC, then Tokyo. Night and day.

>> No.8260536

>>8254885
basically cos shit wasnt being maintained. maximize profits and spend as little on renewals or maintenance led to a shit tonne of rail defects that ultimately caused derailments. thats why the gov took over and network rail is a thing now making sure shit stays working is the number one priority

>> No.8260571

it's really simple. the teanigs always end up putting some lord wankstain of wankington at the helm who then proceeds to make a complete fuckup of it.

>> No.8260577

I guess the japanese culture of perfectionism, following the rules and systems comes from the feudal era.

Back in the day, one fuck up and a samurai would chop your head off.

All the dummies got killed off.

>> No.8260690

oh you mean like cutting down an entire village because someone forgot to bow?
Japan stopped doing that when they found out that samurais don't know how to farm or fish.