/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>8123978
the next few hours for construction workers is CRITICAL

>>8123978
Redneck John Goodman

>inb4 everyone hates on the trades cause they're neets

>>8123978
Why the fuck do blue collar faggots always feel the need to justify themselves? Is it because deep down in their hearts they know that they aren't as educated as your average college kid ,even the one's with a bullshit humanity degree? At least they have an exposure to the basics like higher level math, scientific methods, writing papers, etc.

>inb4 college is a Jewish conspiracy

Even if someone gets a worthless college degree they're still more educated than this fat fucking red neck with a paycheck.

>inb4 trades make a ton of money

Sure, if you want your salary capped at less than a 100k because after a couple of years there's no more upward mobility.

>inb4 start your own company

Most of these fucktards wont do that, they're the first ones at the bar blowing their money on cheap draft beer, that's why thery're all fat as fuck.

The bottom line is that college is a a pretty good deal for most, worst comes to worst you work in an air conditioned building instead if doing back breaking labor for the rest of your life.

Go to school for a good degree dumdums.

>>8124239

ok, realistically dumbass, i get where you are coming from, but talking about capped at less than 100K and lack of upward mobility, do u even realize how many white collar people are capped well under 100K and are stuck to rut in cubical farms anyway. Its a tough world for most people, to be honest I think a big problem with America's education system is the whole implication that blue collar jobs are for fuck ups or brainlets. Instead we have an oversaturation of soypeople with degrees and no good careers, and then shit labor force people since alot of it really is the fuck ups, which immigrants make good competition for

>>8124239
>reddit spacing
>asspissed faggot hating on tradies
>adamantly defending college and degrees
This is either next level bait or you have to back
Either way you're a dumb faggot

>>8124239
.t unemployed college fag with loads of debt

>>8123978
have fun with automation

>>8124239
As someone with a bullshit humanity degree i can tell you 80% of the valuable things i learned about psychology, chemistry, philosophy, etc. came from independent research online/in books. You don't need a degree to educate yourself, it's called reading a fucking book Good Will Hunting style. College classes tend to botch topics anyway, emphasizing the wrong shit.

>>8124239
>Why the fuck do blue collar faggots always feel the need to justify themselves?
Because little bitchboy faggots like you keep trying to put them down.

>>8124239
I may not have a job but at least I have a degree!!

you know who went to college?
The guy whos property hes building

>>8123978
Am I missing something, that was like $600? Uh anyone can cash a paycheck

>>8124391
Everyone has to answer to someone you stupid fuck.

>>8124239
>At least they have an exposure to the basics like higher level math
College algebra is not higher level math.

>scientific methods
Bull shit. Unless you're in STEM you will not get exposure to this (excluding philosophy).

>writing papers
You mean basic shit you should have learned in high school.

As a mechanical engineer I can tell you got some bull shit humanities degree and you're mad that you're making less than this guy and in debt.

>>8124361
If you had a humanity degree you really wouldn't have been in any classes where you can just google everything. Intro classes being an exception, pretty much every stem class is not going to be easy to research on your own on the internet. You can pretend like that isn't the case but I guarantee anyone who talks about how he didn't need to go to school to be in CS will never actually capitalize on his coding ability.

Education doesn't matter in the first place, colleges are a screening process. Unless you have extensive experience (good luck getting that without college), an employer is always going to pick someone with a degree.

>>8123978
can almost garuntee that's a tax refund

>not just moving money back and forth making more money than both the educated and blue color fags

>>8124432
yes and tradies answer to educated people

why are you mad btw lol i dont even care if tradies make good money, good for them. Construction aint for me

>>8124490
And a CEO doesn't have to answer to educated shareholders/finance people? I'm not mad I'm just trying to give you some perspective on the fact that you're a brainlet

>>8124239
>bullshit humanity degree
nobody. nobody beside ppl with bullshit degrees respect people with people with bullshit degrees more than construction workers.

construction workers do actual work that's absolutely necessary for everyone. people with bullshit degrees do child's play for 4 years then serve people at mcdonalds or live off benefits.

>>8123978
I didnt go to university cause its a scam unless your going into law or medicine its worthless. So i registered to become an electrical apprentice for 4 years and now im a tradesman earning 3.3 grand a week working in mining construction (4/1) roster on my week off i set up a little contractor business and go around and do small easy jobs and get around 1.3k CASH. Doing this i clear around 200k a year after tax (Aussie Dollars) while pouring excess cash into cryptos and stock cause why the fuck not.

>>8124004
I like this new meem

>>8124433
This.

I'm happy for him, I study STEM but I respect trades because I worked a part-time blue collar job. I fucking hate people who think they're gonna be better off purely because of their degree when they haven't even graduated

My flatmate used to never shut the fuck up about how much money civil engineering students can make (apparently £25-30k), even though they're the first jobs to go when the economy tanks.

I just thought to myself ok cool I couldn't give a fuck how much you COULD earn, Then a few months ago I got offered £34k starting salary in IT and when I casually mentioned it to him I could tell he was mega pissed hasn't talked about how magic his degree is since.

In short unless it's STEM you're better off doing a trade. And even then a STEM still isn't a guarantee.

>>8123978
Software fag here. I grew up working construction jobs, and I prefer it over programming most of the time, because I get to work around fellow men and not with estrogenated cucks, and because it's generally satisfying. I can make some serious cash as an independent journeyman carpenter, under the table, answering to no one but the customer, always free to walk away – it's hard to beat that. I know guys doing HVAC that make $200k or more easily.

>>8124575
>unless your going into law or medicine
In the states those professions aren't the pay off they used to be unless you are going for free. The law degree market is over saturated atm while trades are in high demand. Med school will leave most in debt unless they go into something like plastic surgery.

>>8124284
infighting between the working class and the "intellectuals" is a common strategy of the left to destabilize the country. It doesn't help that most college graduates are easily convinced they are entitled to rule the world.

>>8124358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUulb6ViI4w

>>8124490
>Construction aint for me
because you're a faggot

>>8124239
>Sure, if you want your salary capped at less than a 100k because after a couple of years there's no more upward mobility.

Lol I'm a construction worker and do 100k in 4 months work

>>8124636
Yep, and even as a ME I know there are people in trades out there that make a lot more than me and I'm fine with that. I just can't fucking stand these ivory tower faggots thinking because they spent some time in a university that makes them better than blue collar workers.

>>8124792
This if you're connected you can absolutely make bank.

I install fucking curtains in hotels. I'm doing a 68 room property this week. I get $100 per room.

The shit is abosultely insane. I can work 3 days a month and have more than enough to live comfortably.

>>8124358
automation has more to do with computer/office jobs than anything nowadays. If automation becomes feasible, office jobs will be the first to go. No point typing spreadsheets when some AI can do it for you.

>>8124239
>Sure, if you want your salary capped at less than a 100k because after a couple of years there's no more upward mobility.
You start your own business, that’s what they all do and make bank

>>8124575
>he thinks he makes a lot of money
blue collar kiddos are really cute
guess who designed the devices you install?
and guess how much money they're making?

>>8123978
Honestly, capitalism has taught me that the true value of a society is the working class and how they get shit done. Without, society would collapse. They free up time for the intellectuals to ponder great ideas while the working class puts the heavy burden on their backs and carries society through sheer muscle.

>>8124239
So I own a construction company ... about 30 employees. If you have any experience or skills, I'll hire you for 70k a year. I am desperate for workers.

>>8124882
Wolf gang puck makes an excellent steak.

>>8124239
most colegefags won't ever get even close to 100k /y lmao
You should only go to school if it allows you to make more money in the long run
most degrees are worthless and I have 10x more respect to a skilled laborer than some fucking pseudo educated fucking soyboy with a useless piece of paper with no skills, no real knowledge.

t. engineer with a degree (the best grade out of my entire group that year)

Life is about having money, because money=times, both are therefore equally precious, good luck wasting both on a useless degrees you soyboy faggot

>>8124239
also, i don't have a degree and make over 500k a year. Bitchboi.

>>8124849
Tradies get the ladies

Miners smash vaginas

Couldn't imagine being a corporate cuck

>>8124959
>money=times
That's deep, brother.

His body is going to be broken by the time he retires though.

>>8125037
Good thing he'll have more than enough to retire when he needs to. :)

>>8125023
of course I meant "time" you retard, keep catching onto spelling mistakes, that's all you got left

>>8124967
buying ripple under a cent doesn't count. congrats anyways though

>>8124239
capped at 100k? I made 120 a year in industrial trades. Foreman can make 150, general foreman even more and then superintendents above that. there is lots of money to be made if you enjoy that type of stuff.

>>8124909
>Honestly, capitalism has taught me that the true value of a society is the working class and how they get shit done. Without, society would collapse. They free up time for the intellectuals to ponder great ideas while the working class puts the heavy burden on their backs and carries society through sheer muscle.
that

>>8124239
Fucking hell the kikes really brainwashed you didnt they. Enjoy your $100k bit of paper when the next financial crisis hits

>>8124239
Inferiority complex, most likely. Every college graduate can become a construction worker (and they will if they graduated in English or some shit) but not every construction worker can become a graduate. I don't care how much money they make because as long as they are anti-intellectual they will never have my respect. They also seem to forget that the reason why they make so much money is because a) no one wants to do their shit jobs and b) it's physical intense which means they will have fucked up knees and back

>>8125154
Mfw my degree is completely paid debt-free thanks to taxes.

T. Europoor

Ex construction worker here don't fall for it bros the work fucking sucks ass and the pay is dog shit regardless what job it is America is fucked beyond repair

>>8125262
>state funded brainwashing makes it better

>>8125262
Enjoy your sub saharan africans and arabs

>>8124239
It appears I've rustled some tenders up in herr

Before any of you fags get anymore butthurt just know that I worked construction before joining the corps as a grunt. I would rather sit in an air conditioned office making less than 100k (although not likely because I'm using my GI bill for a compsci degree) than dig ditches for the rest of my life or sleep in a fucking fox hole.

Stay mad neets, I have more testosterone in my fucking balls than you ever had in your entire fucking life.

>>8125251
they will be better off than some limp-wristed soyboy chained to a chair in his slavebox.
Trust me, human nature is to move around, breathe fresh air etc. People are animas in nature, used to walk miles daily in search for food and so forth.

>>8125281
every job you don't like sucks. It's like 95% of the population. Fuck even if your job is you hobby you'll get tired of this shit doing it 8-12h a day for years.
The entire point is to make a lot of money fast enough to escape that slavery and enjoy life on early retirement

>>8125281
What is your career now?

>>8124239
>Sure, if you want your salary capped at less than a 100k
lol what? who told you this? my friend is a linesman and makes 180k a year.. one of the people he works with works hanging from a helicopter and gets paid $200 an hour.

Are kids being lied to in school about what jobs pay what? There are plenty of general contractors that make more than doctors that have absolutely no school debt. This get a college degree meme needs to die.

>>8124239
Now now billy, drink your soy latte and stop giving the man a hard time.

>>8125430
Nice larp billy, you obese micro penis sporter

I can't understand a word he's saying. How the fuck you americans actually manage to comunicate with each other?

>ITT: People with a highschool education go into absolute COPE mode

Dw guys the world needs ditch diggers and people to clean my toilets, good to see your shit work doesnt make you insecure or anything LMAO

>>8125512
I quit around xmas because I had enough crypto to focus on getting fit but I was driving a end dump, its comfy but trucking is absolute shit on the body

>>8124239
Kek this triggers the lazy neets

Where can I buy construction

>>8124882
Electrical engineers but i earn more than they do (usually 80 to 100k a year cause they got shit rosters and usually the first to go on a project). Also i started when i was 16 and finished by 20 most engineers have to go to uni for 8+ years before they even land a paying job ladening themselves with student debt.

>>8125646
he's still easier to understand than some british/irish/scottish redneck equivalents, that's not even english anymore what the speak

>>8124239
I don't know, why do you project? People that work in trades seem to be more proud of themselves than anyone else with little shame. I wonder why. Maybe its because they were making a living wage state out of high school with no debt and have more skills than basically 50 percent of the nation's student body. Its almost like job security in hard times like this is a good thing. Gee who would have thought? That 4 years of building actual marketable skills with little financial strains from usury will make a world of a difference in the long run for most trade types, you can count on it.

Sprinkler Fitter here out of Alberta. We clear 100k a year, benefits, pension, double time on weekends. When there's work trades can be great.


Btw not all trades are equal ( this is journeyman to foreman rate +-)
Elevator tech 48 - 56 per hr
Sprinkler fitter 46 - 54
Electrician 30 - 36
Plumbers 30 -36

>>8124358
Big tech seems to be getting automated fast than the skilled trades. Automation is a threat to everyone but it seems to me more computer-related tasks are becoming automated than trade work with the exception of assembly line type work. I mean not even just tech but other traditional crucial fields too, how long until we don't need interpreters because Google Translate is no longer a pile of crap? I wager its going to be much easier to program an AI that can competently fix and engineer code than it would be to build an android that can manipulate around a real world 3D space, getting into tight corners, and moving gigantic hot water heaters by itself. Artificial intelligence at the present moment is more of a threat to your desk job at the moment than it is on the blue collar job site. I still have yet to see Roombas drifting around basements scanning piping for leaks, however I do see menial data entry work and accounting work being gradually replaced with software. Face it, software that doesn't need to function in a real world space is miles ahead of robotics.

>>8126164

I know about Elevator Tech/Electricians and plumbers, but how do sprinkler fitters get horribly injured/killed on the job?

>>8124851
Not really. Auyonayion is imminent for repetitive tasks, and blue collars jobs are full of that. Office too, btw.

>>8126239
Generally the same way as plumbers.

>>8126239
Our recorded incidents are mostly service guys getting in car accidents

>>8123978
I wish him the best. Though, he should put a lot of that money away into an IRA or some other form of interest-accruing savings. When the body breaks down, it breaks down fast. I hate to see him poor and out of work due to ill health, but it happens to a lot of construction guys who think their bodies will hold-out forever.

LMOAing at all the pretentious white collar faggots in this thread
>be me
>welder
>make $500K/year
>low cost of living area

>>8126270
>>8126239
Most trades are dangerous. Electricians are at risk of zapping themselves, plumbers are at risk of getting hepatitis or breathing in noxious gasses, and HVAC guys are constantly exposed to equipment at risk of exploding.

>>8124959
Money, time and health.
You kill the last as a blue collar worker. There's always a price.

>>8126299
You're a fucking retard, kid; I'm a welder and I make $500K/year

>>8126325
You're also not very funny. We saw your cute little joke the first time. No need to repeat it

>>8125888
Awesome. Pretty much the same here. If cryptos fail us we'll have to blow the dust off the CV

What the fuck just seen this in reddit vancouver and now its on Biz

>>8126299
By sprinkler fitter I'm talking about fire protection. So danger wise the common shit is ladder safety and cuts. The shit that will kill you are things like systems being under pressure (air is especially bad) or falling from a height. Our rigid 300 machine has been known to snag a few fingers and could easily crush your shit as well.

As long as your smarter than your pipe you should be fine.

>>8126299
Throughout trade school is generally the biggest risk for a tradie

It would be risky as fuck for a corporate fag to try do half the stuff we do. Experience minimizes risk a great deal

>>8123978

Trades aren't a bad way to make a living, and you can get a nice paycheck, esp w/overtime.

However, I have a simple BA in FInance. I got hired by a major insurance carrier, then went into consulting. I make 110K before bonuses.

I also work about 25 hrs/wk. I am billed for 40, but the work gets done so quick and our major clients don't audit billings, and my rate is locked in for the next 20 months left on this contract. For example, tomorrow I am hitting the office from 10-2, and then I am going to step out for "calls" and go see a movie by my house.

So shitting on people with degrees is also fucking stupid. I make a nice livable wage, and I don't have to destroy my body in the process, or even work very hard.

>>8126297
Unless you're aerospace I call bullshit.

>>8125642
What's a billy? Also, once again biz isnt sending its best.

> no attempt to refute my claims

Thanks brainlet

>>8125073
YOU MAD AS FUCK ROFL

>>8124239
>>8125430
>>8126444
>>8126470
this sort of b8 shouldnt generate this many (you)s

If you know what you're doing and have thought everything through, do college. IF you don't then wait, nothing worse than realizing your wasting your time on something or going into the wrong thing.

>miltary then college
>slay pussy as a marine then settle down

ez plan

>>8126428
I think alot of people on both sides look down on each other because they're justifying their choices. I think there's pros and cons to both and exceptions to both.

I have office friends who look at my trade and say "wow you don't have to take your work home with you after 2pm, that'd be nice".


I look at them and think about how nice it would be to have air conditioning or shit in a placed that is cleaner than my current lunch area.

>>8126428

How'd you land your first job?

>>8124239
I guarantee you make less money than that construction worker, and I also guarantee you I would drink a beer with him over you any day, faggot.

>>8126297
Welders are a dime a dozen these days it seems though. You guys are generally hot chicks though which was nice in trades school.

>>8126588
Have fun drinking your estrogen juice with an overweight wife-beater, you self-righteous faggot.

>>8123978
Charles is always insightful.

>>8126444
>>8126330
>>8126325
It's not very hard, he's probably a welder with a few rig trucks under him so his company is bringing that in, not his t4 wage.

>>8126428
What kind of consulting

t. work for IBM GBS and make 90k, but work is boring as fuk

>>8126535

Networking through a family connection, desu.

>>8126946

Managed services, cloud (Azure)

>>8126588
Not sayiing I wouldn't, I love my blue collar brethren, but when I get a job as a software dev working in a heated/air conditioned office making good money I'm not gonna complain.

>>8124239
The redneck construction worker in the video is earning 3x more than the dead shit teacher who said "youd never amount to anything" ever will. I dont know what your point is. The redneck won in life.
As for the reason blue collar hates white.. Same reason white collar hates blue. Deep down they want to experience the other side. Turns into "the grass is a colour i pretend to hate on the other side" kinda thing.

>>8123978
>mfw I watch westernfags bitch at each other about money while their countries continually devolve into violent, shitskin hellholes.

Right now I’m enjoying my paid 1 month vacation. Free from burgerhell. I love life.

>>8127390

>the baseline of success in life is making more money than a teacher

lmao nice standards. And no the reason white collar hates blue is because they are uncultured unrefined swine, and blue hates white out of sheer jealousy and deeply internalized self hatred over the fact they are the workers for the white upper class. They get mad doing all the hard work for them while they kick back with their hot wife, paid vocations, nice cars and cushy job

>>8127390
Ive been a blue collar worker amd ive been a white collar worker

AND I CHOOSE WHITE COLLAR WORKER EVERY FUCKING TIME

>>8127886
I've been a wagecuck and I've been a neet
AND I CHOOSE NEET EVERY FUCKING TIME

AND IF SOMEONE THINKS I'M LAZY OR SHALLOW, GO GET A JOB AT FUCKING MCDONALD'S CAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU FUCKING BELONG

>>8127362
>He thinks a degree in cs will get him a job
Kek
Enjoy being dumped over unqualified diversity hires

>>8124239

Got an apprentice electrical qualification, ended up in the second biggest drug company in the US. Facilities, 45 to 125k base pay increase in 4 years. Brokey back in 2016, now I'm in school for law because I can't do hard manual labor anymore. Fuck, college is terrible. Go into trades.

>>8124490
Because you have tits and bingo wings probably.

>>8124684

Yeah. This. I worked at a multi 10s of billion dollar drug plant with two shifts, 4 teams of compatent hard working MEN. Not soyboys and faggots, although we had a few Bernie Sanders guys, no degenerate faggots or lazy stupid women to deal with

>>8128280
you did facilities maintenance? 125k, you must have been union/living in some high cost of living area.

I do industrial machine maintenance and our pay scale is 20hr-28hr. at the auto plant its 27hr starting with a cap at prob 30

budweiser pays 32.50 or something but they are union.

>>8127949
I'm not in IT you dumb fag. Learn the difference.

>>8127279
>Managed services, cloud
How'd you get into that with a Finance degree? Seems like IT/CS would be a requirement

>>8127949
Where did these meme start? This diversity hire stuff is concentrated in commiefornie and maybe Seattle. Literally anywhere else in the US you don't see this shit.

IT and Software Engineering in Virginia for example is 99% white people, because clearances are required for everything and they don't hand them out easily to shitskins.

>>8128533
Enjoy your 80k a year in bumfuck hicksville while people make 3x that in Seattle.

>>8128581
and they spend that difference on housing.

>>8128614
You have to be a special kind of retard to spend $100k a year on housing.

>>8128581
lmao this is northern virginia you fag. Literally the most wealthy region of the country. Look up Prince william county. COL is greater than Seattle and probably closer to NYC, and salaries are equally high.

Like everyone here on biz is rich af according to this thread, and makes 500BTC/h cleaning toiletts, but when videos or images come up of real biz‘ers its some 20yo untrained kid in its mums basement haha

>>8128667
>north virginia
>Literally the most wealthy region of the country

Jesus christ you are fucking retarded

>>8128796
How does it feel to be retarded?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States

if this guy was paid in cash, and that is his entire paycheck, its less than i lose in a bad hold em' session.

>>8124849
how does one get a job like this anon?

>>8125251
Enjoy being a pale cuck with carpal tunnel syndrome, lumbar lordosis, hemorrhoids and keratoconjunctivitis sicca

>>8128901
Prove it faggot

>>8123978
>teacher said he needed to be ready to work hard
>the man obviously worked hard and became successful
How was the teacher wrong again? Good job proving that tradeskills are for literal retards.

>>8128667
If that's the case, then this dude could be pulling six-figures and barely afford to live there. What a phenomenal trade.
>make $100k swinging hammers
>pay half that on the mortgage for your mcmansion
If this dude was smart, he'd do business there and live somewhere else.

>mfw double digit IQ high school drop-out peasants in here justifying their muk-muk slave work that any retard could do

>>8127559
>muh elitist and im enlighturned BS
>earns less than your "uneducated" redneck
Kek

The delusion of this retard. Face it, you hate people who are true and keeping it real and you'd rather have people being two faced and act like feminine bitches. I'd rather be with "uncultured" swine than pseudo-intellectual faggots whose only achievement in life is earning a piece of paper that sunk you back in $30k of debt.

I'm currently in the usmc and I'm still thinking of what to do after, it's either gonna be get a new degree (nutrition and dietetics, im extremely into bodybuilding, been lifting for 5+years) or I've been considering trades and I've found a really interesting one.... bounty hunter (bail bondsman)
Any advice?

I worked as a decorator and earned probably £35k a year and avoided a lot of tax.

Then I got an economics degree at a seriously shit tier university, I'm now 2 years out of uni working at a fund manager as a trading support analyst earning £30k a year

If future though I will be far better off with my earnings potential over double that so 100% worth it but that all comes down to the fact I live near London, anywhere else in the UK and my degree would be worthless

Same goes for everyone else ITT, where you are from determines the best work opportunities.

Big City = Get a degree

Industrial Countryside = Get a trade

>>8130505
Damn near every vet going to school on benefits (and a lot of younger guys) are getting into "nurtrition" and "kinesthetic" career paths; it's got the opportunity pay-off with personal trainer end-goals, or maybe owning a gym, but you're going to have a flooded market. If you think your experience in the Marines will help you, again just remember that tons of other vets including other Marines are going to be doing the same thing. Not worth it in my opinion.

Being a bail bondsman making great money is like being a hail damage repair shop making great money; it relies heavily on things you cannot control, it never makes as much money as it claims it does, and you'll be working your way through a large portion of your earnings just to fund the next job.

If you want to get into a trade, consider something that's pseudo-trade+academic, like diesel/petroleum tech, welding, complicated machining, etc. that requires certifications or licensure. Also realize that the only way you're going to make great money as a tradesmen is either by owning your own business/company that manages that manages to boom, working for decades to earn the required certifications, licensure, positions, and seniority, or knowing someone.

Also, always remember if you start off into a trade making killer money, you're working in a bubble that's going to burst pretty soon. Oil field workers in Southern Texas were pulling $80k+ starting with nothing more than basic certifications on the level of CDL's, until the oil fields went bust and trucking out a load went from making $10k to $2k. Construction lives in this reality - once a housing boom or an expansion plan dries up, you're sitting around hoping for contracts to come through, where you might only work for a few months at a time - the big, multi-year deals are not common, and the big companies snatch them up anyway.

>>8129891
B-but I make nearly or just over 6-figures - that's the American dream baby! I've got a Ford I payed 3/4's of my annual salary for and a cookie-cutter McMansion in the suburbs!

In all seriousness, fuck it; it that makes you happy, you're happy. I personally know I want more, but if they feel like they've made it, who am I to be a judgmental fuck?