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I guess arbitrarily valuing every random company at hundreds of billions of dollars (because China stronk!) isn't a good idea after all.

Meanwhile, stocks are plummeting (exchanges are down 30% in the last week) and the Chinese government is in full damage control mode trying to stop hood-rich "investors". So much for the invincible Chinese economy!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/04/us-china-markets-brokerage-pledge-idUSKCN0PE08E20150704

>China froze share offers and set up a market-stabilization fund on Saturday, the Wall Street Journal said, as Beijing intensified efforts to pull stock markets out of a nose-dive that is threatening the world's second-largest economy.

>Beijing's reported suspension of initial public offers (IPOs) came a few hours after extraordinary announcements by major brokers and fund managers, which collectively pledged to invest at least $19 billion of their own money into stocks.

>China's government, regulators and financial institutions are now waging a concerted campaign to prop up the nation's two main share markets, amid fears that a meltdown would rock the financial system and inflict heavy losses across an economy where annual growth is already running at a 24-year low.

>Almost $3 trillion in market value - more than the entire economic output of Brazil - has been wiped out since markets went into reverse last month, posing a bigger headache for many global investors than even the Greek debt crisis.

>The main Shanghai Composite Index .SSEC has lost around 30 percent of its value in three weeks, a dramatic end to an equally breathtaking rally that saw it more than double in just seven months, fuelled by official interest-rate cuts.

>The sell-off is especially worrying because the bull market had been built on a mountain of speculative loans. Some analysts suggest total margin lending, both formal and informal, could add up to around 4 trillion won ($3.6 billion).

>> No.806590

Time to buy Chinese stocks?

>> No.806615

>>806590
Don't catch a falling knife

>> No.806616

>>806590
Sounds like it's about that time. Wondering if we should wait another week for it loses closer to 50 percent instead of 30.

>> No.806636

>>806552
I don't understand why people laugh at things like this, any struggle in a major economy is bad for everyone.

>> No.806641

Does this mean cheap chinese shit will get cheaper?

>> No.806775

>>806552
is it finally happening?

>> No.806783

>>806641
no.

>> No.806871
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806871

>>806783
Yes.
They will start working for cheap again once their real estate and big stock market speculator dreams are finally crushed.

>> No.806886

>>806590

What companies China has that are worthy our time and money? Who are their Samsung, Toyota, Sony, Apple or Microsoft? Just a bunch of rip-off companies running on state fiat.

>> No.806931

>>806886
Not really familiar with Chinese business but I can still name a few big names: Lenovo, Huawei, Xiaomi

>> No.806942

>>806931

Lenovo is the only one that has any standing in the US market. Even then its midtier at best.

>> No.806951

>>806636

It's value investors. They hoard their dollars until everything collapses, then they pick up the wreckage cheaply.

Value investors really are human garbage.

>> No.806982

>>806951
Actually, believe it or not, the problem with China's stock market is that they don't allow shorting. Shorts allow/cause price discovery, because shorts weren't allowed in the game, a bubble formed without any negative pressure.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-17/chinas-short-selling-announcement-which-sent-chinese-futures-plunging
http://www.wsj.com/articles/china-raises-red-flag-on-its-stock-markets-1429274641

Think what you will of value investors and shorters, but they are vital to a healthy market. Also, value investors IMO are closely related to buy and hold, long term owners, so, FUCK OFF.

>> No.808310

>>806552
>Almost $3 trillion in market value - more than the entire economic output of Brazil - has been wiped out

I hate this

>buy 5000 shares of widgetco at 10 dollars a share
>portfolio is worth 50k
>somebody pays 20 dollars a share
>portfolio is worth 100k
>somebody pays 15 dollars a share
>portfolio is worth 75k

I just lost 25k of market value! More than the average nigger gets in welfare a year!