/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>7750286
Craig Wright and Hal Finney

Pic related

>>7750300

Didn't they split their support between Bitcoin and Bitcoin cash?

>>7750312
Hal Finney died and CW went to Bitcoin Cash, and says it's the real Bitcoin

Whoever he/it really is, I think Satoshi is a genius for tapping into the NEET/poorfag market.

>>7750300
Half Finney + Nick szabo

At the very least I can tell that szabo is lying when he says he doesn't know who Satoshi is

Every person who shills this crap

>>7750300

Hal Finney was also killed by NSA’s disease generator guns.

>>7750391
Yeah Szabo seems like he was clearly involved in the creation of bitcoin

>>7750286
I honestly believe this tech came from aliens or some other superior intellect species. They wanted to free us from the matrix that controls everyone's life to go to school, graduate, get a job, work for the rest of your life, and then die to accomplish nothing of importance. They know that everyone single human has the potential to make this universe a better place and that starts by freeing us from debt.

>>7750391
This is what I think is most likely, I'm pretty confident about Finney.

i fucking love the AI theory

>>7750391

At least two people wrote the whitepaper.

t. Research scientist.

>>7750286
I have it on good authority it is not the Rothschilds, they are scared shitless of it

>>7750478
>thanks aliens
>wonders why majority accomplish nothing

>>7750478
nah it's old CS stuff merkle trees is just NEET stuff

>>7750419
got any reading material on this?

The end.

>>7750631
Probably similar to this, https://www.sott.net/article/232912-Assassinations-by-induced-heart-attack-and-cancer

>>7750391
Very much this. I thing Craig Wright is a larper, funnily enough he lives 30 minutes away from where I live.

>>7750286
>realsatoshi.jpg
Dang, just realized the dumb glasses are the B.

Jaimie Diamon

>>7750478
>>7750589
>aliens planted the idea of an insanely wasteful PoW algorithm in the hopes we will drive global warming to destroy the planet

hmm

interesting

you could kill off a number of intelligent species who could one day threaten you if you seed them with this idea, and you just need to send info, not a spaceship

>>7750312
Hal Finney has been dead for years.

>>7750538
Yeah I listened to some podcast about the AI theory. Didn't fully make sense but was interesting.

Pic related is the actual Satoshi

>>7750811
>PoS and PoI don't exist and everyone will just keep using PoW

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
And even if we did stay with that shit consensus algo (we won't), there are millions of other things that do trillions of times more damage to the planet.

>>7750670
From the article:
> he later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Fort Detrick Maryland (origin of the HIV/AIDS virus, the Avian Flu virus and the Swine Flu / A-H1N1 virus)

whoah man

>>7750286

>>7750888
Trips says you're right, but reason says Luke Jr.

>>7750872
I didn't say it was a targeted attack

perhaps just a wide spread out that kills some

>>7750906
That faggot is definitely not satoshi

>the one property which nobody believes satoshi has, is being japanese

i find this humorous

>>7750459
He was one of the first involved, but was invited by Finney so Szabo is most certainly not Satoshi, but his BitGold was used as a base format.

>>7750957
oh my god what if satoshi was a fucking weeb

>>7750957
Finney used the name because there was a Nakomoto who lived near him at the time that was getting fucked over during the recession on his mortgage.

My bet is on Nick Szabo with help from Hal Finney and other Cypherpunks.

>>7750888
This was the foundation. Crypto-currencies have been trying to form since before the internet was widespread.

>>7750814
It's very likely that it was him. If Bitcoin's creator was alive, no matter his principles I doubt that he would have resisted cashing some when it almost touched 20k. No one can resist billions, no one alive, anyway.

The only other option than the creator being dead would be if Bitcoin was created by a government agency from whatever country in the hope of destabilizing the economy in whatever else country, and which had good reason not to touch the locked funds.

>>7750991
Satoshi was British or Australian, that much is known from how he wrote and the first image put on the blockchain.

>>7750391
This.

More proof is that Nick Szabo and Hal Finney are the only two devs who didn't act like gigantic faggots.

It wasn't Craig Wright, he's a fraud

Most likely Hal Finney, evidence is too overwhelming.

>>7750945
The argument was that he doesn't fit in Bitcoin's developer team, and this would be the only reason that he's kept around. I agree it's likely bullshit, but the idea that Satoshi is still a Bitcoin developer has some merit on the surface. It's dumb to search everywhere but there.

>>7751019
>there's no way someone obsessed with staying anonymous might intentionally spell some things in non-American English in order to throw people off his trail
crikey

do you think satoshi posted on 4chan

>>7751019

"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"

British Newspaper for sure but the developer might not've been British.

Also Nick Szabo wrote an email to other Cypherpunks in the 90s detailing how to conceal their identities online. Trying to find a post about it. I'm sure it's him + finney with the help of others.

>>7750478
>>7750811
dude what if like... bitcoin was made by aliens man???? *rips bong*

>this is the current state of /biz/

>>7750478
Crypto is zero sum... Its just a reshuffle of wealth. Theres always gonna be poorfags and debt.
>Ayyyyy lmao

the fact that satoshi disappeared and his project became the opposite of what he wanted (he fucking talked about raising block sizes way before the problem happened) indicates he's dead or captured so even more evidence he's finney

>>7751109
kek

Pen15

>>7751122
He also talked about 2nd layer solutions.

>>7751011
Why didn't Hal cash out to save his own life though? He may have helped, but he never had access to 1 million coins. He would have used them to save his life.

>>7751098
>"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"
Indicates he has a British background, but from his writing we know he had a British or Australian background.

>>7751189
But always with signatures still there. He wanted Lightning with signatures and only between trusted parties. Not what is being developed today.

>>7751217
He cryo-freezed himself before dying in case they find a cure for ALS

>>7750286
Some australian guys. Unironically

>>7751217
I don't think all the money in the world can save you from ALS if it's bad.

>>7751217
He didn't seem to be in any financial difficulty and unable to pay for medical expenses. You can't just keep throwing cash at a medical problem and expect a cure, you can pay for the best care or you can't, no reason to cashout if he already could and its not like being cryogenically frozen like he chose to do is cheap.

>>7751267
>He cryo-freezed himself before dying in case they find a cure for ALS
Bullshit he cryo-freezed himself just so he could do the "wake up from a coma in 2025 - hello sir this will be 0.0001 bitcoin" meme.

>>7751217
>>7751294

From an interview with him:

"But as Finney's medical bills mounted, Finney sold the majority of the coins at an exchange rate of around $100, just a fraction of the more than $500 they’d be valued at today."

>>7751297
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0
>My bitcoins are stored in our safe deposit box, and my son and daughter are tech savvy. I think they're safe enough.

Tinfoil: What if they're HODLing the BTC until there's a cure, and they plan on cashing out when that's feasible?

>>7751312
>the majority
>not all of it
So he could pay his medical bills with the bit that he'd sent to addresses associated with his actual identity without needing to touch a million bitcoins and reveal himself as Satoshi.

>>7751329
question about cryogenic freezing:
Isn't he actually dead and frozen right after? So they would need a way to jump start his body AND cure the disease.

>>7750286
Satoshi is a team of OG cyberphunks including but not limited to Hal Finney, Craig Wright and Nick Szabo

>>7751359
that might be why he's holding 1 million coins, that shit will no doubt be expensive
>*rips bong*

>>7751329
Go say that on /r/bitcoin/ and they'll start campaigning to ban ALS research, not even kidding.

>>7751312
Then we know for a fact he wasn't Satoshi as he had the wrong address.

>>7751034
>t wasn't Craig Wright, he's a fraud
There's no evidence of that. Craig never came out and tried to prove he was Satoshi. News Outlets tried to out him as Satoshi. Then he said for a day or two he would prove he was Satoshi and backed out. Seeing how secretive Satoshi was that would make sense, but the only people who know whether or nott Craig is Satoshi are Gavin Andresen and Jon Matonis. Gavin swears Craig is Satoshi unless there was an elaborate hoax which Gavin has said multiple times he doesn't believe. And Jon Matonis now works for Craig. So if Satoshi is still alive its probably Craig, but we'll never know.

>>7750632
Those eyes don't lie

>>7751435
>There's no way he had multiple addresses
I've got around a dozen at this point.

>>7750286
It's probably the most boring explanation, Craig Wright. Everyone wants to believe it's some mysterious thing, but it's most likely Craig.

>>7751563
bcash trolls are desperate for credibility

>>7750286
>Created PayPal
>Shoots Tesla to Mars for fun

I think with PayPal Elon saw the corrupt financial system. He also strong believes in a free market. He is neither republic or democrat. He sees private companies are the future and therefor a free market.

He is the creator of the white paper with some friends.

Why this way?
He knew a new system must come from the people as a libertarian movement to break the corrupt financial system for a world of prosperity in a free market.

hal finney = steve wozniak
craig wright = steve jobs

craig was "satoshi" but he sent the first block reward to hal because it was predominantly his work.

There was a whole group of them working on it, some of whom have still not been revealed.

>>7751614
brainlet theory

>>7751614

How was he balding 20 years ago but now lush ?

>>7750286
John Romero & John Carmak

>>7751463
Why didn't he cash out his addresses to save his life? You never answered this. That's the point. If it were Hal he wouldn't have just let himself die when he was sitting on a few hundred million dollars.

>>7751751
the power of money

and hair transplant

or possibly the most expensive wig available

>>7751679
The initial group was Craig Wright, Dan Kleiman, and Hal Finney. Then Dei Wei or whatever his name is and Nick Szabo.

Isn't it obvious?

>>7751751
stem cell smoothies made from aborted feti

he's indian. he uses british pronunciation and is very good at coding

what if Satoshi was just some weird 14 year old that wanted to impress his friends so he made this program for the fuck of it?

>>7751751
Money is amazing. The more you get, the more you can have everything you want and everything gets easier for you. It's not a fair system, but that's the game, so might as as well play the game, as I used to say, get rich or die trying.

>>7750991
They were three people: zsabo, wright and finney
One made the whitepaper, the other two proofread it
One came up with the name satoshi, etc
You get the idea

>>7751087
he may be in this thread for all you know

>>7751686
Yeah, this is why nobody expect its him.
The year fits perfect. The PayPal fits perfect. His mindset for free market (he says it everytime) fits perfect.

>>7751823
he can't be satoshi. He is clearly too young and there is no information about him being a software engineer.

>>7750300
>Craig Wright

Is a fucking idiot. No chance he invented anything. Have you ever heard him speak?

Most likely it was an amalgamation of people that certainly included Nick Szabo.

>>7750391
>Half Finney + Nick szabo

This is my vote

>>7750681
>>7751034
>>7753441
he's pretending to be an idiot so you guys won't suspect
he has contributions though

https://www.wired.com/2016/05/craig-wright-privately-proved-hes-bitcoins-creator/

>>7751019
>Satoshi was British or Australian

Based on times of postings in the forum certainly points toward North America. Australia is pretty much impossible.

Its nick szabo u fuckin morons. Craig wright is an idiot.

Bogdanoffs

ari juels
childhood friend of hal finney
heavy into cryptography
now coauthored the chainlink proposal
smartcontract was registered in 2008
ari and sergey are friends/partners
just makes sense

Hal was involved for sure

>>7753512
>Based on times of postings in the forum certainly points toward North America. Australia is pretty much impossible.
You can be an Australian living in the U.S. Just saying there is a British or Australian background.

>>7750478
Kill yourself my man

Finney and Szabo were part of the team for sure. Maybe they were whole team, nobody is sure about other members, but these two were surely involved.

>>7750286
Elijah "shitposter" Bishop

>>7750286
It was Hal and Dorian.
Dorian was grumpy about his impending home forclosure and came up with bitcoin, Hal was the implementer. Hal was big on the cypherpunk scene and went with Dorians birth name.
A few more joined the group in the beginnings, though I am not sure if they knew them as nakamoto or not.

Serlik Butarov.

why the fuk u fags think this matter?

even tho crypto tech is game changing its all speculative, its transforming wealth from richer to poor, and from retarded to smart, from impatient to patient and from faggots like OP to chads like anons

thats it

>>7750300
Fucking Nick Szabo just watch the Betting on Bitcoin Netflix one it’s obviously Nick

>>7751109
Kek

>>7751938
Fiddy help me out brus BTC
14yFHYhVDMTPN9hDRzg48SCCrFcz86NkfM
Ya

>>7750286
elonny

You are forgetting the guy who Vitalik threw homage to. Wei. He wrote the first whitepaper comparable to bitcoin. its even referenced in the bitcoin whitepaper

>>7751109
t. joe rogan

>>7750286
Neal Stephenson

>>7751614
+1

You guys are idiots.

Go back through some post on bitcointalk and he old irc chats.

Vladimir is his name, he was involved in btc at the very start, his name is mentioned sometimes and his identity was hidden back then.
In a chat on irc, one of the old holders is talking about a btc conference in 2010(Europe) there is a picture of Vladimir that has been posted in the lineups for speaking at the conference... one of the users in irc notices the picture of vlad is not one of the actual Vladimir, and another user chimes in to say "what are you talking about of course it's him"
If you can find pictures of the btc conventions from 09-2011 he's surely within the pics.

Nick Szabo
S N

>>7750391
They did it but it was nakamoto who inspired them

>>7750286
a reporter found the real satoshi

it was disgraceful

she went to his house and knocked on hos door and recorded his face on camera as he briefly answered the door then slammed it in their face

i wanna say this was in late 2013 to early 2014

Nick Szabo with some help from the others like Hal Finney

Nakamoto programmed BTC with 1 million value in mind. Are you prepared for 1 million USD per coin?

>>7750286
its nick, he is gods child, he is our savior

>>7751120
Its not a zero sum game, your creating somethiny that people value. It will only be a zero sum game if everyone cashes out

>>7750478
Thats so fucking stupid

>>7751011
Or maybe he just lost the private keys or never saved them cause he thought this shit is worthless

>>7750286
Its a mix of Hal Finney and Nick Szabo. That Satoshia Nakamoto guy was a patsy.

>>7750538
All the evidence actually points to it.
All one has to do is look into the theory .

satsoshi nakamotot was the first person to invent crypto
so to find out who he is we just need to find out who was the first person to invent crypto

>>7750820
Look into it

>>7750286
Nick, Hal, CW

>>7750286
Its either Hal Finney or its NSA+AI

There's no other logical explenation. Fuck Craig Wright

Or Keanu Reeves

>>7751384
How closely are people from skycoin associated with all this early stuff? Synth claims he was brought in to audit bitcoin in its early stages & that skycoin is a direct response by some early btc developers to fix the problems with BTC.

>>7758387
he just solved some bugs, he was not core team, though he compiled some codes before 2009 he claims, as did many anon devs

>>7753787
didint know stinky linkies could get this desperate

>>7757284
Whos vladmir?

I think we all know.

>>7758635
What's the rest of the core team doing now if they're not dead

>>7752929

>>7758876
who knows

>>7750553
Elaborate

t. first-year CS PhD student

>>7750286
"Satoshi" handed control of bitcoin development to Gavin Anderson. So he knows who the real satoshi is. Gavin also said at one point Craig Wright is satoshi. Craig Wright was uncovered as satoshi and got raided by the Australian tax office hours later. Wright created it. Dave Kleinman was posting as satoshi and also held control of Wright's trust where the first bitcoins are stored. That is what I came up with so far "satoshi" has always been a group and im not sure yet where the other people besides wright/kleiman fit in

Hi Satoshi, I know you're reading this thread right now so heres my bitcoin adress.

1KDYaNphar24qZcNqSRwnNfj9cBqvPm8kX

>>7752929
Yes, I am.

& just to clarify, Szabo came up with smart contracts in the 90s? So sergeys website is essentially a piece of crypto fundamentals?

>>7750286
dave kleiman

>>7750391
This except not Hal

>>7750286
I believe the Newsweek article is accurate and that Dorian Nakamoto created bitcoin

post your rare satoshis

>>7759157
Unironically drives a Lambo. Okay I will admit he's Satoshi, the lambo is proof.

>>7759115
Tracking your IP now.

>>7757679
that was fake news

>>7759152
>trusting Newspeak
mong

>The year is 2035
>BTC is 2.5M
>Satoshi signature moves 0.0001
>Everyone freaks out
>Hal family claim they have the private keys
>They demand a safe recovery of Hal from cryogenic or they dump
>Global Economy at stake

>>7759472
nice timeline, i want to be in

>>7759472
>still unironically unrhetorically more desirable than the centrally planned race to the bottom we currently have

>>7751604
Retard.

I read an article saying that the NSA knew who Sat was, by analyzing his mails and comparing them with billions of other mails

>>7753502
signaling theory
you faggots also just want him to be satoshi but idk why, he seems like a douche
everyone with half a brain knows it's nick now gtfo you sensationalists.

>>7759831
Does Nick program, by the way? It would be interesting if somebody conducted a code comparison. The same for Craig.

I heard them say that Hal can't be the one who wrote the code because he's a unix programmer and his style is totally different. Satoshi was a Windows programmer.

I think one of the more credible theories is that Mr. Nakamoto is, or was, a regular software engineer with a libertarian/anarchocapitalist political leaning and who managed to put together the different crypto-anarchist ideas that already existed (BitGold etc.) and create Bitcoin. It is safe to say that Nakamoto was a person with above-average intelligence, and I think it would be a little out of his character to leave such obvvious clues to his identity (the same clues that made investigators reach the conclusion that Finney is the inventor).

>>7751751
Nofap

>>7760916

cont.

In addition, Nakamoto engaged in discussions concerning nuances of Austrian monetary theory, which suggests that Nakamoto understood the complex mechanisms behind the modern financial system and, more importantly, knew the dangers of challenging the financial system and the special interests who have disproportionally benefited from the central planning of the money supply.

Going anonymous was done purposefully to avoid the very real danger of his life being threatened by powerful organisations and individuals who would wish to see cryptocurrency destroyed in order to preserve the current financial system. It seems to me that this threat would be enough to justify stringent and bulletproof operation security, which leads me to my conclusion that Hal Finney is probably not the creator of Bitcoin and nor are his contemporaries.

The question that remains is why Nakamoto has not spent his coins yet, especially with the crazy valuations that we have seen recently. My theory is this:

a) Nakamoto has a deep passion for revolutionising and rolling back the severe damage that fractional-reserve and central banking has done to the world, and selling his coins would not be an action that stands true to the original principles behind the invention of bitcoin.

b) Following the conclusion of the previous proposition, I do not think that the possibility of Nakamoto simply throwing away his private keys is remote at all. His principles maybe convinced him to forfeit the fortune that he had amassed for the higher ideal of delivering financial liberation, which I do not think is as unlikely as people think it is.

>>7761154
Why wouldn't you just assume he's dead like everyone else. Why concoct an elaborate fantasy of him being some selfless Robin hood idealogue figure

Satoshi will reveal himself when he is the richest single entity on the planet. Probably when he is worth trillions. He will overthrow the old world order, and use his fortune to "save" the world. Every human will receive his mark in order to buy or sell.

Not sure how to feel about it honestly. Just buy the fuck out of crypto now if you want to be the new elite.

>>7750286
The man who wrote the whitepaper is Hal finney. This is also the man who wrote the code for bitcoin, and the main who had possession of the largest bitcoin wallet in history.

He collaborated with Nick szabo because of his work with bitgold.

The reason satoshis wallet is left untouched is because Hal died in 2012 due to complications from ALS.

The only living person who knows for a fact who Satoshi nakamoto is..... is Nick Szabo.

The pseudo name, Nakamoto, came from Hals neighbor who lost his home due to the 2008 housing crash.

>>7750854
this

>>7753399
>owns a million btc
>been writing code since he was born

don't kid yourself anon, THIS is the mastermind behind BTC.

>>7750286
The antichrist.