/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>7617615
ironically, decentralization of their message.

(((they))) infiltrated the movement and infected it with the cancer of identity politics.

>>7617615
SJWs and liberals sabotaged it.

>>7617883
This. It went from "muh 1%" to "muh FUCKING WHITE MALE". That doomed it.

>>7617615
Dude a bunch of socialist hippies camping out on Wall Street didn’t solve anything. They had a list of like 100 demands and couldn’t organize. The FBI probably destroyed them using their own stupidity as an attack vector.

All OWS needed was one or two simple demand.

Get money out of politics and term limits.

That’s it. They would have succeeded and our country would be way better off now as a result.

But they failed. They failed due to hubris, idiocy and sloppiness.

Now they have white guilt and pretend that minorities are unfairly targeted by the police.

>>7617883
this

>>7617883
The original inhabitants of 4chan were all extremely liberal.

>>7617883
Wonder (((who))) was behind that

>>7617615

They were on the verge of nothing. When did liberals, SJW, feminists, hipsters changed anything ever.

>>7617845
(((they))) did the same thing with the Tea Party movement on the right - it was basically a Libertarian overthrow of the establishment Republican Party that was then infected with Christian Identity / Pro-Zionist politics.

>>7617615

rite, we could have socialism by know because these kids totally knew economics and who's at fault, which totally was the bankers and not the last 20 years of government policies which demanded for cheap credit. heil hitler or whatever you fucking collectivists says, comrade.

>>7617615
They were controlled opposition to begin with. You would have never heard of them if there wasnt a Democrat lobbyist behind them.

>>7617615
Why would a couple hundred smelly hippies camping in a street solve anything?

Nothing can be changed, the government can't be stopped. It functions as an organic body that will actively destroy threats. You can't stop this with a weak willed, vague protest.

If you asked the common man what is fiat currency, they'd look at you like a dog that has been shown a card trick. Unless you solve that, you don't change shit.

The intelligence apparatus is so advanced and insidious that i fear no movement truly has a chance unless the spooks approve of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMGoB01qiA

They were hopeless, clueless, directionless, leaderless.They thought peace, camping in tents and trying to be open-minded matters one shit to the people they are angry with. In the end all they ended up being was a honeypot for crazies, hippies and rapists.

If you want to make a change you have to understand what you want to change, why, how have a chain of command and be willing to kill for it.

>>7618020
UG99, that's what will fuck us up

Hodling BTC was suppost to be evolution of Occupy Wallstreet but every greedy faggot turned into daytrading faggot who knows how to leveraged short and assist bankers in manipulating price

>>7618201
Right now the perfect storm is forming.

It became a publicity stunt. JayZ started selling shirts, the media began to forecast all of the people as a bunch of hippies with no jobs. And that was before people stopped trusting the media. So, the media created that narrative and that’s what it quickly became.

>>7617883
liberals literally started it, mongoloid

>>7618009
Tea Party was always supposed to be a classical liberal movement, it quickly became the South Park stereotype of it.

>>7618328
What? Lefty scum hate crypto for some inexplicable reason. One plank of the bridge that can free us from serfdom of the global elites and they vehemently hate it. You can't make this shit up. It's like when they go on and on about world hunger then in the next breath talk about banning GMOs. How the fuck you think we're gonna feed all these people? Fucking subsistence farming techniques from the Pleistocene? These people are a joke.

>>7618382
So Interstellar irl? Just in time for daddy Elon to finish his BFR and get us out of here.

Obama fixed the economy and people stopped hating wall street

This is the real reason but you faggots will deny it because accepting it would hurt your fragile feelings

(((Them)))
It's always (((them)))

>>7618477
more like the 10 plagues, or riders of the apocalypse or some other religious shit.

>>7618382
>>7618558

What other factors are there in that "perfect storm"?

>>7618558
Oh well, rice is healthier anyway.

The problem with people gathering in masses is 90% of those there have no idea why.

>>7618462
>liberals
OK ...if you say so Mao

>>7618580
economic crisis and an increased likelyhood for war, all of which amplify each other in likelyness,

>>7618597
with 70% of the crop of the largest producers of wheat destroyed, rice too will increase in price. wheat is the primary source of food for more than 1 billion people. increased food prices lead to less social stability, lead to more conflict both nationally and internationally.
the moment we introduce even small amounts of 'malnutrition', the incident of diseases will rise.
with disease comes disgust ...

>>7618464
classical liberal my ass.
It was always a movement of degenerates
>muh build the wall
>muh government is evil corporations are good
>muh rich people are job creators
>muh libertardanism is the answer
KEK fucking deluded "classical liberals"... you're just a bunch of dumb hillbillies!

>>7617615
90% of occupy wallstreet was unemployed left wing scum that just wanted to feel like they were a part of something

>>7618693
So 3rd world niggers and pajeets will be culled?
>inb4 EUcucks open borders for them

>>7617615
They didn't buy LINK

>>7617615

>>7618693
>>7618597

oh, and fun fact: due to speculation on that event, wheat prices rise, which gives farmers the signal to produce more wheat, because more demand (or for the farmers profit), and because stem rust destroys the crop 2 to 4 weeks before harvest, we will waste even more production capacity on this shit. eh ...

>>7617615
It was a leftist movement. It depends on Wall Street in order to fund it and at the same time attempted to destroy Wall Street. The same contradiction destroys every leftist movement in the long term. They destroy their food source and then starve. See:Venezuela

>>7617953
>citation needed

America had that chance with Sanders. Instead, they voted the man who has shitty hair who literally comes from wall street and sucks corporate jew dicks on a daily basis.

>>7618836
Funny but that is not what happened
https://theintercept.com/series/the-fbis-secret-rules/

>>7617953
The original inhabitants of 4chan were contrarian fucks who idolized dumb political trends like Ron Paul and lolbertarianism.

t. been here since 2004 (there really is no escape)

>>7618529
>fragile
Roastie or shariablue detected. Fuck off either way

>>7618737
exactly. or they come to europe ...

>>7618810

So why is this on your radar anon? You've got some interesting tabs open.

>>7618888
>dumb political trends like Ron Paul and lolbertarianism

Let me guess, you're a zionist

>>7618888
>The original inhabitants of 4chan were contrarian fucks
True
>who idolized dumb political trends like Ron Paul and lolbertarianism
Wrong. They were a left wing version of /pol/, which was cool before sjw's made being a lefty gay

>>7618946
Do you not remember the days of the Ron Paul copypasta?

>>7618810
>due to speculation on that event, wheat prices rise, which gives farmers the signal to produce more wheat, because more demand (or for the farmers profit),
Which is why the US subsidizes other grains. Can't have all our corn fields disappear because the price of wheat went up a bit.

>>7618772

Loving this.

>>7618956
that was pretty late in the game.
>>7618946
For the most part, 4chan was apolitical. Only the news boards got into politics much. The rest of us were talking about cats, warhammer vs. Dune, video games, and how to get Snakes on a Plane the Best Picture oscar.

>>7619037
Don't forget about chanwhores like Cracky

>>7617615
Occupy was an orchestrated movement designed to kill the actual danger, tea party.
Leftist movements are never a danger to the current state because their fundamental demand is more state control

>>7617615
They had it wrong. Its not the bankers fault if you sign a document that you dont understand. Its not the bankers fault if you buy a house you cant afford.

"Millions of americans lost their homes!"

You mean the homes they bought on credit? Lost something that was never theirs? Go fuck yourself.

>>7619037
>For the most part, 4chan was apolitical
True but it was openly hostile to christcucks also the racism wasn't so tryhard and politicised like /pol/

>>7618928

wheat futures. might be profitable.

>>7618946

>They were a left wing version of /pol/
>4chan
>left wing

dude being left wing was pretty damn socially accepted since 4chan was born

lot of ppl come to an image board because they don't want to have their name associated with what they are saying

4chan was always far more right leaning than other social media sites in my expereince

if lefties get to be the outcast ones soon they'll probably occupy 4chan, but in 4chan's history, there were leftist people here ofc, but i think right wingers far outnumbered lefties pretty vastly

'tits or gtfo' and let me just not mention the rest of 4chan's invented phases ALMOST all have have more right than left tendencies

even most hopeless NEETs here had an oversized EGO and thought they'd be billionaires in a true llibertarian society

Oh please there was no fucking to begin with in this "movement".
Also this ain't a /biz/y topic get out of here.

>>7618946
Just because we are next door to them dont think a rational lefty doesnt hate SJW as much as anyone. Im pretty far left but i dont acknowledge those fucks either... It feels like they are an alien species

>>7619128
Type like normal person you retard.

>>7619037
yeah. cats, video games, snakes.
that's what 4chan was famous for in the mid 2000s, lol.

>>7618958
actually the us should not have any problems, because they eradicated the barberry bush, another host for the disease, in the 1930s (because of the last outbreak)

I wondered why it showed up on the tracking map. I did not find anything about it, but it serves my 'the-end-is-near-larping' (it's still serious, though)

>>7618958
also it's not about 'not having anything to eat', but about food prices. increased food prices destabilise nations, and can lead to revolutions and war.

Most of the movement was uneducated liberals not knowing what they were protesting. All that 98% of them accomplished was looking stupid on national TV and making America cringe

>>7618873
Bernie endorsed Clinton, the establishment candidate, after it had already come to light the primary was rigged against him. We missed the chance for every state to become California.

>>7619187
i've been here for 13 years, how i type IS normal.

>>7617615
Kek this thread needs context

Multiple /biz/ and 4ch 'oldfags' have been banned short term for thotposting
/biz/ is currently getting raided by literal queers from reddit that have decided /biz/ is the next bandwagon to hop onto

4ch was never left wing, I have been here for over a decade and before it swayed right it just cared about freedom, freedom to troll
There are gays here that want to change the board and change you anon
They are trying to claim this place like they have others
Just look at the literal shilling and random irrelevant threads, it's like a blog
But they will never drown out thot posting
Most of this thread is leftist revisionism

Remember dumbasses
They are shutting up /biz/ and it will only get worse
Look at /pol/
That used to be coherent
But the same shilling and slide threads made it the shitheap it continues to be today

Not gonna stick around ATM ;)

>>7618873
holy shit kill yourself. Trump is saving America from the hoard of shitskins. I would take to the streets with my guns if a socialist was elected.

>>7617615
>Germany was on the verge of overthrowing the globalist financial elite just eighty years ago
Shit happens mate and plans get spoiled. Americans don't do anything anyway.

>>7619240
thank god

>>7617615
"on the verge"?
i think the problem was all the most dedicated occupiers were in fact homeless degenerates

>>7619240
fuck I'm so sad though, those two negresses better know they took the election from that poor man, where the fuck was the secret service to put a bullet in every orifice in their body?

>>7619509

>trump is saving america

you fell for it bro, but desu I hope the infrastructure stuff passes

>>7617915
and I think that was on purpose. you NEVER hear about Occupy anymore- it's been completely erased from any mention in ((their)) media. Identity Politics was a cover-up. a way to claim that "it's white males oppressing you" not us elite from finance and the corporotocracy.

>>7619240
>Tfw you're wearing an expensive watch around black people

>>7619608
unironically this

>>7617615
(((They))) had the Social Justice marxists sitting in the wings for this exact reason. (((they))) throw marxists at something like this and it'll disintegrate, when all the leaders (white men) leave the group, the movement fails.

What (((They))) didn't think would happen though, is that those white men realized that a liberal revolution will never work. We realized that a radical traditionalist revolution is immune to these tactics and began growing a new political movement deep in the wild mongolian throat-singing boards.

GamerGate provided the impetus for our resurgence and for the growing radical traditionalist ideology to take hold around a single common ideal. The beast we created became what is now known as 'the alt-right' and elected a president and numerous senators and representatives... and we're not done yet.

We've achieved our first series of victories, but we're not stopping until (((they))) have been wiped out, root and branch, and the earth salted.

Never Again.

>>7617615

> Bunch of hipster neets think they're going to overthrow world capitalism by banging a drum and occupying a starbucks.

Yep, they're this dumb.

>>7619654
kek

>>7619590
Fell for what? You act like there was a legitimate alternative. You think we'd be better off with Hillar "Liar liar pants on fire" Clinton at the helm? Her and Bernie were so deep into the identity politics shit they still don't realize that's half what lost the democrats the election. That shit is cancer and it needs to end or we're all fucking doomed. We're being played and that includes you, oh so Mr. Condescending.

>>7618655
haha this.

>>7618893
it's ShareBlue. their ideas are so weak they have to pay people to spam.

>>7619672
>believing that the answer to a political movement is another political movement

you had me going there for a second anon, keep sucking statist dick, you seem to like it

>>7619705
you're right they gave us no alternative, but it doesn't matter which overlord we 'pick', (((they))) will run the show until the world ends

>>7618946


>Mate, they weren't the left-wing version of /pol
>Source; I'm an oldfag, I was there.

They weren't the leftwing version of /pol/ they WERE /pol/. As much as /pol/ was politically incorrect and loved hitler, us faggots were onboard with OWS until the marxists showed up to destroy it.

Being left-wing was the thing on-4chan, and it took multiple iterations before we figured out the truth of what's going on, and how to make actual changes in the world with dank meme magic

The first attempt was 'Le Anonymoose' which ended about as well as every one remembers. Then we worked on OWS and the Arab Spring (sorry bout that) until those things fell apart.

It wasn't until the end of OWS at the hands of marxists that we a realized leftism is universally doomed to failure. We needed a revolt of radical traditionalism and ethnonationalism if we ever wanted to have functional nations.

So we created one.

>>7617652
THIS FUCKING MAN, GETS IT.

You guys complaining about the smelly hippies and whatnot are RIGHT buuuut the true problem was ALLOWING the smelly hippies to take part.

Occupy Wall St. did not begin as a stinky hippie tent colony across from my office at the time, but it evolved into that. If it would have had a true leader who would have said "Hey, these fucking hippies are damaging our message" and if they would have organized and centralized and excluded certain parties, we might have seen a true revolution.

>>7618728
Nice bait

>>7619788

>>7617615
Quite generous of you to characterize setting up some tents on a park as "on the verge of overthrowing the global financial system"

>>7619762
Hey, I think the tax man can suck my dick just like you, I'm just telling you what happened.

OWS was our second attempt at political change, after that failure, we build what is the modern Trumpian Right.

You're welcome.

These people were protesting straw-men, "unregulated capitalism" and "corporate greed" as the source of all their ills.

Mediocre people blaming others for their shortcomings and asking government to level the field by making others mediocre too.

They had absolutely no understanding over the causes of the crisis and that's why today we're doing the same that lead us to that crisis.

This shit right here makes me want to see hippy heads on pikes, to be honest.
Faggots like this drove me to the right. https://youtu.be/W81A1kTXPa4

>>7619848
apparently it was a big deal considering the feds had to illegally invade the park and smash everyone's laptops and destroy their things.

trump 2020

>>7619870
nah NAFTA is bullshit. get a grip. we've lost 100,000 jobs per month on average after its signing. aka mid

>>7619955
aka our middle class*

>>7619816
>We needed a revolt of radical traditionalism and ethnonationalism if we ever wanted to have functional nations.
Cuz that always works out...

/pol/ and 4chan in general has always been contrarian because that's the one thing everyone can agree on w/o truly having to align their ideologies. I think you're forgetting the general climate in the mid-2000s. It was extremely family values conservative, so the counter to that was agnostic scientific liberalism.

Enter ~2015 and the mood is incredibly different. It's multiculturalism all over again; identity politics; victimhood; etc. 4chan took a leap to the right. KEK at anyone who thinks this was a anything more than a reactionary shift. In 3-5 years then the zeitgeist changes again, you bet your ass /pol/ will be something completely different.

The focus of the movement shifted from fighting against the banking/political establishment in the United States (a cause which drew in people across the political spectrum and apoliticals) to identity politics bullshit; alienating the bulk of the movement.

>>7619955
That's a skin-deep analysis. Claiming NAFTA was the reason for the loss of jobs would be like claiming open inter-state borders allowing white rich people to fly away is what ruined Detroit.

>>7619862
<3 godspeed anon

>>7619955
With this, what I mean is that there are countries with far "worse" trade deals that perform much better.

Hong Kong for example has unilaterally open trade with the rest of the world, no customs, and look at them, the amount of opportunities for class mobility in hong kong is astronomical compared to the rest of Asia.

>>7618098
This footage makes me respect Peter Schiff a lot more.

>>7620174
Are you implying that NAFTA is open trade?

>>7620110
it's called tariffs. you're a moron but you know that.
I bet you're anti illegal immigration but pro nafta. hilarious.

>>7620287
are you implying it isn't right now?

>>7620174
yep and all of their jobs went to Shenzhen.

>He doesn't know about the #OCCUPYBLOCKCHAIN movement

Buy JPMC now!

>>7619448
>They are shutting up /biz/ and it will only get worse
>Look at /pol/
In /pol/ this is really happening. I am in pol a very long time and never before have normie topics been at the top with replies full spamed from one person just to push it every day again and again. It gets invaded.
But long term nobody can destroy it.

>>7620302
It’s not. That’s a load of horseshit.

>>7617615
SJW Libtard lunatics went on Steven Colbert and derailed it all.

Actual sauce of this on the internet.

>>7620302
>I bet you're anti illegal immigration but pro nafta

Just because I want to trade with the bread baker doesn't mean I want to live with him. I don't see the incoherence.

>>7620287
No, but that's the point people against Nafta usually argue from, specially the "muh jerbs" type. Nafta is a thousand pages of laws restricting trade.

>>7618462
nope, there where even tea party and classic republicans amongst the crowd.

>>7620408
Yes it is. NAFTA is also intellectual property laws that benefit big pharm. true free trade wouldn’t restrict American access to cheaper drugs

>>7617615

>on the verge

>living in a park and sleeping in tents and shit while nothing changes

There are no political/activism solutions. Sorry bro.

>>7619109
>racism wasn't so tryhard and politicised like /pol/

Niggers and nigger issues weren't a part of daily life back then.

>>7620524
Yeah because niggers were forced to keep their mouths shut

capitalism is survival of the fittest, and socialists can't handle that.

>>7617615
>a bunch of unarmed rabble marching in the streets with shitty slogans blaming other people for the problems they, by and large, brought upon themselves
>on the verge of overthrowing anything

>>7617615
Lmao. It was a bunch of NEET worthless faggots with a thousand goals.
When I graduated college with an engineering degree, I couldn't a get a job in my field directly. Instead, I went to the bottom of the barrel and worked as a construction beaner installing the stuff I wanted to be designing.
Then I finally got an offer for a shitty bitch coffee fetch internship that paid minimum wage, half of what I was making and no benefits
Stuck that fucker out for 5 months and then was treated like shit by peers and low management for 4 years because upper management loved me. All of my shit got built easier because I knew how they'd do it in the field. Got promoted above everyone, and now get to order the mouth breathers and pajeets around at 30.
Have fucking passion for what you do and you'll succeed. Bitch because someone else is doing better than you, and you'll be worthless forever.

>>7617953
t. nigger

>>7618098
God these people are dumb and deluded.

>>7619672
Nothing makes me angrier than that pic, fucking vermin those filthy yids.

>>7619448
yep
sad really i was starting to like this place, but it probably has another year to go once bitcoin reaches 50k this will be the next nuclear fallout area as per tradition in 4chan

was apolitical then but took a massive leak on one of the occupied tents because I hated hippies

>>7620733
I love to read threads about 4chan's history and its involvement in politics.

>Have fucking passion for what you do and you'll succeed. Bitch because someone else is doing better than you, and you'll be worthless forever.
That doesn't count for liberal arts careers, of course.

It got cold outside....that's it. That's what killed Occupy Wall Street. Winter came and nobody wanted to sleep in tents anymore. By spring, everyone had already moved on with their lives.

>>7618529
Lmao that has to be satire

>>7617615
>America was on the verge of overthrowing the globalist financial elite just six years ago

>>7618888
Quads of truth.

>>7619448
>/biz/ is currently getting raided by literal queers from reddit that have decided /biz/ is the next bandwagon to hop onto
>Multiple /biz/ and 4ch 'oldfags' have been banned short term for thotposting
This explain so much, from all the constant faggotry to VEN threads getting deleted while Link threads getting promoted

>>7617615
>What went wrong?
Progressives, also known as globalist useful idiots.

>>7619087
This guy gets it.

>>7617615
Movement died out because the people who got fucked over are conveniently the ones who were dumb enough to fall for the traps.

The big ones are credit cards, pay day loans, adjustable rate mortgages, and student loans. People fall prey to those because financial education in this country stinks, and these things are so complex that you usually don’t understand what you’re getting in to. Most of these debt instruments involve either terms that change over time, minimal checks on ability to pay back, or both.

Adjustable rate mortgages will fuck you because your payments will adjust. It was basically the banks saddling the American people with a highly leveraged bet against rates ever rising.

Student loans will fuck you there is no requirement or guarantee you will get a good degree or job at the end of it.

Credit Cards are designed to fuck with your interest rate if you miss a payment or carry a balance or just get past the introductory rate. They’re also being offered through your bank so if you fall behind on your payments they’ll just seize your cash.

Payday loans are basically legal loansharks, except instead of breaking your legs they harass you and your family.

The thing is the people who use that shit don’t WANT them to go away. They enjoy getting payed what is basically a wage to dick around at university, or buy a house they can’t afford, or get easy money today from their CC or payday loan. Honestly, student loans should be yanked at the slightest indication that you’re not getting value out of that money, adjustable rates on ANYTHING should be outlawed.

>>7619816

>we
>we
>we

fuck off, newfag

Occupy wall street is a bunch of stupid niggers

Soros funded test run for the logistical support needed for kickstarting BLM.

As IF the dem donors were ever going to seriously go after themselves

They could still buy calories for incredibly cheap and most still had jobs to go to.

For these reasons they couldn't/wouldn't dig their feet in and fight when the cops pushed em around. The worst case of violence the police committed was that fat dude pepper spraying a bunch of people so there wasn't even any martyrdom doing on.

Compare occupy to automaidan or the Egyptian revolution and you see there just wasn't enough pressure to make people actually fight for reform in the streets. They didn't even have legal cases they were pushing, they just sat there until they got bored/had to go to work. The people in power could easily ignore it and so could everyone else.