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sorry no refunds

>>7589118
So Binance were incompetent after all

>>7589118
Kek. Fuck them. They make more than enough profit from other goys.
If you have less stuff on your binance account than the extra XRB is worth, go for it.

>>7589148
Thats how I feel too. I do have about 5,000 LINK on Binance I think they will end up holding as ransom though. But LINK is just a meme and worth less so may let them keep it.

>>7589118
Simple math. Is the coins left on binance worth more than 3000 nano?

>Sorry I put it on bitgrail now it's gone tehee ;)

in the reverse of your situation, the exchange would claim that they are not responsible for your losses and they would refer you to the TOS

>>7589189
no

>>7589118
this is literally my screenshot from my email. lol. it was 400. not 3k or 6k.

>>7589118
put it through several nano accounts, make a new binance account with different IPs and all. Sell it all if you want.

>>7589118
Get a job.

>>7589185
5,000 StinkChain worth $2,000 or 3,000 NANO worth $28,000. Hard choice.

>"i know, i just won't do it!"
>can never withdraw anything at all
>account is now useless

>>7589197
Maybe after a month of complaints and crying on reddit.

>>7589208
there's your answer

>>7589118
Oh, wow. So convincing.

>>7589213
Nice try lol

>>7589216
Haven't touched it yet...This is def an option

>>7589118
>not clearing out the entire account before trying to rip them off then letting them keep nothing but your dust
You dun goofed.

>>7589118
>xrb holders still say it's not the coin that has a problem

>>7589239
I get it. Except for I imagine I can't be the only one. Also, Binance just suspended deposits (not sure why not withdraws) I have a feeling many people got this email.

>>7589253
i posted it on reddit here an hour ago.

nice larp faggot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nanocurrency/comments/7x09nf/binance_deposits_suspended/du4nqma/

also. not giving it back fyi

>>7589274
I was an early XRB holder and actually help in the dev channels. There are definitely problems that the team is aware of. I wish they waited to fix before exchanges. Unfortunately the worst is yet to come :(

>>7589301
I am moduspol - thanks for the semi-dox

>>7589253
>this is definitely an option
>cant withdraw

hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>7589339
Now you can. Withdraws are open again. So much FUD for that.

if you guys read the fucking email, its not a double spend. it was a double withdrawal from binance's side. the coin literally has no issues its just Binance being dumb listing a new blockchain and not auditing it thoroughly. i'd advise you to give it back or they will blacklist your IP/email/ BTC addresses/everything else. Any device you used in the past (laptop/phone/etc) will be locked out. any wallet/private key you use including ledger nano s will be locked out. its not worth stealing you will go to jail. they have your Ip address and personal information from when you first created the account

I'd suggest to sell now if you haven't.

When I saw that deposit suspended message, I knew it's time to abandon this sinking ship.

trust me Nano is gonna be a disaster...

>>7589525
Agree :( but I think Im going to just deposit in KuCoin and sell all there...

>>7589506
Dude STFU, this is cryptocurrencies why are you acting like this is fiat we're dealing with?

>>7589506
>jail
Is he visiting china anytime soon? Also why are you so young and stupid?

>>7589506
$25k profit or access to Binance.. which you can get around fairly easily... hmmmm

anon is a muppet

>>7589506
if you used your home network's internet connection or school's wifi to trade, they can trace your IP and subpoena your ISP provider to retrieve your exact address and name. don't ask me how i know this but its not worth risking jail time for a few thousand bucks. lawyer and court fees as well as conviction charges will be much higher than the extra xrb. lawyer fees are minimum $20,000 for a trial. dont fuck with binance man they have the power to screw you over. if it was a smaller no name exchange the case would have been different

>>7589616
Except he has no obligation to return the money, and Binance has no standing to do anything beyond suspending the account and asking nicely

>>7589575
>Agree :( but I think Im going to just deposit in KuCoin and sell all there...


its too late, Binance probably already contacted Kucoin to blacklist your wallet address you used to deposit the XRB. this means you wont be able to even deposit it to sell it. they did this with all bitgrail addresses as well. You're only fucking with the #1 crypto exchange of the world. No big deal... dont fuck yourself over kid. you can easily make at least 300k profit if you hodl your 3,000 XRB til EOY. an extra 25k isnt worth it

>>7589616
He didn't steal anything anon, they've made a mistake and honestly there's nothing they can do.

>>7589690
What the fuck are u talking about mate?

>>7589673
thats right, he has no obligation. they are asking politely. but if you do not comply u realize that he's stealing right? that's a felony charge and Binance has inside ties within the crypto community to contact the federal authorities of the person's country of residence. you aren't just fucking with Binance. this is a multi billion dollar exchange and the #1 exchange. if it was any other exchange i would have said knock your socks off and keep it

>>7589118
Is your account verified?

>>7589706
>He didn't steal anything anon, they've made a mistake and honestly there's nothing they can do.

lol you are so naive kid. there's nothing they can do.. there's alot they can do. if this was a decentralized exchange then yeah you can say that. but Binance has jurisdiction to get you on felony charges if they wanted to. don't be stupid, return the money they already asked politely. this could get ugly if u do not comply

Sorry Binance

>>7589118
Simple answer, If your acc is not verified and if your money on the exchange is worth less than that, then keep it.

>>7589506
T. Angel cuck
Also lol,how the fuck can Binance access my private keys? Are you drugged?

>>7589690
unfortunately, all 6,000 nano are going to be worthless soon. The writing is on the wall, I want out

>>7589760
No

>>7589797
Are u taking any meds anon?

>>7589616
Yeah this is definitely an angel cuck
They said the same thing when the REQ incident happened
Then nothing happened, nothing went to jail
>>7589118
OP do t listen to this cuck, keep your nano, next time if you want to use Binance just use a vpn, fuck em
Don't give anything back, that's yours, you deserve it

>>7589815
i think he might be from binance, seems pretty desperate.

send it back for the reasons that the sensible anons have mentioned. i'm not sure of the legalities so i can only advise you to err on the side of caution.
if you return it make it very clear to them in your email that you easily could have kept it. you are returning it out of appreciation for their services but mention that they would probably not do you the same favor if the situation were reversed. you may get gibs

>>7589506
>jail
kek getta load of this guys
>chinese exchange
what are they gonna do kek

>>7589797
post yfw when you found out CZ browses /biz/

>>7589118
ask them for lifetime fee-less trading

Don't they have your ID?

Nice larp

>>7589797
>I dont think you know what unregulated means

im not from binance >>7589866 fucking retard. im suggesting you to not steal $30,000 worth of xrb. by not returning it, you are essentially committing a crime.

>>7589815
no they cannot access your private key but all the public addresses you use will be blacklisted so you cant even deposit/withdraw with them on any exchange. imagine being on the no fly list as a wanted terrorist

>>7589118
Exchanges are like bank anon. They talk to each other for the simple reason that fraud and theft is bad for everybody. Your wallet has been flagged and if not sorted all wallets that you have used through binance. Plus, you intentionally done it hence it’s theft, whichever pathetic way you want to look at it. I work for it team. We do some exchange stuff, mainly RDS AWS . I know that this stuff exist. Do yourself a favour if you want peace and give it back. Not worth it.

>>7589982
>what is laundering

>>7589866
He's definitely a Binance angelcuck

>>7589118
>>7589213
If it's not a larp you can prove that without revealing your password using https://tlsnotary.org/pagesigner.html

>>7589982
>comparing getting free crypto because an exchange fuckup with terrorist
The absolute state of Binance angel cucks HAHAHAHA
Kys, the xrb is gone, KAPOOT! Not coming back!

>>7589233
>make new account
>problem solved

>>7589942
no

>>7589900

all these 14 year old kids are calling me crazy because I am suggesting to return it as well. It is the sensible and mature thing to do. Like you fucking kids are going to screw up your life to steal $30,000. such a fucking joke. i know thats a lot of money for you fucking kids but in the grand scheme of things 30,000 won't get you anywhere in life. and tacking on felony conviction charges and investigation from federal authorities will bite your ass and you will be crying to Tyrone every night in jail because you didn't want to return $30,000. imagine a bank gave you $30,000 from a mistake, it's still a crime if you don't return it. i have friends who are attorneys ..don't fuck with the law

>>7590044
I thought of that except my ip. Should I just login from friends wifi or pay for vpn?

>>7590044
In your dreams.

>>7590061
and you're using a burner email? I wouldn't risk it if there's any chance they can take real world legal action against me, but would definitely take it otherwise

>>7590070
fag there is no law, its all fucking unregelated

>it's mercatox's fault
>it's bitgrail's fault
>it's kucoin's fault
>it's binance's fault

what do all these exchanges have in common?

keep it! if you would fuck up and deposit to a wrong address binance will not refund you. so why should you?

>>7590044
they can subpoena your IP address and find your ISP provider/name/address. you can't make a new account because it will automatically get flagged and locked up everytime you try to sign in.

>>7590113
they're run by morons who can't integrate XRB properly

>>7589118
Give them the 3000nano you bought.
Keep the 3000 nano you got for free.

You just got 3000 free nano!

>>7590160

>>7590142
>chink exchange
>us isp
its going to take years kek

>>7589118
>Withdrawed

Jesus christ.

>>7590083
You don’t understand do you? Enjoy your nightmare. You have no idea what’s a exchange log file. Pathetic...

>>7589118
not your fault, do not return the money, teach them a lesson

Wait lol, I got something better: tell them to send you 1500 xrb and the contract will automatically send 3000 to them

>>7590184
Go buy new servers and gtfo cz

>>7589118
move them to new address and loack yr self out, keep privatekeys under yr mattress, and tell them u dont have the coins nomore, you traded them somewhere.

>>7589118
The cheif architect of binance Colin Lemahue is performing an exit scam this is obvious sell your erc20 tokens right now

>>7589197
exactly fuck those chinks

>>7590176
Us dot binance dot com
Just think before you write. If your pathetic uneducated and medicated ass can.

just wash the nanos,
go to exchange, get btc, get monero, send to wallet, resend to other exchange and its all yours
never visit binance again, ips are deleted after 7 days and cant be traced anymore

Lawyer here

Don’t listen to the felony threats.

Ignore and dump the XRB on another exchange

Send them one nano for the lulz.

>>7589118

XRB is a fucking mess. Even Bitconnect had sound code, unlike this shitter.

>>7589736
How did he steal anything? They gave him the money with full consent and no sort of cohercion. If you forget money at someone's house and they don't give it back,it's not theft.

>>7590184
>You don’t understand do you? Enjoy your nightmare. You have no idea what’s a exchange log file. Pathetic...
>>7590083

this kid has no absolute idea what he's doing. he's asking if he should pay for vpn. dude just return the xrb. you will make a mistake somewhere while trying to cover your tracks. you came on /biz/ asking for advice whether to keep the extra xrb or return it. you are trying to convince yourself to keep it by posting on here, but you know that you can possibly get fucked over if you do and you WILL get caught. trust me on this one. all these anons are telling you to keep it because they aren't in the same situation as you and they won't care if you get convicted as a felon and have to deal with federal authorities

The fact that they have shills ITT is hilarious

>>7590307
>If you forget money at someone's house and they don't give it back,it's not theft.
It is, but who cares

>>7590254
its funny how hard you 2 are projecting so hard like the guy was in the wrong here

binance literally has no power in any court even in the chinese ones, the worst hes ever going to get is get forced to return the money after a decade in court
and that is if and only if they even lift a fucking finger

>us binance
jesus fuck how much of a clueless fuck are you
>hurrr it has us in the url it must be from the us

>>7590160
is the tax from gifted things lower than capital gain tax? if so it might make sense

>>7590184
>>7590325
What's with these Binance shills? He didn't verify his account, all they have are some IPs and some addresses, the fuck is Binance gonna do with those?`Fucking retards.

>>7590287
You don't have to be a lawyer, this is just common sense
The only ones telling him to give it back are the Binance angelcucks who get signals from the Binance staff about listings so they can prenup and dump on us. Binance angels are basically a group of cucks who defend/shill the eschange on social media
Fuck all this shit

>>7589982
>create new wallet
>send xrb to new wallet
Ew, that was hard to circumvent.

1) transfer xrb to kucoin
2) sell xrb for eth
3) put eth in etherhell deluxe
4) lambos by april

>>7590377
Binance angels dude, see >>7590378
They legally can not do shit about this
I bought req using the exploit that doubled my req back when it got listed and I just withdrew, did t have any issues at all
Fsggot CEO is a billionaire who makes like a million everyday
No sympathy for that faggot

>>7589293
not sure if you're brapposting us, but I believe you anon.

Also don't expect to use Binance anymore if you don't return the NANO. If you ever slip up and they identify you, kiss you new account goodbye.

>>7590254

OK just deposited all into kucoin...going to stay away from binance for the time being. Once my XRB are confirmed on exchange I'm dumping all for something. Will prob go eth with some qlink, req, and ven.

how did this even happen? Just withdrew twice to another wallet? and lag made it seem like the first transaction didnt happen?

>>7590447
Ive made my decision, Im not going to use Binance ever again.

>>7589118
>nano has no issues
>all these people pointing out huge technical flaws are XLM shills holding IOTA bags
>the issues nano has are soley on exchanges not knowing what they are doing
>nano's issues are not important and have already been fixed, probably
>nano is in no way responsible for double spends, it was all on bitgrail
>binance listed it, you think binance would list a shitcoin filled with bugs?
I wonder what the next cope will be...

Just give it back. Binance is a good exchange and has helped me when I've had issues.

>>7590386
>Ew, that was hard to circumvent.

the transactions are all on the public ledger. they can literally trace your xrb to every new wallet you transfer to and blacklist all of them. its not a privacy coin

>>7589208
Hahaha fuck em then unless you give a shit about your binance account

>>7589118
Send them endless brap/sniff bait pics every time they email you. Make a thread of the email chain.

>>7589118
Tell them you will keep that nano so that you can afford to pay their withdrawal fees.

>>7589197
this, fuckem

>>7590499
problem comes if these exchanges use any kind of shared customer black list. online casino/sportsbooks for example do this, where if you chargeback or fuck one over you can't get action on almost any other remotely legit place

>>7589854
>They said the same thing when the REQ incident happened
This. Now the shoe's on the other foot. No refunds. Fuck the chinks!

>>7590499
Nice
Fuck em

>>7589506
kek
Binance going to hire the Chinese mafia to hunt down OP

>>7590499
Good choice. 30k today is >$1 million EOY, since you bought REQ and LINK. Congrats mate.

>>7590511
sounds like centralized garbage tbqhwufam

>>7590502
>nano has no issues
That's a good one. Did you forget 12% of their total supply is missing, and it's not sure how much blame belongs to BitGrail vs the complacent core devs who let it happen?

>>7590614
>reading comprehension

>>7590472
>monero
to a wallet then back to another exchange (you may have just cucked yourself with kucoin as well, depending)

wait a sec if you withdrew 3k nano at once it means you have your account verificated with your name and passport
if this is the case, you should really return them otherwise you will get rekt

>>7590614
>and it's not sure how much blame belongs to BitGrail vs the complacent core devs who let it happen?
Huh? We are 100% sure it is Bomber. The devs did nothing wrong and even tried dozens of times to help him for free.

>>7590652
He didn't say he withdrew al at once

>>7590670
they were banning anyone who mentioned the bitgrails missing funds for literally months. 12% of the supply has been missing since October, and the devs didn't fucking know? Anyway you spin it, total incompetence.

sell the nano now when it dumps buy it and give it back lol

>>7590677
daily withdraw limits are 2 btc (if not verified)
even with double withdraw possible, the limit would have stopped him
OP you gonna get rekt kek

if they only had the ip and device infos you could get easily away
but with passport infos,,,,

>>7590723
>they were banning anyone who mentioned the bitgrails missing funds for literally months
Got any proof of that FUD?

>12% of the supply has been missing since October, and the devs didn't fucking know?
Again, the burden of proof is on you or you're just spouting more FUD.

>>7590516
Kek

>>7589118

Return the XRB.

What's more important $30,000 or worrying the rest of your life you could go the jail.

Stop being a manchild.

>>7590839
Who would put him in jail? And for what? Legit curious

>>7590878
No one, he's just a Binance paid shill aka "angel" (which btw sounds gay as fuck)
Fuck Binance, the paid shills and their corrupt CEO

>>7589118
if you got hacked would they pay you back? no, tell em to fuck off

>>7590790
Nah he's fine

>>7589159
Yes it's just a coincidence all 4 exchanges are so incompetent as to all have the same problem

>>7590931
THERE!!! Tell them that you will give it back ONLY if they can guarantee you this
Post reply

Charge them a 4.5% fee for withdrawing their own money from your account.

>>7590792
I'm assuming you own this shit, you should have looked in XRB threads the last two months. Oh, I bet you did and called me an XLM shill rather than listen to me. The dev's themselves admitted the funds disappeared in october lmao didn't you read the chat logs? Are you completely unaware of what's going on here or is this just cope?
https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7u2kyn/cant_trace_10_million_xrb_missing_from_bitgrail/
This guy had his post taken down days before the fiasco. they made him repost it edited because he was spreading too much """""fud"""""

>>7589197
Those same TOS say he should pay back or never be able withdraw what’s left ...so....

>>7589506
Good one

>>7590377

Without a verified account, Binance has a 2 BTC withdrawal limit.

12 hours ago, that would have been $17,000.

3000 NANO is about $30k.

It's clearly a larp unless Binance allowed two duplicate withdrawals on different days.

>>7590921
How do I become a paid shill for Binance? Serious question.

>>7591166
made him repost doesn't equal to censure tho

>>7591166
>https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7u2kyn/cant_trace_10_million_xrb_missing_from_bitgrail/
From that thread:
>I want to clarify first that this has NOTHING to do with RaiBlocks

Got anything else you'd like to show to the class that just ends up proving you wrong?

Larp, but will play along.
> oops, sold them!
> oops, lost private key
> no

>>7590999
and tell them that the daily withdrawl limit is .05BTC/day unless they go though a long and obnoxious verification process to increase the limit to .1 BTC/day

>>7590511
damn, if only there was a way to trade directly with other users...

op could demand them to solve old tickets at the request of the community for a little %

>>7591359
so he was wrong? he thought it was just a problem with bitgrail. we now know that the issues go beyond that. you can't cope much longer, guys. you can only deny reality for so long
>>7591350
did you want me to link you something that doesn't exist anymore? How can I show you a deleted post if it was deleted? go ask some hard questions on their discord and see how long you last.

>>7590561
kek
but seriously, they moved the withdrawal fee from 5 link, to 10 link, to 15 linkies! All while the price of link was increasing!! what the fuck!

>>7589233
Yeah im sure theres only one shitcoin exchange on the entire internet

>itt: what's an IP

>>7589118
This isn't your money, do the right thing and return it.

>>7589301

You have to go back.

This is hilarious how people are trying to claim op will go to jail/ or get in legal trouble if he doesnt return them.

Lol they dont have shit on you. Id say keep them just because of these pathetic shills screaming GIVE IT BACK

>>7589798

>>7592028
It’s the right thing to do. Next time you get your shit stolen from an exchange don’t come crying then. Also they can pursue legal action as $30,000 is considered a felony amount

>>7589118
where can you even sell this shitcoin?

Morality issues aside, you might have problems cashing out any money gained from this if the IRS asks for proof of how you received that large sum of money. You might be screwed if you have to explain the papertrail

it is not my fault

>>7592698
Just take the nano sell it and buy back in once it dips