/biz/ - Business & Finance

Can you spoon feed me on this please

IT'S HAPPENING.

shh kid, they aren't supposed to know yet

>>7582234
No time just sell everything, even what you have in your bank account !@#!$!!

Stop ID hopping and explain

>>7582190
wtf WE are all fucked if true.
OP can you show us any other data to confirm this?
if your not larping, thanks for posting this

Wait what the fuck does this mean? How could $60B be that important?

>>7582280
There has been a silent crash for a while now. A couple of large institutions and Deutsche in particular are in deep trouble. Now banks don't want to lend to each other anymore because they are afraid they will not get that money back. The same thing happened in 2007. Only this time it will a hundred times worse.

Also it appears to be true according to this link:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IBLACBW027NBOG

>>7582190
(((INTER)))(((BANK)))(((LOANS)))
Wew lads.

>>7582290
Yes. You see that correctly. INTERBANK LENDING CAME TO A VIRTUAL HALT, plunging from $68.034 BILLION for the week of December 27, to a terrifying level of $13.237 Billion as of January 3, 2018. That's a DROP of EIGHTY-ONE PERCENT (81%) in one week.

>>7582190
Also, for anyone interested.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbank_lending_market

>>7582190
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4144946-major-pattern-shift-occurring-bond-market
>>7582234

>>7582190
I have heard about people intentionally spreading FUD at the time of the Dot Com bubble. I thought they must have been crooks for misleading innocent people.

Now I look at this FUD during the crypto bubble and just laugh. Nobody is going to take this seriously. The FUDders are just stroking their cocks thinking they may have just played a part in crashing the market while others just laugh at his folly efforts :D

Big if true

Damn, this could actually be pretty bad...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbank_lending_market

So this happened on January 3rd? If it had huge implications, wouldn't we have heard about it by now?

>>7582337
A sharp decline in transaction volume in this market was a major contributing factor to the collapse of several financial institutions during the financial crisis of 2007.

HEY BOYS WE NEED TO BUY PARACHUTES NOW BULK BUY PARACHUTE STOCK!

Financial crashes are terribly exciting when you basically have no money to lose anyway.

Jesus fucking Christ.

>>7582308
I’ve been researching inverse ETFs recently to try and profit against the stock market crash. This graph is one I was looking at that 10xd during the 2008 financial crisis. Has anyone got an opinion on this kind of product?

It’s pretty much a fund of shorts against S&P that increases in value as the stock market goes lower

>>7582363
Ah, the famous Bitcoin chart appears again..

quick guys, buy bitcorn!

>>7582308
Same thing happened in 1907, too :^)

>>7582319
Could be financial choices being made as a result of new financial legislation?

>>7582388
>Bitcoin chart
nigger you better be trolling

>>7582190
Is this the real chart?

>>7582190
Good, I hope the while corrupt system burns and takes 90% of the population with it, which would be almost entirely city dwellers.

>>7582353
I am wondering this as well, anyone know? Did the data just get published today or something?

>>7582353
>completely oblivious to the recent capitulation of the dow
bleeeerrrrrrrrrr gurrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>7582420
>the dow
opinion discarded

true when if

>>7582420
Explain how this relates to inter bank loans.

>>7582368
I think that the real money is being on the opposite side of sovereign bonds.

The U.S. 10yr is already falling which is a canary in the coal mine for other sovereign paper.

>>7582410
>fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IBLACBW027NBOG
it's real. real bad

>>7582410
Yup.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IBLACBW027NBOG

>Banks have incredibly strong balance sheets after 2017 is the best years since the crash
>no longer need to get liquidity in the inter-bank lending market
>somehow this spells catastrophy

Yeah, ok dude

>>7582441
Correct. The recent VIX spike was just a side effect of one very very large player blowing up several weeks earlier.

>>7582475
>THINGS ARE REALLY GOOD.
You realize that things are always really good right before a crash right?
The mechanisms which trigger a crash are not decided by the buyers or sellers.

>>7582190
so if a crash is coming what should we do?
pls spoonfeed me

>>7582536
Buy kneepads

>>7582536
and guns/ammo/food

>>7582536
By my estimate they will be forced to hyperinflate by Q1 2019. So you know what to do.

>>7582536
Depends how bad the crash is.
I look at the long term movements and think we've been overdue a downturn for half a year now.

>>7582536
Selling all stocks you have, going short on the market.

Hoping institutional money goes into crypto (don't think so).

Stay low, and reduce your spending.

Is crypto even slightly a good idea at this point? I wonder if this kind of explains the current up tredn we might be seeing with BTC.

>>7582575
>Selling all stocks you have, going short on the market.

I wouldn't do that actually. Get out of bonds yes, but I think stocks will do well.

Holy shit we all done 4

Hold most of my current stocks (mostly ASX300 and SP500 with a bit in real estate)
>Get out of some underperforming shit (>inb4 buy high sell low)
>Hedge myself by shorting the market
>Just in case, also putting some money in a wheat commodity ETF

>>7582722
>just a healthy correction

Holy fucking shit, we are truly fucked

>>7582715
Meant to ask for recommendations. Do you guys think this is a good idea?

>>7582722
donal drumpf fault

But you have good survival chances. Because you're way ahead of the pack. Not one in a million of people know that this is happening right now.

>>7582190

>>7582536
Pull out of ALL of your investments that you aren't willing to lose (including crypto, if this goes full recession no one's gonna be buying fucking bitcoin when they can barely afford to eat, in fact everyone will be cashing out to pay their bills so the crypto market will be forced into an artificial second crash due to recession).

Basically, duck and cover, pull out of everything and shore yourself up against losing your job or getting fucked in some other way.

>3rd of January

Why did it take over a month for someone to notice?

So what do I do? I have 200k in an index fund trust I can't touch for another 5 years, $2000 in cash and no job.

WHAT IS HAPPENING

Guys don't worry it's just dead pixels on your monitor.

Fucking shit, this is the end. My money will mean nothing.

>>7582805
rip

Mommmmyyy stop itttt

Should I be freaking out right now? What the shit is happening

>>7582805
Take out a loan against it and buy gold.

>>7582805
> Has wealth in a trust
You're out of luck buddy. Buckle up buckaroo

>>7582747
doesn't look very healthy to me

>>7582805
looks like you're one of us now trust fund baby, I get first dibs, stick with me and keep me happy, and i'll keep you alive babe

>>7582190
could you give an explanation for low IQs?

>>7582855
What should I advise my mother to do more like. She's nearing retirement and we own our home, she has a steady job that is fairly recessionproof, and has a bunch of index funds and bonds.

Is this going to be a "things will be tight for a while and we'll have to eat less" or "buy guns and canned food" thing?

>>7582895

What's going to happen is that sovereign debt is going to fall which means that people are losing faith in nations to pay back their loans with fiat that isn't completely devalued.

QE4 is just around the corner. We just need a catalyst that we might get pretty soon.

can someone give a sub 90 iq brainlet the basic gestalt. why does this matter at all

Soo, wich one it will be this time?

There was some fag not long ago on biz, larping as some bank insider, telling that they were massively selling every asset. Then the dow happened

So biz, who do u think its going to be this time? Deutsche? JP?

HOLY FUCK THIS IS NOT REAL RIGHT

I have 80 ozt. of silver, am I going to make it?

>>7582915

So wouldnt a store of value like cryptocurrencies be somewhat of an attractive asset if countries are worried about hyperinflation?

>>7582923
>Banks don't loan to each other
>This means banks don't feel confident that the counterparty can pay them back

I was planning on placing an offer this week (500k) on a home in one of the most competitive housing markets in the country (Seattle). For fear of soon being priced out of the market entirely.

So ... perhaps I shouldn't ...

>>7582885
It depends on whether or not this triggers a big recession that ripples through all investments, bankrupts businesses and gets tons of people fired.

If that happens then yeah, you and everyone on this board with most of their money in investments is pretty fucked. If it only affects loans and trusts, then most people will be fine.

>>7582925
>2925▶
>Soo, wich one it will be this time?
XRP

>>7582945
What will happen next?

>>7582939
>That volatility
>Store of value.
LMAOing at your life boii

>>7582900
>buy guns and canned food
yes

>>7582939
I would say so, yes, and that's where I have my money. But, be aware that crypto will probably take a hit as well but the truth is no one knows the future

So how do we turn this into a profitable thing?

>>7582939
You might see deflation actually

>>7582472
>https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IBLACBW027NBOG
>>7582190

Clever to crop out useful info. This chart ends at January 3rd. Shit has not been fucked, this is FUD of the actual stock market. Nothing special OP is literally a LARP

>>7582923
Recession
Depression
Financial Ruin
Almost all investments becomes worth a fraction of what they were
Everyone loses their jobs and gets fucked in the ass

This could cause all of that to happen. That is why it matters.

>Find a meme graph
>Create FUD
Profit?

>>7582308

>>7582945
>>7582925
Its def Deutsche

Which is fucking great since it means Eurozone insolvency and crisis which means that Russia will do a chimpout in EE and since Turkey is already chimping ou tin Mediterranean sea and in Syria.

How long was it since there was war in Europe?

I guess this continent never changes

> the only one writing about this is some alt right nutjob
> http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/2052-something-very-serious-is-happening-with-banks-they-ve-almost-stopped-lending-to-each-other

not one article by a reputable news site since over 1 month

> not worried at all

>>7582925
Deutsce hasn’t had a good run recently, but they aren’t going fucking insolvent.

This thread is jewish FUD. Saged for being fake and gay

>>7582915
Yep, the sovereign debt crisis is upon us.

>>7582962
Liquidity drops hard and interest rates go up organically because banks can't push out new loans and honour their commitments to each other because no one is willing to provide that liquidity so they stay in their positions and finance daily operations through income rather than shirt-term interbank loans.

Nothing will happen you idiots. OP is just trying to spread FUD. There will NOT be a financial crash anytime soon.

>>7582340
Are you actually fucking retarded? Holy shit.

>>7582962
Money becomes worthless
Investments become worthless
America goes into a legit depression instead of a pansy-ass recession and 99 percent of people go from being decently well off to being poor as fuck.

That's the worst case scenario.

>>7582989
Not a problem. That's easily correct by the Fed printing more niggerbacks.

At least we europeans are fine

>>7582988
short everything you see

>OP samefagged half the thread with a proxy for a chart that ended 1 month ago which he conveniently cropped out

>>7583023
>>7583029
yea I'm getting sleepy time to head off to bed! *YAWN*

>>7583022
That's what they said about Lehman Bros...

>>7582962
Literally nothing.

>>7583022
You sure about that?

I have no idea honestly, so who do u think its going to be?

goldam is looking as solid as ever, dunno about UK

>>7583009
>europeans go back to their usual habis of killing each other in bulk
>meanwhile shitskins keep flooding in
>mfw

>>7582925
I know Credit Suisse was “fully hedged” agains the XIV debacle.. couldn’t be them, right?>>7583009

>>7582988
Buy the dip obviously.
Just like every crash.
Buy the shit out of that dip.

>>7583066
so (((someone))) basically liquidated CS? nice

>>7583021
This.

>>7583021

>Trusting MSM

>A sharp decline in transaction volume in this market was a major contributing factor to the collapse of several financial institutions during the financial crisis of 2007.

this is just a 4chan le happening meme right guys?

>>7582939
>store of value
You fell for the meme anon?

>They dont buy the dip
stay poor

>>7583101
yes, nothing to see here, go to sleep

>>7583027

Just bought a house here locked in at 3.75%

Did I do good?

https://apps.newyorkfed.org/markets/autorates/obfr

>>7583009
Deutsche was in a news again recently for posting losses for the year. I remember they were in the news maybe a year and a half to two years ago for their stock price falling and everyone seemed convinced they were about to go under any minute. But they somehow managed to stay afloat...

Good thing I have everything under a mattress lol

This all sounds like some shit Shlomo would say to get me to panic sell my investments so that he could buy them cheap.

stock markets crash, BTC surges higher again. wondering.

>>7583043
give us the newer chart mister smart-ass. there is none.

>>7583154
https://apps.newyorkfed.org/markets/autorates/obfr

How to I make money from this? How do i short the US economy?

>>7582796
Wrong, btc will be another way to cash out when they can't get fiat.

looking at the chart it shows the intrabank lending volume at solid levels throughout the entirety of 2008-01 through 2011-01

would intrabank loans increase in volume if the fed rate was kept low? yes, just like it has been. would the volume drop lower if the interest rates are rumored to go higher? yes as well.

im just a layman but this is what i see just using basic logic. what is the mechanism that rekts the economy when intrabank loan volume is low? you will scare 70% of people here with just a chart and "its happening" but id really like to know more OP.

>>7582441
what does this post mean spoonfeed me im a brainlet

>>7583173
invest in world economy -> buy BTC

>>7582946
You saw with 2008 it will take a while before the housing markets reacts. So if you got the patience to wait 6 months be my guest. If not then buy, with the low intrest rates your save for the next couple of years.

>>7583163
So it was just a temporary dip?

>>7583021
kek they will only report when it's to late

>>7583163
its a different thing
and there is no january 3rd dip on a chart

>>7582338
Everyone should read this article

>>7582923

1. Money not flowing between parties is about as good a sign as blood not flowing around your circulatory system.
2. A sudden stop in interbank lending is an indication banks no longer trust what's on their or each other's balance sheets - i.e. their ability to pay anything back.

Imagine everyone's been making loads of bets and the prospects of those bets are considered to be part of what other people's bets stand to make - if too many bets go wrong suddenly there's no money to cover any of bets - suddenly there's no money at all because it's all debt. In a situation where you think a lot of bets are starting to go wrong you stop making more bets.

Solution: Shit which has no counterparty risk -i.e. some cryptos and precious metals.

>>7583131
This makes it seem all is well?

>>7583009
DB is structurally deficient tho, that's nothing new. It's litteraly the only bank from non-shit EU countries that has been that ways since 2008.

>>7582722

What the fuck am i looking at

>>7583240
>https://apps.newyorkfed.org/markets/autorates/obfr
There where rumors of the whitehouse involved in stocks and bonds.

>>7582946
Prices will go down £30% over the next 3 years

>>7582308
hope all of this shit crashes and crypto become the new de facto.

>>7583267
There was a 1-day drop, what happenend that day ?

>>7583021
>Trusting Mainshill Media

>>7582388
>JP Jewgan is scared

>>7583197
>Need Food
>Food costs money
>Need money
>Have no money
>But have BTC
>Sell BTC for money, all of it while it's still worth something
>Can now buy food
>But since most people with BTC did that too, BTC is now $50 a coin
You can't buy most essentials with crypto in america, so people will trade their crypto for money en masse because they need money, causing it's value to plummet.

It's the most basic form of economics.

>>7583317
Not gonna happen.

The thing that is different from 2007 is that interbank lending was very high at the time. When the Central Banks came with their free-money-policy, that is/was how banks get money. So you can take that with a grain of salt.
What is more a concern (and probably the reason people will front run the market) is rising US rates which will put stress on bond yields, mortgages and credit. There is definitely room for more downside in stocks, they are still overvalued and the dollar will also fall.

But where will large capital holders go if they want to leave all US assets? They can't go all in gold. Emerging markets ETFs are crashing, high yield corporate debt ETFs are falling as well. Where will the money go? The economy? Well then expect hyper-inflation.

>>7582255
YOU STUPID FROG IM GONNA KILL YOU

>>7583343
>have enough fiat to survive
>put money in only thing (crypto) that is appreciating

>>7583343
>the Chinese shuts down their farms
>takes an entire year for 1 confirmation

>>7583022
t. Lehman Bros

>>7583369
What makes you think that crypto will be appreciating in a recession? A period where most people will NOT have extra money to purchase crypto, which is required for it's value to increase?

>>7582190
>>7582308
>>7582317

>banks don't want to lend to each other anymore

kek even the jews don't trust other jews any more

>>7583357
well, now I know it's going to happen.

>>7583358
in which case gold, crypto and physical commodities may be good hedges. as well as stocks that bank on global instability

>>7583407
Because crypto is a global market, you think chinks and gooks are going to stop buying crypto?

>>7582939
kek

>>7583393
feels actually fucking terrifying holding EUR. no matter how good your bank is it's not gonna matter if DB goes under, EUR will be fucked

>>7583240
Looks like it

>>7583407
crypto will be the only money anyone has faith in. it isn't a scam, unlike fiat bank-bank lending, money printing fuckery.

>>7583407
if hyperinflation happens people will eventually see crypto going up in contrast to their worthless fiat

>>7583343
Or some grocer pivots to crypto and Kills during a crash

>>7583451
>crypto a good hedge
grow up

>>7583474
yep, if DB falls so does whole Eurozone

>>7583474
felt terrifying when I held it too when I was in Eurabia. it's literally monopoly money, fiat has never felt less real than when I had paper Euros in my hand.

>>7583502
bitcoin actually for real pumped when cyprus and greece happened

I dont think it will happen during recession but its worth noting

>>7583407
the last time there was a major crash bitcoin coincidently rose form the ashes

the governments are working as hard as they can to avoid another one because they know the faith in fiat will go out the window and retard normies might actually have to pay attention to the economic reality for the first time in their lives. im doubtful there will even be a crash this year or even in the rest of this decade because if it happens it will be THE crash.

>>7583503
>implying it hasn't already fallen to feminism and "multiculturalism"

>>7583520
my dog actually got sick when greece and cyprus happened
coincidence?
lmao

>>7583503
DB would take several United Statian banks with it.

>>7583502
>crypto is not a hedge
literal idiot. it might not do well but there's nothing preventing it from gaining traction as the new fiat if the worst case scenario happens. tell me, why the fuck would people NOT start buying it when it does the same thing as govt fiat but isn't manipulated to all hell? that's literally the definition of a hedge.

>>7583532
>normies
>paying attention to economic reality for the first time
>hur i invest in internetfunnymoney
imagine being this retarded

>>7583535
give me a break anon, images u see on breibtart and pol is not reality

if crisis happens u will be begging for those times to come back

>>7583557

>>7583536
wow, you are an ignorant
>>7583553
>why the fuck would people NOT start buying it when it does the same thing as govt fiat but isn't manipulated to all hell?
lol? first day in crypto?

>>7583560
ya man... pretend those no-go zones aren't real. arabs would never attempt to impose Sharia Law!

>>7583578
jesus fucking christ, grow up

and fuck arabs btw

>>7583553
>calls me an idiot
>assumes people would buy internetfunnytokens in the "worst case scenario"
>pays his utility bills, gas and groceries with nanocurrency?
>LITERALLY the DEFINITION of a hedge
imagine being this retarded

>>7583577
whales moving money back and forth on a tiny-ass market != banks having and using the ability to print trillions of "new value" to "fix our problems"

>>7583537
>United Statian

>>7583578
>>7583578


https://theintercept.com/2018/01/10/dutch-reporters-stun-trumps-ambassador-pressing-admit-lied-no-go-zones/

lmfao, 17 year old trailer trash from south carolina trying to pretend he knows what is happening in europe.

>>7583598
I didn't say everybody would adopt crypto as the global currency, idiot. but smart money would start hedging with crypto and adoption would increase. there's nothing preventing that from happening.

>>7583598
>imagine being this retarded

>look guys i typed it again! dont you all agree with me haha

>>7583593
>grow up
>just stop wanting women not to get raped
>just stop wanting murders for Allah
>just stop wanting low IQ inbred, ugly people who hate you to stay home

your complacency in destruction for the sake of moral posturing exposes your own immaturity.

>>7583620
have u ever been to europe idiot

>>7583610
>w-we were just kidding!
there are 55 no-go Sharia Law controlled zones in Sweden alone.
I'm sure the turbo liberal ambassador has no agenda!

>>7583578
You have never been to Europe.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
You have never left America.

>>7583616
>smart money
>hedging with internetfunnymoney
>thinks HE is smartmoney
imagine being this deluded

>>7583637
>I'm ok with rape and murder and Sharia Law and cultural replacement

go build another Mosque. you have a lot of self-hating left to do, Sven.

>>7583652
great arguments sweetie

>>7583656
>if I repeat it enough times it will suddenly become reality, trust me mommy

Damn so many idiots in this thread
Can't talk about a serious issue without autists devolving in their emotional self-righteousness
Fucking brainlets

>>7583672
>only talks shit
>has no idea about anything
>y.. y.. you have no arguments
lmao

>>7583651
hey liberal fucktard, no go zones are real.

>>7583637
yes. an Arab literally grabbed my female classmate by the face and attempt to force a kiss on her. it was anything but "enriching." not that you have to be there to know what's going on.

>>7583651
nice attempt, Sven. you have a lot of work to do in cleaning up your society before it collapses entirely. Sweden will be a 3rd world country by 2030.

>people will cash out for fiat stored in banks during a huge banking crisis caused by central banks
lmao

>>7583578
>>7583620
Stop posting. You are simply making our cause seem stupid AND ruining an important thread.
His point was that a real crash would make getting beheaded seem like an improvement. You ran off on a tangent contributing nothing.
The real redpill is knowing when not to spill your spaghetti.

>>7583698
this is what american believes

sad!

>>7583681
>complacent in his own demise

>>7583682
Yeah seriously I’m here for the happenings

>>7583696
your cognitive dissonance is showing, friend

>>7583697
oh really? another burger telling me whats real and whats not in my country?

>>7583700
>stop posting
hi Schlomo Goldstein.

>>7583715
get a grip before your daughter is raped. wait, you're gay. nevermind

>>7582190
>intrabank lending at an alltime low
>FED hands out interest free loans
wow so surprising!

>>7583719
I'm going to make a new thread

>>7583738
how come you are so angry?

you dont live in europe after all, so whats the deal burger?

>>7583699
Yeah this.. more like struggling American *businesses* finally start adopting crypto just as a last resort as the economy start receding and this aides adoption

>>7583412
no it means the jews at the very top are pulling back the (((credit))).
this happens everytime before a crash

>>7583593
>>7583651
It is correct. that there are many (yet small) areas that the police don't want to enter unless they're kitted up as SWAT. When the Arab minority increase in number that will also increase
Also; two thirds of Belgians don't feel at home in their own country anymore.
You honestly believe it's just made up or something?

>looks at FRED to see if it's a LARP

Nope it's legit. Interbank lending has been dropping for a long time because of the fed. No one needs to borrow on interbank because they have surplus reserves because of QE.

But it just went to 13 billion from 70 per week last week.

I saw a lot of forced liquidations last week but I didn't think anyone but small players were going insolvent. Are things actually this bad or something weird just happening?

>>7583722
>thinks any sane person would use his internetfunnytokens as a "hedge"
>thinks he is a "smart money investor"
>you must have cognitive dissonance
lmao

>>7583762
>just be an atomized individual, Goy.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3843130/hungarian-woman-raped-9-times-by-three-migrants-germany-town-fair/

Oh look, they have sent the
> Muh Islamic narrative
Shills to derail the discussion

>>7583770
>Also; two thirds of Belgians don't feel at home in their own country anymore.
source

>>7583520
The same when Trump and Brexit happened.

Crypto money was invented for a reason, not just being speculative digits to get more fiat. Adapt people!

>>7583780
>narrative
>thousands of rapes including child grooming rings

>>7583786
t. mr. drumpf

I work for a rather large tech company and we'll be firing about 65% of the workforce on Thursday. This is one company in an umbrella, but I've heard rumors that this week will see a few other bouts of downsizing, could be related. It's all due to 'budgetary concerns'

Have my life savings in bonds, should I move them to something else? What do

>>7583802
GE is going bankrupt

>>7583773
>because they have surplus reserves because of QE.
this is not so good either honestly.

>But it just went to 13 billion from 70 per week last week.
yep, something's going on

>>7582190
>>7583317
That's the plan, I think. And they intend to blame it all on trump. See the boa murals.

>>7583502
>>7583536
>>7583598
>>7583652
>Imagine spending time on a business board and being this stupid
A hedge simply means something that is uncorrelated or inversely correlated to the thing you are trying to hedge.
So yes, crypto is a very good hedge

>>7583778
>wow! rape happens!

>>7582722
BITCONNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>7583816
stay on topic

>>7583786
Also I stand corrected the wording used is "Don't feel as much as home in Belgium as they did BEFORE the mass immigration"
And it's actually 77% not 66
http://www.cecinestpasunecrise.org/content/uploads/2017/05/Noir-Jaune-Blues-Rapport-denquete-complet-Dec-2016-.pdf

>>7583829
900% more often now.

Biz tell me how i should prepare for the incoming crash real.quick please. Should I buy precious metals? Put everything in BTC?

>>7583825
>calls this shithole a "business board"
>therefore he must be "smart money"
>crypto is a very good hedge
lmao

>>7583845
>900% more often now.
lmao

>>7583738
You can be right and still an idiot.
>I don't care if I am literally turning the uninvolved against my causeby being obnoxious. Shouting at them is my best course of action.
>Everyone who tells me I am doing it wrong must be a jew even if they are doing it to make me more effective at what I'm doing. Any criticism of my actions is a conspiracy.
>I have been in that hip new movement called the alt-right for 3 months and now I completely understand the world.
>I still go to school but I must explain the truth to fucking everybody in every thread.
Lurk moar.

>>7583848
all in chainlink

>>7582190
it's literally nothing, relax.

>>7582469
How is it bad?
What is bad about lower inter-bank loans?
They shouldn't be doing them anyway.

>>7583774
Crypto money wasn't invented for being a meme investment when the economy was doing good.
It is directly meant as an alternative when economy is going to shit.

>>7583866
https://themuslimissue.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/sweden-rape-graph-1975-2014-1378-percent-increase.jpg

j-just pretend it's a coincidence

>>7583869
DONE

>>7582564
>So you know what to do.
No.
Tell us.

>>7583881
>he really believes this
my fucking sides

>>7583888
>themuslimissue
jesus seriously, I am not goint to argue with u. U are convinced already, its a waste of time

The dinosaur economy is a sinking ship, LEAVE IT, GO TO CRYPTO, and start building a crypto economy from the ground up, starting with land, food, energy, etc. We need to build a survivalist network, and we will not use the evil monetary system that caused the crash. It's mad max cyber scifi dystopian time.

what the fuck happened to this thread. Can everyone talking about muslims kindly fucking KYS. People that matter will be effected by a economic collapse. Its a non issue even talking about political correctness. If the economy takes a giant shit political correctness goes right with it. Nobody cares about your fee fees when everyone is worried about survival.

>>7583907
I dare you to look up "rapes in sweden" yourself. go ahead. I dare you.

>>7583204
Bonds are ious.

Governments issue bonds to finance spending.

The interest-rate of a bond indicates how expensive it is.

the lower the interest rate the more expensive… The higher the less expensive.

when interest rates rise it means that the lender has less confidence in the borrower to return the money he has loaned.

US 10 year bond is now creeping around 3%… We haven't seen that for about 10 years now.

some countries are even issuing negative rate bonds which is absolutely indicative of a bubble.

>>7583914
Actually, the Weimar Republic.
So it might actually get a lot worse.
There is a fork of this thread without the shitposting btw.
>>7583835

>>7583863
You are one stupid fuck.
Anything can be used as a hedge, the only thing that matters is the correlation. Now go ahead and find me a chart that says bitcoin is correlated to e.g. the sp 500, since you are implying it is not a hedge you brainlet

>>7553414

>>7583931
You are 3 years late for this narrative

anw, why are u so concerned with europe if u are burger. Maybe it has to do with your cognitive bias and encouragement your already determined ideas? But w/e

>>7583945
thank you. Also good point...

Finally, Russia will again become the rightful master of Europe.

>>7583898
fool. here is the rothschild owned economist magazine from 1988. Note the coin

>>7583536
is your dog sick now?
don't say that he has passed on.
the dog knows

>>7583898
It is what it's made for. Whether it will live up to the task, will be found out soon enough.

>>7583957
Thisss guy

>>7583343
Delicious FUD.

Is it possible to sustain myself on FUD rather than food?

>>7582536
It only affects rich people,so..you're good

>>7583578
not here in the netherlands
only cucks are scared of foreigners but believe your alternative facts bro

>>7584098
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>7583957
so better invest in tuna cans, last time i checked, they were also uncorrelated
lmao
>>7583974
so ur thrilled to welcome ur new masters and actively push the new narrative?
lmao

i just can't no more
/biznessman

So what should I do.

Liquidate my stocks for gold or bonds?

>>7582190
Fractional banking BTFO.
Pretending you have the money works fine until someone actually wants to see it.

>>7584098
t. Mehmet

>>7582308
So the next economic recession is incoming, so would that mean the cryptocurrency market will crash since everyone will want to cash out.
Or bitcoin and alts become a safe haven for people's money like gold and shoots up the price.

We've been telling you retards this for months and nobody listens because you are all too stupid to tell the difference between a larp and real facts

>>7584116
Well several people in these threads always say to buy canned food, but it is an extremely illiquid hedge and therefore it would be stupid to use it to hedge

>>7583007
Underrated.

Also, the Twinkie ended up being in a better condition than the markets will.

>>7584254
>tries to talk like hes an adult
>convinces no one
lmao

>>7582440
If the equity of Deutsch and Morgan Stanley fall below 4% they would be insolvent. And their equity is made out of stocks, bonds and real estate. The recent plunge in Dow is the banks' CEOs selling off their stocks to transfer the wealth someplace else. Definitely not real estate.

>>7583643

read the artice. the dutch reporter even asks him if he would like to visit the no-go zones because there are none lmao. fake fucking news, believe everything you want.

>>7584254
>Illiquid
>Is at least 60% water

>>7584378
who dis

>>7584378
and surely not crypto
so wheres the money going into?
gold?

>>7584378
Again, DB is probably the shittiest major EU bank on that front, it's well-known in europe since 2008.

>>7584317
Probably older than you and I have a finance degree
But sure, continue being an arrogant no-coiner

>>7584420
kek

We are legit if this is true. Not even meming.

We are legit fucked if this is true. Not even meming.

>>7584484
>i have a finance degree
>i'm on a "business" board
>i'm smartmoney
>i only talk shit
>you don't understand my shittalk so u must be a nocoiner
lmao

>>7583343
The poorfags will cash out. They don't hold enough power to move the market. Smart money, that is capable of moving the market, will flow into BTC and shoot it up.

>>7583939
So short bonds ?

>>7582925
>So biz, who do u think its going to be this time?

BNP Paribas and Societe Generale are about to implode

t. insider from a 2big2fail

>>7584221
>Either it goes up or it goes down
Yes

>Interbank lending is down
>Trust is down
>Smart Contracts are trustees

The time is right to buy LINK.

>>7584603
this unironically

>>7584435
Undeveloped real estate

>>7584578
How's LCL ?

Please ELIB (explain like I'm a bitcoiner).

>>7582805
Doesn't matter. Just don't look at it, it will make you feel bad. You will have your money back in 10 years anyways, don't despair.

People are freaking out, you don't lose your money unless you cash out at the bottom.

Just hold, assuming it is widely spread, you will return to normal when market stabilizes in the years after.

>>7584550
Smart money leads the market, but it’s actually Large genitalia money that moves it

People don't want to get bailed in by their failing bank, surely some will keep money in crypto to stay protected

>>7584648
Call it whatever you want. Panicky normies and poorfags will have no effect on the market.

>>7584636
You know how you already don’t trust centralized financial institutions? You may be getting some more reasons lol

>>7584651
Who can be sure that it’s their own bank that’s failing?

>>7584651
>crypto
>safe heaven
>1000$ swings per day

Aren't most deposits in Canada and the US insured by the government?
I know in Canada they are.

>>7583021
Jews aren't reputable.

Who would have thought that ending a period of insanely low interest rates would bring with it a huge correction...

Damn and 2021 LIBOR will be gone.
Wat a time to be alive

>>7584635
not in a good shape either, avoid like plague if you can

>>7582564
please tell us oh great one

>>7582190
>A crash happening over something that's only 80 billion dollars

>>7582338

Read that just before opening this thread, shit's gonna hit the fan and banks know it

>>7583770
Belgium is non-country

>>7583407
Crypto is the new gold.

Serious question, precious metals or shorting?

>>7584757
I'm at LBP, safer choice here IMO. I only invest in industrial.

>>7583825
> A hedge is something you use to hedge

>>7584771
it's the jew outpost to control the programmed euro cataclysm

>>7584546
Stay poor

>>7583700
Gas yourself kike.

wrong.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-futures-rally-more-than-250-points-as-focus-turns-to-trumps-infrastructure-plan-2018-02-12

>>7584781
Yeah, and according to the retard I replied to you can't use crypto as a hedge. If you also think this then just lmao @ you

>>7584772
nah not yet
but at the time the crash comes in it will be hehehe

>>7584779
gov is still heavily invested in it so they will give it support first when SHTF, you made the good choice

>>7582190
relax faggots
https://www.mediafire.com/file/a3fu6slrdddb88u/US_Equity_Strategy_in_Pictures.pdf

>>7582763
>>7582715
depends how the ETF is structured - it could make money if wheat prices go up or if wheat producers make profits - those are likely uncorrelated because high prices mean crop failures and big producers tend to hedge against prices not going their way.

but it's at least uncorrelated to the markets, so I don't think it's a bad idea if the FRED is the most important thing.

>>7584701
My last bank failed during the 2008 crisis, I would take the risk anymore
>>7584712
>What is monero

>>7582900
Plant a garden either way.

What does it mean?
https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/bcreg20171221c.htm

>>7583969
The Whites in America have roots in Europe. They should absolutely care about their blood.

>>7584550
The poor fags already cashed out.

>>7584842
did you entertain at least once the thought that maybe, just maybe, a place where people post pictures of sniffing asses, talking about sending their money to obvious indian and chinese scams and discuss their absolute failure in life may be not the place where the "smart money investors" aggregate?

>he must be a retard
lmao
my fucking sides mate

>>7584840
Zoom out. Dow dropped 2400 and traveled 20k points up and down in one trading week. $5 trillion just disappeared from the economy and no one has any idea where it went

>>7584990
I'm a poorfag and I haven't cashed out.

>>7585026
>where it went
saudi sheikhs and russian oligarchs cashing out?

>>7583201

Low interest rates means that consumers and companies have more money in their hands, they outbid each other for stuff so prices go up, when interest rates are raised there is less money moving around and people stop outbidding each other so prices go down.

My question is how will central banks react to this, will they just allow the correction to happen or will they bring back quantitative easing or even worse, negative interest rates...

>>7583022
This. Now is the time to open an investment account with Deutsche.

Oh, and buy Lehman stock.

>>7585026
It's kinda funny when people laughed that billions in crypto vanished but 5 trillion is just insane.
Seriously though, where did it go? It didn't go into gold and nothing else really increased. Where can anyone hold money without any fear?

>>7585238
drugs, humans, assets.

>>7585026
zum in scom
>WE ARE HERE

>>7585277
Those are all perishable goods though.

>>7583412
That mean the top guys caused a crash and are now securing their positions to buy. The shit when it is cheap

>>7583021
You know why MSM generally tries to avoid telling people there's a financial crisis just around the corner?

Because then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy within a very short period of time, as normans panic.

>>7585330
that's what they want you to think

>>7585238
>Seriously though, where did it go?
offshore
black screen accounts
crypto soon enough

>>7584121
water and food, weapons, gold and cryptos

>>7582340
>t. brainlet

the absolute state of biz. Are you fucking 12?

>>7584221
every market will crash, but only in terms of fiat valuations. This is due to a tightening in liquidity.

Cryptocurrencies will continue doing what they were designed to do regardless of crash or not. the best time to own something real like gold, silver, zinc, cryptos is when no one else can afford to buy them.