/biz/ - Business & Finance

Source?

>>7437339
in the link in the email

oh fuck forgot the source. heres all the emails
https://my.mixtape.moe/dgbeaj.7z

>>7437301
I can feel the desperation from here.

>>7437301
The LINK section looks super fake. Nice try, bagholder

>>7437445
Also IBM sharing docs using Google Sheets? Ich don't think so

>>7437394
>https://my.mixtape.moe/dgbeaj.7z
not clicking that

>>7437301
Big if true.

>>7437534
stop being a bitch it's text files

second to last page right now

>>7437576
Then use pastebin.

>>7437590

>>7437534
Seems like a legit link to me

>>7437301

Legit shit.

https://lists.hyperledger.org/pipermail/hyperledger-fabric/2017-December/002510.html

Click on attachment.

>>7437613
just download the fucking zip you cretin it's over a hundred text files

>>7437394
I mean where did u get these emails from anon?

>>7437652
someone posted them on the slack

>leaks

>>7437620
good find anon, this confirms the emails are legit

this has to be a reddit invasion. actual linkers would not be shilling this. Sergey has NEVER referred to chainlink by name.
>chainlink contract
that's wrong. chainlink is the decentralized oracle for a smart contract

go back to your containment website

>>7437526
look at the comments on the document

google this guy, he's a software engineer at IBM
it's fucking legit

>>7437883
shut the fuck up you fucking retard

>>7437950
feel free to refute the claim. I have dozens of presentations and the white paper to back mine.

also one of the authors for the document is John Wagner
and one of the founders for that "ChainLink crypto fund" we found earlier was Mark Wagner
could they be related?

>>7437767

Yeah, it's legit.
But it's a public list, so it's not really "leaked".

>>7437986
Dude nice find, the pieces are coming together a bit here

>>7438013
Since it's about chainlink, does that make it a linked list?

>>7437883
>Sergey has NEVER referred to chainlink by name
This isn't Sergey mentioning chainlink its people researching it.

Doesnt say anything about them using it tho

>>7437981
he said chainlink at devcon 3 find the link yourself faggot nigger

>>7437883
You seen this?
>>7437620

I don't even know anymore. It looks like too much work to prank /biz/.

>>7438384
Doesn't matter. Their interest in it is enough to prove it is a solid project that shouldn't be ignored. Actually you know what fuck it. Go buy Mobius.

>>7438490
thats the spirit

What oracles besides chainlink are mentioned?

link to the original document before it was vandalized by mobius pajeets
https://my.mixtape.moe/cxeieg.docx

>>7438393
He said the tokens name once. That’s all these linkies have

>>7437883
>smartcontract dot com

>>7438543
these

>>7438563

Yeah I guess have the logo plastered on every slide means nothing too

>>7438338
you create a smartcontract. no one would ever refer to it as a chainlink contract, because it isn’t a thing.
>>7438393
chainlink is the oracle network stupid nigger

>>7438583
also only just realized they put LINK at the far right of this diagram as 100% trustless together with hivemind, but then went and pretty much said in the document that hivemind is inferior to LINK
they're aware.

i seriously don’t know if you people are kidding or if reddit really is all over link. it’s like your don’t even know what hyperledger is

there is ZERO reason hyperledgers internal team would call it “chainlink contract” when this is on smartcontract.com and smartcontract is the industry standard term

everyone, especially ibm, knows it’s a fucking oracle

>ChainLlnk
>Ll
you people are just autistic and fell for a pajeet

>>7437301

>>7438790
what?

>>7438905
look at the document being spammed and see it’s not typed properly?

>>7438013
Christ.
I just meant to share the damn email data so others wouldn't have to download it.

These morons calling this a leak.

I can't believe that I own the same coin (token) as them.

>>7438960
what are you trying to say

>>7438960
>Hey kids, you want a golden ticket to lamb0 land?
>No thanks,
>you mistyped "lambo"
>pajeet
>*spits*

>>7438960
Yuo're retarded.
read the emails.

>>7439133
No, you're retarded. He obviously can't read. Stop being so damn insensitive you nazi!

It’s great that IBM are aware of this.
But they say that ChainLink is not suitable where privacy is needed.
Would this apply to sensitive bank APIs? I hope not

And the guy in the From: line indeed works at IBM

https://researcher.watson.ibm.com/researcher/view.php?person=au1-dilebank

>>7438733
Nice dubs
I think there is a chance of them referring "Nodes" as "Chainlink contract".

>>7439284
>Would this apply to sensitive bank APIs? I hope not
Yupp.
You read that correctly.
However; SGX does try to resolve this shortcoming, which is why smartcontra.com/ChainLink is working with TC to get that going.

Damn, how many clues do we have already?
>Swift partnership
>klaus Schwab shilling smartcontract.com on his book
>assblaster
>hyperledger documents shilling link
>Req saying that link will provide it's oracle


Just, so many little pieces here and there, Sergey never says anything, but at the same time chainlink always seems to be on the background of huge things, if you know how to look for it.

>>7439367
>I think there is a chance of them referring "Nodes" as "Chainlink contract".
wut.
No. Not at all.
A node is != to SmartContract

>>7439284
>But they say that ChainLink is not suitable where privacy is needed.
that's referring to the fact that the contracts will be visible on the blockchain

>>7438597
>>7438733
>>7438790
>>7438960

THIS. Buy Mobius Sir

>>7438733
>>7438790
>>7438960
oh, I understand you now. you were trying to say that this is a fake document.
well, mate, you're retarded. what they're referring to as a "chainlink contract"is explained in the damn document.

>>7437301
I'm sorry sir, I'll bring your Lambo out to the front immediately

>>7439355
Everyone listed does.

>>7438733
I'm going to take the opportunity to laugh at you again. You call us reddit? You're retarded. Retard.
Sell all your link immediately and go sub to /r/cryptocurrency

>>7439385
Thanks for your reply.
I guess Sergey and the CL team already know about the shortcomings of their idea and will try to fix it.

All of these little bits and pieces. Are we really gonna make it?

>>7439414
This pic was ref. in another email

>>7439434
I thought they were referring to sensitive data that needs to be private. Not the contract itself but the data that feeds into it.

>>7439566
What? Is this what IBM thinks is funny?

I was understanding this as well. Having to send credentials for example.

>>7439566
What the fuck does that even mean. Jesus.

>yfw Enigma applies blockchain agnostic encryption to hide private data to smart contracts
>this solves the issue of LINK not hiding sensitive data

>>7439558
I'd like to believe so.

It looks like IBM is also working on a Goland implimentation of their smartcontract platform.
They were previously using js

>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:10:59 +0000 (UTC)
>Subject: [Hyperledger-composer] Composer >Tx Processors Vs GoLang Smart code
>References: <1699409539.180298.1512634259740.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
>Message-ID: <1699409539.180298.1512634259740@mail.yahoo.com>

>Hi experts
>While making a decision on dev environment to use, would it be safe to assume that the fabric composer transaction processors (.js files) can be used safely instead of the GoLang development option ?Are there any criterion to consider before choosing between these two.
>Appreciate a reply.
>Thanks?Vivek


>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

>>7437913
>pajeet
Opinion discarded

>>7439729

are you the same anon that turned up the doc? I posted this in another thread but want you/him to get this info so here it goes again:

you've had better luck than I have turning up hyperledger stuff so this might help you out. The Riddle anon gave us three locations: Singapore, Brussels, and Saint Petersburg.
Singapore was project ubin, Brussels was We.trade, but so far no one has ever turned up anything interesting about St. Petersburg. Looking through the archives to verify this I've discovered the Riddle anon was the first to ever tell anyone about we.trade and project ubin (whether these legit involve chainlink or are the result of inside information is questionable though obviously more likely he's just good at research).

The only hint he gave regarding Saint Petersburg was Karolina Marzantowicz. She works at IBM and is presenting at a bitcoin conference in saint petersburg, but no one has turned up any good documents that point to oracles in the same way project ubin and we.trade did. Maybe you will have better luck.

>>7439825
>Riddle anon

I always hear about this fag, but never saw a screencap with one of his riddles, or a thread of him. We screencaped literally every single post Assblaster made, but no one did Riddle anon? What's up with that.

>>7439825
Yes, you're correct.
I am the guy who knew that an opensource project would have a mail list, so I joined it.

I then downloaded the emails and made them easier to look through.

Anyway, I'll go ahead and start digging and looking for a ref to St. Petersburg and/or that chick.

>>7439566
i lold

>>7439912
This comic sucks.
Someone turn the blocks into chainlink cubes

>>7439912

Great work. If you find anything let us know. Feel free to post your address for a (small) LINK donation from me.

Mods don't ban him if he does.

>>7439982
I'm good, man.
Got lucky enough in life to be comfortable.
Save your money for yourself.
Don't be so willing to give it away.

>>7439729
>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

ffs EVERYTHING WRONG AT ONCE.

Look at me with my giant gay apple anal bead and now I'm a confirmed retard who uses yahoo mail.

>>7440069
>Look at me with my giant gay apple anal bead and now I'm a confirmed retard who uses yahoo mail.

My thoughts as well.
Considering that he started with, "hello, experts." confirms pajeet status
I'm hoinestly shocked he didn't ask anyone to 'do the needful'

>>7439825
>Karolina Marzantowicz
Chief Technology Officer CEE (Central & Easter Europe), IBM
previously CEE Banking Technical Leader
St. Petersburg would be her region.

Also, she was shilling blockchain for Polish public administration last year, not sure if it's related.

>>7437301
Bug of tree

>no stellar mentioned
selling 200k right now as soon as binance is back

>>7439751
haha dileban got on and is viewing the document
he cleaned the document up. wonder what's he thinking

>>7440118

"Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone"
my phone is a homosexual status symbol my email is from 1997 ad I can't find where to turn this automatic signature off.

Then again....IBM..could be they fired everyone who could count to ten and replaced them with contract bottomchad salesmen on steroids with fake tan and hair gel

>>7440320
Buy link with that money.

>>7440343
The jig is up.

>>7440343
>please for you to be not editing my document

>>7440306
Twig if glue

>>7439729

>It looks like IBM is also working on a Goland implimentation of their smartcontract platform.

Hey... LINK is finishing their golang implementation right now. I wonder what that could mean?

>>7437301
oh shit

>>7439825
GUYS, didn't Riddle Anon say something about Sberbank? THat's a Russian bank. Pretty sure he confirmed this

>>7440412
Link to Link Linking?

>>7440471
It's common knowledge. Anyone here can confirm

yes i know this is horrible but fuck you it works

grep -P "\s+[A-Z]{3,4}\s+" --only *.txt |sort|uniq|sed s/.*\://|sort|uniq|sed -e 's/^[ \t]*//;s/[ \t]*$//'|sort|uniq -c|sort -nr
9 TSC
8 IBM
5 REST
4 FLP
4 API
3 VOTE
3 TWG
3 TLS
3 SGX
3 SDK
3 HIP
3 GSL
3 FYI
3 DTCC
3 DAH
3 CII
2 TWGC
2 STL
2 PSWG
2 OBC
2 NYC
2 KEEP
2 JPM
2 IMN
2 HLP
2 EVM
2 EPID
2 EOL
2 DCO
2 CTO
2 CNCF
2 CME
2 CFF
2 BTW
2 BFT
2 ASF
1 XYZ
1 XRP
1 XRI
1 XML
1 WRT
1 WILL
1 WIF
1 WGLC
1 WASM
1 VPN
1 VERY
1 UUID
1 UTXO
1 USD
1 USA
1 URI
1 TPS
1 TOLL
1 TODO
1 THEN
1 THE
1 TEE
1 TCP
1 SWAT
1 SSO
1 SPDX
1 SEC
1 SBIR
1 RPC
1 RFC
1 PSWH
1 PST
1 PPT
1 POW
1 POS
1 POET
1 PODC
1 PKI
1 PIN
1 PII
1 PDT
1 PDF
TO BE CONTINUED BECUASE 4RHCNA IS SHIT

>>7440409
zit igloo

>>7440501
what am i looking at

>>7440343
PS the fact that he is accessing the document proves that it is legit.

>>7440553
i searched all text files for occurrence rates of 3 or 4 letter capital strings, aka crypto ticker name-thingies

but i also got shit like IBM, REST, TSC which idk what it is, API... so this fucking is uselses

i wanted to easily parse out what coins to buy and which to sell but this is useless

ChainLInk

Someone explain this tom foolery

>>7438658
Town Crier is partnered with Sergey and Microsoft's Cryplets have implemented a solution to work with LINK nodes.

>>7439825
Alright. Not going to lie. I'm now more interested in drinking beer than searching through a shit load of text files.
I did download some more though.
Here's a more inclusive list.
https://www.anonfiles.cc/file/7e7b427f0caa01b18aa02b502227e316

>>7440370
You're not wrong. At least on the support side.
They contract all that shit out, now.
>>7440553
a bash command, you pleb.
>>7440561
Anyone who says this is not legit is a moron.
I simply downloaded the fucking mailing list archive.
>>7440412
It means just that.
Did you miss part where the quote fucking said,
>...also working on...
I'm blown away that you guys found this fucking token to begin with.

>>7440594
Tractor Supply confirmed for using LINK.

>>7440501
REST superannuation?

What am I reading? Brainlet here?

>>7440639
>I'm blown away that you guys found this fucking token to begin with.
Because of autism

>>7440687
see
>>7440594

stupid faggot 4chan isn't letting me paste the second half so fuck it, you can run it in bash or cygwin for you winfags

>>7440605
IT'S NOT THE REAL CHAINLINK ISSA SCAMMM BUY MOBIUS

>>7440639
>a bash command, you pleb.
it's a fucking war crime of one though i know i want to kill myself for writing it much less sharing it but i'm tired and drunk and whatever it gave me output which if nothing else informed me that they are not talking about specific coins by the 3-4 letter trackers. if i had an input text file with teh big coins names i could check for that i guess

>>7440594
Jesus.
For someone that knows bash, you're a moron too.
Search for smart contract, smart-contract, smartcontract, chainlink, node, oracle, rory, sergey, how do I use vi and not nano,

>>7440763
those aren't directly useful, i want FUCKING COIN NAMES, NOT TECHNOLOGY

spoiler
fucking
alert

spoierl alert
EVERY SINGLE FUCKING COIN CAN INSTNATLY AND UNIVERSALLY BE TRANSPLATNED AND SENT TO 0$ BY A GIT CLONE

THAT'S RIGHT

THE CENTRALIZED JEWS CAN TAKE YOU OVER

INSTANTLY

THAT'S GHWO THE WORLD WORKS

ITS SETUP AGA INST US

THEY'RE
NOT
GOING
T9O
USE
FUCKING
MEMELINK
BECAUSE OF SMARTCONTRACT ORACLES

YOU'LL BE FUCKED OUT

If
You
are
NOT
MENTIONED
BY
NAME

YOU.
ARE.
OUT.
OF.
THE.
GAME.

>>7440811
Time to go to bed buddy

>>7440811

Can you just do it for us man? I feel your pain and am going to crack open a beer myself to drink with you and because i'm WFH tomorrow.

Search for the link related strings :)

>>7440831
No coins on the market are mentioned in any amount.

We've lost. The jews are not using the current cryptos.

>>7440853
>>7440763
Linkcucks have hit absolute desperation it seems.

>>7440811

So IBM is using LINK confirmed?

>>7440811

>>7440865

Consider the context:

These are IBM Researchers who are talking about the different technologies available.

They aren't going to be interested in the market dynamics of the tokens, they want to talk about the tech - you get that and we all get that...

But you're essentially positing that positive sentiment about a project's tech is in no way a positive sentiment toward its token's potential future value?

That seems very defeatist and honestly misguided as a supposition.

>>7440944
git clone cryptocurrency

that's all it takes

3 words run by a powerful enough jew

and your crypto is kaput

the open source retards did this to themselves

see the bsd license

apple fucked the whole world raw on that

>>7440940
They're just researching it and weighing it as a possible option.

>>7440893

Do everyone that knows you a favor. End it.

>>7440944
>That seems very defeatist
Some people can't fathom making it. He's in denial.

Okay that's it. I'm rereading the white paper and taking notes to write a summarized version for you guys. The fact IBM is looking into this is enough and I just glanced over it last time.

>>7440991
absolute desparation from link bagholders

>>7440979

He's basically saying what you all should have realized. A large company can easily implement their own solution rather than enriching a bunch of memeing autists.

fake if true

>>7440979

That is one POSSIBILITY----but majorly an ASSUMPTION that does not have anything to support it except historical comparisons, specifically ones that only support your position...

>>7441022
It's funny actually now that i reflect on it.

east coast autistic retards came up with the GPL

>makes google a FUCK TON of money via hardware and selling shit on top of it

west coast autistic retards came up with the BSD license

>make apple and microsoft a FUCK TON of money via everything


*fast forward a few decades*

it's literally going to be the same with crypto

>>7441022
lol ok

>>7440987
judging by the document LINK is their best option
the two cons they listed are fixed by an army of NEETs running nodes and intel SGX, respectively
link just has no cons at all.

>>7441070

You have a point and this is epic fud not just for link but for the entire landscape.

>bitcoin consolidates sub 5k
>whittles down and never comes back
>while alphabet, Amazon, IBM, Microsoft etc. roll out their blockchains and apps

>>7441138
i'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist autist, but fuck if i can't see this sort of thing as a distinct possibility

why would corporations use current cryptos if they can be like ripple and own most or all the supply

>>7441070
God shut the fuck up. Do you understand the ChainLink node network provides incentive for operators and is required for the project to work? ETH/BTC/Litecoin have all been copied countless times and you see those having value and their million coins being PnD scams. Shut the fuck up with your Reddit spacing and autistic screeching you stupid fucking nigger.
>>7441138
And tethering makes it possible for altcoins to be based on something other than price of BTC.

>>7441178
Why are you even on this board if you feel this way? Go buy gold instead of crypto if you're so afraid.

OH FUCK GUISE WHAT IF IBM JUST DECIDES TO MAKE THEIR OWN INTERNET THEY WON'T NEED TO USE THE REGULAR INTERNET ANYMORE FUUUUUUUUUCK!!!

thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAYhNHhxN0A

>>7441178
>why don't companies just make their own versions of Microsoft Office, or, even better, use an already free version, Libre Office?

When you understand that, you will understand why crypto will not be made by themselves.

>>7441178
why don't you grow your own food and kill your own chickens?

>>7441242
he got butthurt people didn't understand or appreciate his investigating so he decided to shill against his findings. let this be a lesson to all you dumb assholes asking stupid questions. it takes very little for an autist to turn against you.

>>7441352
if you don't understand what it means that hyperledger isn't naming coins you deserve to lose everything

>>7441326
>why don't companies just make their own versions of Microsoft Office, or, even better, use an already free version, Libre Office?
Something something jews etc

>>7441326
it doesn't cost companies billions of dollars to use microsoft office

the cost of their yearly license doesn't fluctutate by 10x or more every few months

these are all fundamental reasons why no corporation will ever buy into an existing crypto

>>7440903
This may not be your area of expertise, but do you have a price estimate for LINK by EOY?

>>7441374
THE COIN IS REQUIRED FOR NODE OPERATORS TO RECEIVE INCENTIVE FOR RUNNING THE DECENTRALIZED ORACLE NETWORK YOU STUPID FUCKING FAGGOT.

>>7441403
Just go become a nocoiner then.

I feel like LINK succeeding is a foregone conclusion at this point due to pure autism. Almost everything that attracts enough of an autistic cult following on /biz/ succeeds, except digibyte I guess.

>>7441451
fuck that i put 10k in during 2013 and cashed out 20k in 2014

why the fuck would i cash out to fiat

>>7441412
>supercomputes on every city

>>7441465
digibyte didn't have these digits

>>7441442
hey
dumb
nigger

they'll just take your code and run their own blockchain on which they own the nodes and the coins

>>7441412
I held BTC since $100
I researched Eth before testnet launch, and bought at start. I expected ~$200, I was shocked.
I bought ANS at $6 and expected $50, I was shocked.
I bought IOTA at $0.35 and expected $1.50, I was shocked.
I'm hoping this isn't the first time I've been wrong.
$20 seems reasonable, but I look forward to being shocked.

>>7441551
Hey
Autistic
Spastic
Dipshit

You don't address adoption of their new rip off network. ChainLink is open source and trustless. A private centralized oracle network using its code is self defeating in purpose. Plus, people are already writing interfaces for the testnet.

>>7441629
>muh NEETnodes matter
LMFAO

THE ONLY ADOPTION THAT MATTERS IS THE ADOPTION OF CORPORATIONS AND GOVERNMENTS

that's how the world works lil buddy

>>7441403
What are utility tokens my dude?

>>7441653
Corporations and governments can't run nodes too?

>>7441653
This nigger is desperate to keep the price low. Should have accumulated earlier like the rest of us.

>>7441693
>sure we run the world right now
>but let's bend the knee to a bunch of NEETs and cryptolibertarians and grant them control of the world economy

yeah that's really gonna happen

>>7441505

There are posts I see on /biz/ where I 100% know the person behind the posts is truly autistic. I've never felt so strongly about your posts. You are a true autist, but not in the good way.

>>7441746
got more than you pal

>>7441764

More autism? Yes, of course you do.

>>7440639

Having your period right now?

I never denied having sub 100 IQ

>>7440979
>>7441022

gosh, it's like you idiots do not realish that the value of a blockchain project stems from its users, because DECENTRALISATION.

if not for automated trust, any company would be better advised to use *SQL

>>7441653
Well, yes and no.
The benefit is that it is distributed and immaleable.
I'll give you the point on corporations using their own chains, but when it comes to off-chain data, they have to have a reliable source.
For trusted partners (big bank to big bank), this is not an issue, because they'll be around for a while.
If you're trading bonds, buying a house, or starting a business (most businesses fail), it is not in the best interst of the bank(s) to store that (temporary) data on their shared blockchain where latency and throughput are critical.
This data will most likely be stored on off-chain networks.
If a large, big (permanant/on-chain) business wants to buy a smaller (off-chain) business, then all of that off-chain data would have to be moved on-chain.
To do this, the bank(s) would need a reliable way to transmit that data. IE ChainLink.

one of the caveats to this are the private data, but this has been addressed with the TC offering.

Another example is bond payments and tracking who owns the bonds. I won't get into this, as it is a complex example, but do some research and you'll see why it's fucking amazing.
(it's also referred to multiple times in the emails)

>>7441819
>>7441826
decentralization is worthless kids

what has value
the internet or google

surprise nigger, you can't buy stock in TCP/IP
but you buy google and you're a millionaire

i love the concept of cryptos and smart apps and DAOs

believe me i really do

but i dont fucking care

i want to make money
and they will not make money if corporations and governments are going to do their own thing

>>7441734
But ChainLink has corporations looking into it already. I can realistically see IBM running nodes for staking income because they can. I'm not going to waste anymore time explaining it to your pathetic autistic ass. Go back to larping as the wolf of crypto retard nigger.

>>7441693
>>7441734
350M tokens are being distributed to presumed banking / financial services partners for them to use the network with no financial burden.

Sergey also retains 300M tokens and I don't think he's going to fuck around with distributing them.

>>7441857
the only coin IBM is in is XLM

>>7441851
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalfe%27s_law
dingus

>>7441857

Listen. If you don't realize that 5-10 years from now, virtually every crypto including bitcoin will have been replaced by mainstream adoption.. Idk what further to say

>>7441911
>>7441921
You retards, ChainLink is poised to be PART of that mainstream adoption.

>>7441851
This guy must've sold at the bottom, just ignore him.

>>7441915
that assume all network participants are of equal value you fucking giganigger

people are worthless
nodes are worthless

what matters is the people who have money

you don't have money
not even satoshi has money

only governments and corporations have money

metcalfe's law would only apply if every single person had equal net worth

just like you can't buy into good investments because you're not an accredited investor

so too
shall
you
forever
be
V E R B O T E N

from holding (((their))) coins in any relevant amount

>>7441960
At this point, I believe that the baby blue bitch is just trying to FUD and kill this post so fewer people read it.
That, and move the discussion from the topic of the emails.

>>7441911
Did you find anything good?

>>7441973
I sold at 22$. I bought at 100$
Fuck you nigger. It was a fun ride, but the writing is on the wall

The jews aren't going to let us win.

>>7442004
>I sold at 22$. I bought at 100$

>>7438583
guess which one centralized jews are gonna use

PRO
TIP
I'T STHE CENTRALIZED JEW ONES LIKE MICROSOFT

>>7441851
found the faggot jordan belfort
>kek

>>7442056
what'd you buy at anon

>>7439729

>>7442001
i told you this an hour ago. how much convincing do you need?

>>7441556

>>7442120
Buy what? I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. I was just pointing out how you bought high and sold low.

>>7442186
What? I mined bitcoin in 2011. I sold them then, and bought and held since 2013.

>>7442206
This thread is about Chainlink. The post you replied to is about Chainlink.

GHIOKYF CYSJUSBV SGTKA

HOLY FUCKIGN SHIT

YOU ARE SUCH FUCKING NEWFAGGOTS THAT YOU DID NTO EVEN CONCEIVE OF THE FACT THAT PEOPLE MINED THEIR FIRST BITCOIN INSTEAD OF BUYING THEM

FUCKIGN CHRIST I AM SO FAR AHEAD OF YOU SUBHUMANS.

That's all you're getting. You deserve no more. If i could delete my posts so you could never benefit from the immense insight that this leak provided i would

>>7442246
>YOU ARE SUCH FUCKING NEWFAGGOTS THAT YOU DID NTO EVEN CONCEIVE OF THE FACT THAT PEOPLE MINED THEIR FIRST BITCOIN INSTEAD OF BUYING THEM
What in the ever living fuck are you even on about you absolute subhuman??

>>7442246
DURR

DURRR DURRR DURRR

DURR DURRR

DURRRRRRRRRR

>>7442125
Hell yes.
Saved.

>>7442136
I'm secretly hoping for $100

Another Google Doc reference regarding js and go languages for connectors.
I'm not giving the direct links to you faggots anymore. This is a PDF copy
https://dropfile.to/hgQvpZO

>>7442246

K I L L Y O U R S E L F

Link hits $100 in June.

>>7438583
faggots forgot Mobius. lmao BTFO. MOBI is the true oracle solution

>>7442351

Thank You!

>>7440320
Wait a couple of weeks before you sell your stellar fool, February will be good to stellar and zclassic, sell after for more link, that's my plan

>>7441007
Godspeed Anon

>sergey publishes ChainLink GO
>someone actually shadowforks link and adds monero privacy to it
boy would this be funny

Riddle Anon here. This is HyperLedger Composer happening. Combine this with Project Ubin. Do you want to believe?

>>7442512
Looks like the fellas at HyperLedger were previously referring to Smart Contracts as 'Transaction Families'
I forgot the specific terminology when I saw this earlier, so I will start combing through to see if I can find more references.

Example:
> On 03 Nov 2016, at 17:55, Middleton, Dan via hyperledger-tsc <
> hyperledger-tsc at lists.hyperledger.org> wrote:
>
> I?ve written an informal piece, ?Meet Sawtooth Lake,? discussing our
> design goals.
>
> https://www.hyperledger.org/blog/2016/11/02/meet-sawtooth-lake
>
> I briefly introduce Consortium Ledgers to motivate scalable consensus
> (PoET) and safe but powerful smart contracts (Transaction Families).
>
> Following POCs across dozens of globally distributed validators, we have
> some new design elements coming to further address broad scale production
> deployments. I alluded to these but plan to describe them more fully in
> the coming weeks - perhaps verbally at one of our TSC sessions.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan Middleton
> Intel New Technology Group

>>7442824
not even a good larp

>>7442860
He may not be Riddle Anon, but he's not wrong about some serious correlations between the two.

Project Ubin and Composer have quite a lot in common.

>>7442824
He returns

>>7442824
Whats your link eoy price prediction? Ty

>>7442719
Again, self defeating. If you can't understand why monero and chainlink serve to very different purposes you're a retard.

>>7442904
See
>>7442898
pic related

>>7442912
>ibm complains about security/privacy
>why would link want the transfer of data to be private
linkies, everyone

>>7442850
Moar:
Part 1/2
*Transaction Families == Smart Contracts

Q: Going to make a formal proposal?
-

Patrick -- hoping people go study, do tutorial, give us feedback.
Then we come back in a week with further proposal of what we?d like to do.
-

Q: Is it possible to use SGX with this code?
-

SGX is on some processors, but not all. We?ve created a PoET
simulator. Simulates it running inside SGX, but not actually running
inside SGX. So, it is not secure implementation -- only
simulating trusted
execution environment. Working on plans now for final
implementation using
a trusted environment.
-

DM: Algorithm there is algorithm that would run inside of trusted
environment. Important aspects is brings consensus back to 1 CPU 1 vote.
-

There is a slack channel in documentation -- would love to get
feedback.
-

Q: Is there a whitepaper or something on this?
-

Patrick: No. But, introduction in documentation is what is
available.
-

>>7443011
Enclave

>>7443011
Please be pretending to be retarded.

>>7443011
I'll lay it out for you since you're braindead.
Trusted hardware makes sensitive data in contracts secure. ChainLink is by no means meant to be an anonymous currency like Monero is, however.

>>7443047
Your efforts are appreciated

>>7443047
Moar:
Part 2/2

Q: How does validation work? Is there an execution engine or scripting engine?
PH: Blocks are made up of transaction identifiers (hashes of transactions)? transactions are distributed through gossip network.
Q: Transaction family is part of distributed ledger?
It is running on each node. The validators is a composition of business logic which is abstracted from consensus mechanism,
the selections of the consensus and peer protocols.
Q: Business use cases? Have you implement like IoT for example? Or other business cases?
Mic: a couple -- used endpoint registry (IoT)... also participated in R3 projects, financial services uses cases. Have tested consensus mechanism with up to 1000 participating validators. 2,000 was highest it was pushed (on VMs).
Q: What language support for smart contract development?
PH: validator and code is Python.
Q: Transaction families support Turing complete language? Or is it more deterministic?
DM: Author transaction family that has whatever orthogonality you want. Could be fully Turing complete. Attach an Ethereum-style execution model as a transaction family. Example transaction families written have restricted verbiage to them right now.
Q: Privacy achieved in executing through SGX environment?
DM: Anticipate doing some unique things in SGX enclaves to support privacy in transaction models.
DV: So wouldn?t be able to implement with current code base?
DM: There isn?t a private facility within this code. Transactions are fairly open. But, nothing restricts you from layering privacy model into it.
Mic: in this release, does not provide some of the fundamental capabilities of doing peer to peer private transactions at this point.
Q: 1 vote / 1 CPU -- how is permission identified?
Mic: All of validators register themselves. That can be used as point of restriction for identity access. SGX signing allows us to identify the fact two certificates originated from the same location.

This is fucking BIG...Assblaster get the fuck in here

hey guys
this is already
PRICED IN

>>7443293
I fear he is gone forever anon

>>7443172
Is this all good, bad or neutral?

t. sub 100 IQ

>>7443455
its very bad. LINK BTFO. Buy Mobius

>>7443455
It shows there is potential competition but LINK is superior. IBM researching LINK is always good. There are so many clues that LINK is going to be huge. The fact it hasn't gone up to $3 is crazy. When Link pops it will 5x in a day.

>>7443455
Good. Basically means they're making it secure enough for bank transactions.
>>7443489
Hello sirs pls buy Mobius sir very good coin sir.

>>7443104
I'll lay you out for it. You'll be braindead. You are sensitive and shouldn't be trusted with data, my hardware has a contract to make you not secure. ChainLink is by no means meant to be anonymous like your shallow grave, however.

>>7443172
And even Moar
Part 1/X

I will participate if the call is on. I've been away many Fridays in a row
and haven't been able to call in.

>On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Bowman, Mic <mic.bowman at intel.com> wrote:

> Just wanted to check on availability for the Friday 12/22 privacy &
> confidentiality call. I believe Vipin is on vacation (which means that we
> won?t have the updates to the supply chain usage). As an alternative? I
> would be happy to walk through the new work we are doing on ?private data
> objects? (a privacy preserving smart contract technology that uses SGX for
> contract confidentiality).
> --mic

>>7443794
Moar 2/X
https://dropfile.to/u6mTNYF

>>7443715
>ChainLink is by no means meant to be anonymous like your shallow grave, however.
gotem

>>7442001
>the emails
this is like t he election all over again

>>7443794
Vipin Rathi
Co-Organizer
Location:
Delhi
Hometown: Delhi

Member since:
July 8, 2017

hyperledger

>>7443715
Are you upset?

>>7443947
I like to move words around in peoples' posts, sometimes substitute words. I find it more amusing than I should. I hold 20k LINK.

>>7443886
Moar 3/X
1/2

If you have the download, look in:
Fabric > 2017-August
Search for 'oracle'
I'm limited on characters, so bull with me.

In my opinion, call outs from chaincode create brittle smart contracts that
will not work well under most, if not all, circumstances. There are a
number of reasons:

-- asking an external system for an answer will ask once for every
endorser, which means that you are no longer passively using the external
system and now must ensure that the external system understands that it is
collaborating with a smart contract

-- if there is any flakiness in the system then you will get seemingly
random transaction failures that have nothing to do with the chaincode
rejecting a transaction on legitimate grounds

These are enough of a problem for me to much prefer solutions that frankly
make more sense to me anyway. So I consider your go to solution to be the
only solution.

Example of how I would do something like this (we should handle the
potential requirement for multiple approvals and of course expiry time
outs). The overall transaction is actually multiple chaincode transactions,
one for every stage in the flow (as you pointed out):

1) Transaction issued by originator -- chaincode performs part 1, which
completes when the transaction is staged at the "request for approvals"
point
2) Approvers receive emitted events noting the request
3) Approvers each go off and perform the approval (external app or human)
4) Chaincode knows how many approvals it is waiting for as pending approval
count, so it sets the pending approvals value and then exits ...

Waiting loop (where the chaincode has exited and is waiting to be
stimulated by approval transactions or timer events until failed or
completed):
...

>>7444266
2/2
...

5.1) Approval transaction arrives, chaincode validates and stores signature
and decrements pending approval count
6.1) If approval fails, then overall transaction fails and asset approval
is marked as failed by error, with emitted events broadcasted to all
listeners including original requestor, else
7.1) If pending approval count reaches zero then chaincode exits this
theoretical waiting mode (continue after exit point below)
8.1) Else chaincode continues at Waiting loop, which means that it exits
with no finality to the overall transaction (still waiting)

or

5.2) Timer event arrives from CRON job or equivalent
6.2) Timer counter is decremented
7.2) If approvals timeout has expired, then transaction is marked failed by
timeout and chaincode exits in state completed with events emitted to all
listeners including original requestor
8.3) Else go to waiting loop

Waiting loop exit point:

9) Chaincode completes whatever actions are required upon final approval,
which will include marking the asset that tracks the approval as approved
10) Completed approved event is emitted to all listeners

This multi-stage transaction seems complex, but in fact should be reliable
and deterministic. There are no points at which execution can randomly
fail, because each of these transactions goes through the bog-standard
process of endorsement and so on. The need for a timer does complexify
things a bit, but these are just simple transactions on their own, and so
everything proceeds deterministically on all endorsers and committers.

I find it hard to imagine an elegant solution that uses call outs to
perform actual work. Even just querying an external system is perilous,
requiring multiple endorsers to ensure that there is enough consensus on
the incoming data to proceed safely.

Kim
Kim Letkeman
Senior Technical Staff Member, IBM
Watson IoT
IoT Blockchain

what do all these emails mean?
are we headed to Andromeda?

>>7444289
Moar 3/X

Kim,

thanks for the detailed answer. In the meantime, I did some further
research and my current impression is that the developments that are
happening in the Ethereum world under the "oracle" name actually also
follow the "process" pattern. On the other hand, what Microsoft is doing
with "cryptlets" (
https://github.com/Azure/azure-blockchain-projects/blob/master/bletchley/CryptletsDeepDive.md
) seems to be interesting, but I don't fully understand that in its
entirety yet...

Anyhow, it's good to know that at least my initial hunch of "injecting"
external knowledge with transactions having this purpose is right.
Regarding time-dependent behavior: I would love to see something more
elegant than someone generating clock signal transactions / bank
monitoring outstanding processes and enforcing timeouts / realizing "this
is already timed-out" during transaction simulation. E.g. the network
(channel?) could do logical/real clock synchronization and on that,
time-triggered transactions could be possible... But I realize this can
lead to all sorts of problems and would be a nontrivial extension. What
you wrote simply works :)

Thanks, best regards
Imre

>>7444320
Read my most recent posts.
>>7444266
>>7444289
>>7444337

In short; It looks like it.

>>7444217
mad links.

>>7444217
Same here. Next year will be great

>>7444468
Johnny? ;)

Doing god's work

>>7444578
Not Jonny, but I am on Slack.

I get confused with that guy frequently.

Anyway...

Hi Dileban,

Could you please explain , how the proposed gateway in the document will
be different from an external service which is a rest API client of a
smart contract which will feed data to the smart contract .

regards
mahesh


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 6:16 AM, Dileban Karunamoorthy <dilebank at au1.ibm.com
> wrote:

>
> Given a lot of us might have been on leave I'm giving this post a little
> nudge to see if there's any thoughts / comments on building a general
> framework and service to simplify the creation and management of oracles.
>
> On the other hand, I might publish the contents of the document on
> developerWorks and possibly prototype a simple implementation until there's
> further interest.
>
> Cheers
>
> Dileban

>the timeline.. it keeps getting... danker

>>7444266
>>7444289
>>7444337
>>7444661
tfw too much of a brainlet to understand this

>>7444661
>Could you please explain , how the proposed gateway in the document will

"Proposed gateway", could that be LINK?

>>7444772
Stepped away from desktop, but I'm the sauce.
It means they don't know how to oracle, and ChainLink does.

Is Link $5 yet?

>>7441138
>IBM rolls out LINK clone
>yeah we own all the nodes but it's basically the same thing
>this makes sense in the mind of the noLINKer

>>7444818
That D guy is talking about building their own, but he doesn't know how to make sure the data is legit from an off-chain source.

THIS is why the LINK devs moved to private Go repo.
So people don't use it before they've launched and have data streams

>>7444897
Yes. Another reason why they area also quite as fuck. This is a literal gold mine and Chainlink cannot show their cards too early. So much more will come out with the simplified main net including partnerships and update on roadmap. This quarter should be amazing for link

>>7443011
Let me guess
You unironically think LINK is going to be used as a currency for trading goods

>>7444897
>>7444976
This. I don't understand why retards think the Go work should be publicized just for us

>>7444841
That much I understand. Interesting, though, the original document was created on the 14th of December. By now we can assume they've ruled out their possibilities and decided on one of them.
Is there really no info in the emails on that?

>>7444897
Could they ever migrate off the CL network? Or is this a first-winner takes all type scenario?

>>7445047
Some of the others are all or nothing but Chainlink is flexible where it can utilize any distributed ledger tech plus decentralized vs some others that are centralized.

Overall LINK appears to be the best, but I would assume there will be a few oracle options soon.

>>7445040
I'll take another look when I'm back at my desk, but I didn't see anything when I looked last time.

>>7445047
Anything is possible. The real question is who has the best solution.
In that Google doc, you'll see that they've weighed the pros and cons of the Oracle services they gave a fuck about. LINK did well in their eyes. Their only real gripe is negated by SGX.

The occultist thread with spiritual memes, technological singularity, timewave zero, accelerationism and after that significant e-mails mentioning CL leaked. This is synchronicity right here. Memes are the smallest unit of ideas, ideas are made of memes, reality is cultivated from ideas. Screencap this please.

>>7445040
Hey, bud.
Sorry for delay.

It looks like the D guy may have attached a file that isn't showing in my current email download. Let me see if I can download MIME

In the meantime,...
https://media.readthedocs.org/pdf/hyperledger-fabric/v0.6/hyperledger-fabric.pdf
Search for 'external'. You'll smile if you know what you invested in.

This thread's making me horny

>>7445676
Yupp.

It was removed from my downloads, but I found the sauce.
Let me format it all real quick, and I'll provide direct link, download, and text.
Cheers!

>>7445676
you mean this?
>Asset to cash - Integration with off-chain payment systems is necessary so that issuers can make payments to
and receive payments from investors.
>Reference Rate - Some types of assets (such as floating rate notes) may have attributes linked to external data
(such as reference rate), and such information must be fed into the ledger network.
>Asset Timer - Many types of financial assets have predefined life spans and are required to make periodic
payments to their owners, so a timer is required to automate the operation management of these assets.
>Asset Auditor - Asset transactions must be made auditable to third parties. For example, regulators may want to
audit transactions and movements of assets to measure market risks.

sounds like smart contracts would fit the bill here pretty damn well

>>7445676

You are my new favorite /biz/ poster. I hope you post every night! Thanks for the research and sharing.

Im rubbing my nipples

>>7445904
My next post will have trips so you can validate.

>>7445900
That's not waht I was talking about specifically.
The emails scrub some shit if its not what it wants, so I have to sift through references to these links
https://lists.hyperledger.org/pipermail/hyperledger-fabric/attachments/20180111/

You're 100% correct, though.
They're very much trying to figure this shit out, and it's glorious.
Granted, they're looking at functionality that LINK isn't as far as I am aware.

>>7446222
Mfw when he already got trips

>>7446222
holy fuck how in the shit
can I at least have dubs?

>>7446222
>next post
What the fuck???

>>7446222
https://dropfile.to/JMyXL2F

>>7446283
>>7446289
Shit, Got lucky too soon.
Kek be with us.

>>7446411
Checked. Should I all in link rn?

>>7446411
Shit, I'll take the dubs.

Here's a good snip from the text file:
(I formatted it nicely for you fuckers)

>If I understand your response, you consider an oracle service a better
decentralized solution than the fabric's decentralized chaincode, which
runs on a channel that may appear on any number of global peer nodes. The
latter maintains, by definition, an identical view of the current state of
its assets on all involved nodes. I cannot say that I agree with your
assertion.

>The endorsement mechanism in Fabric v1 is configurable in such a way as to
ensure that a majority of endorser nodes agree as to the final transaction
results, and so we have a system that is specifically designed to come to
an agreement on inputs and outputs regardless of their sources. Adding yet
another service inside the fabric makes no sense, since there are better
ways of injection the external data.

>While I don't doubt the possible value of maintaining an oracle service in
the system or application domain that is tasked with maintaining a
versioned and synchronized view of all required external data, that does
not make such a service more useful inside the fabric.

>To me, it is better for the endorsers to receive the same view of said
external data passed in-band in the transaction than it is for the
endorsers to individually reach out to the oracle service during
simulation, which opens the process up to any number of nondeterministic
behaviors.

>These are my opinions and your mileage may of course vary.

>Kim

>>7446475

More:

Hi kim,
Although I don't understand totally determinism problem you mentioned, certainly, I know determinism problem is important. Anyway, I think oracle solution is a must for chain code applications. Because we usually come across similar issues: our chaincode needs to access external third-party data source, we have a better decentrallized solution, that's why smart contract cannot be used better to solve practical problems.

>>7446461
I am, all or nothing for me

where did you people find this stuff?

>>7446512

I recommend you download the link I gave.
Some good shit in here.
>>7446411
(It's just a text file. Scan the bitch if you don't trust me)

Dileban,

I poked around a bit on the Ethereum blog, where Oracles help them deal
with the issue of trying to execute external accesses on every node in the
network, among a few other use cases. It seems to me that Fabric does not
suffer the issues that Ethereum suffers and that its architecture already
has an oracle-like concept built in.

That being the ability to limit the number of nodes involved up front (a
channel on a limited set of peers) and / or the ability to customize the
number of nodes that actually execute the contract (as in a limited set of
endorsers that calculate the final read / write set so that the application
can choose to accept the "votes"). This sounds pretty similar to the
oracles concept and so I see little value in developing an external
infrastructure that tries to mimic these behaviors.

That said ... there is the issue of direct access to external resources
from chaincode. You will want to pay attention to determinism in the result
sets. For example, the external data cannot be volatile because that would
potentially cause each endorser (or oracle) to see a different state and
thus render the results of all endorsements differently. This leads to
anger and anger leads to the dark side. I mean, this leads to the inability
to get transactions successfully endorsed. Placing network access in the
execution path of a transaction also creates determinism risks, so that has
to be carefully architected as well. But if you have a sufficient number of
endorsers (acting effectively as oracles unless I am missing something
important) then you can safely access static external data.

Note, though, that you can also consider having the application that is
sending the transaction access the static data and pass it in band to all
the endorsers, thus eliminating the determinism problem up front.

Kim

>>7437913
I'm missing something here, I can't see any comments....

>>7446629
Not everyone needs to trust that oracle, it only matters to the parties
involved in the same smart contract. When it comes to bringing data
from off-chain to on-chain (such as weather data), trust can not be
algorithmic or system-created. An oracle can publish bad data and
there's nothing a blockchain can do to detect it or stop it. So you
could hardwire the choice of oracles into the network by making it like
the ordering service (ordering service must be agreed upon by all nodes,
because it doesn't work if some nodes can choose arbitrarily which
ordering service they could use, though private channels can specify
their own orderers) but that would enforce that choice of oracle
top-down. Or you could allow the applications/chaincode to choose their
agreed upon oracle for that specific application based on
application-specific needs. You and I may agree to use the weather data
oracle "weather.com" for our insurance agreement, whereas two other
parties could trust weather data oracle "NOAA" instead, and two others
might trust "Thompson-Reuters" for a value of a certain company stock at
the close of a certain business day, all on the same ledger. This is
because they have different applications, and even for the same kind of
application different reasons to select different oracles, perhaps based
on country of origin or some pre-existing business relationship.

[If I understand things right, I'm happy to be corrected]

Brian

>>7446475
Isn't this post a little bearish with regards to CL?

At least one person on their team doesn't want to involve external oracle providers

t. 10k LINKER

>>7446724

Kim is a hater.

Andrew,

I think you'll have to be more forthcoming on the requirements for the
services you propose. For example, as I mentioned in my response, a number
of the issues that Ethereum appears to use oracles to solve do not exist in
a Hyperledger fabric. So what would you propose as the purpose for an
oracles service?

And regarding events, chaincode already emits zero to many events at the
end of each transaction. An application can listen for those and trigger
any action(s). So that leads again to the question of requirements on a new
event trigger service. And if the chaincode is specifically designed to
trigger an explicit action based on a rule or some condition, then the
chaincode can emit an event that explicitly triggers the required action in
one or more listening applications.

So since fabric and chaincode already appear to perform both services, and
since their results are already subjected to consensus and stored in
blocks, I am searching for a reason for these new services to exist. Can
you please clarify?

Thanks,

Kim

>>7446777

You're correct.
Sorta.

They do not find it necessary to provide their customers with a decentralized oracle service.
Their potential customers are asking for a decentralized oracle service.
Their potential customers want LINK, and they don't know it.

Hi kim,
Although I don't understand totally determinism problem you mentioned, certainly, I know determinism problem is important. Anyway, I think oracle solution is a must for chain code applications. Because we usually come across similar issues: our chaincode needs to access external third-party data source, we have a better decentrallized solution, that's why smart contract cannot be used better to solve practical problems.

-Andrew

Kim's reply is next

>>7446825

If I understand your response, you consider an oracle service a better
decentralized solution than the fabric's decentralized chaincode, which
runs on a channel that may appear on any number of global peer nodes. The
latter maintains, by definition, an identical view of the current state of
its assets on all involved nodes. I cannot say that I agree with your
assertion.

The endorsement mechanism in Fabric v1 is configurable in such a way as to
ensure that a majority of endorser nodes agree as to the final transaction
results, and so we have a system that is specifically designed to come to
an agreement on inputs and outputs regardless of their sources. Adding yet
another service inside the fabric makes no sense, since there are better
ways of injection the external data.

While I don't doubt the possible value of maintaining an oracle service in
the system or application domain that is tasked with maintaining a
versioned and synchronized view of all required external data, that does
not make such a service more useful inside the fabric.

To me, it is better for the endorsers to receive the same view of said
external data passed in-band in the transaction than it is for the
endorsers to individually reach out to the oracle service during
simulation, which opens the process up to any number of nondeterministic
behaviors.

These are my opinions and your mileage may of course vary.

Kim

======

To be honest, I also have the same confusion about this solution.I wonder the key difference between this gateway service document mentioned and traditional external third-part REST service.


======

Could you tell me this gateway service is independent from Fabric network? I mean whether gateway service can be used cross different blockchain platforms,or only be used for hyperledger fabric? Thanks in advance.

>>7446825
>Their potential customers want LINK, and they don't know it.

Thank Goodness. We need to hook Rory up with these people

>>7446893
The emails are publicly available, I didn't do anything impressive. I just drank a 6 pack and read some text.
If their team had half a brain, they'd already be in these mail groups and contacting these individuals.

Unless this regains traction or I find something more interesting, I'll probably be lurking for the night.
Y'all have a good one.

>>7447007
You too anon!

>>7447007
thank you this is top autism and what I think 4chan represents at its core

>>7447007
Once again, thanks for your hard work

>>7447007
thank you so much. im digging myself to see if i can find anything new here

>>7446844
Hold up.
This is bad.

The bottom replies are in response to Kim.
I think maybe they know what LINK is and are fishing for a confirmation.

Fuck.
...Or I'm drunk. Doesn't matter anyway, Binance is down.

This is in response to the last question in >>7446844

Mahesh, the broader goal of the gateway is to act as a bridge between a Fabric network and the external world. Sourcing data is one of the ways in which it can help.

In relation to sourcing data, the gateway will simplify the orchestration: authentication, deduplicate calls from chaincode running on multiple calls, manage call outs to external APIs through declarative inputs for cases that are simple (e.g. specifying the field in a JSON response from a remote API), allow programmers to deploy more complex oracles if needed.

Beyond sourcing data, the gateway can also monitor the external world for events that could be reflected on the ledger for subsequent use by contracts, invoke contracts at a specified time, or actuate any external processes based on certain conditions (e.g. triggering the shipment of goods when a transaction between two parties is deemed complete).

By running such a bridging service in a domain trusted by all participants in the network (e.g. the same trust domain as the ordering service) the network doesn't have to rely on any one party performing any of the above on behalf of the whole network.

-Dileban

>>7447007
Thank you anon!

>>7447220
Thats... bad, Anon? Sounds pretty good to me.

>>7447220
This doesn't sound bad.. But I'm a brainlet, so you probably understand this better than me.

Someone help clarify for me, it sounds like they're talking about using a feature of hyperledger called 'chaincode' as a way to get external data onto the blockchain. This is what LINK is supposed to do, but it sounds like they're set on the hyperledger solution by discussing it at length.

>>7447220
Did Kim respond?

>>7447351
Also, doesn't this directly compete with LINK?
>https://github.com/Azure/azure-blockchain-projects/blob/master/bletchley/CryptletsDeepDive.md

>>7447301
Dileban is talking about Chaincode, which is their in-house 'smart contract' offering.

It doesn't support cross-chain.
It is a 'smart contract' (they use quotes on it regularly http://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/release/chaincode4ade.html#what-is-chaincode)) for their HyperLedger platform.

It remains on-chain, so it is not a direct copetitor to ChainLink.
However; because IBM is shilling the fuck out of this, it leads me to believe that they're pushing their corporate customers to integrate *fully* with their offering(s) -- I mean, it IS fucking IBM, and they fucking suck -- rather than embracing a distributed solution.

IIRC, LINK is compatable with HyperLedger, as it is essentially just a fork of Eth (again, fuck IBM) that apparently doesn't want to cooperate with smartcontract.com.

That, OR smartcontract.com and they are under and NDA, OR smartcontract.com is working with them in this offering, OR ChainLinks purpoted Go implimentation is waiting on IBM's release to let them use it without any dev cost...

>>7447437
yes and no.

It's not as decentralized as LINK is.
Also; apparently the fucking whizkids at IBM can't understand MS' Cryptlet offering.

>>7437301
I summed this all up in to one post for everyone. Feel free to copypasta.

Evidence IBM is considering Chainlink:
Link to an email on Hyperledger Fabric's mailing list (Hyperledger is open source btw, hence the public mailing list). Hyperledger Fabric is IBM's blockchain.
https://lists.hyperledger.org/piperm...er/002510.html

In there you will see a scrubbed email attachment. If you click it to view the HTML, you'll see a URL for a Google doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...uu3WC4Kg/edit#
This doc outlines the oracles that IBM is considering, one being Chainlink.

Dileban Karunamoorthy is the person who sent this and is a software engineer at IBM focusing on distributed computing.
The email in the list matches his official profile:
https://researcher.watson.ibm.com/re...n=au1-dilebank

Chainlink and Hivemind are ranked best in the trust chart in Appendix A but Hivemind is an unlikely candidate due to it being tied to Bitcoin where as Chainlink is entirely blockchain agnostic.
Trustless is better than trusted FYI, the point of blockchain is to operate with zero-trust. Chainlink also has the most pros with a tie for 3 now and the lead with 4 once they go open source this quarter (open source was a pro for Town Crier but not Chainlink)

>>7447608
Shit, had to fix the links...

Evidence IBM is considering Chainlink:
Link to an email on Hyperledger Fabric's mailing list (Hyperledger is open source btw, hence the public mailing list). Hyperledger Fabric is IBM's blockchain.
https://lists.hyperledger.org/pipermail/hyperledger-fabric/2017-December/002510.html
In there you will see a scrubbed email attachment. If you click it to view the HTML, you'll see a URL for a Google doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HeCbaXrhBIbXR-c7b17OTHh0pQiVyfHG0aKuu3WC4Kg/edit#
This doc outlines the oracles that IBM is considering, one being Chainlink.

Dileban Karunamoorthy is the person who sent this and is a software engineer at IBM focusing on distributed computing.
The email in the list matches his official profile:
https://researcher.watson.ibm.com/researcher/view.php?person=au1-dilebank

Chainlink and Hivemind are ranked best in the trust chart in Appendix A but Hivemind is an unlikely candidate due to it being tied to Bitcoin where as Chainlink is entirely blockchain agnostic.
Trustless is better than trusted FYI, the point of blockchain is to operate with zero-trust. Chainlink also has the most pros with a tie for 3 now and the lead with 4 once they go open source this quarter (open source was a pro for Town Crier but not Chainlink)

>>7447572
I looked at the MS cryptlet thing again; i had posted when i initially saw the oracle vs cryptlet thing. A lot of the comparison is one oracle (that you make yourself) vs. cryptlets, not a distributed network of oracles. LINK is pretty similar except not Microsoft from what I skimmed after midnight on a weekday (lol).

>>7447541
Yep, that's what I picked up on it too. It sounds like they're discussing 'chaincode'. Yeah, LINK fits their problems, but they're discussing chaincode in each of these posts which means they're likely not considering LINK even though it will provide the service for them.

It is useful to see IBM engineers discussing oracle services in general though. It's good for perspective on the area. Bad to see that people are developing their own oracle networks, however. Part of what I liked about LINK was that it had no immediate competitors.

>>7447541
Riddle Anon shilled Hyperleger before, and these e-mails are from two months ago. He might know something we don't

>>7447608
>>7447652
Thanks buddy.

You're the real hero here.
(not sarcasm; seriously, thank you)

>>7447683
No prob, anything I can do to help fellow linkies

>>7447718
And make sure you all download the doc in case there are edits or it's removed.
I doubt it will be removed since the point was to get public feedback from the open source community but yeah, just in case.

>>7447718
Yeah, so I had a slow day at work today and wondered if HyperLedger had a mailing list.

Shocking. kek.

This is mixed news for CL. Link probably isn't going to super moon with so much uncertainty in the field. Hoping for over two bucks so I can atleast get something out of ironhanding these adamantium bags

>>7447750
Oh, yeah. I have quite a bit of shit downloaded.

Here's the most recent upload (PDF files included)

https://dropfile.to/R1G36Yd
(link good for 24hrs)

Can't believe you guys doubt Riddle Anon. He's tipped us to novel leads no one else knew about.

LINK-Hyperledger is happening.

Sometimes I think he is my own personal Oracle

>>7447922
check em

>>7447922
HYPERLEDGER TRINITY
REQ LINK XLM

>>7447922

There is really nothing in these emails so far that even remotely suggests hyperledger is considering a concrete partnership with link.. They will go inhouse or with a more established company before picking up some fledgling crypto with a CEO who is a philosophy grad

>>7447971
low energy pajeet brand street diarrhea.

>>7447971
nah senpai

>>7447814
>>7447971
sadly this. Maybe it will change with the release and some advertising

>>7447922
Riddle Anon, accept these dubs as an offering.

Any more info?

So I sent this info to a friend and he was like wtf is Town Crier so I sent him this link and explained their tie to Chainlink through Ari Juels.

http://hackingdistributed.com/2017/06/15/town-crier/

Check this shit out from that link:
>We want to thank Intel for their close collaboration, particularly Mic Bowman and Kelly Olsen for their support and advice, Sergey Nazarov at SmartContract for supporting our alpha launch, and the Ethereum Foundation, especially Vitalik Buterin, Alex Van de Sande, and Vlad Zamfir, for their input on TC during early development.

Holy shit, I knew Chainlink was well connected in the industry but I didn't realize to the point that Sergey worked with Vitalik and Intel on Town Crier. Fuck, how deep does the rabbit hole go?

>>7447971
>Undeniable evidence of an IBM software engineer investigating Chainlink
>doesn't remotely suggest a partnership

Weak FUD, 2/10

>>7447971
I really don't understand the point of fudding in info dump threads like this. Do you really think your piss poor post is going to make a difference?

>>7447971
>>7448095

We have a guy, who has shown us paths and leads no one else knew about, calling a Hyperledger-LINK partnership and telling us to go looking. He even confirms when we solve his riddles.

Now, I agree, there is no evidence in these e-mails. Some of it even looks bad. But these e-mails are from MONTHS ago.

Riddle called this for weeks now. Before anyone leaked anything. He knows things, and if he says it's happening, I believe him.

He's a kind Anon, on top of all that. He's shown many LINKERs the light, including myself.

>>7448235
Hell yes

>>7448279
You'd be doing whatever you could do to try and make LINK cheaper to buy if you didn't even have a toilet to shit in, I guess.

bump

>>7447823
Thx for the link btw. Tons of stuff in there.

tfw downloading files from a stranger on a Cambodian goat milking image board

The only for sure thing I am getting out of this is oracles are going to be massive. As long as Chainlink takes a piece of the pie we gonna moon. There is so much evidence to suggest chainlink is going to be adopted in some form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2s&v=xJZulZ_-CMI&app=desktop

>>7448538
>Insurance Anon from yesterday

Gave his trip and said he'd post later w/ more info

Riddle's previous hint at Hyperledger

Moar

>>7449257
Anyone ever find the white and blue cube doc?

>>7449343
This is it, he posted in the same thread