/biz/ - Business & Finance

Can I be the first in the breadline if I join now?

>>7361204
>(((capitalism)))
A flawed system, I agree. National socialism is the way forward

>>7361204
>CHAINS
Is that a new coin?

>>7361288
opportunist kulaks get Gulag

>>7361204
*reads 20th century history*
and our lives, apparently

>>7361204
Hey my IQ is supposedly 160 I won't be shot and killed because I am a "threat" to the system right?

>>7361454
no of course not you'll be a physicist or an astronaut or something

>>7361503
Suuuuuure, I mean I believe in freedom of association and private property right but you're just going to "re-educate me" until I understand my flawed thinking and If it doesn't stick I'll get some "healthy" group exercise and experience in the wonders of serving the the party from inside a coal mine :)

ARISE YE WORKERS FROM YOUR SLUMBER!
ARISE YE PRISONERS OF WANT!
FOR REASON IN REVOLT NOW THUNDERS
AND AT LAST ENDS THE AGE OF CANT!

AWAY WITH ALL YOUR SUPERSTITIONS
SERVILE MASSES ARISE! ARISE!
WE'LL CHANGE HENCEFORTH THE OLD TRADTIONS,
AND SPURN THE DUST TO WIN THE PRIZE!

SO COMRADES COME RALLY,
AND THE LAST FIGHT LET US FACE!
THE INTERNATIONALE
UNITES THE HUMAN RACE!

>>7361204
LOL DUDE MY LIFE IS MONEY THOUGH ALL I WANNA DO IS MAKE MONEY

>>7361842
you have commodified your own life for the benefit of the capitalist elite. congrats u played yourself

>>7361204
VIP GULAG

>>7361752
>UNITES THE HUMAN RACE!
You see if you took race into account from the beginning and abandoned that state of innocence crap and were a bit more realistic of human nature your shit might have gone some where.

>>7361204
Capitalism has failed you because you're a brainlet. Should of dumped at 19k like the rest of us pal. Feels good never having to work a day in my life again.

>>7361204
I HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT MY FOOD

>>7361895
$$$$$$$$$ MONEY MONEY MONEY $$$$$$$$$$$

>>7361204
How come faggy young college commie kids never see themselves as the working class in communist societies? They all have some grand delusions of them being at the top of the communist hierarchal system, ironically.

>>7361204
"WE the socialist ELITE know better how OTHER have to live, instead of themselves."

See pic how good that works.

>>7361204

can i be one of the ones in charge of all the other equal people?

>>7361204
>YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR CHAINS
said the guy who caused tens of millions to lose all their property and lives

top kek commutards

>>7361204
>tfw when your a non-marxist leftist

>>7362129
the bourgeois lost their property, you dumb pig. poor people got nothing to begin with, cept the chains

>>7362090
A lot of them are just got sucked into Marx's isolation meme and want communism because they think it will give them a raise in social capital and since they have so much financial capital they don't mind giving it up.

>>7362090
>They all have some grand delusions of them being at the top of the communist hierarchal system, ironically.

they see themselves as more equal

>>7362176
ask all those poor people who had to work to their death in the gulag about those "only chains"

stay retarded commitards

>>7362176
But the Bourgeoisie are just the people who have "more" and you keep seizing until nobody has anything, it doesn't stop at any certain point just when there is nothing left worth taking.

>>7362218
>capitalist propaganda still at work
lololol

>>7362090
Because communism isn't about the workers. The actual working class gravitates toward fascism. Communism is the (((intellectual elite))) using the lumpen to screw the proletariat

>>7362244
it stops when the working man is the ruling party, and not enslaved to the people who own the means of production and their wage-slave lives

>>7362261
>lololol
insanely good argument, just as expected from the intellectual elite of commiturds

>>7362159
Wow you're just like miller lite, edgy to the core

>>7361204
>commies can't meme

>>7362328

They have no incentive to since (you)s are distributed evenly

>>7362315
>elite
you're the elite dood, rich wannabe fag

>>7361204
COMMUNISM THE OFFICIAL IDEOLOGY OF /BIZ/

CHAD IDEOLOGY XXXxXBIGdDiCKYdADDYMARXXXx

>>7361204

>>7362303
the working man becomes the ruling party's bitch.

>>7362361
>has exactly zero indication of my wealth
>still assumes I'm way wealthier than him
yep, communists.

>>7362107
ITS A PRIVATE CEMETERY YOU ARE CHARGED AN ENTRANCE FEE NOT SPECIFICALLY TO SEE MARX GRAVE

>>7362303
That's bullshit, the working man is a nice guy but a stupid and naive one, he wouldn't know what to do if he were in charge, and that's the point have a bunch of retards THINK they are in charge when really it's some small group pulling the strings, nothing really changes just another delusion.

>>7362429
no, the proletariat party becomes the ruling party. no more chains

>>7362475
A bitch of many people.

>>7362445
>acts like he doesn't want to be rich
>acts like he wouldn't hoard his wealth like a pig
you're little bourgeois in training, programmed nice and good to suck dick for $$$ til you die hehe

>>7361204
capitalism has actually done great for me

>>7362458
>he wouldn't know what to do if he were in charge
because he has never had power before, it will take time when the common poor working man wields power and learn how to use it. the "small group pulling the strings" is temporary phase to help adjust the proletariat to power until the dissolution of class. takes time dude

>>7362541
exactly zero substantial arguments in, the cummie resorts to adhominem. Ah, a classic.

>>7362176
>the bourgeois lost their property, you dumb pig. poor people got nothing to begin with, cept the chains

force everyone down to the lowest common denominator

>>7362595
>the all powerful communist state will beneficently dissolve itself without issue

Good joke. Made me laugh.

>>7362615
>dd-d-on't call me a slave!
>I'm not programmed to pursue money mindlessly until I die!
lol

>>7362595
BULLSHIT, while he was "getting used to it" the people who have had years of experience are going to run circles around him and take his country,party, or whatever. Yeah I'm sure they would give up party high level commies are all just a regular Cincinatus in waiting.

>>7362595
>because he has never had power before, it will take time when the common poor working man wields power and learn how to use it. the "small group pulling the strings" is temporary phase to help adjust the proletariat to power until the dissolution of class. takes time dude

>>7362595
>Common poor working man wielding power will become a nice, unselfish person who will only take his "fair share".

>>7362452
Yeah, but the owners of the grave (the charity has 170.000 people) could pay for the visitor. But they DO NOT.

>>7362633
>i would never associate with those--those.. lowest common denominators! they're so dirty!
words of the bourgeoisie

class cucks regurgitating capitalist propaganda in between desperately taking dumbass business advice on an anime image board to try to ascend to the petite bourgeoisie. Sad!

>>7362671
>lol
back to lololol'ing eh? Sure must be hard to come up with all those hard fought arguments

>>7362763
Marx himself did the same.

>>7362107
This reminds me of that Lenin statue that is private property.

>>7361204
what kind of shitcoin is this

>>7362776
Already sold. I'm just here to laugh at the retards who didn't buy laughing at the retards who didn't sell.

Stay poor though, commie.

>>7362763
You wanna tell me Marx's opinions on Blacks my man?

>>7361204

>>7362739
obviously a liberal democrat, not a bolshevik. the stench and look of the liberal bourgeois is obvious.

>>7362754
co-operation and comradery are instilled in the working man, so yes working men share. brothers for brothers. capitalists to each his own, doubt and mistrust of every other person, corrupt egocentrism.

GET READY

>>7362786
>I'm not a slave to the dollar! s-s-stop it!

>>7361351
yes, this is the way forward

>>7363013
>obviously a liberal democrat, not a bolshevik. the stench and look of the liberal bourgeois is obvious.
Sure thing big guy

>he didn't get the memo that America is great again. No thanks to boring commies stuck in the past.

>>7363192
>dow down 1600 pts
Miss me yet?

>>7363013
>co-operation and comradery are instilled in the working man, so yes working men share.

If they have that, why can't they just band together to start their own company?

>>7363079
better a slave to the dollar than to the dictatorship :^)

YOU HAVE NOTHING TO EAT BUT YOUR MOTHER’S BOYFRIEND’S SOY PRODUCTS

>>7363236
because they are born into slavery and without the resources to compete with the bourgeoisie

>>7363355
Lol, sucks to be them

>>7363287
man is not born to be a slave of anything

>>7363394
except the dictatorship that's gonna manage our way to communism, amirite ;^)

>>7363394
Says who

Work or starve

>>7363388
you're closer to them than you are to the richest, they say the same thing about you

>>7363471
You have no idea who you’re speaking to :^)

>>7363471
If you are American you are in the global 1%

>>7363515
okay so you're a multi billionaire. of course

>>7363568
Doing juuuuuust fine

I have a lot, more than I need, and I only share with people I deem productive

(Not you)

This thread convinced me that commies are annoying and suck at subversion

Im going to join the National Socialist Party

>>7361204
Fuck off commies lol. You have no arguments.

>>7363232
oh man, that scary 4% drop. i can't think of any market that ever falls that much. the end is nigh.

>>7361351
It is the socialism part that is the problem. National communism or just communism. Both deranged.
This is the answer https://www.reddit.com/r/SargonofAkkad/comments/7qj5zd/a_possible_solution_for_corporation_regulation/

>>7363884
>I haven't researched anything so therefore communism has no arguments.

>>7364179
Commies typically get btfo and can't respond whenever ltv and dialectical materialism pseudoscience is brought up.

Marxism is a stupid religion.

>>7364358

>>7364179
LOL. You know nothing Jhon snow. You are in a cult.
>>7364358
This. except for its a cult.

>>7364682
and capitalism isn't?

>>7364710
I'm not a capitalist. Read this https://www.reddit.com/r/SargonofAkkad/comments/7qj5zd/a_possible_solution_for_corporation_regulation/

>>7364976
>SargonofAkkad
This has to be a joke

Fine. It was bound to happen eventually.

>>7364710
>no u
How is Capitalism in anyway cult like?

>>7365075
Why? The place doesn't matter, only the idea. I was watching one of his videos randomly and he came up with some ism crap so i decided to add that. It is better and it would work.

>>7365171
It is a bit, not on Marxism scale tho ofc. Mo0re on a nerdy Adam Smith and math scale.

>if you cant be rich, you might as well starve

>*100 million people starve*
>*systematically seek and slaughter anyone remotely christian*
>*production grinds to a halt as people don't want their hard work redistributed to the freeloaders*
>*people flee country if they can*
"oh no it failed again"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_goods_game

>>7365226
**Read Zizek**

>>7365310
Not again. Once was enough ty.
Not in the pic btw, that is what is next to me and my fun reading material.

Communism is a scammer game. You’re gonna lose all your money.

>>7365310
I do agree that greed is a massive driving force behind capitalism though. Facilitated by loans. It is also one of the things (((they))) use to manipulate and by (())) I do not mean 'da joos'. I didn't agree fully with a lot of what he was saying though. It is basically picking a fight with the wrong thing.

>>7361351
wrong. no gods, no masters

>>7364358
this.

>>7365511
It would only 'work' if nobody had money and even then there would be a lack of drive to compete. There is the old adage of the factory worker berating his comrade for working so hard because it made him look bad. Humans are inherently lazy. It is only a special few that aren't and those few are dragged down by the rest in communism. Equality of outcome makes us all average. It has been proven through history. Even Lenin/Stalin had to make exceptions for engineers and things once the infrastructure started failing (inb4 - not real communism, it would be the same regardless). Equality of outcome NEVER workes because we are inherently unequal.
Communism, Marxism, BLM, Nat. Socialism, Feminism, BAMN, Antifa etc is a fools game.

Oh God, after all the /pol/tards, now we also have to deal with commies? Bloody hell m8

>>7365610
'Don't tread on me' basically.

>>7365569
Everyone know the Rothschilds control large parts of the capitalist economy, the problem your not seeing is how such things inevitably form under capitalism and how those things will form again when they're removed

>>7365728
it's fine. We are dealing with them. It is easier than /pol/. Marxists are morons. You have to be by definition. They are all average to slightly above average IQ and boy can you tell.

>>7365757
I have already given my alternative solution. https://www.reddit.com/r/SargonofAkkad/comments/7qj5zd/a_possible_solution_for_corporation_regulation/
I am not a 'capitalist' in the modern sense. Free market maybe but it needs regulations and specific ones. Freedom is not achieved by regulating people beyond civil laws.

>>7363975
>SargonofAkkad
possibly the only person more retarded than commies and nazis

>>7365877
Pretentious as of late, slightly autistic maybe, not retarded.

It's time for the cybernetic control of society

>>7365746
i have more in common with the marxists

>>7366015
Me too probably. I don't even know anymore. I know they are in a cult though, fully indoctrinated.
>Political correctness must go! for too long have politicians/medias/ppls hands been tied by a braying mob crying intolerance and 'muh feels'
My pinned tweet wouldn't be very Marxist. Individualist maybe.

I've been fighting communism for years now. /pol/ has been my home. Constantly I've defended capitalism against post-modern Marxism fervently but this has done it. Today I really understand and although I don't agree with everything Karl Marx said, I believe communism is inevitable. I'm tired of struggling despite how hard I work.

>>7366145
this you?
https://twitter.com/fribbler123

>>7366380
It will happen naturally once we automate the majority of the workforce and remove fiat. It can not be forced. Marx has some really stupid ideas and pushing them via activism is retarded, to say the least.
We literally need replicators for any form of 'communism' to work. We will NEVER have equality of outcome. It is unobtainable. Therefore communism doesn't work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq8y-ejapjE
We will never be equal and I will die fighting that.

>>7366003
I don't usually want sideways vagina buuuuuut

>>7366401
Yup. That's my drunk shitposting twitter. You can have my name and address if you want. I have nothing to be doxed about. I am actually a very sad story where my father was murdered by the government when I was 7 and then my mum's bf at 14. Resultant mental health issues have made me an outsider with no shits to give. https://www.youtube.com/user/CampaignTB affiliated with that too.

>>7366486
>We will never be equal and I will die fighting that
You do understand that Marx literally argues that fact in his books, right? That in early socialist production some people will outproduce others by their own merit and so will therefore reap more from their production.

>>7366694

yeah

it is like this:

From each according to their ability. To each according to their contribution --->time (automation and post scarcity technology develops)---> From each according to their ability. To each according to their need.

>>7361204
>YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR CHAINS
If by 'chains' you mean "comfortable life in a first world country" in exchange for inevitable misery in a police state which features mass hungers, mass murders, and inevitable economic collapse then sure.

>>7366694
You cant share the means of production in an equal society. Some people deserve to run things. Not my fault X or Y is too stupid or disadvantages to achieve it. Like I have said in the comment section of that Reddit posts. If you can't achieve success for yourself then you work your ass off to provide it for your kids. After a few generations of that then you will find a successful family. It is a matter of time. The entitlement of Marxists wanting it all now is the problem. If you are smart, you will succeed. Your level of success is dependant on the individual. Your parents should have given you the best chance they could and you should do the same for your kids instead of fighting the system that enables you. I will never accept more government. I believe welfare should be cut drastically and corporations should be limited. Check my Reddit post.
But no, Marx didn't argue that, quite the opposite. Maybe you didn't understand him? or you have been brainwashed by a cult member?

>>7366874
WTF?! did you hear that on your widescreen plasma TV while eating your convenience food and drinking your tap water (water from a tap in every home) in your artificially warmed home? You poor bastard!

Wew, nice job deleting all those informative posts about (((capitalism))) (((socialism))) (((communism))) and the only system that has been proven to work. It worked so well that it took the whole world to get them back in line.
Well anyway, if you would like to know more I suggest "Hitlers revolution" by Richard Tedor.

>>7363975
Huuurrrr the 'socialism' in National Socialism is the marxist kind. Durrrrr

Fuck

>>7367021
I didn't say that. It is the equality enforcing kind though. Which is bad. You are also involved in identity politics. Which is bad. Why is it bad? Becuase it always ends up in gulags regardless. I will never agree with you so what will you do with me? Anyway, I am a race realist so stop assuming. I just won't agree with your cult.

>>7361351
/thread

>>7367296
Hitler partnered with the Japs because he knew they were equal.

>>7367296
Future Jap

>>7367149
Are you implying that NatSoc enforces equality? It does anything but that.
It is in line with nature though, generally speaking. So if you forcibly try to deviate yourself or the society from that path there would be consequences.

lol I just noticed the deleted comments on my plebbit post. They were from a Nat socialist btw talking to me about race and things.

>>7366380
Under communism, you would still struggle. A utopian world is a pipe dream.

>>7367671
It is still equality if it is for a chosen few. Have you not see the trailer trash we have? I believe in eugenics desu, I believe in race realism. I will not adhere to a system that enforces those premises. It will not work. You need one that will make it happen naturally. Nat socialism is retarded collectivism. In fact, no, it is protectionism. It is the desire to protect one's own over others when the others may be better. If you were so confident of your beliefs like I am then you would make things free and based on the individual. I think half of the white people need culling let alone sub-Sahara. You cant enforce this. You thinking only of yourself. You need to think of the future and make it a game of survival of the fittest again. That is the crux of Marxist and Nat Social thinking. You all want it now and have no thoughts for the future ironically.

>>7366806
Glad to see somebody read.
>>7366882
>You cant share the means of production in an equal society
Explain
>If you can't achieve success for yourself then you work your ass off to provide it for your kids. After a few generations of that then you will find a successful family. It is a matter of time.
Very, very few of those people will ever make it out of poverty and the chances of that family ever emerging out of poverty depends heavily in this day and age on whether or not you can achieve an appropriate education. Such education is limited, congested with other desiring an education as well, and fairly expensive up to the point that it will take about 21 years for them to pay off their college debt on average. However, lets assume your one very, very few who achieves a scholarship which pay fully for your education. Now assuming you pass with flying colors while also holding a minimum wage job which pays less then it did to your parents when converted, you then take a 50/50 coinflip of being accepted to any job in the first place with the added bonus of needing experience (which you don't have yet to) to get the job in the first place. Now lets assume your actually able to squeeze through for an interview and they take up some interest despite your lake of experience. You now have to compete against individuals of an equal education level (in the companies eyes) to get the job meaning really the only two leverages you retain are 1. Any insider connections you have (which is entirely non-merit based) or 2. Your wage, which you can decrease as far as the company and you are willing to go, and guess which one doesn't mind paying you shit. If you have insider connections, great. You'll get the job with little decrease compared to the next joe. If you don't, get ready to lower your already low wage as low as the company can drive it through the army surplus of labor. Doesn't matter how smart you are, if they can be profitable with someone cheaper.

>>7367861
you cant share the means of production in an equal society because some people are simply better than others.

They need to work harder. If they cant make it then they are stupid and need to die out naturally. Life should not be fair or we are going to socialise ourselves back to the stone age.
Like I have stated in my plebbit post. Debt is wrong, nobody should be taking out loans for anything. period. you should succeed on merit and fail on it likewise. Everything else you said is dependant on that not being true so. It is true, we need to work with it and accept it. some people will not succeed and that is a good thing. Evolution must not be fought. Huh, I guess I am an evolutionist.

The only thing you can control is yourself. Leave other people alone.

>>7367861
Continued
>>7366882
>Your level of success is dependent on the individual.
Engels literally makes a point for this
>Labor is a commodity, like any other, and its price is therefore determined by exactly the same laws that apply to other commodities. In a regime of big industry or of free competition – as we shall see, the two come to the same thing – the price of a commodity is, on the average, always equal to its cost of production. Hence, the price of labor is also equal to the cost of production of labor.
>But, the costs of production of labor consist of precisely the quantity of means of subsistence necessary to enable the worker to continue working, and to prevent the working class from dying out. The worker will therefore get no more for his labor than is necessary for this purpose; the price of labor, or the wage, will, in other words, be the lowest, the minimum, required for the maintenance of life.
>However, since business is sometimes better and sometimes worse, it follows that the worker sometimes gets more and sometimes gets less for his commodities. But, again, just as the industrialist, on the average of good times and bad, gets no more and no less for his commodities than what they cost, similarly on the average the worker gets no more and no less than his minimum.
>This economic law of wages operates the more strictly the greater the degree to which big industry has taken possession of all branches of production

>But no, Marx didn't argue that, quite the opposite.
Your right, Engels did and Marx agreed

>>7361204
is it some kind of a obscure way of shilling link

>>7368077
At the point of a gun. You cant force it. I have never said that the end result is not desirable. You need to do it naturally. Identity politics and gulags are the problems. society is a mess and needs a different way of doing things. I have read it btw. But it is good for others to read it too, stop cherry picking quotes though. You are coming at this with an end goal in mind, that of convincing me that Marx etc teachings are the right way. You can't to that and be objective.

>>7368187
Nah, just buy it. It is fucking awesome.

>>7368007
>you cant share the means of production in an equal society because some people are simply better than others.
Sharing means of production mean you are sharing the industrial means to produce, you still receive a share of the work you put in.
Debt is wrong, nobody should be taking out loans for anything.
Where you have capitalism you have loans, and where you have loans you have debt. There's no way around this as even the most SocDem nations (which are still capitalist by structure) are embroiled in debt.
I advise you read "Debt: The First 5,000 Years" and then listen to Wolff for a view on co-op's as well as read Cockshott for a look at centralized algorithmic planning, to which even the Austrians were in damage control about

>>7368187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-ZiI3iVgpM

>>7361204
>all empiric evidence points to the contrary
A B S O L U T E L Y
S C I E N T I F I C

>>7368219
>At the point of a gun
Marx argued that every individual should be as armed as possible as such disarmament could only lead to the individual being unable to determine his labor and societies regress into capitalism.
>Identity politics
Marx hated this
>You can't to that and be objective.
Trying to be as straight as I can here

>>7361204
We need to solve the obesity epidemic. Communism now!

>>7368304
>Sharing means of production mean you are sharing the industrial means to produce, you still receive a share of the work you put in.
Yes, you should get the sale price minus shipping for anything you produce. Jobs that produce nothing should be largely redundant. Unfortunately, there are idiots in the world who will never do this. They will need gulags. PLus what you are enabling IS capitalism. The person who creates a better way of doing something ends up keeping his idea secret and making more than the rest of you. You need gulags for them too to force them to share. Why should a stupid person get what a smart person created?
>Where you have capitalism you have loans, and where you have loans you have debt. There's no way around this as even the most SocDem nations (which are still capitalist by structure) are embroiled in debt.
I advise you read "Debt: The First 5,000 Years" and then listen to Wolff for a view on co-op's as well as read Cockshott for a look at centralized algorithmic planning, to which even the Austrians were in damage control about
I am not a capitalist. Did you even read my plebbit post?

>>7368419
>Marx argued that every individual should be as armed as possible as such disarmament could only lead to the individual being unable to determine his labor and societies regress into capitalism.
He was pushing revolution. In a truly just society, nobody needs to be armed.
>Marx hated this
He hated class-based identity politics. Why do we see other forms now from people who clearly follow Marx?
>Trying to be as straight as I can here
I know. I appreciate it. I am open to ideas as I follow no doctrine. Are you?

watch 10:19 onwards. This is how we treated race in the 90's/00's? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFNy58-__BM
We had equality...

>>7367860
A nation of 60 million that sees itself as distinct from the rest does not need to see all 60 million inhabitants as equal. "Trailer trash" can still be useful, the current system just fails to do this. Note that useful can also imply work camp and re education.
The desire to protect yourself and your (genetically close) tribe is in line with nature. Even if the other is better, struggle is part of the deal. I take it that you impregnate your wife with top tier semen from a clinic then? Be real please.
>If I believe in NatSoc I should become an ancap/libertarian/individualist
wut, that doesn't make sense at all.
You can easily implement eugenics by limiting your "trailer trash" to 1 child if you would wish to do so.
I stand a better change of preventing my grand children from getting raped by niggers if I do that together with a group of people who share my culture and blood unified in a nation than on my own.
NatSoc has race realism covered that's for sure. And even Sweden did eugenics post ww2 even.

>>7368602
>The person who creates a better way of doing something ends up keeping his idea secret and making more than the rest of you.
He would have no reason to as his contribution to future automation allows production to continue more efficiently and the lack of privately owned property (i.e. property enforced by state or private function) does not exist meaning what he own is more determine by what he uses and what he can aquire labour voucher wise which is determined by average hourly work and production.
>Jobs that produce nothing should be largely redundant.
Agreed, automation will sort these out
>I am not a capitalist
Capitalism is defined by commodity production based upon the private ownership of means the of production and the exploitation of wage labour to extract surplus-value as to further invest in commodity production. So yes, your still capitalist.
>>7368707
>He was pushing revolution. In a truly just society, nobody needs to be armed.
Please don't tell me you believe this
>He hated class-based identity politics. Why do we see other forms now from people who clearly follow Marx?
He hated identity politics period, he felt it got in the way of class analysis. He would be appalled by the liberals of today ho butchered his work for self-gratification.
>I am open to ideas as I follow no doctrine. Are you?
I used to be a libertarian and a /pol/yp, I've been through most if not all the arguments before I got here

>>7368851
Trailer trash is never useful. Welfare and stupid people are a drain on society. The only thing that excuses this is a disability.
Education is indoctrination/babysitting. In fact, a large number of our problems are currently caused by the daycare generation. Who screamed for attention once their parents dumped them in daycare. This was caused by loans making the cost of living so high both parents had to work.
I have no wife as none live up to my standards. If I did then I would not selectively breed her. I would aim to make my kids the best they can be. That is all anybody can do. The weak should die and the strong survive if not thrive.
>If I believe in NatSoc I should become an ancap/libertarian/individualist
I didn't say that.as above, this is not a thing that should be solved immediately. Society should be built around survival of the fittest. We don't need to kill anybody if the weak fail and are allowed to fail. Charity is how they are helped but charity is not indefinite. I have outlined this very clearly in my plebbit post which you have apparently not read.

>>7369062
Sorry let me refrain that, his lack of privately owned property (i.e. property enforced by state or private function) means what he owns is more determine by what he uses and what he can aquire labour voucher wise which is determined by average hourly work and production.

>>7369062
>He would have no reason to as his contribution to future automation allows production to continue more efficiently and the lack of privately owned property (i.e. property enforced by state or private function) does not exist meaning what he own is more determine by what he uses and what he can aquire labour voucher wise which is determined by average hourly work and production.
patents. We have those. You are being very capitalist now?
>Capitalism is defined by commodity production based upon the private ownership of means the of production and the exploitation of wage labour to extract surplus-value as to further invest in commodity production. So yes, your still capitalist.
I am not capitalist.
>Please don't tell me you believe this
It is not about believing, perhaps marx did not explicitly say this but it was the result and he did imply. Sorry, but its true.
>He hated identity politics period, he felt it got in the way of class analysis. He would be appalled by the liberals of today ho butchered his work for self-gratification.
He would. Agreed on that.
>I used to be a libertarian and a /pol/yp, I've been through most if not all the arguments before I got here
and where are you dear? A fixed place? read my plebbit post.

This economic crash means that capitalism can't survive. Rich always come out on top in the crashes. The bourgeois are causing the crashes.

>>7369091
Real world situation. McDonalds workers getting $15 an hour?
They are retards who don't deserve that. You get what you work for in life and even a fast food worker can save and provide for the kids.I would argue that not in this society. One without loans then yes. It is loans that are the problem including consolidation by corporations. debate.

>>7369091
>patents. We have those. You are being very capitalist now?
Patents are extremely restrictive for inovation and are not what I am talking about
>I am not capitalist
You still talk in terms of tax and currency, I'm talking about labour vouchers which are non-transferable. You system still operates along class lines and is still dictated by a capitalist mode and economic structure.
>It is not about believing, perhaps marx did not explicitly say this but it was the result and he did imply. Sorry, but its true.
I don't see how he implied such
>and where are you dear? A fixed place? read my plebbit post.
I did, if the one your talking about is the main topic one

Unfortunately I have to leave now for work, but I hope you'll at least give some of those books a glance if only for perspective I started with the originator of Georgism, Henry George, who allowed me to fully understand rent and how profit is derived from land as well as Smith. I enjoyed talking, if you want to talk again I'll be on the pic related arguing my brains out when the shitposting is down after the crash.

>>7369075
>It is the desire to protect one's own over others when the others may be better

>If I believe in NatSoc I should become an ancap/libertarian/individualist
>I didn't say that.as above
True it is even worse. You are implying we should kill our trailer trash and replace them with Indians, since the latter are more useful if because we can let them work in a call center or whatever.
Trailer trash + work camp = useful trailer trash.
Just scanned trough your post. I do hope you realize that the cause of most issues is a certain group of people right. The kind that tend to be group orientated and heavily involved in media and finance.
This is exactly the group that thrives in individualist societies because a group of people working together beats any group of individuals.

>>7369571
>Patents are extremely restrictive for innovation and are not what I am talking about
They should be and I get what you are talking about but you cant have that level of bureaucracy and be free.1984 shit.
>You still talk in terms of tax and currency, I'm talking about labour vouchers which are non-transferable. You system still operates along class lines and is still dictated by a capitalist mode and economic structure.
Society needs structure as I outlined in my plebbit post.
>I don't see how he implied such
You need to read it without blinkers.
>I did, if the one your talking about is the main topic one
I mean this https://www.reddit.com/r/SargonofAkkad/comments/7qj5zd/a_possible_solution_for_corporation_regulation/

All you did is help me realise that being an evolutionist could be a thing. So thanks. Have fun at work. I am drinking and haven't worked in 10 years. ;)

>>7369538
One last one
>Real world situation. McDonalds workers getting $15 an hour? They are retards who don't deserve that.
Such a thing is inevitable under capitalism, most jobs will be such menial and honestly unneeded low wage labor as long as profit can be derived from such. $15 an hour only seems like a lot because we compare it to our already historically low wages when converted (your grandpa made far more then you do on minimum).

>>7369734
You are thinking Indians would replace trailer trash? Interesting.
You don't need camps after a few hundred years of a society based on the intelligent succeeding. The current education system is massively flawed. They have social sciences ffs. I wouldn't kill anybody, just make it so they die out.
Yes, I am fully aware of what my post does to people like that. Thank you for scanning it. That was the basis of my point in posting it. The whole bringing down the financial sector stuff. Fully aware. Thank you for reading.

>>7369823
It is deserved.

>>7361672
That literally happens in all authoritarian governments, no matter if communist or capitalist.

>>7369893
>You are thinking Indians would replace trailer trash? Interesting.
Not really. But if you make decisions only based on the utility a person has that would be a logical/if absurd endpoint. Trailer trash kids are salvageable, Indians' kids stay poo.
Sweden did nothing wrong when they decided to snip their potatoes. Any sane and healthy society would do that, that includes a NatSoc society.
Keep in mind that for any kind of society to stay on course it needs to be capable of self cleaning and repair. Basically what Hoppe said.

>>7370594
Nope. Source: Pinochet.

>>7361351
/thread

>>7365610
*tips fedora*

>>7370772
>But if you make decisions only based on the pigmentation a person has that would be a logical/if absurd.
>Indians kids are salvageable, trailer trash kids stay eating McDonald's
>Any sane and healthy society that fits my cult-like ideals would do that, that includes a NatSoc society, that happens to be my cult's favorite society.
>Keep in mind that for any kind of society to stay on course it needs to be capable of things that really they don't need, but it fits my ideals so yeah.
>Basically what (insert ad verecundiam)

>>7364358
>Marxism is a stupid religion.
This, which is why I think I fundamentally hate it as much as I hate when I see libertarians insist the invisible hand will protect them.
I just reminds me that I am surrounded by Heathens and Heretics.

>>7370939
I'm pretty sure those chilean schools teached the same things that were teached all around the world.

>>7361204

>this is still up
Impressive.

Communism is one form of authoritarian government, and it can only "work" when the people in power actually want to improve the situation. Normally the first few leaders are okay but the rest could get easily corrupted and turn the country worse.

Authoritarian government is about given super powers to a few. The more power the more likely it gets corrupted.

An example is Venezuela. One Carlos Andres gives himself super powers, so he nationalized the oil industry because he thought it was good for the people, them came Chavez and abused the power, then came Maduro and got corrupted by it.
The one who suffers is the people

t. Venezuelan

>>7371040
>thinks it's a religion
>muh liberals
>also a muhammer brony
Checks out really.

>>7371365
>being this triggered
You believe in Marx to be infallible, have multiple figures that have become saints through cult of personalities, and can only throw ad hominem attacks at me.

>>7371017
>But if you make decisions only based on the pigmentation a person has that would be a logical/if absurd.
Said pigmentation happens to correlate extremely well with a bunch of other factors. Don't fall for the "only skin deep" nonsense please. Case in point (although extreme) are the Aboriginals of Australia.
>Indians kids are salvageable, trailer trash kids stay eating McDonald's
Trailer trash kids have the possibilty to blend in in a white society both with regards to outside appearence and intellect provided upward mobility is possible. Indians have brown kids that will stand out no matter what.
>Any sane and healthy society that fits my cult-like ideals would do that, that includes a NatSoc society, that happens to be my cult's favorite society.
Sweden wasn't natsoc, yet they did eugenics. Pacific islanders threw newborn babies into the ocean to keep overpopulation at bay.
Extreme by current standards, but by no means cult like behaviour.
>counter argument by using a latin phrase
Well enjoy your society getting subverted then. The fact that Hoppe is a (((lolberg))) doesn't mean he is wrong. Principle still stands and has been proven throughout history.

>>7371093
Most accommodating regime ever. It gave its citizens exactly what they asked for: the commies got free services and the capitalists got their property rights.

>>7371908
You don't get my point, you dumb faggot, your whole arguments are unsubstantially /pol/tier memes.
"Said pigmentation happens to correlate extremely well with a bunch of other factors." Like what? Explain yourself, and I don't want meme charts or stupid images without any reliable source, even if it happens to be 100% true, why the fuck would I reject, let's say, Pajeet with an IQ of 134 and a pretty experienced doctor career over Jack who just finished university and an IQ of 110? You try to use the skin pigmentation as a reference to identify the another "factors", I'm assuming IQ is one of them, but deny any kind of individual that has those superior factors only because his name is Pajeet because you assume individuals aren't a thing, nice meme'd.
"Trailer trash kids have the possibilty to blend in in a white society both with regards to outside appearence and intellect provided upward mobility is possible."
You're assuming that in an already completely white society, but that's not reality mumbo jumbo. Your whole reasoning why pajeets won't fit is because you're putting them in a Nazi Germany society, no shit Sherlock.
"Sweden wasn't natsoc, yet they did eugenics."
I never implied Sweden was a NatSoc,nice reading comprehension, it's pretty well-known that eugenics has been a thing since ancient societies, wuz iz zpartanz?
"Extreme by current standards, but by no means cult like behaviour." Again, nice reading comprehension, I never said eugenics are a cult-like ideal, but your cult aka /pol/ happened to get all the dumbest and unfounded ideas and make them into ""their"" ideals.
>wuzuwnd dis lov thing can make gud thing for cult, therefor lov is a cult thing!1!
>counter argument by using a latin phrase
What argument was I trying to counter? You literally just put some dude's name and made it into a "reason" to agree to you, I never said Hoppe is wrong or right, but your /pol/tier argumentation skills are terrible.

>>7370772
You are collectivising all white people into salvageable and this is just not true. Some white people are just to dumb to live.

>>7372201
Again, /pol/, learn how to argue, >>7361672
basically said that if you don't fit the ideals of a certain authoritarian regime you'll end up recieving some kind of punishment, this can be either a concentration camp, Siberia, coal mines, a helicopter's ride, etc., and all I said it's that it happens in any kind of authoritarian regime, then you claim Pinochet didn't, wether he did help the country or not, he ended up resorting to the Siberia meme but with helicopters.

>>7361380
Your system is founded on opportunists you ass

>>7361204
>implying any of the retarded faggots on this board work

>>7372823
Agreed, that's why we need freedom of association and dissociation.

>>7362050
Guarantee you don’t own a single bitcoin and live with your parents. No, posting you’re inspect element-ed zero dollar portfolio isn’t proof.

>>7362090
>They all have some grand delusions of them being at the top of the communist hierarchal system, ironically.
I’m not sure how the retarded right wingers ever got this idea, especially since they’re the ones that think they wouldn’t be immediately thrown into camps if le baysed hidler actually took power.

>>7372847
There's a minor difference though, Pinochet stopped violent people who wanted to steal people's property by force, Communists are trash and are always the first to initiate violence so any retribution on them is more than justified. Same with Spain, Commies were burning churches and killing opposition, and communism always leads to death, punishing a person who is advocating for violence and who, once gathered the strength, will use it against you is called self-defense.

You cannot say the same about people who just want to accumulate the fruit of their labor in order to become more productive. These people don't hurt anyone and don't deserve punishment.

That's why Hoppe argues, rightfully, that communists must be physically removed.

>>7373126
I'm not disagreeing with you, but you gotta be delusional if think Pinochet only removed commies out of Chile, and again, my point is not that Pinochet did wrong or good by giving free rides to all the violent commies, my point was and is that those who don't follow your ideals in an authoritarian society, must be remove or punished, and trying to silver line a guy who got in power by a military coup d'état in a democratic country is pretty hypocrite desu.

>>7373348
Only if you consider democracy to be a moral system, which I don't.

Fighting democracy is self-defense too.

>>7373126
There's so much bullshit in this post I'm not even sure it's classifiable as such.

>>7373406
It's funny you mention morality, I think you have the misconception that just because I think something is morally wrong, it shouldn't be done, if Pinochet ended up helping Chile by murdering puppies, I would find it morally wrong but necessary
>Stalin
>Genocidal maniac
>Made a shitty regressive farmer country into a nuclear superpower
I really don't mind people using to helicopter rides to help the country, but trying to delude yourself thinking that their moral reasoning is justify, I got bad news for you.
>Only if you consider democracy to be a moral system
I don't, but trying to shit on commies being violent while Pinochet resort to violence in a country where he could get into power in a pacifist way is pretty funny desu.
>Fighting democracy is self-defense too.
Not gonna deny that.

>>7361204
BTFO to /Pol/ Larper

I’m doing pretty good, actually. Have being a poorfag forever.

>>7373611
>It's funny you mention morality, I think you have the misconception that just because I think something is morally wrong, it shouldn't be done, if Pinochet ended up helping Chile by murdering puppies, I would find it morally wrong but necessary

But then you'd have to also demonstrate that morally wrong actions help. Pinochet helped and Pinochet didn't do anything morally wrong other than some collateral damage in the purge of violent individuals and some excess on the retribution towards morally corrupt people.

>but trying to delude yourself thinking that their moral reasoning is justify

It's not delusion when it's demonstrated by facts. Communists, when empowered by numbers, act upon their word and aggress against peaceful people. Any action against them once they start acting on their belief is justified. There's a measure of equality in retribution, you shouldn't cut the hands of someone who steals, but other than that? Yes, to defend yourself is morally sound.

What I advocate for is eliminating the necessity of violence through dissociation. Communists don't like me, I don't like communists, the easiest and less conflicting path would be to segregate but then Communists are not really happy with that arrangement are they? That's why they built the Berlin wall, because if they allowed people to choose, if they allow people to vote with their feet, everyone will vote against Communism and Communism would stop being viable.

>be bipolarfag
>depressive phase starts 3 weeks ago
>crash starts
>been drinking and masturbating all the time ever since
>too depressed to even go to gym
>yesterday didnt get the job I was hoping for

this is one of the worst months of my life, im just so fucking tired

>>7361204
Capitalism did me good. It only works if you buy at the bottom and sell at the top. Do the opposite, and you deserve your loss :^)

>>7374153
Watch Yuru Yuri, it’ll turn your mood around.

>>7361204
The worst NEET losers lost everything in their pursuit of wealth with no work are now turning to communism. Like a pottery. You deserve nothing but cruel death.

>>7364976
>im not a capitalist
>here, look at this reddit post by sargon of akkad
I hope this is bait.

BREAK THE CHAINS!

>>7361752
I’d like to dedicare this next one to my soon-to-be homeless crytpo bretheren:

”Are you poor, forlorn and hungry?
Are there lots of things you lack?
Is your life made up of misery?
Then dump the bosses off your back.
Are your clothes all patched and tattered?
Are you living in a shack ?
Would you have your troubles scattered?
Then dump the bosses off your back.”

Who knew there are so many class-cucks on this board.

>>7365610
Except for the communist party, my comrade

>>7362090
Everyone likes to think that they are the standard

If you think socialism is not a left-libertarian philosophy you can FUCK RIGHT OFF, THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR YOU

GO JACK OFF ABOUT VENEZUELA ON REDDIT WITH THE BOOMERS

>>7362176
Take everything from a poor guy; he would pretty much stay the same
Take everything from a rich guy; he will make his money back
Equality is nonsense and those who preach know themselves to be weak

>>7375180
l saw the seaman standing
Idly by the shore
l heard the bosses saying
Got no work for you no more

But the banks are made of marble
With a guard at every door
And the vaults are stuffed with silver
That the seaman sweated for

>>7362090
I’m not a college kid and I personally want to see a hierarchy-less classless society on the lines of anarcho-syndicalism or communalism. I wouldn’t want power over anyone and wouldn’t mind working on a communal farm

>>7361503
Science is too bourgeois

>>7375606
Lol good for you bud. I’m sure the next Stalin/Mao/Pol Pot will be very glad to have a bunch of useful idiots like you to convince others of your delusion of a classless heirarchy-less society so they can more easily rise to power.

>>7366003
I’d make her a bootlicker

>>7375829
You couldn't even get her even if you tried.

>>7375767
I would never support an authoritarian revolution like that my dude. Anarchists where the first to be killed in the Soviet Union

>>7375606
>hierarchy-less
You know that's just a meme with democracy. What actually happens is that people delegate their decisions to some well-spoken communer and simply blindly support whatever the "not leader" says.

This generates a feeling of power that is addictive and that will lead the "not leader" to act tyrannically on those who oppose him, nobody likes to see power vanishing through opposition.

This is what lead anarchists in Spain to kill each other quicker than they were killing their enemies.

KILL THE SCUM CRIMINALS IN GOVERNMENT. CLOSE THE BANKS KILL ALL THE BANKERS LAWYERS AND ACADEMICS. KILL THEM ALL

>>7375986
>What actually happens is that people delegate their decisions to some well-spoken communer and simply blindly support whatever the "not leader" says.
Nah that’s not what will happen. Governing bodies would have no mandate to make decisions themselves, and only exist to enact decisions made by communities/assemblies

>>7376129
>and only exist to enact decisions made by communities/assemblies

Which would end up in parliamentary democracy through leader figures and people's apathy and self-acknowledgement of ignorance, which is exactly what I said.

this crash is making me an unironical fascist t b h

>>7376218
Kill yourself.

>>7376182
>Which would end up in parliamentary democracy through leader figures and people's apathy and self-acknowledgement of ignorance,
But it wouldn’t end up in parliamentary democracy, rather it would turn the entire system upside down, making ordinary people in charge of their own affairs rather than having order handed down to them

>>7376254
no u

>>7376258
>making ordinary people in charge of their own affairs

That's not what democracy is though.

Democracy is majority rule. If you think people are going to engage in decisions instead of just following a "well-spoken person who seems to know what he's talking about" then you're truly deluded.

People cannot know everything about everything, some people are going to be wiser than others/more popular, if you think this doesn't lead to "bands" and conflict you're truly lost. I assume you're young so hopefully you will wake up from those beliefs.

>>7365976
full on retard for thinking his opinion is valid when he can't into argument and can't into quantitative analysis

>>7361204

>>7376364
>If you think people are going to engage in decisions instead of just following a "well-spoken person who seems to know what he's talking about" then you're truly deluded.
Not an argument
>I assume you're young so hopefully you will wake up from those beliefs.
Well I’m not exactly old but I’m willing to guess I’m older than you

>>7366003
LMFAOOO NO WAY. I matched with that bitch on Tinder and got her number.

>>7376218
But it was your facist president who caused this crash. Retard rural redneck bastard