/biz/ - Business & Finance

"Work smart not hard" is the basis of humanity's success over all other earthly species you simpleton

If anything it made me mad that whales are allowed to blatantly manipulate the market.

I thought I was all for deregulation until crypto started acting like a deregulated market. I wish there was some way to prevent this fraud.

So you'd rather like everyone as starving drunktard depressed suicidal idiots doing pointless work for pointless tiny pay with no opportunities to get rich?

biz is very slow rn... i wonder why... who could be behind it? ;)

Nice bait.

I will say that I wish it weren't possible for whales to blatantly manipulate the market. I thought I was all for deregulation until crypto started acting like a deregulated market. I wish there was some way to stop this kind of fraud.

No, a good commie is a dead commie. Always remember that faggot.

Other people where making money before crypto and started with more than their welfare check. Obviously this doesn't apply to retarded broke highschool kids.

It was always this way the neets have just shown you the truth. Before you were toiling away to make some trustfund multimillionaire who will never work a day in their life into a billionaire

You're overestimating how many of those are just larpers. if everyone was making bank off of this shit there would be a lot less blood-excreting wojacks

Anyone has a chance to make money from crypto
Its not their fault they'd pass up on the technological gold rush because it would require them stepping out of their comfort zone

Would you like it better if everyone was suicidal depressed drunktard idiots doing pointless work for tiny pay with no opportunities to get rich?

Man your perfect political system already works in real world. Just go to China and make shoes for western capitalists and get pennies from the government meanwhile they get rich and shit in golden toilets.

>>6831081
Read Gottfried Feder's Manifesto, he explains why big loan capital(such as investing in coins) is detrimental to an economy and explains why communism is not the answer to this, it's an overreaction.

>>6831117
I’m not a larper, I made mid-six figures last year (not impossible to believe, look at how many 10x coins there were last year). I am disgusted with myself. Other people work all day at terrible jobs for a tiny fraction. I hate myself, I don’t deserve it. I have 300k in VEN alone. End of this year I’ll be set for life, and for what reason? I’m the laziest person I know and I’ll be the richest. Fuck it all. I know people will hate me, and they’re right to.

>>6831081
you're an idiot

>>6831148
Fuck them, who cares. There's no reason an adult with access to the internet and even a small amount of money to invest shouldn't be looking at something like crypto. I've only just started and laziness / stupidity was the reason I didn't do it sooner. Feelsbad.

Who has ever made it in the world by being like everybody else? It’s their fault for being unable to adapt to change.

>blaming proles instead of kike bankers for making the situation this bad in the first place

Yea youre dumb enough to be a commie

>>6831081
I stopped being cryptocommunistic, when my friends started expecting gimmidats cos they know I trade

Well, crypto made me not want to work a job ever again. Even though I didn't make it big.

Nigger

With Binance opening accounts and extreme traffic to /biz/ ATM, it's clear the pump begins. The dip is over!

Coins that have been taken by the dip just at the time when they were getting a correction will be pumped the most. This is probably the last chance to get UFR.

If you're feeling the commie itch you're free to redistribute your wealth among your immediate community, of course you won't because you're just a morally bankrupt hypocrite

>>6831096
This is such an obvious CIA shill thread. Neck yourself gubment.

Nah been a commie long before this.

T. Cuban.

Bernie will give my people each 100 BTC as reparations in 2021

>>6831081

sup OP i'm already a communist, this is just my lottery ticket since as we all know winning a lottery or being born into a wealth is the only way to escape wage slavery in this system

test

>>6831081
test

Crypto just made me want to murder communists even more.

>>6831111
Quads of Truth

>Converting fiat into crypto doesn't help developers get the funding they need to create dapps

Holy shit. I understand that you don't want to understand, but why do you think that this is a 0 sum game?

>>6831081
test

>>6831081
lol
so, you want everyone to be working their calloused fingers to the bone for pennies, to no ultimate avail? you're pissed off that everyone on earth with an internet connection has the ability to make lots of money and do with it what they will, and you're whining that people are taking advantage of that?
you do realize that, because of the unregulated crypto markets today, these next few decades are gonna be some of humanity's most prosperous, right?

>>6831096
fucking lel
if you're so monumentally bad at trading that you can't even time bots run by whales, then you absolutely deserve to be completely and totally penniless for the rest of eternity within seconds of FOMOing into the peak of the last-ever confido pump, and forced into such historic poverty and slavery that while the rest of the entire world is heading to andromeda aboard vessels powered by ethereum and sipping champagne from chainlink-encrusted diamond flutes in celebration of their ability to—at the very least—hold, you're the only one left who has lost his entire initial investment of $209.60 (chad's lunch money), and because of the heart-wrenching guilt that you feel from having been the only one ever who sold on etherdelta at the equivalent of less than 0 sats, you feel it appropriate to wear air-thin banshee rags and wither away in arbitrary existential limbo for the rest of your life
you're a disgusting, arophied, dark-skinned old cobweb-infested house slave
get back inside of your tiny, dusty, dark cuck cubby under the unused staircase in the collapsed house of the enraged disembodied souls of your dead slavers who still force you to clean up their messes after they died in their sleep from the smell seeping from your tire-hard skin, you toothless toby wannabe with no job, no crypto, and no black heritage
the malnourished spiders are waiting to feed on the mites that cluster through the trenches along your one dying old woman arm
market sell all of your crypto, NOW

Test

Testhshbs

You can't turn me into what I already am.

>>6831081
>wahhh I didn't make any money off crypto so now I want everyone to have the same amount of money because it's just not fair!

Go fuck yourself.

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>>6831081
>implying this isn't the case of Peter Thiel, Warren Buffet, facebook early employees, and many other well known rich investors whose merit was just being early, at the right place at the right time, just that it worked with stocks instead of crypto

>Believing in Judeo-Bolshevism, the great destroyer.

Nah.

>>6831081
It's literally impossible for crypto to turn somebody into a communist. Crypto is the free market banking system which is absolute cancer to Communism. Which is why every country that Bans crypto is communist, one step away from communism, or deeply rooted in communism.

>>6831148
Who the fuck cares? Hard work is only one way to make money

there's nothing wrong with this, it's simply economics.

>>6832810
kek, 10/10

kys you fucking commie
>>>/pol/

I was already a communist. Crypto redistributes wealth from Silicon Valley venture capitalists to some of the most marginalised members of the proletariat - the NEETariat.

>>6833082
Crypto is cancer. A good example of why unregulated markets are self destructive.

>>6831081
>communism
ah, the ideology of the perpetually stupid, inferior and jealous people who would live in the dirt in any other political/economic system too.

in communism, at least, the ones who are better than you, have to grovel in the dirt, just like you, huh, OP?

Man there's a huge need for helicopter rides in this thread. Someone make a coin for that

So, a world where automation is making it so our hand work is not necessary anymore and the realization that jobs in the future will be all about proper allocation of wealth from home is making you go full retard and claim life shouldn't be easy?

Sounds like the usual communist.

>>6833710
kek if you think the gains of automation are going to benefit humanity under capitalism. tell that to the 1 billion people living in slums as a result of enclosure in the third world. tell that to the 30-soon-to-be-40% of american workers working shitty temp service jobs. tell that to the lowering life expectancy, daily protests, rising political radicalism (fine by me), foreign strife (iran, tunisia, congo, cameroon, i could go on)

the reason why we're communists in the first place is to open all the technology, all the infrastructure, all the education, everything that we've accumulated over the last 10,000 years to help people live as they wish. you want to go be a desert nomad? go live in the desert. you want your nuclear family? make it happen. you want to fuck as many people as possible? go right on ahead. under capitalism, you cannot do that. the whole point of communism is to open up the flood gates of human life, let people live how they wish and organize themselves.

>>6834503
>kek if you think the gains of automation are going to benefit humanity under capitalism

They already are, my job is viable thanks to automation, without it we'd all be planting crops to survive.

>tell that to the 1 billion people living in slums as a result of enclosure in the third world

I'm sure their issue is being able to accumulate capital to spend it at a later day and not oppressive regimes and sub 80 IQ, right?

> tell that to the 30-soon-to-be-40% of american workers working shitty temp service jobs

As opposed to what? When have those workers been better? Under more capitalist eras?

>tell that to the lowering life expectancy

The only lowering life expectancy is the one of commies when we start firing up the rotors.

>the reason why we're communists in the first place is to open all the technology, all the infrastructure, all the education, everything that we've accumulated over the last 10,000 years to help people live as they wish. you want to go be a desert nomad? go live in the desert. you want your nuclear family? make it happen. you want to fuck as many people as possible? go right on ahead. under capitalism, you cannot do that. the whole point of communism is to open up the flood gates of human life, let people live how they wish and organize themselves.

The reason you're communists is because you're fucking retarded and were born in commodity which lead you to believe that just like you, everyone should have everything handed to them on a silver platter.

Talk about privilege.

>this entire thread

hey look guys! another CIA attempt to protect the governme- uh, country.

>>6831108
>I wish there was some way to stop this kind of fraud.
There is. Get out of crypto COMPLETELY and head straight to the Robin Hood thread. Crypto is too dangerous for your kind.

Communist checking in. Crypto redistributes wealth from Silicon Valley venture capitalists and software engineers with too much money to the lowest of the low, the neet-proles.

>>6831096
Drop selling your weak pathetic hands to whales then.

>>6831191
But that's literally the literally the point of communism.

>>6834790
Hwat in tarnation.

>>6833634
>Man there's a huge need for helicopter rides
BUT UBERCHOPER TOKENS, THE ICO FOR PUBLIC CHOPPER-SHARING!
ONLY $1 FOR TOKEN!
TOTAL SUPPLY: 100.000.000.000.000.000.000 TOKENS!

>>6831081
Invest in communist coin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1927055.0

I was already a communist. Gotta play the game to survive so whatever. I honestly can't wait until these worthless shit tokens crash and a bunch of capitalists kill themselves.

All crypto is absolute worthless garbage. We might have one coin hang around for drug trading on the internet but the rest of this shit is going to hell and everyone deserves to lose their investments.

Until then I'm gonna make some cash off you losers.

Communists should be executed without trial desu.

>>6834762
Crypto actually trickles down?

>>6834810

We're gonna throw communists from our rockets.

>>6831081
99% of people on this board benefit from capitalism fuck face.

Now literally kill yourself.

>>6834856
b-but I want others to pay for gibs, not me.

>>6834865
Yeah, what's actually going to happen is that governments are going to lose the capacity for taxation and will need to transfer towards a service-package model which will kill communism.

But hey, useful idiots welcome.

>>6834909
BUY ROCKETSHARES!
WE WILL CREATE ROCKETS AND CREATE CITIES OUTSIDE EARTH SO YOU CAN KILL COMMUNISTS OR HAVE SEX WITH CHILDREN WITHOUT GOING TO JAIL!

>>6834503
>the reason why we're communists in the first place is to open all the technology, all the infrastructure, all the education, everything that we've accumulated over the last 10,000 years to help people live as they wish

literally how does that conflict with the aims of automation?

>>6831081

Cant seize my means of production if they're decentralized.

>>6834865
>communist
>wants to fuck people over
>insults neets who are literally the lowest of the low
>even worse than the worst capitalist shithead

what did he mean by this?

>>6835080
Automation is Good Actually as it releases people from the need for labour.

The problem in capitalism is people are commodities who, if they do not profit the capital holders in some way, are tossed to the side like garbage. In capitalism automation kills the poor. In Socialism automation liberates the worker.

>>6835130
ye I ain't here to convert you lost causes to support the liberation of the working man, I'm here to make fun of you for playing the game and thinking you're anything more than a tool for the upper classes (or a member of them yourself)

>>6835126
Marxists have lost the plot, they has no real answer for blockchain, automation, and decentralization

>>6835173
so is trading not a form of labor?

So there you have it. Crypto is poison to communism. OP probably has a corrupted view of Capitalism from years of public school indoctrination and is turning in to one. Which is good. Communism has the highest kill list of any form of government in history, not because its violent, it is but because it causes economic ruin and famine.

Op probably should kill him self just to be sure.

>>6835174

It's beautiful, isn't it?

Nearly two centuries of work deluding the working class undone by a bunch of autistic computer scientists and darknet drug traders.

>>6835219

>Economic ruin and famine
>Primary vehicle of murder under communism

Someone has actually done their resaerch. Kudos to you, Christ-chan poster.

>>6831081
The success of others is turning you into a resentful cunt?

Colour me surprised.

Idiots can't hold onto their money, if they made it gambling they will lose it almost as fast.

Stop drinking that hate-fantasy koolaid and chill the fuck out, matey.

Communism is for dumb cunts.

>>6835192
Good luck getting a communist to understand why proper, decentralized and voluntary allocation of resources is positive for the economy.

>>6831093
What do cryptofags produce? Absolutely nothing. You are not working at all, smart or hard.

>>6835355
>>6831081

If making money out of crypto is so easy and dumb, why do normalfags lose all their saving on it instead of becoming billionaires?
This is easy no? Just tell your wageslave comrades to put their savings on it so they don't have to work anymore.

>>6835192
do you create value?

maybe if you were creating value like moving a good from one location to another

the system of investment should be abolished in favor of the workers jointly owning their companies

crypto is another deal but has few to no real practical applications. a few uses for blockchain tech itself but not for the tokens as money

Im mad because people know what to do with 10k, and I can't do anything with 100's of thousands.

>>6835355
Dumb boomer spotted.

>>6835426

What is your employment? Do you create value?

Hint: Union Organizer, Community Activist, or Student does not count.

>>6835461
yeah I prepare food for customers transforming it from raw materials to a usable product, therefore creating value

a cook and a janitor are more valuable to society than all of wall street, the investors, and banks.

>>6835407
Because they see it as a get rich quick scheme and invest their whole 401k and mortgage their homes to go all in on it. Then break at the first sight of a bear.

I only ever started to get in to it because I have a vision of a future with no banks that I want to see come in to fruition.

>>6835426
Does art have value?

>>6835480

A communist line chef, I thought I had seen everything.

I don't disagree with you on the assertion that the usurious banker class is parasitic. However, providing someone money in order to build a business is neither usurious nor parasitic. Neither is seeking a way to increase your standing in life by means of speculation.

Futhermore, you truthfully fail to understand capitalism if you think the current state of affairs is anything more than heavily state-sponsored consumerism (debt-feudalism).

>>6835572

oh yeah so it's not real capitalism huh

>>6831081
>Is crypto turning anyone else into the kind of greedy hate filled moron that actively supports the most evil and destructive political and economic system in human history?
No, OP, just faggot scum like you.

>>6835636
Go watch "Agenda: Grinding Down America", if you want to see how not real capitalism it is. Its a little old, was made in 2010 but its information is still relevant. In fact its even better now because you can see how it all took place.

>>6831148
>"I don't deserve it"

Jesus, read some Ayn Rand, bitch

>>6835667
>>Is crypto turning anyone else into the kind of greedy hate filled moron that actively supports the most evil and destructive political and economic system in human history?


Yeah it's turning a lot of people into Capitalists

>>6831081
It's turning me into an imperialist. Before I was kind of a liberal, but now with gains like these I understand why people would create enterprises like the Free State of Congo. Money truly turns you into a demigod.

>>6835636

If your wanton murder, starvation, rape, and desolation of millions of innocents wasn't real communism, then the current state of affairs isn't real capitalism, fucko.

However, I do believe that you'll find it hard to engage with socio-political ideology on a level higher than "dude dialectical materialism lmao" .

>>6835520
If the artist is well connected, yes. Otherwise nope.

>>6835713
Communist don't have money to burn. Plus they deserve helicopter rides.

>>6835480
A janitor and a cook have more value than a bank?


Lmao no wonder youre a commie you have no fucking idea what banks even do

>>6835695
or better yet, Stirner

>>6835766
>blockchain forum
>shilling for the value of banking

uh huh

(You)

>>6835899

Czech'd, Pinochet.

>>6835938
driving merchants from the temple sounds like something a communist would do desu

>>6831096
This unironically

>>6836015

Considering the fact that the bolsheviks took extreme pleasure in murdering every outspoken religious leader they could find during their rise, subsequently suppressed any expression of religion, and embarked on a 75 year propaganda campaign to destroy Christianity, and to a much lesser degree Islam, I think you really need to reevaluate your choice of words.

Ultimately, you should at least read the works of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Perhaps the Kolyma Tales if you want a view of what happened inside the camps.

>>6835174
They haven’t lost it, they never had it. Marxism is a garbage ideology that gets parroted by self important assholes and first year social studies majors. Communism offers nothing to the working people except for empty promises, meanwhile The Party quietly start executing any dissenters and “re-educating” everyone else. There is no bridging the gap of class divide, they simply create a new upper class of Party bureaucrats. Communism is a blight upon this earth and has brought nothing but ruination to countless innocent people and families. And I’m not defending crony capitalism outright either, they are two cheeks of the same ass.

>>6836135

Woke.

>>6831183
this, if anyone wants to learn about crypto they easily can look at all th papeets. fuck communism it's authoritarian insanity involving the government controlling your society in the name of "equality" it's the worst of a bad bunch

Crypto is the only way NEETs can beat the jews without having to actually work as a slave under them. Now you see the fucks FUDing the shit out of crypto and saying they're going to "regulate" it. This is just wealth redistribution to people who have been marginalized by society, rather than continuing to go to the fat cats at the top who don't need anymore money.

What /biz/nessmen do is allocate resources efficiently. If we don't buy up undervalued assets and sell them when they are overvalued, we lose money.
What we do is extremely important. In a system that allocates resources inefficiently, like Venezuela, everyone starves.
So, yes embrace communism. If you weren't thriving under capitalism, how will you thrive in a system where there is even less. The only people who are doing well in Venezuela, are crypto investors. As such, we'll survive better than most even under communism.

Anyone else looking forward to give commies and fascist their well-deserved free helicopter ride?

>>6836611
They will give them selves free helicopter rides though. They are the first ones in line, everytime. Who the fuck would want this in their society?

>>6831127

I'd rather everybody's needs be met instead of multi-national corporations practically owning nearly all means of production in order to benefit a select few CEO's at the top and to create a scarcity of resources mentality in the public to line the pockets of dipshits who make millions of dollars while I make $14/hr doing hard manual labor.

Capitalism is a fucking meme dude and everybody knows it. I don't hate on the guys who manage to get Rich but god damn very few do.

I find it hard to believe that it's simply because most people are retarded. More like a small group of elites own this whole fucking joint. Ain't no changing it either. Sucks.

>>6836925
The great thing about ancapistan is that there will be no central authority to take care of these degenerates. They'll either have to embrace capitalism in order to survive, or resort to breaking NAP, thus giving us casus belli to kill them.

>>6835355
Those NEETs were among the founding fathers of an alternative to fractional reserve banking and the debt slavery that comes with it.

>>6837024
Do you fancy free helicopter rides?

>>6837172

Yes. Sure. Wouldn't nearly anybody? I don't see your point, however. Care to elaborate?

>>6837024
Well faggot guess what
1. Multinationals are not as profitable as they used to be (the ones with western presence) in comparison to their nativist small business counterparts
2. “CEOS” are not the 1%. They are middle class people that serve in roles varying from small to 1 billion market cap businesses / corporations, meaning they represent every class
3. “CEOS” are just executives. Not directors or shareholders. They are not the 1%, that is not how corporations work

Does that help you? Fucking brainlet

>>6837024
>I'd rather everybody's needs be met
Does that include niggers? Why should I be forced to subsidize their existence?

>>6835426
Swing traders help to stabilise the fluctuations in the price of goods and money. Traders looking to multiple there capital by investing, helping developers gain the capital to buy expensive facilities that raise the efficiency of production.

>>6831093
No it's not

>>6837279
then what else is a director?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_(business)

>>6837279
Again, I don’t think I got the point across. You saying that you hate capitalism Bc of CEOs of multinationals is like me saying I dislike the entire UK government Bc of the meter maids who run the show

>>6837388
Someone who isn’t a fucking executive
Wikipedia
Top kek

>>6837279

Top kek

Middle class people? You're delusional buddy if you think Jeff Bezo's is middle class. His net worth is over $100 BILLION USD.

The CEO of google? Nearly 200 million.

CEO of FedEx? Worth over $10 million USD. That's not middle class fucktard.

Don't have a problem with small business owners growing their business to the point where they can keep up with the corporate Jew, I have a lot of respect for those who can manage that and pay their employees a livable salary, but otherwise, it's foolish to say that CEO's of corporations are middle class.

By no fucking means is anything over $1 million USD annual net worth middle class. That's just not accurate.

>>6837069
Except it's in no way an alternative.

>>6837427
Hurrrrrr I listed 3 extreme cases out of several billion companies Bc I’m a mike Rowe tier wagecuck with absolutely no knowledge / experience of corporate upper management

>>6837395

I don't hate it simply because those positions and organizations exist, I hate it because they are in and of themselves self serving organizations that value profit over people. Period. Corporations are a machine. They don't care about you. Me. Or anybody. All that matters is profit.

Ancaps are in love with this idea that if the government would just step out of the way of big business, the world would be a better place. Maybe it would. I don't fucking know, I'm not a communist or an economist or expert on anything. But I don't see how they wouldn't just rape the public at large harder than they already do without what little government intervention we do have left.

Trust me, I'd love to have socialism, probably libertarian socialism if we could, but so long as people hate each other over race, greed, and seek more power and/or control, we'll never see that either.

I don't think Socialism could work, but if I had a say in what I'd like to see in the world? I'd like to see everybody taken care of without people blowing each other up over some false god or over the earths resources because nations and corporations pit us against one another.

k... just bought 100k commiecoin

>>6837580
>But I don't see how they wouldn't just rape the public at large harder than they already do without what little government intervention we do have left.
You have it the other way around, brainlet. Crony capitalists are able to rape people not in spite of government, but BECAUSE of it. Read a book. Just not Das Kapital.

>>6837580
I’m not even going to reply to this. The absolute state of biz

>>6835407
Making money is not creating value. If you knew anything about economics, then you'd understand that the goal to just make money is not a long-term one. You never sacrifice productivity for quick profit. Because money is not an actual wealth and it's not supposed to be.
And you were making money in a game where it's almost impossible to lose, at least for a period of time. And even normalfags were making money on it, why the fuck are you lying? But this unlosable game is not endless, anyone with at least bit of brain can understand it. Are you smart enough to know, when to get out? I don't think so.

>>6837580
Ok I’ll bite once

State of nature: people are greedy, selfish, self serving

Corporations: I exchange value so you can be greedy, self serving. In exchange, you forgo being greedy and self serving in order to produce value for the corporation

The corporation then sells your labor (what you created by being self-less) to people who are being selfish. However, in order to consume, said persons must also produce value, thereby indirectly providing you with goods and services stemming from their inhibiting their selfish, greedy tendencies.

Without corporations engaging in this process of peacefully forcing people to act in a selfless manner, you’re being fucking skinned alive and boiled to be eaten during a famine (what’s going on in Venezuela)

>>6837755
>However, in order to consume, said persons must also produce value
Or claim benefits.

>>6831081
>He believes in the values of work in 2018, in a technological and automated world.

Kill yourself you belong to the past faggot

>>6837771
That’s the issue with redistribution. It requires either an ethnic or cultural basis for those types of benefits, thereby requiring violence both to redistribute and to oppress people who are not in that ethnic/cultural category

>>6837755

I'd get into this with you but I have shit to do. I appreciate the reply.

Good luck with your crypto you beautiful pro ancap bastard. Watch out for the corporate Jew

>>6837893
Yes well hope it cleared up very popular misconceptions you should read about free market anarcho communism / mutualism

>>6837342
>1000 dudes shovel holes for 60 years
vs
>2 dudes study, read books and build an excavator, duplicate it and now 50 dudes with excavators can do the same thing in 5 years