/biz/ - Business & Finance

first for /pran_short/

I'm patiently shorting PRAN until the end of the day or I bank some gains whichever comes first.

Anything looking good to hold for a few weeks?

>>65921
KO is a good buy.

>>65903
How do you fail at copying?
The OP is right there on the previous thread, faggot.

>Trading Hours
Monday - Friday
0930 - 1600 EST
1430 - 2100 UTC

>Babby's first stock
http://www.investopedia.com/university/stocks/

>Previous threads
http://archive.foolz.us/_/search/boards/biz.dev.foolz/text/Password%20%3A%20merchant%20/type/op/

>>65941
ctrl + c/v is difficult to master..

come on apple, go down

Next time PRAN goes above 35.1% its time to short

>>65952
>betting on apple going down

can't die, won't die

>>65952
The rumour has apple and tesla linked. Basically, I'm waiting for the news of tesla's financials tomorrow... when it comes out if they're not what the market expected then I'm selling both.

>>65967
can anyone explain what apple wants with tesla? or vice versa?

are they planning on building an iCar?

>>65965
it will go down once they release the iPhone 6 (I mean 5S.1)

also, can you not buy on margin in this game? da fuck

How does an independent day trader possibly make a living?

Penny stocks?

>>65903
We should decide on a name for these threads.
We've had several different names so far.

>>65985
Use 25K with margin and scalp a few hundred or thousand a day

>>65985
basically capitalizing on news releases and irrational buyers/sellers

>>65985

Eh, it'd depend how much money you have to play with.

>>65985

Have a certain amount of wealth.

>>65989

Are you an Amreekan?

do you guys think this thing will close green today?

or is it afternoon selloff tiem

>How it feels to make 4k in a day

shit is unreal.. I want to sell and take some profits, but no, I am looking at the 2017 picture.

I played this in Economics class.

Certain questions

>what is a margin
>what is short selling

>>66020
Investopedia is your friend.

>>66023

close green

>>65980
Apple could buy Tesla 100 times over. Not so much the other way around.

I don't know the answer to your question as to why they'd want to buy Tesla, but whatever the reason, they have one common denominator, which is build quality.

>>66019
what brokerage do you use?

>>66020
margin is your bank/brokerage loaning you money
short selling is betting on a stock to go down and then buying the stock at the lower price

if you are asking these questions, bro, stay the fuck away from margin accounts

>>66023
green
What does Ukraine have to do with it?
They don't have any economy at all.

>>66050

Russia

>>66101

I hope you don't mind me asking but are you circumcised?

>>66021
Yes I am

Dat PRAN

what do

>>66104

PRAN HAPPENING

>>66108
wat

>>66109

I'm now shorting 5000 NSU to bet against you

>>66129

Your penis.. is it circumcised?

>>66121
>>66104

Waaay too volatile to end the day near that

I reckon it'll end just over 9.20

>>66036

>based tesla market cap of about 24B
just to clear this up...imagine this.
assuming zero premium, i.e. Apple buys all shares at current market price, which is insanely unlikely, Apple could only buy about 7 Teslas. Again, assuming no penalty on the repatriated funds from overseas and Apple would be willing to blow its entire iLoad on Tesla. AND assuming the market wouldn't flip out as soon as any serious chatter emerges about the merger and assign some even crazier value to Tesla, which would be inevitable considering about a third of tesla's shares are currently sold short, not to mention all the assblasted apple shareholders that would almost certainly sue the company if they made an offer for mr musk's wild ride..point being, Tesla's insane premium pretty much insulates it from serious takeouts.

tl;dr Tesla will be independent for the foreseeable future

>>66104
Is jumping around so much.

>>66023
because IT'S HAPPENING in Ukraine

>zerohedge @zerohedge 50s
>UKRAINE POLICE FORCE ATTACKING INDEPENDENCE SQUARE FROM 3 SIDES

>>66153

>shorting for literally 1-2 minutes

Oh gawd.

>>66109
Sell, jesus christ

Look at their lifetime curve, that thing skyrocketed and is now dropping hard, sell before you get fucked harder

>Upcoming Earning Reports for Major Companies

http://graphicsweb.wsj.com/documents/earnings/CorporateEarningsWSJ.html

>General Market News

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15839121

>Tesla set to report on earnings on Feb. 19th

http://www.nasdaq.com/earnings/report/tsla

>Futures:

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/futures/

>Options:

http://www.cboe.com/

>How do I into investing?

http://www.investopedia.com/

(more useful links and information)

>>66019
>I want to sell, but no, I am looking at the 2017 picture
>being this greedy

shigitron

>>66160

>no more money left to capitalize on PRAN

>buying pran at 9.8
did i fail?

>>66150
Why would Apple need to buy all the shares instead of a majority?

>>65967

>expecting Tesla to missing on earnings after reporting 20% higher Q4 sales than expected

lel

>>66194

I hope you didn't buy

I hope you mean short

Otherwise lol

>>66194
>bought

Sell it now while you're still making a profit

>>66204
What is short? I already made 10 cent per share

>>66200
let's say tsla for some reason does miss on these earnings

they're expanding rapidly in china, they have a huge waitlist for cars there

tesla is going higher

>>65967

also I hope you have a limit order to sell Tesla after hours, because if you wait until market open the following day it's going to open 10% down from the close

sell it now

>>66220
Sell it all then read this

http://www.investopedia.com/university/shortselling/shortselling1.asp

>>66195
buying a public company, which is what is being proposed, is massively different than taking a controlling stake, which I think is near impossible in Tesla due to Musk's holdings and the 1 out of every 3 shares sold short. Taking a controlling stake would be idiotic for apple, at best they could get some folks on the board, which would make any tesla/apple licensing deals subject to EXTREME SEC scrutiny, especially considering the novelty of the partnership

>>66195
Why would they want to buy a majority? They just buy a sizeable stake and they can probably get a lot of investors to go along with them...

Pran going full retard before the afternoon sell-off.

>>66245
I was thinking of actually buying a little when it was at .65, just to sell as soon as it went above .95

I really should've

PRAN at a day high

Reminder to short

>>66245
>>66248
Wish I hadn't sold the 5k shares I had at .80 now.
Something seems to be really pumping it.

>>66248

I'm so confident I just doubled my short on PRAN

I've got $183,000 shorting PRAN right now.

>>66245
>tfw S.E.C. investigates /biz/ for manipulating PRAN

PRAN sold at 10.27

>>66271
Did the exact same

Feeling a bit uneasy about it though, that's a lot of eggs in one basket

i think it's gonna close around -20 or -15

>>66269

Boom! Secondary short squeeze. Glad I recognized it.

>>65903
Is this game synchronized with the real NASDAQ?

>>66277

No way will it remain above 40% for the day into the close off one research report

That's penny stock gains on a modest priced stock

It'll come crashing, patience dear boy :)

>>66287
yes--all the markets in real time

>>66189
It's entirely plausible this fucker drops to 40 and wipes out my entire gains and takes away my margin account.

That is just a risk i am going to have to take if i want to be rich. Not selling until margin call or 1000 dollars. that's just the way it's gonna be. Actually in hindsight I may strategically buy some puts to insure myself against just such a catastrophe before earnings report. H8 to waste that good green on insurance though.

>>66043
TD ameritrade

>>66020

>what is margin

get out

>>66293

Go hard or go home

>>66290
one report on their one drug in the pipeline

still, though, it seems pretty important if it makes it through, which might be a longshot

>>66290

>No way

R.I.P. to any trader who says those words

PRAN back in its short zone. Close above 10.51 and I'd bail, but looks beautiful to me for a short right here.

>>66303
Sup Gamma

>>66303

>dat name

As do I.

>ouch!

PRAN FUCK FUCK

PRAN just dropped below 10

How low are you waiting before selling?

>>66303
>No way am I going to get rich by quitting my day job and get rich trading.

See, it's possible.

>>66303

We shall see this afternoon

>>66321

Hold your nerve, it'll fall.

Is it practical to make a living day trading like this if you had a substantial sum of money like $100k?

>>66303
you should join the /biz/ game if you haven't already

i know you were kicking ass in the /polse/ one

>>66323

>real investor's face when

>>66338

If you don't blow up and you have 1 year of living expenses saved up.

I shorted PRAN at 10.21, but it executed at 10.05 :(

>>66310

Hey

>dat natty gas move

>>66338
it's possible

depends on what your standards of living are, though. could you be happy living off 20K?

>sold at 10.13
>10.28 now

>>66293
>bulls make money
>bears make money
>hogs get slaughtered

for every 1 person that banks absurd gains on one position, i would bet 10,000 get wiped out. Solar trades together pal, one sentiment shift from failure

Discipline trumps conviction everytime

>>66350

Most likely not.

How are some of you able to day trade then in the real world?

PRAN meets primary (safety & tolerability), secondary (efficacy) falls short. Stock up 40%. "Safe but doesn't work"???

Something is manipulating the fuck out of this stock, happy to be shorting it though.

How can it possibly sustain until more news in March?

>>66356
Europoors loling their asses off I'm sure. Saw that shit going down Monday.

I hate that Marketwatch doesn't allow for after hours. Trading.

Also is /econ/ dead?

>>66375
I'm guessing it will adjust at around $8-$9 until March

>>66375
So you're going to hold on to it? Is it a mistake to cover at the drop later today?

>>66382

Which is good for shorts, bad for longs unless they cash out pretty soon

PRAN approx $4.4M qtrly burn rate and ~$19M cash @ 395.94M cap & 14m volume

Someone is avin a laugh

>>66341

>you should join the /biz/ game if you haven't already

I'm in and getting rekt.

>>66315

>As do I.

It's not fun it your aren't on the seat of your pants!

>>66376
seems pretty dead to me

>>66355
what do you recommend i do, move some more fslr to tan or exit the solar sector partially. I'm 1000% convinced solar power is going to be enormous in the next few years and i am willing to put even my own life on the line under that conviction it is so solid.

I have researched a number of companies and saw the most promise in fslr for the low Garnette materials cost and extremely low valuation in relation to earnings growth and sales.

Only way his doesn't work is a freak event. my opinion.

I'll let the more experienced traders sit in the middle. perhaps past errors have scared their confidence in themselves.

Good morning everyone.

when im buying and selling, whats the difference between limit and stop?

>>66390

No, I am dumping it as soon as I make some decent money which will be this afternoon

I'd advise you to do the same

Look at it again tomorrow if you want but don't hold it overnight, too volatile.

>>66408
Do you even PRAN?

How to buy stocks?

Whenever I click on a company it just redirects me bback to Market watch.

PRAN is fucking nuts. I'd stay away if I could, this won't end well

>>66395
Ah... Sad to see that. Wonder how long RR will pay to keep it alive.

>>66398
>holding DGAZ
Quite the ride... Inb4 April Nat Gas causes a nice spike

>>66408

Oy gevalt, Mr Rothschild

>>66408

>SLW

All the people that took my advice and bought HZNP just made $$$

>>66409
this

>>66421

Short itttt

43.28% in one day is all kinds of bullshit for such a shit company

>>66431
I'm shorting the shit out of it nigger and I'm already losing 800$ fuckkkkkkk

>PRAN
>$10.36
welp

PRAN man... what the hell.

>10.45
>44.14%

What the fuck

Just what the hell

>>66431
welp

>>66436

Hold your nerve.

People are pumping it before the dump at the close.

43% in a day? fuck off.

>>66428
>Limit
That's basically I want X shares at Y price and it wont get filled unless there are enough shares at your preferred price

>Stop
Basically a auto-sell safety feature. If you've made money then move up your limit stop to secure gains. If the stock price hits your limit stop then BOOM, it will autosell

>>66440
>>66437
>>66436
>>66431
Told you guys, looks like a nice healthy bounce. Wait until the candlesticks give you a clear sign to short. Today Bulls are winning

>>66431
It keeps on rising. Loss of 2k on it by shorting too early. The fuck is going on with it.

Guys I'm scared

>>66414

>Ah... Sad to see that. Wonder how long RR will pay to keep it alive.

It just fizzled, damn shame.

>>66453

I'm -10,832, hold the line.

PRAN is ending the day at new highs.

>buy to the sky, nigga

Is it possible to setup the website to automatically buy and sell?

>>66455
>>66457
>>66454
>>66453
>>66447
>>66440
>>66437
>>66436
>>66431
it's going down or so it seems

>>66436
>>66431
You guys are honestly shorting something just because it goes up a lot? i don;t really understand this is it just a statistics thing.

Fuck I just bought 8000 shares of PRAN and I meant to sell short but actually bought them. Lost $500.

>>66470
Cut it, it'll keep going down.

>>66457

Never close out a short unless you're sure, don't panic, wait it out.

>>66484

The only reason it's going up is 1 research report which said their product was safe but DOES NOT WORK

There is no reason for it to be as high as it is

The company is not even particularly good fundamentals.

>tfw i made 400 in 5 seconds
>PRAN 10.30 -> 10.38

>>66484
Its a good idea. Short things that make extreme moves in either direction. I bought TWTR after ER @50$ a share and sold at 54$. Just scalping extreme moves

>>66483
Maybe

>>66475
Yeah, I wonder if the Skype group is still active

>>66484
over 40% in one day, that's insane and has to come with a drop

>>66483
Just look at the graph for the last 5 days, it has skyrocketed fryday and has to go down at some point. I just hope we don't have to wait days for it, but it WILL go down eventually, just wait

>>66495
This, it's going to drop heavily, get out while you still can.

>>66484

There is a type of trading called 'mean reversion'. Based a bit on statistics. But as keynes said 'the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.'

>>66495

Enjoy your new long-term short position.

>>66495
but it's market cap is only 400m dollars. Lets say they actually just invested something extremely useful and some fag like phillip frost decides he wants a piece of the action. he will rape every short that enters 10x then rape them again until he has no money left, which will be forever becasue that fucker loves biotech stocks and has billions.

>>66498
10.48 now :) should have waited

>>66482
set your limit and buy stop prices

good until canceled etc

>>66455

When should I sell man, I am getting scared.

I wasn't going to give in and buy volatile stocks but it seemed too good to be true.

BTW this is my first time trading.

>>66519

LOL see >>66511

>>66531

>posting what stocks you are holding

>>66524

Unquestionably we are seeing a short squeeze

But 45% in one day? lolno.

What is the fucking obsession with PRAN?

>>66528
How?

>>66399
I'm with you on solar, but while the entire sector trades together, it is pretty specialized now. TAN is a diversified approach but dem fees. FSLR is in the utility/large scale business and is levered to their pipeline projects. SCTY is more of a residential play and isn't levered to large scale adoption, but rather to wealthy consumers switching over which will happen independently of the large scale success. I like SPWR, their founder and CEO pretty much wrote the most important treatise (look up Swanson's Law) on the adoption of solar power and has been in the biz since all these guys were trading on the pink sheets.

I really like WM here on this pull back after earnings today, as most people don't know this, but they generate more power than the entire US solar industry by themselves through neat-o alternative energy and pay a fat dividend. again, i'm bullish on the long term solar play. but it is probably a good idea to diversify energy companies, as a lot of the money that pumps up solar when it is fashionable comes from mo-mo traders looking to score fast.

seriously though, read Swanson's paper

Hmm, watching actual orders

Real short orders coming on now for PRAN.

I'm guessing the firms are now moving in expecting a fall :)

>>66524
this.

a promising drug that treats huntington's and/or alzheimers? you can bet your ass they're going to attract a lot of love before entering the next phase

>10.55

Why are you guys so obsessed about that PRAN stock and why exactly do you think it's going down?

For starters, when a stock is going down the highs are lower and lows are lower, this stock has yet to have a lower high or lower low.

I'm currently in it with a 700 shares, entered at 10.01

>>66431
You guys do know the... reason why it's gone up, right?

http://seekingalpha.com/news/1573781-prana-touts-phase-ii-results-of-huntington-drug-shares-surge

Pharma companies when they get close to the release of a drug go up massively.

>>66562
Thanks friend i will do that. First useful post today.

>>66576
>10.62

>>66573

Yes.

However the report says the drug didn't work but that it wasn't dangerous

>>66567

I'm just seeing people flip out so I bought 1,000.

Massive short squeeze going on after brokers upgraded the stock.

Be patient.

Feel when made 2k off pran in 2 minutes.

YES ENTERED TOP 10 THANKS TO PRAN!!

>>66563
uh huh what broker do you have that tells you when shares are being sold short?

I should've bought PRAN at 10, fuck

IS PRAN CRASHING NOW?!?!

Has anybody watched this series on KhanAcademy? Is it any good?
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/core-finance/stock-and-bonds

>>66625
Link?

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=pran

hold on guys

>>66573
>>66567

>playing FDA roulette and being a daytarder with some garbage

>actual investing and getting rich

pick one

>>66552

Yeah, I know it was stupid.

I think imma sell when it hits $11.

>>66610

Watching the actual orders and my broker forum where everyone is going apeshit over PRAN

>>66564
oh I'm sorry what credentials do you have to assert that this drug is actually promising and not destined to be a failure like most other drugs that attempt to break into the market?

ohhhhh right the ceo sounded "confident" on the conference call. gotcha.

>>66625
bullshit. you don't have access to an actual order flow.

>>66618
not so fast

>>66589
this is the potential of /biz/

looking forward to the community here, best of luck to you friend, signed the sloth

>>66651
FUCK FUCK

yissssss going downnn niggers

FUck just bought PRAN instead of sell short again lost 10000 this time.

If quints PRAN is ded

>>66658
fuckkkk
up againnn

It needs to go above 10.60 so i can make money

>>66666
shheeeeeiiiiiiittttttttt

Is PRAN finally reliably dropping? I just want it to go below 9.70 so I can get the hell out.

>>66666

Time to sell.

Lol at everyone shorting PRAN ITT.

hey dipshits

if you want to keep making your ticker go up you have to keep buying it with irl money

thats how the game works

Volume falling

Proof in my mind at least that we just saw a nasty short squeeze.

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME??!? YOU CANT CRASH NOW!!

>10.28
yes, continue

>mfw

>>66677
>>66666

Volume building as price falls.

I doubt it's going lower than $9 today

>>66720

Verrry unlikely

But high 9s low 10s will do.

If you plan to be long PRAN tomorrow, buy as it falls.

>>66709

>over 10,000 stocks

Rest in peace.

>>66709
i have no face

>>66623
Buddy/friend/pal, I make money.
This trade landed me $350, I've made $570 today, and similar amounts almost daily for years.
This roulette of yours seems to be broken.

I have a separate account for swing trades, btw.

Fuck PRAN is going up

>>66726
-10k

Don't give 2 fucks.

>>66726
loosing 5000 in a day on a short... impressive. Do you have any stop loss in mind, or is this fill or kill situation.

>>66726

You're such a fucking tard.

Tears are coming down my face.

PRAN is just fucking bouncing these passed 10 minutes

Now everyone who bought PRAN on the run up is losing money. The market is a devious whore that'll fuck you every which way.

>10.13

>>66750
#yolo

I'm 33 now and tha'ts after fucking up twice and buying instead of selling short.

>>66768

Because lolbiotech.

>>66756
>BUY HIGH
>SELL LOW
Yes, yes, YES! What good goyim.

Why the fuck is everyone playing PRAN?

>>66756
>>66763

On other topic, what's going on with CISCO?
It's been down all day

>>66709
Thinking about selling the rest of my stock and throwing in more money at PRANA now when it's around 10.20.

What do you think about my plan?

>>66768

Newfags are running off of hype.

>>66756
Wouldn't have it any other way.

>>66785
You are just mad that you missed the great PRAN crash of 2014.

>>66763
>>66684
>all these assblasted fake daytarders trying to game shit otc pharma with fake money
>"investing"

stay pleb

>>66772
>Biotech
>Not riding ONVO

>>66782
Ah... They're about to learn a hard lesson about buying without researching

>>66779
It'll will be below $10 some time soon, maybe tomorrow. Don't do anything drastic just yet

>all these people who even went near PRAN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD6AfcoG4o8

>>66756
I just want it to drop since I shorted at $9.95 right before the short squeeze.

>>66776
did you see that quarter? im still amazed it's above 20, buyback/dividend literally the only thing keeping this giant from cratering

>>66800
It's fake money man, chillax, I'm just using this as a test run to see what are good/stupid moves before I graduate and start my portfolio. I admit jumping in on the hype is stupid, but it does look promising that I'll make some good amount of money

>>66800
wow look at mr. buffet over here

thanks for gracing us with your presence

>>66768
I think it is just exciting with the large move, especially all the fig newtons using some proprietary quant software are on it, because the impossible is happening ect.

it moves, it draws a crowd and everyone can talk about it and make and loose fortunes in minutes. Same thing with doge. On the other side fslr drawing unusual social media activity as reported by the street. That is a good sign imo, means the pump has just started on public, I am ready.

"Trade-Ideas LLC identified First Solar (FSLR) as an unusual social activity candidate. In addition to specific proprietary factors, Trade-Ideas identified First Solar as such a stock due to the following factors:"

>mfw noone else invested in AMKR

Is there any chance that PRAN bounces back up?
Considering buying now that's gone long way down

10.06 PRAN

>>66798
Nah, I'm enjoying my crash in DGAZ

>>66816
>Solar
I'm worried after Obama leaves office a lot of Solar wont get all that glorious subsidy money anymore...

BELOW $10

>>66827
Lost 15k so far

>>66826
Who knows? This shit is volatile. I just want out at this point.

>>66829
>>66830
shut the fuck up this guy is right and this thread is embarrassing. people are flipping the fuck out because numbers are going up and down and not only do they not have a single clue as to why, but they don't even have skin in the game.

>>66832
I'm Selling short from before when it was dropping at around 10.40. Also fifth now.

>>66835
nvmnd still going down, and I'm +1k up for shorting

looks like a $9.60ish close, it's got support around high 8s and low 9s

HOLY FUCKIN SHIT NATURAL GAS

SHIT SHIT SHIT

BRAKING NEWS: Emergency message US Embassy Kiev to Americans: Remain indoors. Ukrainian Security "may take extraordinary measures"

is Ukraine considered an EM? don't they have large mineral deposits?

>>66859

Top 3 grain producer. They fed the Red Army.

>>66852
yes, these people are learning

that's what /biz/ is for

what's embarrassing are anons coming in and waging cock-measuring wars over a fucking game

>PRAN goes below 10
>instantly skyrockets

I guess everyone was waiting for that moment to buy hard

>>66859
Sell short your PRAN now it's rising again

>>66852
>implying there aren't people here with money in this
>being mad that /biz/ is talking about /biz/
>>>/pol/

>>66884
I would of done that myself if I wasn't stuck with the short I made with it earlier.

>>66840
>Obama

>leaving office

>Republican getting elected

pick none

no but seriously.. 2016 is all the time I need. I think without subsidies 2015 is fine. This is a parabolic chart if I ever saw one reading up on swansons law now. I mean even china is hot on the global warming trend. Follow the Chinese I say

just opened a position in UGAZ
irl

am i about to be reamed?

PRAN IS GOING UP MOTHERFUCKERS!!

>>66904
chart looks good but why do you fuck with 3x etf's i do not understand. You are giving the house a massive advantage in return for some margin. Just get a margin account.

>>66892
I know Hillary is going to win.. It sucks..

Only solar company I've "Invested in" was like 500$ throwaway bucks into Hypersolar

>>66904
http://www.investing.com/commodities/natural-gas-streaming-chart

Resistance at 5.5$ looks like..

whats the delay on trades in this game?

>>66912
SolarCity... or whatever Elon Musk's solar company is, might be a good choice to hold if someone wants into the solar shit

>>66892
muh figga

>2014
>investing in solar
>not reading Swanson/understanding scientific revolutions

i....i...guess people like staying poor

>>66904
good fucking luck. people want to say /NG is going higher because its been cold, but the demand is growing.

I really believe nat gas is going through the ceiling.

>450 players
>ranked 30
H-how bad are you people?

>>66927

Are you high?

>>66943
Went from 9th to 300th thanks to PRANA

Off topic but does anyone know anything about the Honda Crosstour. Currently looking for a family car and I like that I actually fit into this "sedan".

Currently being a Jew and pitting 3 dealerships against each other for lowest price (such lulz whenever your attorney wife gets everything in writing when they try to say your numbers are BS)

>>66938
>Elon Musk
I wish I could do IRL business with the guy...

>>66918
i'd rather not fuck with margin now, as i'm a noob

i like the volatility of these etfs

>>66949
but the underlying was up more than 7% at its high just a few minutes ago like holy shit how much volatility do you even need?

oh well give your money to credit suisse get suisse'd see if anyone cares

>>66943

Lose $100 and you'll be ranked 300. Give it a month to balance out, you'll be 300 soon. I thought I was hot shit like 2 days ago.

Is this Swanson's paper?

http://energyvortex.com/files/swanson.pdf

>>66912
umm.. why would you buy a penny, when there's established stuff with huge growth opportunity. What are the odds a penny can outperform a company leading in technology with GE bucks. Unless they honestly have some revolutionary technology.

From what I understand about hypersolar it's just repackaging something mundane as converting solar to hydrogen which anybody can do and pretending it's a special technology? I only spent a few minutes reading. But if someone is going to do hydrogen form solar my bet would be 99% on solar city.

apparently the canadian embassy just got seized in ukraine

HOLY FUCKING SHIT NATURAL GAS AGAIN WTF WTF WTF

>>66948
my mom and I (lel) share a Honda Crosstour, it's got a lot of room and handles good, but its blindspots are a bitch

>>66938
>Elon Musk

I am keeping an eye on SolarCity, waiting for it to drop.

>>66966
I bought in when they broke the 1.0V threshhold. It was actually an /econ/ joke investment. Thought the idea of owning 80K shares of something would be funny.

>>66979
I'm 6'5 and I enjoyed the legroom. Sales people originally wanted me to pay 37K for it. Jewed them down to 27,418 OTD hahaha.

Do you have the 2013+ with the rear view camera/side camera?

>>66978
I have a feeling we are going to test that 5.6$ barrier.

>>67000
well the volume is high.. so you got that going for you.. possible pump and dump stealth accumulation going on imo

>>67000
naw we got the '10 model, yeah 37k is a rip off

>>66966
btw, you do realize that FSLR bought all of GE's solar patents and project pipeline

playing a powerful secular trend like solar with shit otc is like using a plastic spork on a five star meal, at least go upstream with an AMAT...

>>66972
>http://energyvortex.com/files/swanson.pdf
yes, easily the most important white paper on solar in the last 20 years

>>67000
>barrier

what are you even talking about? 5.55 is where a very obvious ceiling of resistance is and thats the number you should be paying attention to.

>>67031

Thanks.

>>67029
I've been operating on the 5.60$ scale. How did you come to your ceiling of resistance.

>>67015
Wouldn't doubt it. They recently broke the 1.3v barrier.

>>67026

August 6, 2013
GE, First Solar Announce Solar Technology and Commercial Partnership

announced a technology partnership to advance thin-film solar cells and modules. First Solar has acquired GE's global cadmium telluride (CdTe) solar intellectual property portfolio, setting a course for significant advancement of photovoltaic (PV) thin-film solar technology. GE received 1.75 million shares of First Solar common stock as part of this transaction. GE has agreed to retain the shares for at least three years.

The combination of the two companies' complementary technologies and First Solar's existing manufacturing capabilities are expected to accelerate the development of cadmium telluride (CdTe) solar module performance and improve efficiency at manufacturing scale. In addition, GE Global Research and First Solar R&D will collaborate on future technology development to further advance CdTe solar technology.


i don;t see the problem honestly. they did not buy ALL their technology from GE. GE just wants to keep it's eggs neatly arranged and let fslr management excel with it's products. GE and fslr are the two technological powerhouses in thin film which will benefit with silicon prices rise which is happening btw.

i am investing on the principal that not enough silicon can be mined to satisfy the inevitable increase in demand giving thin film a large advantage and boosting fslr profit margins and sales 3x fold or more. You can stick with your waste.

>>67055
by reading the tape and watching the level II data...

nevermind though I didn't even realize what time it was /NG isn't going to get enough liquidity to matter for the rest of the day. see you in the morning.

I just keep coming up

Do you think PRAN will reach 11 tomorrow?

>>67112
draw a number line one a college ruled sheet of notebook paper and jack off on it. where most of your cum splatters is the closing price of PRAN tomorrow.

I run a hedge fund using this exact method.

>>67121
>>67134
10.50 now

>>67121
>Using cum splatters to figure out closing prices

Actual hedge fund manager reporting in. The true method for predicting closing prices is to jack off in someone's mouth, have them snowball it into your mouth and finally they donkey punch you and wherever the cum lands is the final price.

>>67068
no problem, just pointing out the obvious relationship between the companies

this is part of GE's restructuring around its core business and outsourcing its forays into new fields, I think both are fine investments.

also, waste management is one of the best ways to play your thesis of peak silicon, as they control an insane amount of discarded materials such as silicon that can be mined/processed if your argument is true

>>67112
I think everyone killed themselves for shorting it

>>67134
I made about 500$ for shorting it, I shorted too early though, someone who shorted hard when it was at the top would be ranking 1st now

>>67112
I actually invested when it was going down last time, but i decided to sell it cause people are gonna sell now thats its high

>>67112

Try today.

>>67134
>tfw had a chance to sell for a profit of like 5% back when it was at 9.63
>decided to wait for 9.60
>9.60 never came

I learned a lot from the experience though

Keep buying PRAN

>>67121
>>67143

>>67143
oh man look at wipe guys isn't he so funny how he turned that guys outrageous post into something even more outrageous?!?!

>>67144
ok well fishing silicon out of the dump is honestly the most entertaining investment idea I have heard in a long while. I am highly skeptical though. but fslr i think is investing in silicon mining as well. So either way they are going to kill it. or maybe they have plans to expand to polycrystalline as well?

>announce drug that could potentially cure alzheimers but is dangerous and barely works
>stock goes up 45% in one day
hue

>>67164

It's worse when your target price does trade but not enough volume trades so the guy ahead of you gets filled and you don't then the price runs away and never looks back.

>>67177
>Implying you could handle being a hedge manager because you have a problem with swallowing

>>67191
Isn't that what all those phone/electronic buyback programs are for?

>>67162
>adult acne

>>67164
I learned to trust my instincts and not anyone elses.

>>67031

So what is the price of PV systems right now?

>herbalife

>>67202
>>67177

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States

>>67192
>I guess the traders have a ...short memory... ahaha.. hah.. ha

>>67192
>mfw Austrians tell me the market is intelligent and doesn't run on emotions

>>67214
just started today and picked that stock, up $500 but offsetted by my shitty pran short

>>67196
depends on scale, two different markets.

large scale utility, like FSLR
residential, like SCTY

in both cases, the economies of scale and creative financing opportunities are dramatically reducing the price/watt, all of this is answered in the Swanson paper as well

>>67230
>SCTY shills try to justify their high module costs.

hue hue nah but i def would buy sum scty if it falls a little. Musk is working some voodoo with valuations i am afraid.

>>67230

His paper is up to 2002. I'm curious how his predictions played out.

I don't mind if you give numbers for both FSLR-tier and SCTY-tier.

>>67202
I don't get it are you implying I'm not good at sucking dick? because I'm about 100% sure I can suck a dick way better than you could.

I know there is a way to sell at a certain price, but can I automatically buy once a stock drops to a certain point?

>>67022
Ah in the new 2014 they have rear view camera/blind spot camera to help with that terrible visibility.

Currently looking at the V6 2014 Crosstour with the white leather interior and black pearl exterior.

These two dealerships have been bidding all weekend against each other. I wonder which one is going to lose.

>BBRY
Fuck I should have seen that one coming.
WHY DIDN'T I BUY

>>67264

because it's blackberry and it's 2014

>>67270
What you didn't hear about that new CEO everyone is hype as fuck about?

>>67264
blackberry is very volatile, just stay away from it

>>67259
I got black pearl exterior too, it's a nice colour. Wish those blind spot cameras were installed back in 2010 :(

http://www.scmp.com/business/banking-finance/article/1430296/man-leaps-death-jp-morgans-headquarters-central

>An investment banker at JP Morgan jumped to his death from the roof of the bank's headquarters in Central yesterday.

>Witnesses said the man went to the roof of the 30-storey Chater House in the heart of Hong Kong's central business district and, despite attempts to talk him down, jumped to his death.

>Shocked witness said the 33-year-old - believed to be a junior-level employee at the bank - climbed onto the roof shortly after lunchtime.

>>67285
>>>/pol/
>>>/x/

>>67264
because you're not an idiot buying last decades technology for a premium

remember, some people paid almost 100 dollars a share for that company.

Whoever is Anom Anon, and whatever you are doing, stop it

>>67257
Friend, I have major stake holdings in Lidocaine and Burt's Bees chapstick corporation, with a small investment in kneepads.

I don't think you are even in the same league as me

>>67281
They introduced them in 2013. Go pick up a 13' man. Trade in the old crosstour. Also black exterior is the only attractive color option they have imo.

Did you get the V4?

>>67285

>chinese man committing suicide

in other news, the earth is on its way to complete another rotation tonight

>>67214
>>67228

reports earnings after market close today, i believe

hold on to yer butts

>buying a pyramid scheme stock

>>67312
naw our lease is up and my mom is going to get a new car, I'm probably going to buy my own car within 6 months depending if I move into the city. I think we got the v4

>>67326
as soon as they miss one it's over for herba the rug will collapse, I would advice wait for a big earnigns miss than go all in with puts.

>>67280

>be a mobilephone company
>hire a CEO of a database company

top kek, Canada

all these retards talking about shitty stock PRAN when i've been riding JAZZ for about a year now

still a good fucking buy btw.

>>67256
again, it depends on the scale and complexity of the system, i.e. if you add battery backups, additional panels, ect. Swanson overestimated the price/watt, meaning his models are too pessimistic. The dude is probably the smartest guy in solar and is worth listening to.

>>67254
keep in mind musk's influence on the company is somewhat muted, he's only on the board. I think it is his cousin that runs it. SCTY made a deal with TSLA to use their batteries though and the two companies are targeted by the same fan-boy type of investors to a certain extent, but it is a super cool business model. Even Goldman is looking into selling residential solar-backed bonds which could really bust the whole industry open.

SCTY is a straight residential solar play that is levered to consumer spending more so than the long-term trajectory and adoption of solar as an energy source...a lot of their future is tied up in the way net-metering legislation shakes out..

>>67366

>30 times earnings
>good buy

>>67344
Ah what city are you in? I was going to buy the Crosstour since I do too much heavy driving to lease...

I'm just buying up stocks that I think will see steady increases in value this year and planning to hold them (until I see some kind of strong indicator that they've peaked). Any problems with this strategy other than that it's boring?

minutely reminder that you should invest in apple around right now

>>67385
Toronto bra

>>67269
stop limit orders can go both ways

>>67312
>tfw burts bees is owned by clorox

>>67386
nope

>>67386
That is what i do more or less. So far.. top 3. It can be exciting too.

Though supposedly the market is forward looking, the trick imo is to out look wherever the market is looking. Some stocks are very nearsighted some stocks are far sighted.

Why am I still holding on to it? I'm just praying that it drops just a little, so I don't lose more than 3% or so. Hoping for some christmas miracle in the last 30 min.

It won't, will it?

>>67421
Picture, fuck.

>>67405
>Toronto

I have family moving from there to here in Dallas. Apparently more opportunity here.

>>67412
Explains why it bleaches my lips

THANK YOU ATRM ZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZAZA

>>67385
are you still bragging about a car you dont have for kids not here yet?

>>67430

Going to 11, son.

>>67441
>Bragging about a Crosstour
No anon, I wanted to know the experience of people. How is it bragging when the car is a Honda??

And who knows when the wife will be preggers. Expecting within 1-2 years and I would rather buy now than later when the kid will be eating up the cash

>>67431
yeah toronto is over saturated with muh business degrees and such

>>67468
worst honda you could choose too

>>67430
I made a horrible mistake

>>67431
how do you have a major stake in a subsidiary of a public company?

here's what you've claimed...
you drive a crossfit
you own a large stake in a subsidiary of a public compant
you manage a hedge fund

lel wut?

PRAN WILL CLOSE BELOW $10

>>67468
your cum is probably broken and infertile.
you are mexican after all

come on pran you fuck, drop more

>>67483
>The joke

>Your head

I don't own/drive a crossfit, looking to buy. I do own a 2014 S550 and 2012 E350 (both leased).

#autism is strong in this one

>>67471
That's what they've told me. Plus apparently doctors don't make much there.

>>67487
Why is that? Mind you I'm 6'5 and I don't want to get into an SUV

>>67491
wat?

>>67486
>>67515
hehe bought PRAN at 10.28 will be millionare when i wake up

>bought DDD friday
>up almost 5% today
>short PRAN today at 10.48
>already $1,000 up on it
Fuck yeh bruv

>>67528
>after hours trades go through
>opens at $8
hue

>>67528
10.42 now. SHOULD I SELL OR NOT?!!?!?

>>67534
How has DDD been doing recently? Stopped following 3D printers since their stock crash in early Jan

Watch the Ukraine happening to get you in the right mood

Tanks in about 30 minutes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y_LFrMcoEm4

>>67548
sell around 10.50

>>67528
You dumb nigger, stocks that shoot up like that normally drop significantly the next day.

>>67560
Jokes on you, made 4k today from PRAN

>>67557
What are they even fighting about? Also bump limit has been hit

>>67391
whoops can't hear you over 7%+ today

30X isn't bad for growth if the growth is real. don't be a pussy buy a real stock.

I got 2700 short in PRAN

If it doesn't drop enough today

Do I sell it on a loss, or do I wait and see where it is tomorrow?

>>67556
It's gone up 5% consecutively on Friday and today, since they signed a deal with Hasbro. I'm going long to get in on this before 3D printing becomes a huge industry.

>>67557

what stock prices does that affect?

NEW THREAD

>>67580
>>67580
>>67580

>>67576
wait until tomorrow, your losses have plateaued

>>67570
And now you can make even more by going short and covering tomorrow.

>>67576

at what price? wait until tomorrow

>>67599
Already sold at 10.49

>>67571

Nationalists vs Communists rushing to overthrow the government and take over.

>>67581

I have no idea, I would buy mining stocks or energy stocks.

>>67571
leaders abandoned what the people wanted--closer EU integration in favor of moving closer to russia

>>67521
why not an suv

a crossover is literally all the cons of an suv and none of the pros

get a wagon or an suv, not a crossover

Is buying Coke a good deal right now?

>>67782
Because this car has the profile of a sedan. If you actually see one IRL it looks nothing like a crossover.

Plus I fit in it but the Toyota Camry and Accord don't have the same room

WHO SHORTING PRAN HERE

>>67814
ive seen them hundreds of times

I just wouldnt buy an inferior vehicle

>>67832
everyone

>>67839
>seen them hundreds of times
Where? I drove this weekend to Austin and only saw 1 on the entire trip. I saw more Teslas than Crosstours

I just want to know how it's inferior.

>>67870
dfw
DC metro
nebraska

seen hundreds

>>67903
You're in DFW?

>>67924
currently

>>67937
Me too!! What part? I'm in North Dallas about a mile away from the Galleria

>>67966
Frisco currently, have lived everwhere

if you see this you see me

dont mind the plate cover, was po's and has been removed

>>68002
I will be looking out for that car now. Frisco is a bit away though. Do you work anywhere near Dallas?

>>68058
>I work

what do you take me for, a pleb?

Im right off the tollway, so im in the closest part of frisco to dallas really

>>68089
Ah. So you're a few exits down from me. I'm mostly around the Preston/Forest area. I shop at that Whole Foods nearly every day.

>>67344
>v4
Please don't tell me you are saying the car has 4 cylinders in a V configuration.

>>68134
some cars have been produced with v4s