/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>667959
I was a recruiter for 3 years. It's meh... Decent money, but instead of staring at notepad, you're starting at monster.com.

IT sales sounds like it would be in your wheelhouse. Solid pay too

>>667959
please stop posting
>>out

>>667959

>Wolf of Wall Street

Yeah, because Hollywood is so accurate.

>>667959
>you become autistic aswell
Reading this post,I see you weren't kidding.

>>667974
Yeah good one m8 how long did it take you to come up with that?

>>667959

I got an EE degree only to find out that working in an office makes me want to jump off a high building every afternoon.

Now I work as an electrician. Less money but much less stressful too.

>>667976
Time you got a watch.

>>667959
If you can get into sales, it's highly lucrative if you work for the right company that has the right product. If you are a halfway decent developer and actually have sales ability, you'll have two chances to get into sales: firstly as a technical sales engineer and secondly as a real sales guy.

However, being a recruiter is an awful job. (I'm assuming you're talking about the drones that actually contact people looking for work.) You'll deal with some of the stupidest humans on the face of the earth and turnover is high. I suspect that there's a sales aspect to being a preferred staffing agency with a corporation and if you can get that role, you won't have to work with the stupid, just out-of-school (if they even went to school) girls who are first line agents.

That said, if you're on the corporate side of recruiting, why not just go into real sales at a technology firm? Top sales people easily make $600K or more per year. Again, assuming you work for the right company.

>>667959
engineers can get incredibly rich, but they're basically a businessman at that point, representing their firm and what not

>>667989
This guy gets it. You don't get a degree to decide that at 21 you are going to be an engineer for the rest of your life. Sometimes I think the fact that an engineering degree gets you an engineering job tricks people into thinking they "won," and thats the end of the line. Engineers are like the bottom of the ladder. You do coding and bitchwork for the lead engineer, who just does what his manager tells him, etc,etc all the way up the ladder to the CEO.

Use that degree to move up. Coders need managers and managers need to be not-autisic, but still be able to talk to engineers who are. A personable engineer is like a slam dunk to move up.

I did 3 years in electrical engineering, 2 years in engineering management, and took a job as a COO of a small (~30) company selling research equipment. Most of upper management is logic-retarded, so just being able to use excel makes me look very good. I'm probably going to try and get an MBA because I'll need it from here to move to CEO (I wish) or another COO job at bigger company.

Engineering is a fabulous start because you basically double the salary of sales people, econ, finance, teaching, etc right out of college.

kek, you chose like the most autistic and permavirgin engr discipline to go into. nuclear engineering master race

>>667963
>>667988
"Sales" as a career always comes down to what you are selling. The better, more specialized the product, the better the sales job. Any twat can sell knives door to door to consumers. Ditto for telemarketing, insurance, financial advisory, used cars, etc. On the other hand, selling specialized products and services to business clients, then cultivating those relationships into an effective network is a very impressive and rewarding line of work.

Fuck off, no software engineer calls a moniter a screen

You dont sound like much of a software engineer. who uses notepad unless they have to?

> 95% of engineers are autistic and awkward, you have very little interaction with other people day to day until you become autistic as well

Typical normalfag scum, can't handle the lack of banter

>>668037
not wall street though
made 100k my first year as an analyst

>>667959
>meritocratic careers

an elite group of people whose progress is based on ability and talent rather than on class privilege or wealth

>engineering is a shit job

someone can't hack it at a job where you have to have skills and knowledge in engineering

wants to give up and start cold calling people

>cold calling people is a skill


Namaste, broseph.

May you have luck on your side when selling to people. May you find people who need what you are selling. May the engineers behind the product give you something worth selling/buying.

You're going to need it...

>>667959
It can be good, or great. You can earn six figures. It really depends on the market your selling to, the business arrangement, and your own skills.

I'm in law school, but before this I was in sales. I loved sales, and I would suggest anyone who has a decent "set up" go for it.

>>667959

>>668305
>tfw $80k first year as analyst (with bonus), 40hr/wk.

Omaha so good.

>>668285
you spelled screen wrong. Oh sorry, I mean monitor.

>>667959

I do sales. here's the biggest thing you need to know:

If you are not a very extroverted and outgoing person (life of the party type) you will hate sales. Maybe not at first, but by 6 months you'll be begging to do something else.

It wears you down. And there's no relationship either which bothers me. As soon as you sell someone, it's just on to the next person. It's like a never ending stream of one night stands. You wine em, you dine em, you fuck em once, then never really hear from them again.

I'm middle-of-the-road with the introversion/extroversion thing, and I have really come to hate sales. But also for me, I don't really give a shit about my product, so that's a killer.

I will finish with this. To be successful in sales you must:

1) Have a great product that you absolutely love
2) Work with cool people who you enjoy seeing at work and bringing sales to
3) Love closing people

>>667959

Also if you're gonna do it, I recommend reading "selling to vito" and "the power to get in"

you can skim power to get in, shit gets redundant.

also I heard Belforts SLSS is good but I still haven't torrented it. Also he is pure scum, so I am hesitant to absorb his knowledge.

>>668037
Tell me more.

>>668688
I'm also an ambivert and it's shown in studies that we are more dependable than the total extroverts. I am thinking of sales if my IT job hunt doesn't work out. I just hope I can be at a company where I won't hate myself for selling the product.

>>667959
>I'm a software engineer at the moment and I don't get why /biz/ and 4chan in general make out like it's the best thing ever
Because most of them are retarded neets who want to sound smart over the internet. The rest are probably still studying and have some kind of superiority complex.
I know a lot of engineers (mech, petro, EE's, civil, software) and none of them are that retarded.
To them it's just a job/career.

An intelligent engineer wouldn't waste his free time on such a place as this.

>>668688
>3) Love closing people
That's the one bit I fucking suck at.
Sure I remember their names even weeks later, the little things that they hope for and dream of, hell I've even been invited to parties and go on trips. I just can't get them to BUY THE FUCKING THING!

Help me brehs ;_;

>>668829
You need to address their need. Find out why they would be interested in buying the thing in the first place and sell to their need.

Work on objection handling as well.

>>667959
I currently work at a very high tech recruitment firm in NYC, it's very much like Wolf of Wall Street. Surprisingly so tbh, I really can't believe some of the shit that goes on sometimes.

I can answer any specific questions you have if you want. I'm a pretty extroverted guy so I fit in well in the position, although I would say most of my colleagues are much more "frat-bro" than I am. Opportunity to make money is incredible, but I know that it depends on what you're selling/industry is. My friend did nursing recruitment for a year and it was shit because nurses in Queens don't make any fucking money so you can't get any markup on that. But if you're doing highly specialized IT stuff you can add a ton of markup and make really great money.

>>669032
How do you get into something like that?

>>669036
I applied to a posting they had on my university's job board, went through 4 rounds of interviews and got the position.

"Sell me this pen", role playing, had to do a presentation on my own skillset etc. Pretty standard process. I didn't know anyone or anything like that, I just got it based on my communication skills and interviewing ability.

I know your feels. Studying EE 3rd year and had my first internship recently. Holy shit I have made a huge mistake fucking fuck. I hated studying and I should've connected some dots in my head earlier.

>>668803

Yeah man. I'm happy with it.

I can spend days by myself and be happy, but also have a good time at a party or BBQ. I think the extreme extroverts are kinda crazy sometimes.

>>668829

I hear you man. If you don't really care, its VERY hard to fake it. I've def lost business cause of this

>>668815
>an intelligent engineer wouldn't waste his free time here
check that inferiority complex

>>667989
>engineers can get incredibly rich

just as anyone, I heard of a guy that baked some shit, people hooked up and he got big. being an engineer means as much as being anything else, the only difference you'll have a broader field in finding some shit that people may use, because there aren't so much engineers around.

>>668815
>An intelligent engineer wouldn't waste his free time on such a place as this.

yes I would

Thing is there seem to be some misconceptions about what an engineering career is like.

Good engineers don't remain labrats very long, the "typical" successful engineering career involves changing job every 5 years or so. As in simple engineer to project manager to dept. manager or technical sales, then on to various corporate executive jobs like marketing/production director or things like that. You're not supposed to remain technical very forever, unless you want your career to stagnate.
Even those who become so-called "experts" are products experts, not technology experts for the most part, which means the further they go in their career, the earlier they intervene on a new product.
The veteran experts in a company will only be there in the pre-conception phase to write the scope statement, then move on to another product.