/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>650347

>>650347

Fuck degrees these days lol.. Unless you want to work as a scientist or in law etc it is nt needed. You can make bank working fr yurself if you are driven enough and you wont be slaving for someone else.

Real estate for example.. The course takes like 3 days, commission is what.. Like 2.5% atm? AND get this, if you do a principal course (which means you can have yur own agency) it takes like 3 weeks.... and you can hire people to work for commission only kek, which yu would take half of just by being the principal...

That said, there is something like an 80% turnover f agents that arent aggressive enugh.. But bviously this is a decent example of people making mad money by doing a $600 course over 3 days.

The principal course takes a few weeks only.

>>650347
nurse (rn) or even simpler lpn / lvn (20% less pay and youll be stuck in skilled nursing facilities)

>>650347
>mcdonalds
Or
>walmart

>>650347
plumbers, electricians, nurses, etc.

whats your point? there are so many careers that do, i dont really get what youre saying

Police officer

$30-55k starting base. Can make $70-100k with overtime, mandatory raises and virtually impossible to get fired. Most legit departments require 60 college credits.

is being a car salesman any good? Anyone out there with experience doing that?

has anyone here made it with an associate's degree?

has anyone ever made it with it alone?

i hear about the hs graduate and the university graduate success story but never about someone who did just a CC and had a decent ride.

>>650426

Starting in the Bay Area is actually closer to 60-80k with potential for 200k+ by the end of your career.

Control room operator

>>650470
That is because California is so damn expensive. 60K in California is like 25k in Texas.

>>650495
Confirmed. Make 75k a year in ca. Only pocket 55kish. Commie niggers

>>650468
I'm gonna kick you in the face if you keep talking.

My leg twitched while reading your paragraph. You're giving off a bad vibe... put the bottle down... you don't need that.

>>650514
Shut up nigger. I make 75k a year and no degree. Fucking faggot. Check em.

>>650514
wut? extrapolate.

>>650518
yeah, but you have your HS diploma i'm curious as to people who actually GOT an AA or something like that but never proceeded past that and get by fine with that

do they even exist?

>>650466
Yes, it's great.

Did it for 3 months at Ford, made bank. Quit to go back to school (stupid fucking idea).

Assistant sales managers (~2yrs experience) make 70K plus new demos and gas/insurance.

>>650466

You can make anywhere from 30k-100k+ but you need to work hard

>>650347
Air traffic controllers. Highest pay of any traditional job without any post secondary schooling. Lots of psychometric testing and health examinations--can be a barrier. It's a very stressful job. High attrition rate. I've also heard they like to hang themselves in closets when they crack. The highest paid ones make close to 200k a year. The lowest paid one make 60ish. Median pay is about 125k. It's a difficult biz. But...if you can get into it, great.

Lots of exams too. Not for idiots.

>>650347

I've actually just applied for a letter carrier position with Canada Post. I don't have a bachelors in postal code reading and street navigation though so I hope I'll get lucky and get the job anyways.

>anons listing some jobs that do require a degree
>anons listing jobs open to people with and without degrees and mentioning higher salaries associated with them as examples of pay, not realizing that only grads matriculate to the top of those professions by design
>"you can do anything but lawyer or scientist hurr"

For some reason I get the odd feeling that many posters lack real world experience. Seems like a lot of high schoolers are talking themselves out of college based on fallacious information and half-assed research.

>>650374
Principal course? The fuck are you talking about? You mean the broker exam? That's the only way you can have your own agency.

>>650374
is it possible to sell houses during the weekends only? perhaps as a side job?

>>650632
You don't want to do that. Part time real estate agents don't make shit.

I'm a Senior Data Analyst for a major national retailer. base salary just a shave under $100k. bonuses of 10-15% annually, and I get to buy company stock at 15% off.

I have an associates of arts degree in music.

my last job was with IBM, where I was a database developer. our team lead / data architect was a high school English teacher before taking the job with IBM. probably half of the development team didn't have degrees.

you don't "need" a degree.

>>650659
How do you get a job like that with your degree? Or even without one?

>>650659
Your story sounds like total BS. Most companies don't only require degrees but also experience.

>>650597
Being a Air traffic controller is very stressful.

>>650659

you wouldn't have got your foot in the door w/o that degree

>>650374
>>650632
>>650633
Lol, reminds me of a few days ago.

>out eating sushi with my friends
>two ladies eating at the next table
>overhear phrases like "you can make some extra money"
>"it's really not that hard"
>mfw these uneducated, privileged stay-at-home moms are the ones who make commissions off of your real estate purchases

Couldn't tell if they were friends and one was legitimately trying to help her friend earn extra money, or some bitch shilling just like first post said.

>>650674
I think most part time agents are women. And most if not all of them are fucking lazy and do nothing for the client whatsoever. They're lucky if the agent even calls them back for a showing.

>>650347
WHY do you have to say bachelor instead of bachelorettes? Pls check your privilege

>>650388
>Nurses
>Dont need a bachelor's degree

you fucking wot?

>>651057
Most don't. They have an AAS in nursing that a lot of people get and then they go and take the NCLEX-RN. The only thing a BSN helps with is getting a job. But everyone's getting them now so yeah.

Anything,
Starting in sales
Certificates/nanodegree/etc
Trade

>>650347

>Physician Assistant, 2 years.
>Physical Therapist Assistant, 2 years.
>Web Designer (front-end), no degree.
>EMT, job training.
>Police Officer, job training.
>Massage Therapist, less than 1 year.
>Flight Attendant, good personality.
>Secretary, no degree.

Stop juggling decisions, choose one thing you will throw all your energy into, and do it. Don't be like a kid and decide you need to be a politician, an artist, a musician, a real estate agent, and do part-time wrestling. People get stuck because they can't commit to one thing and for how short life is, doing one thing successfully is better than several things badly.

>>650374
Depends on state, but nowhere can you become a fucking broker in 3 weeks. Three years is more like it.

Commissions in my area average around 6%. That's if you list and sell. Most agents split it because one lists and the other buys.

I'm in real estate. I make good money. You can't just walk in off the street and start an agency in three weeks, though, tard.

>>651059

not really true. BSN is the new standard and rns will be making cna wages pretty soon son

>>650466

i have a good m8 who works at carmax and has a degree but it's not necessary and he's making good money

>>651120
Good luck getting a position as a secretary (unless you have perpetually been one for the past 10+ years) without a degree unless relying on 3rd-world techniques such as nepotism & cronyism. I'm in a major east-coast metropolis, and good luck getting even an interview unless you have a bachelors degree. Despite all of this you'll still start at 11$/hr. While most of these positions do not require a degree, in the most basic sense, actually GETTING hired to do one these occupations without previous experience is like getting Codeine containing cough-syrup in this state. While it is technically Schedule V, and therefore considered and 'exempt narcotic' and can be dispensed simply by asking a pharmacist with a 48-hour limit, good luck finding a pharmacy that will actually do this, seeing as most don't even realize that they are completely in the green to do so.

This list of careers remind me of front page Yahoo click-bait quasi-news stories entitled '100 careers that pay 60k+ and require NO education!'.

As an aside,

>Flight Attendant, good personality.
On Aeroflot, an additional qualification is being named 'Elena'. Seriously, last flight to Moscow three female, one male running the cabin service, all of the females were named Elena.

>>651143

you just have to know the right pharmacies. Go to enough in any city and I guarantee you'll hit one. This is coming from someone who's had to try to stave off horrible wds and has done this several times in a few cities. It's not impossible.

>>651149
That's exactly the issue, just really using it to draw a comparison. Of course if you go to a small-town pharmacy you'll have a fairly high chance of success. Just like it's fairly easy to get a job in the surrounding area of the city in smaller towns as a secretary/medical office assistant/veterinary assistant, for a tiny office, and continuing the analogy, Walmart, CVS, Walgreens will treat you like you've come in with a forged Rx for Desoxyn, good luck getting even an interview with IBM for an office assistant without a degree, because your old teacher with a master's degree just got it. :P

Not a sermon, just some thoughts.

>>650597
I was thinking about becoming an ATC through the Army. The recruiter I talked to said guys walk out of the Army and make 120k. Guys are restricted to 40 hours per week at most, 8 or 10 hours per day, something like that.

>>650352
Underrated post

>>651140
Do you even know how little a fucking CNA makes? A BSN is just a degree. Whether you have an associate or a bachelors, you're still an RN if you pass the exam. You just make a little more with a BSN.

>>651127
What's "good money"?

>>651210
Ha no, army is salaried. You maybe work 10 hours a day, but you only get like 2-4hrs to yourself, which is just enough time to drink yourself to sleep and get 8hrs before you have to be up at 5am to get the day started again.

The only cool thing is guranteed paycheck and bennys, and four day weekends.

I would do the air force or navy, and go something that qualifies. You ain't gonna get out making 120k, unless you put in enough time to be worth that. No one enlistment guy will do that sorry.

Trust me,was in the army, besides for all the free money and drinking i did, i regret it.

Brother is in the military for the past 8 years, enlisted. After the extra housing allowances (that are not taxed) and what not he's making the most out of all of us. I think about $70k/year.

I just got my MBA if that says something.

>>650347

Holy shit I've always wanted to be a postman, alot of my town postmen are quitting because of the cold. I love delivering mail and giving people a smile seeing me deliver their packages.

Look forward to at least volunteering one day...

>>651120
Wanna know how I know you're 15?
I've never seen a more objectively wrong post on 4chan.

>>651643
He is kind of right though. You should stick to one thing. Only a fool juggles shit around.

>>650347
>get blue collar trade
>save up
>buy property
>sell property for profit
>buy more property
>keep doing it until you got enough to subdivide
>also start business in whatever your blue collar trade is
>subdivide blocks
>be a tradie
>buy a ferrari f430 by the time you are 33
and here I just outlined the story of every successful blue collar worker in Australia

>>651498
BAS is a set allowance rate
Same as BAH

8 years means on a good day your brother is an e7 making 3630 a month before taxes,

3620X12=43000

Most bas is around 350ish, and depending on location bah is usually about 1200 a month

So he really is only making 61k a year in a perfect world without taxes and other bullshit

But if you account for the benefits of free health and insurance, its not a bad gig. Except if he gets out before retirement hes either going to become a bigger welfare queen, or shoot himself in the head after drug abuse.

120,000 yr.hauling flamable liquified gasses. I work 5 days on and 4 days off. Just get a cdl and dont act like a dumb ass truck driver .

>>651643

Yea I'm seconding this anon >>651661. There is a shit ton of absolute rubbish on /biz/ but this is actually some good advice