/biz/ - Business & Finance

I think its nice to have linked in for networking purposes

but i also think employers would be annoyed as fuck by all job seeking plebs adding them on linkedin

Put your resume on it with a picture. Update when you get new jobs and otherwise forget about it. Indeed is much better for recruiting. LinkedIn is more for industry professionals kissing ass than job searching

>>634255
you have to admit all indians flooding comments begging to have their resumes reviewed is p funny. even more so when the OP gets annoyed

>>634259
>LinkedIn is more for industry professionals kissing ass than job searching
i see it more like a place where i can brag about my accomplishments. i'm vain as fuck so it's surprisingly a good motivator to complete things

It's no longer about networking in a business since.

The whole site is now Facebook for "business professionals".

Instead of posting dumb SJW shit and selfies, you just link with anyone you can and jerk off to how over inflated your job title is.

Like >>634259 said, it's a set it and forget it thing. Definitely not your first resource.

> LinkedIn in a nutshell. (for the job searcher)
"It’s an Escher staircase masquerading as a career ladder."
http://www.thebaffler.com/salvos/all-linkedin-with-nowhere-to-go

Tips:

>have a professional looking picture. Doesn't have to be a photoshoot but make sure you're dressed either business or smart/smart-casual, and make sure you look as attractive as possible in it (remember attractive people on average make more money than uggos)

>Have your current jobs, previous jobs, experiences, and some hobbies that people will like to talk about that aren't controversial (skiing is a good one, shooting or hunting is not)

>Avoid anything political

>like a few businesses of the industry you are in or want to get in, as well as liking your uni and liking some influential people within your industry (good generic ones are eg. richard branson, warren buffet etc.)

>if you get a job offer or apply for a job and are contacted about it, find the employee or recruiter that contacted you and add them on linkedin

>add anyone you meet at a networking event and any university friends etc.

>the larger your network the more people will see you, the more people will hopefully endorse you, and once you've racked up lots of connections and endorsements headhunters and others are more likely to hire you/see you as competent.

>>634252
Linked in is good for finding a job if you already have one and you have experience in the industry. I got a job through linkedin would recommend it very much.

I got a job offer for $20k more than I was making within two weeks of seriously setting up my profile. It is a great resource for making sure you are always getting the best value for your time wageslaving.

>>634802
What if you're a NEET who has been out of work for the past 12 months?

>>634252
It doesn't hurt to have one, but don't put too much unsubstantiated bragging shit on your profile because the people who are about to interview you will read it beforehand and form an impression on whether you're a massive faggot or not.

90% of it is people who don't have adequate skills/ability trying to make themselves seem like they actually do. It's very transparent though.

While it is browsed by recruiters, it's just another source of CVs for them. Remember, recruiters work on volume, so they're just trying to source as many people from wherever. It isn't going to make you more likely to actually get the job, and it isn't going to help you find one that's actually good or interesting.

Where it does come in handy for job-finding is when you've been working for a few years and have a bunch of connections from people you actually worked with and who know you're good. If they've moved on and they have positions open that they know you're a fit for, it's a good communications mechanism for that kind of thing.

>>634252
Software Engineer here. Recruiters out the ass on that site. Big-namers, even.

>>635263
It's good for information gathering. Go through people's profiles who have jobs or are in places you want to be in and scope their profile's out.

Although for me half the time it's a hit or miss as there's a lot half done profiles. Whether on purpose or not though, i don't know.

>>635275

Yeah a lot of higher demand fields will have recruiters actively trying to offer positions with generous offers.

You can even tell them you're interested but don't believe there is enough compensation and the recruiters will work to get you paid more or provide more vacation days, etc. because they usually get paid commission.

>>634252
I know a recruiter through linked in, she added me cause we had a connection in common and it flat out said "call me at xxxxxxc for information about entry level jobs and interships"
So I did,
And I got an interview at a place soon after, didnt get the job but still, thank you stranger

>>635287
Recruiters have no interest in getting something good for you, they would rather just convince you to take whatever they'll give you, or just find other people instead if you take up too much time to place. They work soleley off volume. They don't care for placing people in good jobs, they just want to place as many people as they can wherever they can.

>>635261
Don't be a NEET, also message the people who post the jobs directly. I've done that a few times just out of the blue and they responded and we talked about positions. I was offered a couple of jobs, but turned them down because they weren't offering the kind of money I was looking for.

>>635546

This. They also could give less of a fuck about your commute and will try to push you into a 1-2 hour commute without batting an eye. They are the used car salesman of careers. Useful but remain skeptical.

>>634300
The reason why I don't have a LinkedIn profile is because I don't have anything to brag about

>>637042
Here's the secret: neither does anyone else.

But they don't let that stop them.

>>634252

It's used for spying on competitors more than anything else.

It's meh. Can't hurt you, but I don't see it as any kind of leg up in getting a job.

>>634252
Does LinkedIn require you to verify degrees and certs that you have?

I am currently in the marines as an officer and will have my masters of accountancy and CPA done within the next 2 years. I am getting out in 3 years. I want to put the degree and cert up now to attract employers even though I dont quite have it yet, but I will. I would like to have a nice job lined up before leaving the service.

>>634332
Should I use my marine corps photo? I look damn sexy in my dress blues. Cropped from the chest up obviously.

Muh Patriotism.

>>637413
>to verify
no, but any employer considering hiring you will verify it. just put that it's expected in 2016 or whenever.

>>637413
>Does LinkedIn require you to verify degrees and certs that you have?
not really. linkedin themselves don't although they have quite a few options to put different things in. like I have a few certs who automagically were tied with the certifiers logo/company so it looks nice.

like >>637430 said, the employer will ultimately chose to research them. As for your degree you can put what college your going to and expected date of graduation as well as the degree your going after.

>Should I use my marine corps photo?
hell no you fucking tryhard.

LinkedIn is a really vain place man. There are some people who litterally claim to work for companies when they're really only subcontracted. Or make up fake titles outright.

Just remember, good spelling is underrated.

>>634332
Is it appropriate to have a picture with wearing sunglasses in my office?

I'm a developer in a mostly defense/gov contractor location.

Has anyone hooked up with any qts via linkedin?
I forgot I even had one until this one girl I interned with added me.

I feel like there's a chance she wants to reconnect since I don't have any other social media, and she probably had to dig to find me. But she also has like a 100 other links so she might just add everyone she has ever interacted with.

What do lads?

>>638244
>take the chance

>>634252

Personally I think LinkedIn is a joke if you don't have a website and you're applying for tech jobs.

>applying for web dev positions
>doesn't have a website/real portfolio
>includes linkedin profile

instant rejection

>>638244
>she probably had to dig to find me.

With two or three clicks, linkedin requests a blanket invitation to all emails links in your inbox and contacts. So lol at your value

>>638271
I never gave her my personal email either.
But yeah I'm not delusional,i know it probably means nothing.

>>638257
That only makes sense for web devs. That doesn't make sense for nearly anyone else in technology. You're a retard.

>>638284
It seems to connect people on the same mailing lists too. You can be an indirect recipient of emails and it would still associate both of you.

>>638338
Really? That sounds creepy as fuck.

I could see how maybe it tracked the email list I was on when they announced our starting dates.
Wondering if it's something implicit they do or if you release permission of your email account first for them to do that.

Either way though, might delete my account now.
I hate how nosy every single social media thing is nowadays.

>>638310
>That doesn't make sense for nearly anyone else in technology

If you consider yourself to be "in technology" and you can't figure out how to make a decent looking website with wordpress or bootstrap, even if you don't consider yourself a web dev, then I have no desire to hire you. It's pathetic and shows that you're just going through the motions.

At least with a resume you have to pick your own template or make your own. Same with a website. It shows SOME initiative. LinkedIn is literally plug and chug for retards.

>>638354
It should ask for permission, but if you don't pay attention, that shit just goes at it.

>connect an email account

>itll scrape everyone you've ever contacted.

>gives you the choice to connect, where itll spam everyone if you accidentally click next
OR manually choose people OR skip process

I got my current job because it was on LinkedIn. I don't think I got my job BECAUSE of LinkedIn, necessarily, but I saw a title I was attracted to and it ended up being +22k a year after bonuses so I applied and got it. I use it to have a slightly better chance of a human seeing my credentials and contacting me for a better position. Recruiters LOVE linkedin. If you have a proper profile with credentials and the right buzzwords, recruiters will find you and reach out.

In my experience it has been much more likely that a human recruiter that natively speaks english will find me through LinkedIn. I posted my resume on a couple other sites (CareerBuilder, Monster, Dice, etc) and it's all awful robots or someone that took one keyword out of my resume that I had in a job 6 years ago. "Oh you were a PM for 3 months and are now a VP? Would you like to go back to being a contract PM for a couple months? Fuck off.

>>638363
So when do you graduate highschool again? 2017?

>>638363
This is what web developers actually believe.

I mean, sure, some of us may work in low latency, high throughput backends, but if we can't put together a cut-and-paste tier frontend that has nothing to do with what the majority of people in technology actually do, why even bother?

I also hear that Van Gogh never learnt to use crayons. What a loser. He was clearly just going through the motions.

>>638382
>web developers actually believe

I'm not a web dev. I do absolutely no user facing web stuff and I never have.

But I still threw together a nice looking bootstrap site over a weekend before my last job search and I had MULTIPLE recruiters/hiring managers mention in passing that it's pathetic that so many tech applicants don't have portfolio sites outside of linkedin/github.

Stay mad, idiots.

>>638390

I'm an accountant and I made a portfolio site. So many people have bullshit degrees and bullshit references that a portfolio is the best way to separate yourself from the crowd.

>>638390
I'm sure you must really value the awesome respect you're getting from recruitment consultants, who are clearly experts in technology.

Being able talk about past singificant projects you've worked on in industry, and being able to demonstrate sound analytical skills are all that's really going to help get you hired. (Unless you're going for a pleb-tie job).

Being able to string together a few examples and tutorials into a website isn't going to impress anyone who understands what they're looking it. It's like a chef tying to show off a bunch of microwave meals that he heated.

>>638399
>Being able to string together a few examples and tutorials

Who the fuck said anything about "examples and tutorials".

My portfolio site has links and pics of robust mobile applications with thousands of downloads. It's a nice all-in-one page that's way better than linking to app store/play store developer pages, or a shitty linkedin.

Examples and tutorials belong on GitHub.

>>638401
Mobile developers are barely any better than web developers. Again, it's all plug-it-together crap.

It can be great if you work for a great company and are able to talk about the different projects you have worked on through your company.

I work for one of the global engineering consulting companies and I can see how it would be a great place to put information up regarding what you've done.

A person I work with is doing an apprenticeship with them and is in his second year. He put information up about the projects he worked on and the software he is capable of and got job offers to be an electrical engineer for £25k a year. He's doing a BTEC and doesn't have a degree and is only on 13k a year.

Goes to show that especially in some industries experience and who you work for really trumps just having a degree.

>>638403

What's your definition of non "plug-it-together crap".

That "plug-it-together crap" is exactly what gets you hired. Everyone with a CS degree has mastered abstract algorithm analysis, data structures, general problem solving in pseudo code, etc.

The stuff that you're knocking as "easy" is exactly what gets you hired: SKILLS WITH A SPECIFIC FRAMEWORK.

And guess what? You can't properly demonstrate skills with any framework on LinkedIn. Sure, you can put the skill on your profile. But putting "Android" on your LinkedIn isn't the same as showing them screenshots of the Android app that you built and linking them to the app's page on the Play Store. You need to do that on your website.

And yeah, it's best to be the guy who builds the framework instead of being the guy that simply masters it. But you aren't going to get in the door ANYWHERE without basic code monkey skills. And you're showing that you LACK EVEN THAT if you're too lazy to build a personal portfolio website.

Fuck.

>>638457
Using frameworks requires almost zero skill. If that's all you can do, companies might as well hire a bunch of cheap teenagers to do that work. Why would you want to show off what children can easily accomplish? Noone is impressed by that.

I always viewed linkedin as some sort of backing your shit when applying to a job.

The employer will always trash a few resumes, and keep around 5 of them. Then he'll check their social media (e.g. linkedin) so he'll know they're not full of shit.

that's why >>634259 knows his shit.

>>638310

No this makes sense for most professional careers man. Having your own website with history, info, and referalls is a big plus.

>>638390
>I had MULTIPLE recruiters/hiring managers mention in passing that it's pathetic that so many tech applicants don't have portfolio sites outside of linkedin/github.

Way to bend over backwards for employers dude.

Getting jobs is easy enough already.

>>634332
>>if you get a job offer or apply for a job and are contacted about it, find the employee or recruiter that contacted you and add them on linkedin

I have a feeling this could be seen as presumptuous or weird.

>>638477

confirmed for never working in the industry

>Sr. Ruby on Rails Developer posting
>You: "Well I don't know Rails but I'm an elite computer scientist and I got an A in my algorithms and analysis course. If you ask me to solve problems in pseudo code I'll ace them".

top kek. You need both, idiot. But you need to showcase platform ability on a website or you aren't getting hired. Period.

>>640331
The recruiters themselves have added me a few times. I was happy to have them as contacts.

>>640359
Wow, you actually think anyone in industry uses ruby on rails?

>>640650

No you must be trolling.

>what is Twitter?

>>638390
So much this. I said the same thing on /g/ and all these people told me I was wrong. It's just one very easy way of going above and beyond other applicants.

>knows tech
>can't spend $10/yr and setup basic email and site.

I only know one irl person my age with a site.

>>640726
Great example! It's not like they had to swap out huge chunks for scala due to rails' non-performance or anything...

>>634252
I only use it to spy on people I went to school with, and to look for jobs in my field. I've found work through contract agencies and Indeed.

I found my current career on Linkedin. I answered a run of the mill job posting (that was also posted on indeed & monster), so I wasn't directly recruited.

Worked out well. Still there almost 3 years later

>>642534
I thought LinkedIn sent people a notification when someone looked at their profile.

>>643390
I think it only tells you vague information unless you pay them.