/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>630842
Let's see how Windows 10 perform in the market. I highly doubt people already have Windows 7 or even 8 with classic shell would change switch to Windows 10 though.

WP has been a failure. They need to come up something really innovative against the surge of Apple Inc.

>>630852
They need to own the cloud space completely. That means buying box (lel) or dropbox (kek). Going after the business hosting market that is being dominated by rackspace and AWS. Spinning off the Xbox and dropping the Surface, and Windows phone.

Good fucking luck.

If you like MSFT at $47, you should love it at $42. Buy more! Unless that is, you just bought something without knowing fuckall about it.

>>630842

if you are going to hold msft long, you have to believe it is because of something other than their OS sales, which will not be as great as they were when MSFT was a great stock to buy.

I bought them a year or two back on xbox, kinect, sql server, sharepoint and their proffesional services division (which is still sort of a joke in terms of professionalism and capability compared to competitors, but i think picking up steam)

that said.. msft is probably overpriced at it's current market values. I do think there is value in the company overall.

they are doing some truly innovative things with surface and touch screens and desktop interoperability. i LOVE my windows phone, and i think if more people would give it a try they would see how great it is.. but apple has the app store locked up.. and no one is going to catch up ever...

msft is a buy at 30 and a sell at 45 for me.

>>630881
this, buy more

when the stock returns to whatever you bought it at, you will be laughing

ITT: People with greasy hair try their hand at investing, not realizing that following performance is a poor strategy overall.

ITT: People with greasy hair decide to invest in the stock market and fail to realize that investing when a stock is doing well, and selling when it isn't performing is a poor strategy.

>>630955
BUY HIGH
SELL LOW

>>630852
People will switch because its a free upgrade. Microsoft is apologizing for the atrocity that is windows 8.

>>630955

I'm the guy who made this plst. I'm sorry if it offended anyone.I shouldn't be submitting posts in such a bad mood. The irony is I myself have greasy hair girl

Well see ya later

>>630842
rofl you can't trade don't even try to be a "trader"

msft is one of the best dividend paying tech stocks out there and you honestly are upset because "omg stocks are volatile". get fucking real. save up some cash and buy some more next year and keep reinvesting your dividends. you'll be happy you weren't such a triggy happy dumbfuck in ten years.

oh wait you bought this stock because you wanted to make some quick cash for next year? yeah, good luck with that. you'd be better off with lotto tickets imo because that way when you lose money you at least have some kind of an idea what happened to it.

>>631036
Hi! few things to start off with =]
1. yes I replied to you because you're a female /biz/ goer, 'tis an awesome thing to see!
2. I'm Brian.
3. Don't be intimidated, but I'm not a stereotypical guy. If anything, I'll be the one in the kitchen.
Pls respond

>>630842

Don't bother, just hold. I'm assuming however, that you didn't invest what you were willing to lose since you're bitching about $400 lol.

>>630955

Goddamnit, I laughed at this way more then I should have.

>>632061

And I posted the wrong webm.
Damnit.
I'm too drunk to be on /biz/

The secret to stocks is to always buy. Especially when it's tanking.

>>632067
You'll fit right in then.

>>632075
>>632067

It doesn't help that I'm also trying to follow a discussion on Michael Moore being a diarieah faced fucking fool on /k/

and geet VN recommendations from /hgg/ on /vg/.

While also deciding whither or not I'll make some tax-return investments in some of the oil ETFs and shit and scrap some cash off them over the long.

>>632081
I don't think oil's going up for at least weeks.

>>632084

You think it'll keep steadily following even through February and onward?

I've been trying to understand it, correct me if I'm wrong.

But it's essentially OPEC trying to deprive western companies of market share, and destroy competition in the long run by starving them into insolubility right?

>>632091
I don't know if anyone fully understands it. I mean, it came as a shock to even experts. But I have a feeling it's not going to rise significantly for months, and not really rise noticeably for at least weeks.

>>632091

>But it's essentially OPEC trying to deprive western companies of market share, and destroy competition in the long run by starving them into insolubility right?

No, it's purely a play by the Saudis to hurt Russia. Any impact it will have on the US oil fields or other allied countries like Nigeria or Denmark is an afterthought.

It's not a coincidence that we had a massive oil price collapse during this Ukrainian-Russia thing.

>>632108
Why would OPEC have a vested interest in Ukraine's plight tho?

And if that's the case then Obama's statement on the matter was essentially him claiming credit for waging a "economic war" on russia for their transgression?

>>632113
what are allies

Is buying MS stock something I can do and not really manage but look at it every now and then and sell at some point to make a little bit of profit? I want to get into stocks but just casually. Like really, really casually.

>>632108
Anyone who thinks saudi arabia is targeting russia is surely retarded. Everything indicates that OPEC is trying to drive out competitors to gain back the market share the US is taking from them, which if left unchecked would destabilize the power of OPEC completely. It has literally nothing to do with Russia.

>>630842
> lost $400
> panic button

Please, that's fucking nothing. You'll never make money with an attitude like that.

>>630842
I have a feeling software and personal computers will soon become nearly worthless and sell very little. If I were in your position I would pull everything out of software companies.

>>632156
google 'bogelheads'

>>632172
I agree, PC's are becoming extinct for the general public. Google/MS no longer cares for the desktop user. Software companies that have no mobile userbase will probably suffer.

>>630878
>dropping the surface

You're kidding aren't you? Devices like the surface connected to cloud services is essentially the future for business.

In 5-10 years mainstream corporate won't be buying laptops anymore they will be looking to buy the best business tablet to replace their current fleet of laptops. When they look around the market what devices are actually going to be attractive to them? A lot of older corporate guys I know love their surface - they see it more as a productivity device rather than the toy which most people see iPads as.

Now, the big risk is when Apple eventually release their iPad pro but I think it's going to take a lot of effort for apple to get further into the business market which traditionally doesn't fall quite so easily for marketing.

MS has been struggling to get into the mobile phone market.
It seems they really want to make it happen but even with all the incentives they've provided developers are still largely ignoring the win phone platform.

>>630842
Are the fundamentals still solid? If so, no, maybe even buy.

In any case, you should investigate why the stock is falling. Bad news? Just fluctuations?

I don't believe win 8 is a bad OS but it's become somewhat of a culture to hate every new version of win that come out.

Anyway, win 10 is gonna run on all your devices - phone, pc, tablet.
Theoretically that means that you'll now be able to run all win applications on your phone.
They've also decided to bring back UI elements of older win OSs' to appease all those whiney faggots who can't figure out anything new.
So I'm pretty excited for win 10.
If theres any company that can buy their way into the mobile phone market it's MS.

>>632321

Well a big part of it is likely a reaction to the great news that Apple had.

>>630958
Buy high sell high

>>632336
You think so? ms have made a cockup of most new ventures they have embarked on over the last 15 years, outside of OSs ofc. Anyone remember the Zune?

>>632354
Microsoft is finally getting what it deserves for being a fat, bloated cunt that doesn't care what it's customers want.

>>632315

>replacing laptops with tablets for actual work
>forcing old people to use something new

ayyy lmao

>>632846
>replacing laptops with tablets for actual work
>forcing old people to use something new
That guy's a fucking idiot. He doesn't even realize that his sort of mindfuckery is exactly what made Microsoft lose everything. Windows 8 was shit because the dumbasses working for MS had the same mentality that everything should be a fucking cell phone.

Welp, we saw how that worked out. Personally, I fucking hate tablets and phones. No serious person is going to get work done on them because they're not designed for serious work and they're cumbersome when you attempt to get something other than playing a fucking game done on them.

>>632172
Because working with a tablet is so effective, right? PCs will NEVER EVER disappear from the work place even if they might drop a bit in the consumer department.

>>630842

>Selling at a price lower than you bought for

That's amateur as fuck. If you can't afford to lose the money, hold onto the stock. Even if it takes a year to return to normal price, it's better to wait and lose nothing than to take a loss.

>>630842
> investing in Microsoft

Idiot.

>>632322
It's not a culture, it's the hiddeous metro tiles that everyone hates but MSFT keeps trying to force. They are hiddeously cluttered and seriously give me a bit of discomfort to look at, never mind trying to figure out what they are telling me.

Instead of listening to their customer base they are doubling down on the hipster market with these retarded snapping commericals and weird chanting/house music. They are turning into an even more awful apple.

>>632113
Saudis are mad Russia cockblocked them in Syria so they're just returning the favor.

>>630842
If you can't stomach ups and downs like this, I suggest you GTFO of the Stock market.

thats fun ny

>>632855
>>633574

These guys are spot-on. The form factor of a tablet is great if you're some start-up guy doing "work" on Facebook at the coffee shop. But touch is an impossible interface for doing anything more. You know any accountants who use a tablet?

The market might be wide open for somebody to develop a business oriented OS, which MS seems to be abandoning.

>>630842
Testing

>>632346
Buy high; sell higher

>>633625
Libertarians are fucking idiots when it comes to their beliefs about corporations, but I will grant them this: the bigger a company gets, the more the bosses get into this fucking retarded mindset that they have to just keep fixing whatever isn't broken until there's nothing left that isn't broken. Then shit like this happens. And like McDonald's. And like UPS. And...