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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about. Don't be a HODLtard.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://xmrbazaar.com/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/?t=service&q=&xmr=on

>Shop on Amazon with XMR!
https://monezon.com
https://peershop.app

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Anonymous burner phone numbers
https://silent.link/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.vegas/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Babylon #
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>DrugTown #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Gramazon #
>Hectate Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Smackers
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
>Whales Market #
>Wizard's Palace #
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fF95wTNi


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED

or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me
https://unstoppableswap.net
http://basicswapdex.com


>Want to support further development?
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan?
https://www.monerochan.art/

>How to *safely* acquire, store and spend XMR

An optimal XMR user set-up involves 2 separate wallets: an offline cold wallet (savings account) and an online hot wallet (chequing account) for everyday spending. XMR amounts larger than a few hundred dollars worth should not be stored on a hot wallet for obvious reasons. So ideally, you'll want to direct all payments/donations to your cold wallet by default and then transfer smaller amounts over to your hot wallet as necessary.

Relying on 3rd party hardware wallets comes with certain security caveats so they are not recommended. Instead, its surprisingly easy to engineer a very robust storage solution yourself using readily available hardware: a laptop and a smartphone.

>Laptop

This will be running Featherwallet and must be *permanently* disabled from ever connecting to the internet again! That means physically removing the M.2 Bluetooth/Wi-Fi card and gumming up the ethernet port with superglue.

OS should be Linux rather than Windows, preferably a Debian-based lightweight distro. Encrypting the relevant user directory with LUKS is recommended but not essential.

It must have a functional webcam.


>Smartphone

This can be your primary device. It will host both your hot wallet e.g. Cake, Monerujo, etc and the NERO view-only wallet that is paired with your laptop.

To set everything up: https://4rkal.com/posts/feathernero/

NOTE: if you don't have a laptop you can use another smartphone and install the ANON wallet onto it, its essentially the same thing but with somewhat weaker security guarantees. Video guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJqYzZyqyno

>In a nutshell

- you accept all (substantial) payments to your cold wallet.
- you monitor incoming payments on NERO.
- you initiate the transfer of funds from your cold wallet to hot wallet on NERO and sign the TX on your laptop via QR codes.
- you spend the funds and help grow the XMR economy.


FYI this is the most secure storage solution currently available.

I really think you should try keep it to 1 post for the OP.

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.

Reporting in

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Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU (embed)
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L (embed)
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6 (embed)
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Just stumbled in here and watched the one of the videos, this project seems kind of interesting. For any anons who are knowledgeable about this stuff, if Monero is supposed to stay consistent, is there any play in buying to hold or is the whole point using it to buy drugs/other stuff? Do you guys hold it long term or just switch to a stablecoin? Also do you think its even worth trying to mine on a laptop?

>>59403076
>is there any play in buying to hold or is the whole point using it to buy drugs/other stuff?
Both. Hold,spend and replace.

>>59403076
>mining on laptop
not worth it, anything that pulls less than like 10KH/s is pretty dog shit unless it cost you absolutely nothing to purchase and power it. You can check a CPU's benchmarks at https://xmrig.com/benchmark just skip down to the middle-ish of the results because they are ranked, the top is the fastest ever recorded on that chip not the OOTB average.

As far as how to use it, it's completely up to you. Don't shit yourself and fret over buying "low" to sell "high" but be aware when the rates are sitting lower than they have in a long time, if at that time you have surplus fiat and want to convert some of it, then don't feel like a "cheater" for simply acknowledging a good deal. Over all, make it a point to LEARN about Monero and its technology.

>>59401991
lmao same shit with USDC on Solana. I kind of understand why this is but it's still bad usability. At least it's cheap unlike ETH. Not sure I'm doing this again.

Monero got mentioned by Roger Ver in his interview with Tucker Carlson.

>>59404266
what did he say about XMR?

>>59404339
https://x.com/DouglasTuman/status/1866574931305304208
Tucker says he is frustrated about Bitcoin not being private.
Ver mentions Monero.
He also shills his Zano bags.

>>59404384
very good. let's get some of that sweet brand recognition.

>>59404266
BIG
>>59404384
>...and I'd like to buy something and that's sort of no one's business
>Tucker Face
I know he's a CIA spook or whatever but I just can't hate the guy
>Xeno
they messed up the transaltion in the captios but that's a pretty big shoutout for a small coin like that

>>59402829
I agree. I even told him of links to dead websites and such but he keeps posting them.
I don't think he actually reads the thread anymore.

>>59405288
It's a bot. They have a LLM bot and anti 404 bot in here too.

>>59405288
Monero noob here. The info posts have been extremely helpful for me. Usually have to Google every single thing, this way it's all laid out for me.

Easiest way to obtain Monero:

>>59406682
How are the dead links useful to you?

>>59407020
He was probably reacting more to people calling for info posts to be reduced into a single post.
Some people surely enjoy the huge info dump, but most people never bother and are rather discouraged.

>>59407020
Stop being so childish. There's plenty of links that aint dead.

>>59407046
>Some people surely enjoy the huge info dump,
I do. I was first time noob in previous thread. Here I am again, still catching up

Is there any point in setting up my old android devices to mine? Not expecting any profit, happy to donate some of my power bill if it helps support the network

>>59407020
>>59407046
The posts have been helpful for me as well. Yeah, there are some dead links that could be pruned but overall theyre a great resource that helps noobs learn.

I question the motives of anybody seeking to reduce the availability of key information, it's what glowies would want.

>>59407190
Not really, it would be insignificant in the hash rate of the network, and there's no lack of mining anyway, we have way more than necessary to secure the network.

It's fun nonetheless.

>>59407144
>>59407212
What's with the damage control over asking dead links to be removed? Is the OP so pissy over his outdated posts that he can't bear to update a single one? Something doesn't smell right

>>59407941
There is something weird with these threads. I remember posts about adding an LLM bot to answer various questions. And every time the thread is about to 404 an image randomly selected from a collection gets auto posted to bump it

Get back on Coinbase and I will buy

>>59407956
Won't happen.
Swap on Trocador.

>>59407956
>>59408159
move into a self custody wallet that is. then use trocador dot app (in dire need of a rebrand)

>>59407956
>>59407956
kikes would never allow that

>>59407212
>>I question the motives of anybody seeking to reduce the availability of key information, it's what glowies would want.

It's not glowies, its the same salty Bitfags that have been (concern) trolling these Generals for years now, they regularly insist that "nobody reads" those posts (evidently false) and keep pushing to have them removed or impossibly condensed into a single post because apparently providing "too much information" is "overwhelming" for noobs and will "drive them away".

We experienced the exact same scenario with Zcash and Piratechain baggies back in the day, the merciless blackpilling of their shitcoins caused much seething and whining about the info-dump. And so it remains.

>>59409533
Okay, but update the dead links

>>59407941
>What's with the damage control over asking dead links to be removed?

How about you help and specify which links are dead? I know there's a bunch of defunct DNMs on the list that need to go, there's just as many new ones that need to be added, hard keep track these days.

>Something doesn't smell right

How concerning.

>>59409533
Uh no, it isn't concern trolling. We can just have a pastebin and not twelve different posts.
And whenever it gets brought up the OP replies that we are "seething" and won't take any rational response to it seriously. Wouldn't be surprised if an anon like >>59406682 is just a sock puppet, for example.

>>59409660
It's been brought up before and each time a new 1pbtid chimes in with "I'm a brand new 16 year old Filipino immigrant. I just discovered Monero 3 seconds ago and wow these walls of text about fucking pirate chain and meth markets have been so helpful, only feds would dislike scrolling through them on this absolutely dead thread with 3 anons and 17 sock puppets"

>>59409660
>We can just have a pastebin and not twelve different posts.

Unlike 4chan-X, Pastebin doesn't format links to make them instantly clickable. Some posted images also contain key data. And any offending posts can easily be filtered out by image hash, you never have to see them again.

Pushing to make relevant info harder for noobs to access really is glowie-tier.

>>59409713
Yep. Every time.
>>59409745
>Pushing to make relevant info harder for noobs to access really is glowie-tier.
Lmfao. Accusing me of being a glowie because I don't want to scroll through a tired link dump that clogs each thread is a good one. How about you actually take some constructive criticism instead of being a faggot.

>>59409807
>I don't want to scroll through a tired link dump that clogs each thread is a good one.

lol so filter them out. Problem solved.

Kinda agree that dead links are bad and should be removed but overall high information density is good.

What is the most accurate price of XMR right now? I see it at 193 in some places, and 174 in others. Coincodex shows it being on the low side, yet when I look at the 'exchanges' tab, most show price in the 190 area.

>>59410246
Whatever price the buyer/seller agree on ;^]

>>59410246
Monero is heavily wash-traded, easier because of low liquidity. 190ish is correct

Thanks. Here's some Coincodex retardation FYI

>>59410364
Can you arbitrage it?

$FARTCOIN is up nearly 50%! This is clearly very significant.

>>59407956
>current year
>unironically using cuckbase

>>59410550
I'm not set up at any exchange that has it listed at 174 unfortunately

Yikes!

Is feather the only monero wallet that routes over tor?

>>59414192
No, lots of them do. Including Cake Wallet.

>>59414192
You can route almost anything over tor with a tiny amount of network literacy.

$213? whats going on? weren't we at $165 yday?

>>59414375

The average user doesn't know how.

>>59414630

Pump and dump, happens every once in a while.

>>59404266
privacy coins on TC is huge, doesn't matter which ones
>>59407956
if it gets back on coinbase you won't be able to afford it. implausible, but it could happen.

we are heading towards $400

XMR hashrate is ATH btw.. almost every exchange is out of XMR.. get ready bros..
https://moneroj.net/hashrate/

>>59415060
>almost every exchange is out of XMR
how do you check this

I thought you Monero holders didn't care about the price? Or is that only you don't care when it's doing shit (which has been the last 5 years running)

>>59415300
hello bitfag

>>59415250
You don't. People have been saying that for years and it's never the case. Kraken and such always have as much Monero as you want because the gift cards and visa card sellers sell them the Monero. The economy is circular.

>>59415300
We don't care about the price when it's not going up.
When it's going up, we enjoy having our money increase in value ;)

I love Monerochan

>>59415060
>hasrate at ATH
are we sure that's not someone figuring out RandomX and mining ASIC style? there was this company working on xmr miners right? they sponsored monerotopia

>>59416125
>RandomX and mining ASIC style
You are thinking Bitmain X5 model. It was NOT an ASIC. It bundled together 6 riscv CPUs and made a miner machine for Monero. It was not an ASIC, still mined on CPU.

>>59416157
>$890 now, $1,799 "previously"
>212KH/s @ 1350w
So I get 19.5-19.9 KH/s (PBO2 UV vs static clocks+UV) on my 7950Xs, for ~130W. 212/19.9=10.65 PCs to get that hashrate, 10.65*130W=1384.5W. So the ongoing electricity cost is similar to X5, that's surprisingly satisfying, at least in that aspect "dedicated miner hardware" doesn't have an advantage over upper tier consumer CPUs.
However 10 of my PCs (if I specced them just for mining, like X5) would cost me ~$700*10=7k dollars for the same hashrate. So it seems that while not being exactly an ASIC, this is a miner box that is cheaper upfront and comparable in electricity cost. This could be considered an "unfair advantage" for "miner hardware" vendors, no?
Of course my PCs are normal PCs and can be used for more things than just mining, but in theory so could be those RISC-V CPUs - I guess there's some software lock in place to prevent reusing them without Antminer firmware/OS/whatever.

>>59416307
Oh, and there's that possibility they are selling X5s at loss since they've already profited from "testing" them, aka mining for themselves, I don't know. But still at least upfront cost appears to be lower.
Also I haven't taken server CPUs into account at all, maybe there's a sensible configuration where you can pay less than 7k in hw (but nowhere near $899 I guess) and get lower watts?

>>59416307
>This could be considered an "unfair advantage" for "miner hardware" vendors, no?
No unfair advantage whatsoever. Stop using commie lingos. They innovated on XMR production hardware, they did so while using CPU -- all fair game.

Monero devs shouldn't touch RandomX at any and all technological innovation in part of industry pioneers. That would be punishing innovation.

I don't like Bitmain as a company but they innovated fair and square and have produced a product for Monero users. You can choose not to buy it, but ehat they did was free market stuff.

>>59416328
>They innovated on XMR production hardware, they did so while using CPU -- all fair game.
Alright, so when would it stop being a fair game? If they had a custom CPU that was much more efficient than Intel/AMD (say, 10x more efficient for same watts), would it still be "okay" because they didn't say it's an ASIC?
Don't get me wrong, if someone can produce better hardware then who am I to forbid, but on the other hand part of what drawn me to XMR was that you could get a "fast vidya PC" and get like 5 dollars a month instead of 0, as with other coins where an average anon can't even play along (mostly looking at Bitcoin) on consumer CPUs. And at least reading in Monero discussion places, this notion seems somewhat popular, that this ASIC resistance is what allows normal people to kinda compete. And the way I understood your previous post, it seemed that you wanted to say that as long as it's just technically not ASIC then this isn't "bad". Do correct me if I'm wrong.

>>59416361
>If they had a custom CPU that was much more efficient than Intel/AMD (say, 10x more efficient for same watts), would it still be "okay" because they didn't say it's an ASIC?
Monero devs who worked on RandomX themselves has proclaimed that any futire improvement in CPU tech would be good for us all. So they already had in mind tyat XMR would fuel a faster CPU research and development work on the industry's side.

This doesn't mean that we should keep favoring 10th gen i5 cpus on your thibjpad box.

>>59416390
OK, this makes sense with the assumption that if a mining hw vendor figured out a way to make faster general purpose CPUs, then the knowledge would be shared or also discovered by typical CPU vendors. In the opposite scenario that mining vendor kept it secret (they'd stay the only ones with CPUs fast beyond comparison), the effect would be similar to building an ASIC, right?

>>59404266
That interview is easily in the top 3 based interviews of this year.
>calls the feds out for murder in Waco
>exposes bitcoin maxis
>promotes privacy coins
>here's 5 handy tips on how to make the feds even angrier

Incredible.

>>59416328
1CPU 1Vote
If they innovate a way to consolidate hashpower becasue they're way more efficient than consumer hardware than the devs need to change the algorithm.
If I want every person on the ship to have 1 lifejacked each and you innovate a way to get more then I need to innovate in turn to provide 1 lifejacket each once more. That's the whole point after all.

>>59416854
>1CPU 1 vote
More like
>1 Threadripper 1 vote

>>59416400
>if a mining hw vendor figured out a way to make faster general purpose CPU

They would make more money selling those CPUs to everybody.

When is the next xmr sale? I wanna buy 1 xmr for the first time

>>59418569
>When is the next xmr sale?

Next Thursday.

Why nobody here talks about zephyr protocol?

>>59418569
get a job nigga

i <3 monerochan

>>59420147
>Why nobody here talks about zephyr protocol?

Hard to keep track of all the coattail riders.

Why does it take so long to sync a wallet? This is going to be a deal breaker for a lot of people.

>>59409533
put it in a rentry

https://x.com/iAnonymous3000/status/1867117434718568747

>>59422068
Better light wallet implementations coming in the next network upgrade

>>59420147
I've never seen it used or accepted everywhere.
This leads me to believe it's a speculation coin with no use case.

>>59422364
>Zcash privacy would work if everyone used it shielded
Except no one uses it since there are no merchants accepting it, and most of the transactions are done unshielded.
So no one valuing privacy wants to use it because the privacy doesn't work because no one uses it shielded.

A lost battle before it even began.

>>59422364
Monero fcmp makes ztrash a "coin not needed."

>>59416361
Nothing stops it from being fair game. Salty devs fuck up the free market every time they stick their fingers in the pie. RandomX replaced ASICs with botnets but now mining is less transparent. Them manually tweaking fees is why the network has been repeatedly spam attacked. S.o.ydevs should read an econ textbook or stay in their lane.

>>59422068
the devs are tards who dont know how regular people interact. they specifically make the user interface as shitty as possible to keep everyone but the .0001% of us autist nerds out

>>59423418
Interface? What interface?

>>59423418
>>59424021
You niggers making it worse than it really is. Monero GUI desktop wallet has a nice interface.

Go use cake wallet on mobile

lmao now Cantor Fitzgerald has been penalized for misleading investors.

>Cantor Fitzgerald misled investors about a critical investment consideration by repeatedly stating in public filings that it had not identified or approached any potential merger targets, despite having had substantive discussions with several private companies regarding a potential merger, including with the companies with which its SPACs eventually merged

>The order charges Cantor with causing violations of certain antifraud and proxy provisions of the federal securities laws.

https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2024-199

Reminder that these lying assholes are the same assholes assuring us that fellow proven liars Tether are fully backed.

>>59424790
Imagine trusting guys like this.

>>59424790
>>59425850
threadly reminder that they've gotten away with it for the last 2 cycles, and the more institutional exposure bitcoin has, the more likely they're going to continue getting away with it

https://www.courtwatch.news/p/cryptocurrency-is-a-massive-money

Never read about something on this scale happening via monero. which begs the question, which one is it?
>it happens they just don't get caught
>non darknet criminals are stupid/uneducated and don't get blockchain transparency
>monero has insufficient onramps for this kind of operation
>monero doesn't have the liquidity pools anywhere for this

>>59426165
False premise. Traditional banks are the largest money launderers. They write about Tether to pull their chain.

>>59426076
So this is the new maxi cope?

>>59426336
That's just reality. Tether is snafu not the exception. Monero is like 90% of my crypto trades this year, and I don't hold any Bitcoin.

>>59426076
>threadly reminder that they've gotten away with it for the last 2 cycles, and the more institutional exposure bitcoin has, the more likely they're going to continue getting away with it

Hol' up, lemme get this straight: SBF gets penalized for malfeasance.....Mashinsky gets penalized for malfeasance.....Silvergate gets penalized for malfeasance.....and now Cantor Fitzgerland gets penalized for malfeasance.....but Tether will somehow magically avoid getting penalized for malfeasance? This is what you expect is to believe?

>>59426336
>So this is the new maxi cope?

Yeah, Bitfags produce the best goddamn fanfic in crypto. The mental gymnastics are Olympic-level.

>>59424021
exactly

>>59426165
thats because monero isnt a stable coin and if youve got mililons of dollars there is zero liquidity to cycle it through retard. nobody outside of the 12 autist NEETs who permapost in these threads uses it which means the liquidity is basically barely enough to buy a playstation 5. if youre a multinational narcorporation who needs to run 5 billion per day through the markets there is no way to do it on monero. but USDT has been anointed by kikes as the kosher crypto since it pretends to back its stablecoin token with fedkike treasuries and will help push our failing kike empire police state towards a CBDC so cartels favor it for obvious reasons since its the same way they pay off all their kike political overlords for permission to sell fentanyl and kill the white people of america

>>59426468
>SBF gets penalized for malfeasance
Depositors were made whole. Probably at tax payer expense, but I doubt we'll ever know.
>Mashinsky
Tiny; irrelevant.
>Silvergate
Victim of a smash & grab by Chase and BNY Melon. Bailed out by the tax payer.
>Cantor Fitzgerland
>one shady finance guy gets harassed by sec
>settles
wow, amazing. the white hats are in charge now. only 2 more weeks until $0 buttcoin

>>59426165
>Never read about something on this scale happening via monero. which begs the question, which one is it?

Stablecoins are the preferred MoE for illicit activity because they're pegged to a predictable asset criminals already use. Problem is, they're traceable and subject to seizure. Which is why you don't see them being used on DNMs. Otherwise, they absolutely would be the #1 choice.

In any case, the cartels using easy surveillance coins are starting to get burned so they'll have to wise up.

>Fifteen Defendants Charged in Operation Targeting Conversion of Bulk U.S. Cash Proceeds from Drug Sales into Cryptocurrency for Mexican Cartels

MIAMI – A federal grand jury in the Southern District of Florida returned a superseding indictment yesterday charging nine individuals for conspiring to launder U.S. currency into cryptocurrency on behalf of drug cartels in Mexico and Colombia and for the operation of an unlicensed money transmitting business.

These recent charges are the result of a law enforcement operation that uncovered a network of black market cryptocurrency launderers and unlicensed money transmitters. The same investigation has resulted in the conviction of three individuals and charges against an additional three individuals.

According to the superseding indictment, between 2020 and mid-2023, nine defendants and their co-conspirators worked together to pick up bulk cash, derived from drug sales in various cities throughout the United States. They would then coordinate to exchange the cash for cryptocurrency that was sent to wallets controlled by the defendants or their co-conspirators. The cryptocurrency would then be converted into cash and delivered to cartel leaders in Mexico and Colombia.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/fifteen-defendants-charged-operation-targeting-conversion-bulk-us-cash-proceeds-drug

>>59426628

Yeah, figured, more riveting "Tether plays on God Mode" fanfic. In reality, Tether is under federal investigation for money laundering and sanctions violations while Giancarlo and Paolo refuse to set foot on US soil due to the likelihood of sealed indictments.

Can somebody please explain why zcash and monero people hate each other so much? Don't both communities share pretty much identical goals?

>>59402768
>enter thread
>steal monero chan pics
>exit thread

>>59427990
I don't think about zcash at all.
>Don't both communities share pretty much identical goals?
No. Monero's goal is to get as close to strong anonymity as reasonably possible for all transactions. It has no credible competition or alternatives that I know of.

>>59427990
ZEC is more akin to LTC due to MWEB. Just use LTC MWEB at that point it's more decentralized anyway compared to ZEC, price action is more natural as well, ZEC chart looks like shit.

>>59424790
>$6.75 million civil penalty
ohhh noooo, the SEC shook them down for lunch money. It's over

>>59426165
Uhhhh it's only based when Monero does it. It's bad when tether does it. But the SEC will save us from the evil tether money launderers

>>59428380
It is weird the tether schizo always wants the government and the banks to sort out his problems.

>>59428457
BECAUSE HE'S A FED
THIS THREAD IS RUN BY FEDS

what is considered resistance now? $225?

>>59427990
The Zcash people just want the coin to go up. They do not advocate for adoption or use. No one uses it, no merchants accept it.

Zcash is riding the coattail of Monero, that's all there is to it.

>>59427990
zcash is legacy coin. Monero's fcmp++ makes it superfluous. If you want to have monetary privacy, a swiss bank account in your pocket, then you come to monero. Who needs ztrash? What even is it used for? It doesn't have default privacy. It has a dev tax. And it is going to switch to a proof of stake. Again, what's the character of ztrash?

Reminder:
PoS = usury and jewish
PoW = honest and aryan

Reminder:
monerochan dot biz
0x3f7dB133aFf2F012C8534b36aB9731fe9Ee7bd43

>>59427990
There is no "zcash people", the Zcash community that cared about privacy has been left abandoned as Zcash was initially a pump and dump. Zcash was hyped before release (celebrity endorsements, special "ceremony", etc) and insiders got a considerable portion of the early blocks' rewards. When Zcash finally launched, it traded as high as 3.300 BTC = $2.000.000 per 1 unit of ZEC. Zooko got the bag, and since then he has been milking ZEC dry. You can check the price records, open POLONIEX:ZECBTC.
>https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=POLONIEX%3AZECBTC
Promises? Unfulfilled. ChainAnal claims 99% of ZEC is traceable without any heuristics. Round-trip-transactions de-anonymize the rest. In fact, a large portion of the hidden transactions are just Zooko and his friends moving coins. Any theoretical advantage Zcash when it comes to privacy tech is rapidly being erased as smaller and faster Zero-Knowledge-Proofs are getting adopted even by every project (including Monero).
>https://arxiv.org/abs/1712.01210
>https://arxiv.org/abs/1805.03180
Community? Someone trying to set up stickers couldn't do it because the Zcash Foundation required him to provide a full legal name and address on top of entering into a legally binding agreement. Their community is dying and people are leaving to pursue other things.
>https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/a-failed-zcash-sticker-store-idea/40570
Security? Zcash mining is dominated by ASICs, the result is picrel. 2/3rd of the hashpower is owned by one pool. A fifth is "unknown", most likely some Chinese ASIC farm.
>https://miningpoolstats.stream/zcash
Zcash has always been and always will be an inorganic money-grab. There was never a competition to being with. To borrow the words of a deranged lunatic:
>Second best? There is no second best!

>>59430370
>Someone trying to set up stickers couldn't do it because the Zcash Foundation required him to provide a full legal name and address on top of entering into a legally binding agreement.
I remember that -- so much for permissionless-ness... The whole thing with zec trannie foundationn was retarded

>>59402768
Why should I invest in Monero? What are the prospects for development? This seems to me to be a truly unique crypto.

>>59430609
>Why should I invest in Monero?

You really shouldn't. Stick with BTC and dog memes for the SICKEST GAINZ!!!!!!!!!!!

>>59430622
I don't have any BTC or dog coins... My investments currently are other coins.

>>59430609
fcmp++ is the final solution to the taxman question

>>59430632
>I don't have any BTC or dog coins... My investments currently are other coins.

OK, lets put it like this: if you can read the writing on the wall, if you can infer future outcomes from developing trends, if you can put yourself in the shoes of an average person and still find XMR useful, then you might just answer your own question.

Otherwise, just buy BTC and sleep soundly knowing you're totally going to be a millionaire soon. Dog memes optional.

>>59430750
I bought 5 on kekcoin. I think it's useful to have some.

>>59430609
You should invest in hard assets and productive organizations which pay dividends. Crypto is for day traders.

>>59430750
>if you can infer future outcomes from developing trends
How fucking dare you even imply Monero will ever gain value in the future you stupid niggerfaggot SPECULATOR MOONBOY go back to your pumpamentals telegram and KILL YOURSELF

>>59430609
Monero isn't a speculative project, it's a working project. It already works.
It's private money.

>>59430913
>I think it's useful to have some.

To spend, yeah.

>>59430370
So what about other coins? Is there anything you guys think is respectable? Isn't piratechain the most private crypto around right now? Dero?

>>59433495
They're both centralized / trusted setup. I don't think Dero even has a way to hide wallet balances.

Monero post-FCMP and zksnarks are effectively equivalent transactional privacy. Assuming the zksnark central authority doesn't pull any levers to fuck you up, which is a big assumption.

As a rule if anyone tries to sell you a privacy chain with central authority, it's a scam.

>>59433495
darkfi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av2KLxXZz34

Why shouldn't I just get some cheap solar panels, a battery pack, and mine my own xmr off it?

>>59434458
You can, but don't expect a return on investment. You will not recoup the cost of your hardware before it dies.
Except if you live in one of the few countries where electricity is almost free because it's heavily subsidized, mining Monero is not a financially sound operation anymore.
If you want to you can, but don't do it for money.

>>59434534
But what if it eventually goes to 10k or something. Then surely whatever I mined while it was ~$300 would make it worth it, right?

>>59434576
Yes, but you would've made more money buying monero directly instead of buying hardware to mine it.

>>59434648
Fair point

>>59434134
>darkfi

Yeah, this is pretty much it.

The BTC ratio makes me seethe so much. I won't shill XMR to BTC holders at these levels because I would be furious that a fuckwit BTC holder could acquire so much XMR for so little cost. The fact is having retards buy our bags won't actually raise the price so as long as the price is low, I don't want retards anywhere near XMR.

>>59433012
No, I'm going to accumulate to speculate. I'll do it again and again and there's nothing you can do about it

>>59435879
>No, I'm going to accumulate to speculate. I'll do it again and again and there's nothing you can do about it

lol imagine investing in a coin that's actually used. Have fun staying poor.

>>59435655
It only takes 38.960 btc to purchase 18.446.744 XMR
Man, that's a perspective.
Satoshi has alleged 600k-1.1m btc, did he lose his original principles of p2p cash or was he killed by the state apparatus a long time ago?

What’s the best way to go into XMR from BTC?

>>59434134
>>59435490
shill me darkfi
its eth but with zksnarks privacy?
how do you buy it? or can you only mine it right now? is it affiliated with xmr?

>>59437199
>its eth but with zksnarks privacy?

Basically. "DarkFi is a base layer for anonymous applications and smart contracts that aims to be multi-chain interoperable."

DarkFi's key advantage over similar efforts is the people behind it, namely their impeccable cypherpunk credentials and uncompromising commitment to agorism, which makes them equivalent to Monero Extremists. This, in turn, engenders genuine respect for their work and tech and makes it very likely that (assuming its actually useful) it will eventually see some kind of real-world adoption and endorsement by influential circles.

>how do you buy it? or can you only mine it right now?

Mainnet hasn't launched yet. But it will be merge-mined with Monero, they're currently figuring out how to integrate RandomX.

>is it affiliated with xmr?

Technologically, ideologically and socially, yeah, the DarkFi people are present at every major Monero event, have been for years now. In fact, it was Amir that kept pushing for Monero to finally ditch ring signatures, offered to help replace them with zk-SNARKs. We would likely be heading in that direction right now if Luke hadn't figured out how to achieve the same goal using Bulletproofs++.

>DarkFi is not a project or a company. We are a community and a movement.
>Counter-economics gives us tools to architect systems that empower free communities.
>Crypto-anarchy is the tactic of using cryptography for counter-economics.
>Privacy technologies are emerging stronger than ever and are completely unstoppable.
>Combine all this together and we get: DarkFi.

https://dark.fi/manifesto.html

>>59436991
>What’s the best way to go into XMR from BTC?

Trocador.

Fuck yeah, we're finally leaving the cursed price territory behind and there's 0 social buzz going on around. It's so comfy to have a $132 avg entry.
I'll probably cream my pants once the real alt season goes into full swing.

>>59437961
0.002 is extemely meh. Wake me up at 0.01.

gouda morning frens, what is happening with monero? I honestly haven't updated myself on it in years, what's the scoop?

Which one of you just bought 30 monero on tradeogre at a price of $264 each?

>>59438511
scammers apeing mass stolen funds into tradeogre will wreck the exchange rates from time to time. It's not their money, they dont care about favorable prices.

>>59438402
>what is happening with monero?

People are actually using it.

What happens if bitcoin adds fcmps? How futureproof is monero?

What do you buy with Monero?

>>59439309
Anything. That's the point of money.
It's commonly used for drugs of course, but plenty of people use it for random purchase or daily stuff since you can buy prepaid debit cards or gift cards with it.
And don't forget https://xmrbazaar.com/ .

>>59439264
Would never happen; completely different tech tree going back to the foundation. Not at all.

The main thing that protects Monero is The System doesn't fund projects like Monero, and it's already well battle tested. Any potential replacement has to be prepared to suck hind teat for years knowing at the outset it'll probably never make a lot of money.

>>59439309
kyun.host

How to pay with XMR on AliExpress? Any ideas?

>>59445986

You cant.

So is the supply verifiable or not? I keep hearing different things. And how can you defend endless inflation when it burns value over time? Why would the devs ever add such a harmful feature? Makes no damn sense

>>59446602
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug
https://youtu.be/wq6w03E2DS4?feature=shared&t=1883

>>59446602
>So is the supply verifiable or not?
You can count how much was minted, but you can't see how much anyone has unless they show you.
>endless inflation
It only seems that way because you failed precalc.

>>59445986
I assume you can buy a visa prepaid card with Monero and use it to pay on AliExpress.

>>59446602
Yes you can check the supply. A single web search would've told you as much and showed you examples of people doing it.

Also the tail emission inflation (used to pay the miners, so it won't have huge fees/congestion issues like Bitcoin over time) is like 1% a year, I don't care.

>>59446602
>And how can you defend endless inflation when it burns value over time? Why would the devs ever add such a harmful feature? Makes no damn sense
Just think you are taxed to pay miners. In a coin with limited suply you would still lose value over time: with 10 years ago with 10 coins you could spent 9.99 with 0.01 transfer fee; 10 years later your wallet only worth 8 coins because you automatically lose 2 fee coins when doing a transaction
It's reasonable to assume that value burnt faster in an inflation chain (monero) than a limited suply chain (bitcoin), but monero still triumph because cheap transaction fees.

how is this shit still pumping while binance futures are trying to short it?

>>59448696
We have no info on if Binance futures is shorting or longing it. It could also be 50/50 and have no impact. It could also be pure betting without impact since Binance doesn't own any Monero and therefore have no impact whatsoever on Monero's price.

Don't swallow the latest narrative uncritically.

>>59448761
ahh alright thanks, i was just a little worried. Also do you really think Binance owns 0 monero? I thought all they had to do was delist, not actually get rid of it. I feel like they own a lot or maybe are selling to the US gov? what do you think?

>>59448843
I think they do not own any Monero because they have no reason to.
They barely had any at all before the delisting and kept lying like the dirty chinks they are about the network being down for them refusing to send Monero to people trying to withdraw.

If the US govt wanted Monero for some reason (there is nothing indicating that this might be the case) they would probably ask a US company like Kraken and not a Chingchong company like Binance.

>>59448696
>how is this shit still pumping
Monero always pumps at the end of a bullrun.

I think $400-$500 before new years is possible. Am I crazy for thinking this lmao?

>>59448881
I think US govt probably owns a fair bit but yeah youre right they would probably buy it from Kraken. I wonder where Kraken gets most of their monero tho
>>59448919
>end of a bullrun.
i hope the price goes up a bit more

>From 30th December, exchanges with EU based residents will be required to store your WALLET and HOME address.
>EVERY transaction will be recorded.
>This is a HUGE security risk and provides bad actors with a honey pot of addresses and wallets.

Government and taxes aside. Basically if there is a data leak people will know where you live and know much crypto you have. This will lead to extorting and irl killings/kidnappings of people who have a lot of crypto.

https://x.com/cryptotipsreal/status/1868991017841487973

Tax season is right around the corner boys. I hope you don't have any boating or water sporting trips planned. Pay your taxes you fucking chuds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1XPOFgjNPk

should I sell my moneros now? will it go down heavily later on?

>>59449387
We might get a blowoff top over $300, but I'm not betting on it. The liquidity sources that drove Monero over $400 went away with Ring CT, and they're not coming back.

>>59450770
Have you reached your set goals & does it beat SPY YTD? If yes, rake in the dough.

>>59450828
what was ring ct?

why does no one talk about buying xmr with fiat from changenow io or cakewallet / monero com. is there some kind of catch I don't know about?

>>59451063
Why does the market care about your plans though?

>>59451350
It's cheaper on normal CEX like Kraken if you live in a place where it's legal to buy XMR with fiat.

>>59450667
>He doesn't recycle his gains into tax-deferred accounts
>He doesn't even have gains worth deferring

>>59451442
>Why does the market care about your plans though?
It doesn't, but if you manage to beat the average returns then you're essentially golden regardless how much you "miss out". Also money isn't everything, some people have just basic goals.

Bumping for interest's sake

>>59451442
yeah, but kraken requires an account and kyc iirc

A challenger appears.

>>59451727
bit-babes are fine, but i'd prefer more cypherpunk approach. like xmrbazaar. want monero and bitcoin one. do not care about shitcoins of the day. also i'm not sure if this businessman cares about XMR ideas even slightly. But their products are cute anyway.

>>59451350
The fees are higher than using a CEX like Kraken, but it does work.

See >>59406697

>>59451563
Your bank requires KYC so they know when you buy stuff with your credit card, it's the same thing.

Is this a reseller? if so, pretty gready one, x3 compared to the site
https://xmrbazaar.com/listing/pAKT/

some shitcoins are already sold out, but i'm hoping they will make more if there's demand?

ah, it's 3 pieces

fuck, LTC is sold out too

What happens when lightning network achieves monero level privacy?

>>59454743
It won't happen.
https://x.com/Narodism/status/1868981230877991167

Also 4 companies control over half of the entire network, it's heavily centralized and would be destroyed/taken over by the state if it ever became dangerous.
Not that it will ever happen anyway, there is no plan to ever make it truly private.

>>59454743
One day another crypto will surely be better than Monero at privacy.
It won't be this one.

I'm okay with Monero becoming a $215 stablecoin.

>>59454743
It needs to achieve cold wallets and decentralization first before we even talk about privacy.

>>59451727
We must kill this heretic at once.

How does haveno / reto swap work? Any chance of it becoming the next localmonero?

>>59403008
Been hodling since 2021 and I'm now finally up 15% on investment. Didn't sell at the huge ups and downs could have made 300% gains back then but too bad. Props to wirey boy for being here so long, I remember you from these generals back then fightining against the "ZChads"

Results of a recent Dread poll.

>>59458010
Pretty obvious choice really. Too many have been burned by the open ledger to seriously consider otherwise, though a few will always do it out of perceived convenience

On an unrelated note, has anyone been playing around with darkfi? I got the irc working, git cloned, and I'm working on running a node but at wallet initialization it dosent seem to be generating the toml config files it should be.

>>59403008
Based

P2Pool miner report: Reward per payout on the rise for the last few days. (Higher activity, or not, IDK WTF that actually means)
P2Pool miner out!

>>59457971
zcash, pirate chain, scrt, discreet, a few others i can't even remember anymore. All trash.

>>59457971
>>59459412
never forgetti 0xmonerochan

>>59426165
remember the ANOM phone honeypot? same shit, different package. Just tell dumbasses "yeh bro, crypto is untraceable, all Le secure™. Silk Road... Remeber Le Bitcoin??", and they'll believe it.
of the four options you proposed, you should've thought of one more:
> It happens but they don't talk about it in order to keep monero in the dark ( better not shatter the illusion that they are Le Unstoppable and Vewy Powerful)

>>59456744
It works well, it's basically LocalMonero but decentralized, so it won't be taken down like LM was.

>>59454743
What happens when you stop sucking dicks? LN has nothing to do with privacy and monero.

>>59459412
Has discreet fully abandoned the project at this point? I was thinking about that the other say and couldn't find a post or update on their website since 2023 I think

What software needs to be developed for Monero to make it better for normies?

>>59461361
Nothing really, its as easy as any other crypto to use. The major friction comes from being delisted by CEX's so the best thing would be easy to use, solid P2P platforms. Have no shows a lot of promise in that regard

>>59461361
Decentralized Patreon replacement. The main problem is hooking up the cash card to the token though.

>>59461423
>easy
the official wallet tries to download the entire chain and something basic like balance lookups can take an hour

>>59461437
good idea where do we fund this

>>59461444
Assuming you run a full node implementation of the official wallet and not a more friendly option like cake, feather etc. Stop playing stupid and making it sound more difficult than it is.

>>59461456
>more friendly option like cake, feather
normies don't know that though.

>>59461361
The kind light wallets that will be possible with the seraphis/jamtis upgrade. It will be such a game changer. Contrary to what people say here, Monero is practically impossible for normies to use at the moment. Obviously this is a fault with normies, not Monero but they're not going to change.

>>59461437
>>59461448
Monero Patreon is already a thing.
https://github.com/lukeprofits/Monero_Subscriptions_Wallet

We mostly have issues with adoption really. The fact that it's so bothersome to onramp turns off most people.
For example, women as a demographic will never bother to do what's necessary to get Monero and use it.


>>59461617
The most normie Monero users are the reddit druggies that need 50 dollars in Monero to buy drugs on a darknet market, and they all do something like buy Bitcoin with cashapp or cake, swap on cake, and then buy on a DNM with cake.
Normies mostly use their phones, they don't bother with the official gui wallet.

ZEC is better

enjoy your CIA coin

>>59437449
>>59458040
replying to both you anons. so darkfi mainnet is not out yet, so i cant mine it yet? will it be CPU mined like xmr? if i want to become a darkfi whale should I mine it when it launches or just wait till it shows up on some dex? these are retard tier questions i know. but i have never been around for the start of a block chain/coin i was interested in. it sounds like a cool project, checked out interviews and white paper/site
please explain what i should do to not fuck up when it launches.

>>59462126
Monero chuds have to steal zcash tech to stay relevant. That says it all. Also, they're now being forced to enable transparent transactions, it's hilarious.

>>59462069
That's a half finished build your own Patreon kit at best.

>>59462211
Afaik you can't mine it as of now and they intend on doing merge mining with XMR, meaning that you'll mine both at the same time.

>>59462282
>now being forced to enable transparent transactions, it's hilarious

lolwut

>>59462211
My understanding is yes you can mine right now only on testnet. Its randomx so CPU minable. I have it in an Ubuntu VM right now and having some issues with the wallet, most likely due to my own incompetence

>>59463644
You can't reason or apply logic to desperate zbaggie Africans. They are incapable of critical thinking and can only spout made up nonsence in an impotent attempt to promote their own irrelevant corp coin. Have you seen their transaction numbers lmao.

>>59463682
>Have you seen their transaction numbers lmao.

400 shielded transactions a day!

>>59463805
did they hire them from fiverr lmaoo

>>59463993
Likely something similar. They dont even know what zcash is, zooko and entourage probably just walked around the village offering free t-shirts for them to stand for a photo

>>59464018
And now they look like Z-vatniks, SAD!

>>59463993
>>59464018

What happens is ZECorp pays "ambassadors" $1K a month to "raise awareness" and most of these operatives tend to be from turd world shitholes, ergo all the africans, jeets and Venezuelans shilling Zcash everywhere.

>Zcash Global Ambassador Program
>Join the Zcash Global Ambassador Program! Lead the Zcash community, host meetups, engage on social media, and more.
>Get a $1,000 monthly stipend in ZEC to shape Zcash’s future!
https://cryptoambassadorprograms.com/index.php/zcash-global-ambassador-program/

>>59464088
Lmao, the absolute state of "organic community"

>>59464109

>>59464109
>>>59464088(You)
>Lmao, the absolute state of "organic community"

The community are all moonfags, literally not a single anarchist or agorist among them. All they dwell on is price and how to convince more people to buy ZEC and pump their bags. There is this hilarious sense of entitlement that as "early investors" they have a God-given right to get their bags pumped.

And all these years they've coped by convincing themselves that zk-SNARKs gives ZEC some insurmountable edge over the competition, primarily Monero and that eventually ZEC will take the throne because its inevitable or something.

What has actually happened is that Team Monero wisely refused to compromise on privacy-by-default, fielded a product that still works great despite certain shortcomings and is now set to become the ultimate privacy coin with the adoption of ZKP membership proofs.

There really isn't any plausible roadmap to victory for Zcash anymore, they're about to lose the only tech advantage they've ever had.

And on that note, here's an entire thread of Z-fags wondering about "what went wrong?"

https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/what-has-gone-wrong/49631/1

>>59464251
Wow, there is some weapons grade copium in there.

>>59464251
This is why you don't negotiate with CEX's on principled matters like the right to private transactions. P2P is and always was the future of financial freedom

>>59463682
>>59463805
>>59464088
>>59464109
>>59464123
>this will make our coin popular

>note to self
When ztrash is being spammed in xmr thread: sell

>>59464251
>xe/xirs.
lmao

why doesnt kraken let me buy xmr

>>59467471
Because you live in a communist shithole.

>>59467500
i can buy it on binance and coinbase so that doesnt make sense

>>59467510
>i can buy it on binance and coinbase so that doesnt make sense
But it's not listed on Binance and Coinbase...

>>59467510

Trocador

>>59440170
For real?

DOOMPA

>>59464088
>https://cryptoambassadorprograms.com/index.php/zcash-global-ambassador-program/
well that was an entertaining read

>>59470119
>entire crypto space is hundreds of billions of dollars lighter *overnight*

Disaster! Unheard-of disaster!
See, it comes!
The end has come!
The end has come!
Doom has come upon you,
See, the day!
See, it comes!
Doom has burst forth,
a rod to punish the wicked.
None of the people will be left,
none of that crowd—
none of their wealth,
nothing of value.
The time has come!
The day has arrived!
Let not the buyer rejoice nor the seller grieve, for my wrath is on the whole crowd.

>>59469630

It's over.

>>59473202
For you maybe.

>>59473202
Just rope

Was it ever revealed what Binance did with their XMR once they delisted it?

>>59473369
Sold it and converted their remaining balances to Bitcoin. Which wasn't a lot because there was a huge voluntary selloff when it was announced.

>>59445986
Get somebody to buy from AliExpress for you. You'll have to pay a certain buyers fee depending on the price of the item.

What's the point of this when we have coinjoin and lightning? Also, infinite supply and no auditing. It's a mess.

>>59475336
Coinjoin and lighting don't work for privacy.
Too many people got caught because of chain analysis so darknet sellers stopped accepting Bitcoin.

Also the monero supply can be audited, it's frequently done.
Just Google it and you'll find articles, posts, and videos of people doing it and showing how to do it.

>>59475336
>coinjoin and lightning

Z-baggies be huffin' some next-level hopium

>>59476675
>dnms will only support ztrash
2 more weeks

>>59476779
Based

>>59414375
Therefore explain

>>59477677
It can act as a SOCKS proxy.

>>59477880
>>59478935

Bitcoiners talking shit about monero know it's bullshit, right? Or are they really that ignorant? Seems their average iq drops further every year.

Don't let them memoryhole this infographic bros. Jewgle is trying to suppress this one.

>>59480179

They need updating once ring signatures are history.

>>59478935
>ero

>>59481279

>>59482599
Checked and based

Kraken dump coming soon

>>59484247
I think the deadline is the 31st.
I'm not sure they would sell anyway, monero isn't easy to get and they still need liquidity for the US market and other places where they still list XMR. There probably won't be a strong movement.

>>59484503
>I'm not sure they would sell--ACK
https://support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/articles/support-for-monero-xmr-in-europe
>December 31st 2024 at 15:00 PM UTC is the deadline for withdrawing XMR. Any clients still holding an XMR balance after this date will have their XMR automatically converted to BTC by Kraken at the going market rate.
So if there's a lot of inactive holders then it looks like they WILL sell. Checkmate, liberal.

>>59484651
>Any clients still holding an XMR balance after this date will have their XMR automatically converted to BTC by Kraken at the going market rate
This must dump the price. I will use this opportunity to gain more XMR

>>59485225
Kinda doubt it since they already had two major selloffs when they announced the delisting. Whatever's left in Kraken EU hasn't been touched in 9 months. It's probably gonna dump with the Bitcoin retrace though.

>>59486178
How do you know there isn't some euro whale that hasn't logged in forever?

For anybody wondering why it's so dead in here, we' re all over in the Monerochan general.

>>59488089
I'll bump both threads. They're different things.

>>59488089
>>59488432
Not sure if psyop to kill monero.

>>59488608
It's jut a thread. It will die eventually and another will be made. Circle of life

>>59488608
Right now I run a pruned node and mine on a single mid processor. If I make it with Monerochan I will run a full node and mine on multiple top processors. I will stack my gains in Monero. Also I will become involved in Monero development, be programming or donations. If anything, this a moonshot to make Monero more alive. Those who will buy Monerochan were never going to buy Monero anyway.

>>59488653
>Those who will buy Monerochan
Still, I'm not touching it because I'd rather not be one of those, not even for a second. I have principles

>>59488676
this

>>59488608
>Not sure if psyop to kill monero.
To the contrary, this is good for monero

>mainstream visibility grows
>profits flow into xmr
>moonfags get their fix

My wallet synced but the balance is still zero. :(

>>59489940
Check restore height

>>59489940
Nevermind it's actually still syncing

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