/biz/ - Business & Finance

Again, Precious Metals win regardless of what happens. Whether Bitcoin somehow manages to take up the mantle of a world currency or not. They will always be valuable, they will always be needed.

The maxxie's just don't want us to skip the line they worked so hard to get in on

>>59376236
i'd buy one of those

No stack photo

No opinion

>>59376271
The credit crunch is going to be like an event horizon. It will wipe out savings and even the wealthy boomers will be eating peanut butter and jelly for dinner. Only the highest quality of safe havens will exist when credit and capital are revalued.
Gif related. This is what the credit collapse is going too like. Even PM holders will lose some fingers and toes on whatever credit assets they own such as real estate, 401k social security etc.
If everything loses 80% of its purchasing power it doesn't really matter if you own BTC or not. Becuase it will collapse 95%. People will be scrambling to sell crypto to buy stocks at the bottom whenever that may be. Buying crypto is not safe for when the dam bursts because it is a credit asset.

>>59376271
Precious metals don't function as a single unit.

It's possible for gold to go up 75x while silver only goes up 25x.

in fact that has happened.

then we say silver is underperforming and MUST catch up to gold.
but that assumes precious metals function as a single unit. Despite that being false since we decoupled them in the 30's

>>59376236
would buy

We are going much higher, probably $4,000,000. Lmao we means me not stacktards

Reminder if they post metal images they are broke retards, their opinion is shit. Never trust a poor

sometimes I buy rounds that remind me of people and play dolls with them :eyes:

>>59376334
this

it's not that PMs will "win", it's that PM's can't lose. With that said though, when this does go down It will feel like winning when you're the only one left standing.

>>59376438
Lmao y'all already lost, worst investment in history

Current collection.

Does anyone here have experience buying a St. Gaudens 1 oz. gold coin? I'm considering buying one myself but not sure if I should go with a standard US Mint (BU) one or a Pre-1933.

>>59376271
>They will always be valuable, they will always be needed.
true, there will simply be a lot more around
for what we know 15 years from now we could have a meteor shower that brings tons of them on earth
they are not scarce, it's something that simply exists in nature and more can be found or brought here

>>59376366
This is all concerted hype to get the plebs to buy in at dangerously high prices.
Half of the danger of a credit system is actually managing the purchasing power of all of the currency creation. BTC has like a 2TN marketcap now? Uhh... yea ok... And how am I supposed to juxtapose that against something like the market cap of silver? New silver (800M ounces * $30 is $24BN. And half of that silver goes to industry to be consumed so only $12BN of investible silver comes online every year. Where is the mismatch of purchasing power? If even 1% of the market cap tries to flood into silver that engulfs 20BN ounces of silver? Uhh... just think about that for a second...
The only way it makes sense is that credit assets implode and real-assets appreciate in value.

>>59376475
It's really amazing watching stacktards pretend silver is rare and valuable, amazing coping skills, zero investment skills

>>59376475
>15 years from now we could have a meteor shower that brings tons of them on earth
I love it when the uneducated think there's just asteroids 100% made of precious metals floating around.

It's absurd, but I get why the retarded public thinks that

a meteor shower that brings tons of precious metals to earth would consist of hundreds of thousands of tons of rock. Maybe millions of tons. It would end humanity.

>>59376438
Historically speaking, in the Great Depression the dollar was devalued from $20.67 per ounce to $35 per ounce which is a 69% loss in purchasing power. The masses lossed BIG and at the same time people with the gold GAINED 75% purchasing power.
Those kinds of numbers would be best represented by people's knees blowing out when they try to squat six million pounds. Your joints will PAINFULLY invert and bend ways you've never thought possible.

>>59376366
>>59376403
>>59376458
>>59376495
Christ almighty, he's just spamming Twatter screenshots LUL

>>59376495
It's rarer than bitcoin based on market cap. It's invaluable to industry and fundamentally it stands poised for a massive appreciation in price whereas BTC looks like a balloon ready to pop.
Smart money is selling their crypto and running to safety.

>>59376366
BTW, how sad is it that a crypto-kike that shills around the clock can't even be fucked enough to save up some shekels to buy a computer and quit phoneposting, lmaoing at your existence.

>>59376543
Lmao, silver is crashing and Bitcoin mooning right now

>>59373556
Yes I can. I have been held up with other projects but am converting the pdfs to svgs and then editing them in correll so the laser engraver doesn't overlap itself

>>59376334
well said

>>59376583
topkek

>>59376521
>people with the gold GAINED 75% purchasing power.
their gold was outlawed a year before that
they didn't gain purchasing power because they couldn't spend or own gold.

>>59376543
>It's rarer than bitcoin

Bitcoins not real

>>59376590
One last trip through the Titanic buffet before you hope on one of the life rafts?
Yea, I'm sure you got time.
I'll buy some BTC around $1,000 each when MOASS kicks off and the squeeze forces unprecedented selling. If the bond market goes or not I'll wait for that event to unravel as well.

>>59376603
You could own a few ounces of gold and apart from there being a decree, almost no enforcement against it took place. It still illustrates the point though that the government in cahoots with the bank conspired against the masses. BTC is just today's version of the Great Depression.
But instead of relying on the plebs' trust, they're relying on your stupidity. Scarcity will not be kind to BTC.

>>59376658
I'd be more worried about BTC obsolescence, but that doesn't really have anything to do with gold or silver.

well, unless we crack the gold code and learn to make cheap gold in our basements or something. I can't think of any case where gold as a technology becomes obsolete. Matrix simulation maybe. But any scenario that crashes gold would also destroy BTC

>/v/ is shit with spam threads and nutjobs
>/vg/ is shit with spam threads and nutjobs
>/pol/ is shit with spam threads and nutjobs
>/tv/ is shit with spam threads and nutjobs
>/biz/ is shit with scam threads and nutjobs

I think I'm ready to leave this site as it's mainly a massive pile of shit. I question if most of them are real at this point. Bots used to inflate monthly active users for advertisement making it feel like dead internet theory is here.

>>59376658
>almost no enforcement against it took place
Not true at all, someone in the previous thread posted loads of examples of it being enforced on a large scale and upheld by the supreme court. Even foreign companies lost millions (billions in today's money).

>>59376708
I mean that was always their goal right? if they can't outright censor then they just make it impossible to use

>>59376520
i see, so in that scenario we are definetely going to shoot them up, which will make mining the metals much easier and closer to earth
it's just a matter of time; it's also interesting to note that there is a max cap to pms prices, which is the cost of mining them
if the price of gold has a sudden surge so that it surpass the cost of mining it, then it would become instantly profitable to mine it, tanking the price because the supply increases - meaning it can never actually go above that cap
nothing like this is possible with btc, since the mining difficulty adjust dinamically and you can't just find a new bitcoin in the wild
investing in something that doesn't have an artificially defined max supply is very brave to say the least, basically you are always depending on the fact that scientific progress and tech won't improve too quickly, and you are always operating under that price cap because the moment it reaches it, companies will instantly operate to increase the earth's supply since it's profitable

>>59376607
is 4chan real? or are all dreaming right now? how can we talk to each other on something that's not real?
do you think a website is less real than bitcoin?

i'm just gonna keep stackin gold and silver in a physical fashion while ignoring stocks and crypto. simple as

>>59376751
>it's just a matter of time

two more centuries bro

>>59376765
4chan least serves a function as a image board, unlike bitcoin which does fuck all

>>59376688
gold is not a technology, it's a metal that exists in nature
just like water, it's absolutely important and won't become obsolete
just like water, but unlike btc, it's not inherently scarce, we can just obtain more from nature

>>59376769
Stick with a losing plan, lmao pmg dumbest people on the innerwebs

>>59376708
It's not enough for them owning an entire catalog for crypto-bullshittery. /pmg/ could be a sanctuary for based gentlemen but alas, that is wishful wrong-thinking.

It's always good to remember the only person on pmg to make a profit on silver is mintanon who charges a 290% premium on frog rounds

>>59376778
oh but btc has several and very real uses cases, did you miss an entire thread about it? you can read a summary here >>59372605
please explain how being able to take a plane carrying your networth with you is not a use case
>>59376773
we have a robot on mars, scientific progress can go faster than you think
but i assume you studied this topic for years before deciding to invest in rocks, right? ... right anon?

>>59376751
Mining precious metals creates a floor, not a ceiling. The bitcoin mining floor is technically zero as the more miners shutdown the lower the difficulty adjusts. The major bitcoin miners are already mining at a loss, so the bitcoin network faces major security risks in the future. Investing in something that doesn’t require real energy expenditure (like having to physically mine from the earth) is very brave to say the least.

>>59376824
>Bitcoin is valuable because it's convenient

Things that are convenient are rarely ever valuable

Anyone else have UAMY? Gains today alone are crazy

>>59376824
>Calls a metal a "le rock" meme
Low IQ opinion discarded

>>59376795
The only loser here is (You), resident shitstain. With USD, I could buy three of your mudhuts and the village whore (your mom) or an ounce of gold. Obviously I went with the latter.

>>59376708
Frustrating the plebs' attempt to communicate with one another is ABSOLUTELY a psyop. This site is 100% unhealthy (scrolling, addictive. Funny, sexual, interesting, familiar memes). It also comes with misinformation to make this place less credible. Learning to read the chans is a skill (not necessarily a skill you want to have). Once MOASS kicks off I plan to leave this place forever.
>>59376720
High profile if you got caught but they weren't kicking in your door to look under your pillow. Just don't be a retard and you'll be fine.
Even today $10,000 cash is illegal. Pay attention and keep your wits about you.
Navigating the credit crunch may not be a fun time. But I'd rather have gold at home than be standing in the breadlines surrounded by minorities.

>>59376847
>The major bitcoin miners are already mining at a loss
i think you looking at outdated data, you might want to look at the chart
>Investing in something that doesn’t require real energy expenditure
but it does, that's why it's called proof of work
there's always an energy requirement, even when the difficulty is very low
>Mining precious metals creates a floor, not a ceiling
there is a ceiling: it's impossible for the price of a given PM to go above the cost of mining it from asteroids, for example, because the second it does company will start to do it, increasing the supply

>day xxth of /pmg/ being raided by literal 3rd worlders and smug bitcoin kiddies from reddit trying to steer the direction of the convo off topic

wow jannies, really putting in the hard work I see

>>59376889
>Even today $10,000 cash is illegal
no, it's just questioned.
I regularly keep over $100k in cash in the course of business. It's questioned, but it's not illegal.

>>59376856
bitcoin is valuable because it has useful properties and use cases, just like gold
but unlike gold, you can't just find more of it, because it doesn't exist in nature

>>59376908
>trying to steer the direction of the convo off topic
what do you mean? read the very first post: >>59376271
it seems we are perfectly on topic, the guy literally called us

>>59376898
>out dated data
They are public companies so you can look at the data yourself. But I guess you are onto the fact that the price of bitcoin has to continue to go up to keep the miners and scheme going. Sounds kinda like a pyramid scheme.
>Theres always an energy requirement
Yes and the floor is very low as there are people who mined thousands of bitcoin with their cpu.
>asteroid mining
KEK you’ll say anything

>>59376923
hot take

both gold and bitcoin are relatively useless for anything but speculation. Their value derives entirely from the expectation that their value will go up.

>>59376964
add in stocks that don't pay dividends

>>59376964
uh no? Gold is at least a store of value

>>59376946
>the price of bitcoin has to continue to go up to keep the miners and scheme going. Sounds kinda like a pyramid scheme.
not at all, it crashed multiple times, some miners collapsed, difficulty adjusted itself, it's just programmed to work
it's pretty nice to artificially define the properties you want, as a human for humans, instead of relying on nature, which is chaotic and obviously never perfectly suited to accomodate human needs
>KEK you’ll say anything
you sound terrified, you didn't know it was a thing? your investment strategy is not relying on scientific progress to suddenly stop improving, does it? i've read that rockets are getting cheaper and cheaper, isn't it fascinating what humans can achieve in such short time? we just have to put our best minds on something et voilà, anything is possible. Except finding more bitcoin, of course - we created it in such a way that makes it not possible

>>59376964
>Their value derives entirely from the expectation that their value will go up

And bitcoin akshully goes up unlike garbage rocks. Stacktards have to wait until the zombie apocalypse, nuclear war etc. Basically when they are dead then they are promised a cure for their incelism. Lmao, whatever keeps them in their wagie cage away from normal people

>>59376971
yep
>>59376975
>Gold is at least a store of value
circular
gold works as a store of value because people believe the price will keep going up

as soon as people stop believing, the value evaporates.

>>59376991
>And bitcoin akshully goes up
except when it goes down

>>59376998
let's not get carried away. it would actually probably work a lot like dividend stocks that have built in floors in most cases. it will get bought up if it gets "cheap" enough. it has inherent value already

Retards arguing gold is a store of value, lmao down 50% against bitcoin in one month

>>59377026
>it has inherent value already
no I don't think it does.

lots of societies throughout history either ignored it, or used it for decoration without assigning it much value.

>>59376799
from the old thread, are you here as well? is 15 mins ok for you as time control?
do you know how castling works in 960?

>>59376983
>it’s just programmed to work
It’s programmed to fail. There is no floor. If price drops too much or there are too many halvenings the security of the network drops too much to keep people invested. This is why cryptocurrencies like monero have tail emissions.
The companies built for mining btc are already losing money. It’s only a matter of time for this downward spiral to play out.

>>59376983
The difference is mining precious metals has real world energy expenditure while bitcoin is theoretical based on game theory.

>>59377083
hmm no, that simply doesn't happen - people would start to cpu mine from their laptop if it ever comes to that, which i doubt we'll ever see again
we'll be asteroid mining way before that

>>59377092
what passes for mining metals is also mostly just future speculation. 99% of money invested into industrial mining never gets spent on mining.

>>59377092
electricity is real world energy, which is why it's called proof of work

>>59377112
>people would start to cpu mine from their laptop
>They would mine at an absurd loss out of the goodness of their heart
>Your brain on maxxietardation

>>59377112
Okay so you’re just delusional. Bitcoin will live off of cpu mining and we will bring back metals from space.

>>59377128
not if he was early enough. pretty crap hardware worked mining btc at first. same thing with eth. i think i made a couple of my coworkers millionaires by giving them old cards to use for free.

>>59377122
Doesn’t mean the whole concept isn’t built on game theory. You don’t understand the energy requirement for bitcoin can be very little.

>>59377128
>They would mine at an absurd loss
no, in the scenario you described, difficulty tanks
or do you think that mining btc companies were a thing in 2009? you don't know how all of it started?
>>59377132
i was following that scenario, clearly writing this:
>if it ever comes to that, which i doubt we'll ever see again
you answered this sentence with:
>bitcoin WILL live off cpu mining and we WILL bring back metals from space
if someone says "if it ever comes to that, which i doubt, i'll eat an apple", do you think "ok so you WILL eat an apple" is an appropriate response? do you know how language works?

>>59377145
>isn’t built on game theory
which is flawed and doesn't work because...?
> You don’t understand the energy requirement for bitcoin can be very little.
yep, that's how it was programmed and how it's working since 2009

>>59377182
>which is flawed and doesn't work because...?
it assumes stable inputs and parameters

which in nature rarely exist to the extent humans build them. And human constructs are subject to cyclical failures.

>>59377169
You’re not even debating anymore. But at least you now know it is possible.
Soon you will realize it is probable.

>>59377192
i see, but you on the other hand already figured it out
the POTUS and a couple of other people seem to disagree but ok, i understand he's not very bright
>>59377193
a lot of things are possible. Even asteroid mining! Isn't that super cool? there are several startups doing exactly that, you should check them out. Maybe you could invest them as a hedge, one of them is planning their next mission for early 2025. It looks like it will be a very hot topic for next year. Who knows how pms prices will react if everything goes fine and it hits the news? Man, i really hope they don't find a bitcoin laying around out there...

>>59377193
he never was, it's just pilpul

>>59377232
>ok, i understand he's not very bright
that's a different topic, but yes.
the president-elect is basically retarded.

bitcoin will be cracked much sooner than asteroids will be mined. Both will inevitably happen if society lasts another few hundred years

society won't last that long in its current form

>>59376708
It's exactly like the "social justice" movement that ruined Occupy Wallstreet. The general public was getting too close to knowing how the system was truly screwing them, so big finance introduced identity politics (cue Larry Fink) to ruin their intentions.
>we want fair wages and for big bankers to go to jail
>"BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRANS INDIGENOUS TRI-GENDER QUAD BINARY FOLX WHO DONT HAVE ACCESS TO FREE ABORTIONS?!?!? BLAHHHHGHGGHHAAA&#!!!111"
It's exactly that. Shit up any sort of genuine threat to the establishment by being complete morons, and have said morons always act like they're winning.

>>59376330
You call that tiny little ding a ling a stack?

>>59377248
If/when zero point energy tech is wrenched free from the kikes hands the very concept of money will be redundant

>>59377289
yes, assuming it hasn't already happened.

and to be fair, most humans don't care about money in the slightest.

>>59377233
The honorable thing would be to leave.

>>59377233
>>59377193
the only reason i may not be debating is that you guys stopped answering. Check the previous thread. Here's a summary of the arguments you avoided: >>59373194
i'm more than glad to discuss those points, and others as well, but you started with circlejerking ad hominem instead, or literally replied with this: >>59373211
the other pro-crypto guy in that thread also pointed out the same exact thing, multiple times:
>>59372873
>>59372813
>>59372713
you are clearly the ones avoiding discussions, not us. You want to discuss? Do it

>>59377254
Better than nothing at all copperfag

>>59377342
>You want to discuss?
That's what you don't get, faggot. No one wants you here.

>>59377384
do you know how to... like... read the words on the screen?
>You are not even debating anymore
>he never was

>>59377384
I like him. He seems to buy into the /pmg/
>metals vs. crypto
console wars bullshit.

he doesn't realize he should be taking profits and buying gold. He doesn't understand a lot of the metals in this thread were bought with crypto profits. It's fun stuff.

>>59377342
>be huge faggot
>Come to /pmg/
>a general thread for discussing precious metals
>force a discussion about something that is NOT precious metals
>people tell you to fuck off/tell you why they don't want crypto, they want precious metals
>hmmmmm it would seem my superior intellect has trounced these simpletons once again :)))))

You must be from reddit, because nobody could be this socially autistic.

Czechia joins the usa with no tax on bitcoins

>>59377428
>another argument-avoiding ad hominem
oh, did you miss this post? read it again >>59376934
it doesn't look like i'm forcing anything, or are you implying that >>59376271 is a double agent?

>>59376791
>scarce
>90% own 1%

Kektop

stop feeding the obvious troll you idiots

fuck this place is retarded

>>59377483
>fuck this place is retarded
no it's a cult

and cults cannot tolerate someone disagreeing with their beliefs. It's a literal threat to the existence of the cult.

>>59377468
do you know what that word means?
do you think the amount of original monna lisas in the world is scarce or not? the louvre museum owns 100% of the supply so it's not scarce?

https://youtu.be/DyV0OfU3-FU?si=7QXc9bnkeg6mb9Xt

>>59376769
>i'm just gonna keep stackin gold and silver in a physical fashion while ignoring stocks and crypto
Based Kind Fren. How's your dog doing?

What are these threads for?
Has silver or gold dramatically appreciated in value this year?

>>59377553
>Has silver or gold dramatically appreciated in value this year?
yes but that's not what the thread is for

>>59377345
I just felt like posting what I was paying your mother for the night

Thank you ryan

Mine came in finally, sadly I didn't get the 1 or 2 serial number

>>59377981
damn. I havent even got an email they have been sent yet. Look nice though! How about dubs?

>>59378062
170 and 190,which sucks cause im pretty sure i ordered them when mint anon made the post a minute in at 5 am

>>59377981
my order is still showing as processing, will it just randomly show up or do I get tracking info?

>>59376909
In business, sure. Citizens who have that much cash tend to have it stolen by the state. People who show distrust in the banking system are easily made examples of.

>>59377468
Pretty amazing image. BTC really does come pre-made with a "gold" aesthetic and it did so not too long after 2008. Really makes you wonder.
Anyone trying to sidestep the banking system is fair game to be destroyed by Wallstreet. These people see you as a threat because on a metaphysical level the issue is most aptly described as credit-claims vs real world resources. The system works if you direct ALL of your demand back into the system or in some way that pads tax revenue or bank profits. You can eat all of the corn and renewable consumables as you want, no one gives a shit.
Selling your 401k and buying scarce resources is where the problems arise because not everyone can do it.
People only "appear" rich because they can buy shit like overpriced houses and cars. But is that what wealth is? Most people who are retired do so on the back of credit assets. Are they wealthy or just being "supported" by the system?
Real wealth is CAPITAL. Machinery. Businesses. land. warehouses. Commodities. Tractors. etc.
Credit = bonds, stocks (pennies on the dollar of asses. overbought by banks & prone to selloff) real estate (overbought via mortgages) Social Sec, pensions, insurance (all paid via BONDS)

Pretty simple stuff, really.

>>59378168
I am in business as a citizen. There is no difference between me as a person and me as a business.

You are correct that I have to prove where my cash came from, but that's true of both businesses and people. You can no longer just show up at a bank with ten grand in crime receipts and keep the money.

conversely there is no real situation where you might make ten grand and not be able to prove where it came from.

Like it or not, the surveillance state is here, and it is being used to crush "criminals." The only real concern is what the government decides to call "criminal" behavior.

>>59378220
I think the nature of fractional-reserve banking stems from cash being leveraged up multiple times and they need cash kept in the banks. It is much safer for them to make transactions with credit entries. Also, the true scourge of inflation truly happens when governments undermine their currency units and NOT when banks expand credit. As the bond market implodes and tax revenue can no longer pay interest and principle on treasuries, undermining the CASH is the last option and when the system breaks down in an inflationary flight to safety.

>>59378275
I don't think paper cash matters to the banks at all. They don't use it. It's a token used by people, not banks or governments.

they don't need paper cash to issue loans, the instant you give them paper they convert it to numbers and ship it off or send it out the door.

>>59378073
I don't think mintanon assigns digits by order numbers, probably just random.

Newstacker here. Have a few oz of gold, like britannia, krugerrand, and maple. Never liked the idea of AGEs because of their premium. Is there any real advantage to buying them? other than the fact that brick and mortar stores will pay you slightly more for them compared to other sovereigns?

>>59378371
apparently some people are collecting them or something, so there's some chance of numismatic gains decades down the line. Not sure how that'll turn out though. In the past US gold was considered too expensive for most collectors, and even rare stuff isn't super valuable.

>>59378308
Cash is different from bank credit. Banks can make little journal entries all day long and it not make too much of an impact.
The problem is if people start trying to turn too much bank credit into cash and banks being at the risk of bank runs needing to procure cash to their shareholders. If the feds have to start printing cash, that same cash has a multiplier effect on the fractional reserve system because that very "cash" needs to pay interest.
Cash itself is a very important piece of the puzzle and it is different from bank credit because it is the "wild card" commodity that facilities exchange. Inflation of the CASH is where Zimbabwe style inflations happen. And it happens when credit systems lock up.

>>59378396
oh i see. I thought the premiums were just a 'murica tax. I want to stack more gold, while minimizing premiums, so i figured maples and krugerrands were the best bet.

>>59378371
Eagles are more cash in, more cash out. There's not a ton of reason to snag them unless you want to play numismatics or think sovereign coins might be exempted from future government shenanigans (the opposite happened previously, but...)

>>59378533
>exempted from future government shenanigans (the opposite happened previously,
wait what do you mean by this?

>>59378772
Part of the reason they got away with confiscating bullion before was because it was legal tender. Eagles have a dollar value.

To the ancient numischads, does this one looks legit to you?
It arrived by the mail today. An Aspendos (Pamphylia) stater.
To me it's checking all the right boxes but i never owned one of this kind before. It's a lightweight (9.8gr instead of 10.5-10.8g usually). It's rare to be so low on the scale, but not unheard of.
100% Pos. feedback seller, used to sell ancient, but you never know, even legit sellers can have been fooled themselves. What do you think bros?

>>59376236
where buy this coin???

>>59378821

>>59376417
wholesome

>>59378824
You missed the boat, those are minted-to-demand by Mintanon just for the /pmg/ bros. Now your best chance is to ask for another anon who have multiples to list one on ebay and buy it there.

>>59378851
it's over

>>59378851
latest mintanon coin i can buy?

>>59376708
Bro this cesspool have been complete shit since 2016 with all the banned plebbitors leaking here and the cohort of glowies & shariablue spammers following.
Actually it even happened before that, when most the high effort posters left for cripplechan after the gamergate fiasco.

And ever since 2020 there is simply no word to describe how utterly disgustingly worthless this website have been.
Yet we still are stuck here because that's all we know. I still have a glimmer of hope eventually Soros/Eglin/Unit-8200/Qoomers refugees (and jeet scammers for biz) will not bother wasting cash and time trashing this place so a renewal can occur, but in truth it's most likely joever.
Seems like we grew too old and too lazy to even bother saving it anyway.

>>59378893
There is a new one still in preorder, but the window is closing soon (end of this month i think?). It's a memeround of Apurand.
Go on jewgle and type anonymintpm in the search bar, it will be the first link.

>>59378093
You'll get an email with tracking

I've never been into coin collecting but I am inheriting part of a collection from my father. he wasn't a collector either, but his father was. I'll end up splitting it with my brother. I was doing an inventory of everything tonight. mostly gold coins from 19th century france and germany. whatever I end up with, i'm keeping. don't need the cash and I don't own precious metal otherwise, so might as well.

>>59378943
Its not a bad opportunity to offer to buy out your brothers half, if he is just going to sell them anyways. Offer spot for em, that way he gets what he wants and you get gold for spot which is nice. Also then you can keep the collection in tact.

>>59378968
that's actually a good idea. I need to look up melt prices for everything.

>>59378824
It doesn't exist in gold. In silver though,
>>59378851

>>59378943
>mostly gold coins from 19th century france and germany.
Then it wasn't a collection but an investment most likely. 19th french & german gold coins were minted in huge quantities, most of them don't hold any numismatic value, just their weight in gold (that was the point). But just in case you should post a pic to see if anons can detect any oddities/key year/mint error in the lot.
Sorry to hear about your dad, may he RIP.

>>59376998
>gold works as a store of value because
its chemically inert. silver and gold are commercial money because it doesnt rot in oxygen. that, in itself, is a valuable trait

BTC is the secretary you have a fling with on a business trip. Gold is the woman who is with you for life and will raise your kids. BTC maxis will never understand if they never held real wealth in their own hand.

>>59379518
Lmao, you stacktards are all broke wagies. Keep coping as life passes you by while you fondle your garbage rocks

>>59379349
Mr Market says no to your FUD

>>59377042
True. The Chinese didn't value gold and demanded silver for their tea to the point it depleted England of their silver and they started a war over it. However, today China is stacking gold like mad. Gold isn't going away even if it's a meme.

>>59376459
Pre 33 double eagles aren't 1oz, they're 30g (0.96oz). Your best prices will be from an LCS. I prefer pre-33 but if you want something in absolutely pristine condition you can buy an ASE rather than a double eagle. In my opinion the double eagle and the pre 2021 ASE are much nicer looking than the current one (they redid the reverse in 2021 and the new design looks like ass).

>>59379545
I have more money in bitcoin than in gold, bitcoin maxis cannot understand diversification because they think that they're gonna perfectly time the market and exit at the top when in reality most of them will ride it all the way back down because "the next pump will be bigger" forever.
Remember, you're only rich if you sell, no one accepts bitcoins for groceries.

While we're on it, does anonymint finally take monero as payment? I feel like spending.

59379545
Keep dancing monke
>that’s all you are good for
Kill moot!
RAPE and kill gookmoot!
trannie is jannie, can only gibs bannie!
itt: enough pilpul to last until the next century…

>>59376598
did the frenmarks ever get made? i havent been on here much the past year or two

>>59379855
down with gookmoot!

>>59380141
currently attempting a 3d challenge coin version of the frensmark. I have more than I should on my plate and havent been able to put full time into the custom coins. I have the grayscale images made though; I just got to go to the warehouse and fire up the machines when I get free time.

>>59380193
i can't wait to see how it turns out

>>59380193
hmm interesting. I'll stay tuned...

why are there so many niggers on the goldbacks now. I neglected to buy the south dakota series and some utah/nevada when gold was cheaper. but i was looking and some of the redesigned art looks much worse. ordered some low denominations though. i'll get the larger ones when gold price drops

>>59380218
I like the 10 goldback art. something about those flapper gals.
>I am from florida so I may be biased

>>59380198
Me too. The greyscale looks really good though

>>59380259
obverse

>>59380218
I have more money in bitcoin than in gold, gold maxis cannot understand diversification because they think that they're gonna perfectly time the market and exit at the top when in reality most of them will ride it all the way back down because "the next pump will be bigger" forever.
Remember, you're only rich if you sell, no one accepts goldbacks for groceries.

>>59380255
yeah the 10s are always good. I actually think they made the NH 10s look better with the redesign, but they totally botched the faces on NH 25 and 50, the nevada 5 looks way more niggerish, and the nevada 10 looks super caked on now-- real ashame bc she was one of the cutest, and I don't even have one of them :(
you can see the difference here; just look at the thumbnail and pic related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BkQCVbI1sI

>>59380280
>no one accepts goldbacks for groceries.
Yet

>>59378898
>it even happened before that, when most the high effort posters left for cripplechan after the gamergate fiasco
Those early days of cripplechan were so comfy.

>>59380280
>>59380325
people actually literally do. go check the vendors on goldback's website

>>59380325
yeah you are betting against human progress, which is quite interesting. In the opposite direction, the one in which humans go forward instead of back, asteroid mining becomes closer and closer. AstroForge's incoming mission will mine and bring to Earth their first 100kg of gold, planned for Q1 2025

>>59377254
Based copperchad
>>59378821
>>59378826
never owned one of those either but looks cool
>>59380255
>>59380193
fuck. ill actually have to buy a couple florida ones

Bitcoin spam in a precious metal thread? Seems off topic no? Seems like reporting doesn't work, for that. Fuck jannies. Fuck trannies. Fuck niggers. Fuck shitskins. Get to work. Clean it up. He does it for freeee.

>>59380427
jannie is trannie, can only gibs bannie
Rope will, and always will be the solution to piss poor moderation operatives
>simple as…

>>59380361
I know some places do but it's not exactly widespread.
>>59380376
>asteroid mining becomes closer and closer. AstroForge's incoming mission will mine and bring to Earth their first 100kg of gold, planned for Q1 2025
I'll believe it when I see it. Seems like a VC pump and dump to me.

>>59379071
>Then it wasn't a collection but an investment most likely
yes, I think that's right from what I've been told. I'm attaching a picture of some of the pre-19th century coins. not great condition for most of them. from L to R I think these are: 1741 Dutch coin (unsure of denomination or if it's a token), 1738 Dutch Coin (S I or I S on the other side), Austrian 1744 1 thaler, Hungary 1764 (unsure of denomination). The German coins are mostly 20 marks from: 1872, 1873, 1874, 1875, 1878, 1884, 1887, 1888, 1894, 1900, 1912, 1913, 1914. I'll have to take a picture of the French coins. They're a bunch of different denominations and years.

>>59380615
Even if coins were minted by the millions, people still collected them. It used to be common to collect entire series (all the year/mint combinations, some of which are very rare) for silver coins. So people with the means probably did the same with gold coins, or at least to the extent they could afford it.
This page talks about it a little:
http://www.infonumis.info/services/acheter_vendre.htm
So you better carefully research every single one of those old coins, because you never know what you might have.

this months shinnies finally came
25 Austrian 50 Shillings around 18g of silver per coin which i bought for spot price
But what's even better is that i found a new dealer where i can by my silver from now
usually i got everything from Degussa but this time i tried a new dealer MP Edelmetalle and im happy with them
I will buy a lot more silver from them in the future

>>59380615
those look to be in outstanding condition. what 20 marks are they? all super common ones? the rare ones aren't exactly cheap. have you looked up values for any of these?

ordered

>>59380259
>>59380272
that looks great!

>>59381033

>>59381033
I'll need to check which kind they are. nothing stood out to me as being in especially good shape among the 20 marks. not really shiny like the examples you sent.

>Shipping Label Created, USPS Awaiting Item
>4 days ago
gee thanks, mint anon

>>59380572
>I’ll believe it when I see it
NASA already did it…it only cost a little over $1 billion for 121.6 grams KEK
> The cost of commercial asteroid mining is unclear, but NASA’s OSIRIS-REx mission, which returned a small sample from Bennu, took 7 years and cost over $1 billion.

>>59380615
Bro, any of us would buy that for melt in a heartbeat. Numi af.

>>59381235
At this time anybody who has a tracking number has had their package delivered to a post office. It may take awhile for them to update, even longer for international

>>59380907
how come you do have pics of my coins anon? i'm getting spooped a bit ngl

>>59381243
yeah so you know it's possible
you are betting on those technologies not becoming better and cheaper in the future, which is extremely brave to say the least
it also defines a ceiling to the price of those metals, they can never go above the cost of space mining them, because the second they do company will do it for profit increasing the supply
several startups are looking into that right now, it will be a big thing next year. They claim it will cost less than mining on Earth.

>>59381317
>startups
Code word for money pits.

>>59381317
Yea the ceiling is $500 million per oz I guess.
Technological advancement could also render bitcoin useless.

>>59381235

>>59380615
that's great anon, the ones you posted def old a bit of numis value. From left to right, you have :
- 1 Ducat (NL, Batavian republic 1795-1806)
- 1 Stuiver (NL, Dutch republic - 1738)
- 2½ Thaler - Karl I (Principality of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel - German States)
- Gold Token 1764 - 3/4 Ducat (Coronation of Roman king in Frankfurt)

The 2nd & 4th coins hold the most numismatic value.

>>59378908
it shouldn't close before we get the pirate rounds in our hands. matt, if you're out there please leave the preorder open and ship those darn rounds already!

>>59381345
>>59381368
yeah but you see, you had to google it and check out the numbers, because you KNOW it's possible. Everyone does, there isn't a scientific limitation, it just costs too much - today. That stuff is just out there, it exists, the universal supply is not scarce at all. If you told me "a startup is planning to create the 21000001st bitcoin in 2025", i would have known instantly that it was a joke, without a doubt and without having to google it. Instead, your investment strategy relies on pure hope that scientific and tech progress won't advance fast enough. Every day we could wake up to a news that says "asteroid mining? it's now 1000 times cheaper thanks to this discovery". It must be thrilling to live like that, i tought crypto price swings were the emotional rollecoster of this space but you guys are the real thing.
Only 2 things are possibile: either pms will NEVER reach a price that makes space mining profitable, meaning they have a well defined ceiling, or they will, meaning we WILL do it and the supply on our planet WILL increase. There's no third option. They both sound bad for pms holders

>>59381413
If we reach the level where space mining becomes profitable, I think everyone here will be quite happy.

>>59381431
yeah but at the same time, everyone knows it. How will the price react when one of those asteroid mining companies successfully completes a mission?
The thing you are investing it is not scarce. It's just distant.

>>59381431
Silver isn't even worth being mined from existing silver mines, lmao you stacktards are the worst investors ever

>>59381407
>it shouldn't close before we get the pirate rounds in our hands.
I think that's the plan. Initially it was supposed to be closed by 1st of Nov, but like anything involving Matt it's getting a bit of delay kek.
But i guess by EOY all pirate rounds should have reached their destinations. Though December def. not is the best month to get your stuff delivered on time...
Even worse if you are a leaf with their asslong postal strike. I've got ebay packages lost in limbo for a month now and none of the tracking is working. The buyers are legitimately worried about their orders, and there is nothing i can do. Very frustrating, i want to punch a postal jeetleaf in the mouth.

>>59381407
He's never hesitated to extend preorder periods since he got his site, I'm not going to worry about it. I'm also not going to order anything else until I have the pirates in my hand and I'm not alone there even though I have cash ready to go. He'd be a fool to close at the end of the month.

>>59381413
>If you told me "a startup is planning to create the 21000001st bitcoin in 2025", i would have known instantly that it was a joke
How about "US government decides to use Litecoin to help pad out Bitcoin liquidity to save failing banks". Because they're the same fucking thing, and you're completely reliant on the government giving your vapor asset any value from here on forward. Now fuck off and kys. This is /pmg/ not a crypto debate thread. Go start one if you want to shit fling. We don't want you here.

Congrats to minty for making 280% premiums

AND

280 days of float

Lmao ,props he just keeps upping his game

>>59381431
also you are thinking it as "if that happens it means that pms price skyrocketed" but the other way around is also possible. Space tech could just become extremely cheaper. There's a lot of interest in space tech lately, isn't that true? Building rockets already costs a lot less than 10 years ago, for example. Look it up

>>59381491
>There's a lot of interest in space tech lately, isn't that true?
no, not really. Not at all even.

>>59380994
Ah yeah those look nice!

>>59381311
I saved various/random coins that were posted here before, if I thought they looked cool. But don't worry, your coins are safe. I'm only buying the very boring stuff nobody else wants (pic related).

>>59381484
US government? that only came into the picture like this year? how do you think we got there in the first place? crypto doesn't need governments, it's apparently the other way around
the only way a tech shift is possible (from btc to something else) is thru global consensus, if the partecipants of the btc network choose to change tech then sure, but why would they?

>>59381504
every time spacex farts in livestreaming half the world is watching, but ok sure

>>59381520
launching low orbit satellites =/= space

>>59381516
>bitcoin wasn't created by the US government to absorb liquidity
No. Now kys and gtfo the thread faggot.

>>59381528
didn't know mars was in our orbit, cool

>>59381483
I have the same policy of old order in hand, same day put in order for new rounds. maybe I'm getting nervous for no reason...

>>59381534
>you don't need meds before posting
these fake news are getting out of control

Post yer coins

>>59381546
Covid shot your mother

>>59381535
yeah cool, come back once Musk got his martian settlements ready then lol.

>>59381554
martial settlements? you seem to know about them, but... how?
i wonder if that's because there's global interest in these things?

>>59381546
>IQ doesnt want to off topic shit fling
Whats the matter faggot?

>>59381546
bitmaxis before
>we will use BTC to end government stranglehold and destroy Blackrock!
bitmaxis now
>the government is pumping our bags, and Blackrock is among the largest holders, so happy to get them on our team!

>>59381566
i literally wrote
>crypto doesn't need governments
are you ok buddy?

>>59381566
He shut up real fucking quick.

>>59381572
It was created by the government. Try to keep up retarded nigger.

>>59381573
>shut up real fucking quick
you replied 1 minute and 1 second after that post and i STILL managed to answer - ie do the exact opposite of your claim - quicker than you LMAO
this is pure comedy, thank you

>>59381545
Not for no reason, you are still transacting with Anonymous. I don't think Minty would do anything intentionally malicious, but performing one last, terminal flake isn't off the table. At least by getting the old order first you only risk losing one order to that rather than two.

>>59381583
That's your goal after all. Shitting up /pmg/ so no real discussion can be had while you hide behind your janny position.

>>59381581
i know it's not true because it was actually created by me
i'm satoshi nakamoto
you want proof? you first

>>59381592
>shit shit shit

Pretty funny that government haters buy worthless silver with government logos for valuable fiat

>>59381591
>now i'm suddenly a janny
peak schizo posting
>off topic
read this again:
>>59377464
based retard, never change

>>59381562
wtf are you sneeding lol? You are telling us space mining is on our doorstep and when i rebuke your claim because so far literally nothing have been done beside publicity stuns, you take it as a victory? Weird flex..
Public always have been interested in spacial adventures, doesn't mean it's about to become a reality. Give us tangible facts to back up your claims if you want to get taken seriously.
So i'm asking you in clear terms : So far, what have been done to get ready to mine into space?

>>59381528
The main Fox 'news' channel didn't report this at the time (probably because Elon wasn't fully in the Trump camp), but their business news branch did.
Expand your viewing.
https://www.space.com/polaris-dawn-altitude-record-gemini-11

>>59381609
You have been steering discussion to crypto for uncountable threads, hopping IPs, and removing reports against yourself.

We can play what if games all day about space mining and technological advancement. You are just grasping and trolling.
Bitcoin is not immune to the future either.

>>59381614
you wrote:
>no, not really. Not at all even.
in reply to:
>There's a lot of interest in space tech lately
please focus on "not AT ALL even"
i repeat for clarity: "A T A L L"
one post later you proceeded to give us an essay about spaceX activities, knowing about low orbit satellites, mars settlments...
are you ok?
>so i'm asking you in clear terms : So far, what have been done to get ready to mine into space?
space tech getting cheaper and cheaper, companies throwing money at tech space, AstroForge (and others) getting licenses, planning the next mission for early 2025
but i'm sure you studied this stufd for years and very deeply before investing in rocks, right? ... right anon?
YOU should be the one telling me how far we are with it, not me lmao
it's not me who's worried about it, i doubt they'll find many bitcoins out there

>>59381617
So let get me this straight : we should be bullish on space mining because a new manned mission reached 1440km altitude when we supposedly went 400,711km away over half a century ago to plant a flag on the moon?
Pic from your article.

>>59381621
never changed ip and i only joined the last 3 threads including this one
and this last one i only joined because i was literally called here by the first post, as you can read, otherwise i would have left you guys alone
you need meds, that's all

>>59381663
>YOU should be the one telling me how far we are with it, not me lmao
And that's what i'm doing. So far here are my findings about planned mining missions in space for the next hundred years : null.

>>59381685
2025 is one month away, you can't google "astroforge 2025"?

>>59381663
>space tech getting cheaper and cheaper, companies throwing money at tech space, AstroForge (and others) getting licenses, planning the next mission for early 2025
That's all nice and dandy, but i fear most enthusiasts do not have a single clue how complex it is to mine in such hostile environment. While we get the stuff ready to be mined just below our feet. There is no future where it's economically viable to reach to space for it. Unless we talk in millenias maybe.

>>59381716
That's cute, but all AstroGrift do is mining gulible investors' wallet.

>>59381740
He’s just grasping and will say anything. I the reality is, it cost over a billion dollars to bring back literal grams. All he can say is “the future, the future” but he doesn’t know what’s going to happen. His precious bitcoin isn’t future proofed but he won’t talk about that.

>>59381740
you sure buddy? here we are doing researches, talking about it as it's a real possibility, you know why? because it is, it's entirely possible
there are people actively working in companies right now every day whos fulltime job is doing exactly that, and they also claim space mining will be cheaper than mining on earth, but i guess you are just smarter and better informed than them, right?

>>59381760
>All he can say is “the future, the future” but he doesn’t know what’s going to happen
but you do
>His precious bitcoin isn’t future proofed but he won’t talk about that.
that's true but the people who have the power to replace BTC network with something else are exactly the same which are now in the BTC network
why would they shoot themselves in the foot?
the people investing in space mining are not the same that hold pms, do you see the difference?
>>59381755
i wonder what was their pitch? must have been pretty good
i wonder if anyone in that room raised the same doubts you have? i guess no, right? they just like to lose money

>>59381779
>but you do
I’m just looking at reality anon.
> The cost of commercial asteroid mining is unclear, but NASA’s OSIRIS-REx mission, which returned a small sample from Bennu, took 7 years and cost over $1 billion.

>>59381798
and how much time ago was that? a fucktone
what will those numbers be like next year? what about 10 years from now? is your investment strategy based on human progress to stop / slow down?

>>59381818
You’re dreaming. How long until Elon terraforms mars? Do you have your ticket yet?

>>59381669
>we should be bullish on space mining because
No - not at all. I'm pointing out that SpaceX is doing more than just going achieving LEO. Despite what you may think is possible or not, mankind will reach deeper into space.
As for mining for the riches of precious metals, I agree that's a little boy's dream. Mining for structural metals and fuel materials - that will not only become real, it will be necessary for further expansion.

>>59381837
i don't know anon, you always tell me how gold and silver are VITAL to humanity, they are absolutely fondamental for humans and there's no much of them on Earth
doesn't it make sense that society will do everything it can to get more? they are super important for us, right? we can't live without it, and having more will benefits all humans
if they are so important their scarcity is simply BAD for humans as a species
is this what you are betting against? human progress? the ability of humans to get more of a fundamental resource from their surroundings?

which is it? they are important, so humans will always be looking for ways to get more of them, or they aren't and we already have enough?
oh man, if only we could have a store of value which is not a natural element, which the universe is full of, but with an artificially defined max supply instead... it really sounds like a good property for a store of value

Lol so I guess the mods and jannies just truly don't give a shit do they?

>>59381877
Just filter bitcoin, BTC, crypto, KYC and ID's that talk about it in your filter settings. It is clear something is going to happen to precious metals in the near future due to the recent massive influx of crypto shills.

>>59381033
I scanned I think all of the 20 marks, front and back. I had been meaning to do this since I'm making an inventory anyway. never mind the paper sleeves, just there because it has a reference number on there for the inventory

>>59381951
back of set 1

>>59381956
set 2

>>59381966
back of set 2

>>59381971
set 3

>>59381977
back of set 3

>>59381900
Smart, you don't want to learn about 1000% gains that would ruin your losing streak you work so hard for.

Us real investors can read the tea leaves.

A 4 YEAR PUMP and then sell tax free

>>59381981
only 3 20 mark pieces in the last set, so I included some others, including the ugly man on the silver

It's kind of funny boomers are rotating out of retard rocks and Millenials are buying the bags. Boomers win again. Thanks Larry Fink

>>59381990
back of last set

>>59381396
>2½ Thaler - Karl I (
these aren't even cheap

>>59381396
thanks, added all of this to my spreadsheet

>>59381987
I have learnt about 1000% gains, the issue is that it is spammed in a general that has nothing to do with it.

>>59381981
>>59381977
>>59381981
>>59381971
>>59381966
>>59381956
>>59381951
wow, what an amazing collection. you should really consider keeping at least a few of these. most of these would go for over spot imo. hamburgs, the saxony ones, the prussia 1915 / 1888. don't sell these for melt like a nigger fren
Some of these are real nice and will 100% get a nice premium over melt. Hamburgs usually go w

>>59382128
well i did a real good job proofreading my post again

>>59381765
> and they also claim space mining will be cheaper than mining on earth
the fact you can believe such ridiculous nonsense tells me you have not a SINGLE clue about how a mining operation works and your words have basically negative value.

>but i guess you are just smarter and better informed than them, right?
Acshually, yes. I am.

>>59381779
>i wonder if anyone in that room raised the same doubts you have? i guess no, right? they just like to lose money
Brother, we live in clownworld, where companies with a PE of 1000 and who clear 500M are valued more than all chinese companies combined, where rose party hats from a long dead vydia are worth a lambo and where there are real estate agents for NFT homes on the metaverse. So yes, cretins throw their money at anything, especially empty promises about le spacioport. This shitcoin board is a testimony to this.

>>59382073
>>59382073
ROFL they're so butthurt about us filtering them.
Keep on stacking frens!

>>59381951
>>59381956
>>59381966
>>59381971
>>59381977
>>59381981
that's fantastic anon, what a great collection, and the condition seems really nice too. If you have the means to do so, definitely purchase the other half from your brother at spot or with a little added premium and keep it all.

>>59382048
my pleasure

>>59382284
>the fact you can believe
This level of delusion is called “magical thinking”

>>59382354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INSSi-XbMA4

despite this being a crypto channel, the guy being interviewed talks about gold a bit. high price targets. plus marty is an anon.

>>59382284
I'm putting together a team.

Am I an unreliable redneck?
Sure.

Do I know anything about space or asteroid?
Fuck no.

But fuck, that's not gonna damn well stop me drilling.

>>59382403
keked out loud

>>59382284
>>59382319
see >>59381860
your investment is a bet against the human ability to get fundamental resources from their surroundings, which we are historically pretty good at
the more important the resource is, the more effort we'll put into getting it
so either pms are not that important for humanity, or humanity will focus on getting more of them as soon as possible. Choose one, there's no third option

I have one of these heading to me but it's going to take almost two whole weeks before I have it in my hands.

>>59382486
>just ignore physics
>>59382403
LOL

gold and silver best dragon ranks

>>59382486
is that why evs are working out so well

Oy vey!
Definitely not the type of anon wanted in here
Apparently the anon that is allowed
>What a proppa cunt innit?
Stupid fucking jannie!
STOP dilating!

>post in thread criticizing BTC
>anons saying BTC good
>give them the same "its just another form of fiat" and related arguments
>each post I make restarts the 15min timer to post
>on home internet, not in a car mobile posting
Site staff is definitely in on the anti-PM narrative. I was skeptical before but that is enough proof for me.

>>59382486
I stock away food ammo and fuel, but I don't call those "investments." I use gold and silver the same way, but it stores away value. I'm not expecting an active return on them, and if you think that's the point you're an uneducated baboon.

>>59382548
To clarify, the OP was criticizing crypto. I wasn't just picking fights at random.

Useless, jannie is trannie, can only gibs bannie…
>wont ban the one that is not like the others
Nigger cunt!

>>59382510
do make sure to post when it arrives Anon those kinebars always look phenomenal

>>59382486
we will make gold and silver through nuclear fusion (which is a trillion times more expensive than mining) before we go to space for metals. Gold and silver will always be scarce by defnition. once we have the capabilities for space mining, our society and its needs have progressed to such a point that the extra supply wouldn't make it a common metal.

Bitcoiners have it so easy getting rich it's really not fair to us stackers who work so hard

>>59382612
>by definition
nope, not at all
btc is scarce by definition, pms aren't even scarce in general, just a little bit far
but we'll get there, sooner than you think
astroforge's next mission is early next year, aren't you excited humanity will be one step closer to get more of a very important resource? that's good for humans, no? it's what we should be rooting for

>>59382319
>This shitcoin board is a testimony to this.
They were called penny stocks when there was still print media

>>59382513
physics says it's perfectly doable, it has been done already
it just costs too much today, but we are very good at improving that kind of stuff, and apparently very quickly

>>59382985
>and apparently very quickly
Really what makes you say this?
Unfortunately I think this is the kind of delusional thinking that leads one to invest in internet tokens, but if you have information please share.
Currently it costs about $500 million an ounce to bring back ~4 ozs

>>59382982
they still call penny stocks penny stocks

>>59383046
"Rockets are significantly cheaper"
"The economic picture has improved with the cost of rocket launches decreasing"
"Launching rockets and their payloads into space is expensive, but it used to be very expensive. Soon it will be pretty cheap.
How much it costs to launch a kilogram of payload into space depends on many factors, like if is to low-Earth orbit (LEO) or higher up, how exact the orbit needs to be and of course what the payload is.
Launching the space shuttle cost $54,500 per kilo. The new small Electron rocket brings a kilo into space for $19,000. Similar to the Russian Soyuz's $18,000. Europe's workhorse, Ariane, gets you there for $9,000. The Chinese Long March is around $8,000. These are not exact costs, but should give you a ballpark figure. Here you can check the cost for several different rockets."
"The economic benefits of reusable launch vehicles are considerable. Using a reusable rocket over a traditional rocket can be up to 65% cheaper."
"A testament to the success of reusable launch vehicles is SpaceX’s Falcon 9.
The Falcon 9 is a reusable, two-stage rocket designed and manufactured by SpaceX for safely transporting people and payloads into Earth orbit and beyond. As the world’s first orbital class reusable rocket, this rocket can refly its most expensive parts, which drives down the cost of space access. Powered by SpaceX’s Merlin engine, the Falcon 9 booster can be reused over 10 times, with minimal maintenance between flights.
SpaceX has achieved multiple successful landings and relaunches, showing the potential for mission frequency in reusable rockets."

and much much more from different articles, that you can check out yourself
basically the bottom line is that companies are actively investing billions into space tech, improving it year by year and reducing the costs in any way possible
this shouldn't surprise us since pms are useful, it's obvious that we are doing what we can to get them as fast as we can, no?

>>59383046
>Currently it costs about $500 million an ounce to bring back ~4 ozs
yeah that's too much, that's why a lot of very smart people are working on reducing the costs and they improve constantly
because pms are important for humanity, are they not? the more the price of pms rises, the more humanity will invest into ways to get more of them. This means that pms prices have a clear and well defined ceiling: the only possible reason why we won't be space mining any time soon is that it will simply never become profitable, meaning pms price will never increase above a threshold

>>59382985
>it has been done already
"It" - what has been done? Are you referring to sample returns like from Bennu? Or the JAXA missions?

>>59383206
If we get to a point where we are harvesting minerals from space profitably, I don’t think it matters what you are invested in because everyone will be wealthy.
Let’s just hope the Singularity doesn’t wipe us out in this sci-fi world we’re heading into.

>>59383209
"The likes of JAXA, Japan’s space agency, and NASA have already brought asteroid samples back to Earth, proving, at least to an extent, that it can be done.
China plans to launch a mission in 2025 to collect samples from a near-Earth asteroid, while the United Arab Emirates’ Space Agency is planning to explore the asteroid belt with a mission scheduled to launch in 2028."
"NASA has a spacecraft en route to asteroid Psyche, which is orbiting the Sun between Mars and Jupiter, but it won’t get there until 2029. By some estimates, the iron in the 140-mile-wide metal-rich asteroid is worth $10,000 quadrillion – more than the value of the entire global economy. (Gialich says that NASA scientists have been excellent allies, providing invaluable expertise to AstroForge.)
Some in the scientific community are skeptical that the private sector will be able to afford asteroid mining. NASA’s OSIRIS-REx mission, the first US mission to collect an asteroid sample and bring it back to Earth, cost hundreds of millions of dollars, excluding launch cost. Its return of just 122 grams, which landed in a Utah desert last year, is the largest asteroid sample ever collected."
“This actually is not a question of if it can be done from a physics standpoint,” says Gialich. “It’s a question of can you do it so it makes any monetary sense.”

precisely as i said:
>physics says it's perfectly doable, it has been done already
>it just costs too much today

>>59383266
>precisely as I said
I think the debate here is your timeline. You act like it’s rapidly progressing and will happen in the next decade or two.
I don’t see how we can go from bringing back 120 grams at $1 billion to profitably mining tons of metal in our lifetime. The trips themselves take years to complete.

did you sell your gold for magic internet beans yet anons ?

you better do it, or this retards will get liquidated

>>59383306
>You act like it’s rapidly progressing and will happen in the next decade or two.
well no, i don't know that
i just wouldn't bet much money on human progress to stop or slow down; those are facts:
- companies are investing billions into space tech
- costs for space missions decreased in the last years
- there are companies currently working, planning and executing missions with the exact goal of mining asteroids
it's not a theory, it's a plan. Just some years ago we created machines that pass the Turing test: humans are capable of incredible things if they want to solve a problem. If pms are important, their scarcity is a problem for humanity. How fast we'll want to get rid of this problem entirely depends on its value; the only reason why we may not want to solve this problem soon is that it's not worth doing it, meaning pms prices never reached that level. Basically the opposite of what a good investment for the future should look like

>>59383349
lol this has got to be a set up

>>59383349
Lmao, funny think is stacktards are liquidating their shitrocks and buying bitcoin. It's not complicated everyone except rock cultmembers understand

>>59383266
I'm familiar with the missions - that's why I mentioned them.
Returning grams of samples is very much different from returning refined materials from mined ore, or even the raw ore itself. The purpose of these return missions is to study the compositions of a hopefully fairly homogeneous body, because the these teaspoons of samples come from just one teeny tiny spot on each.
>[mining] has been done already
No, mining has NOT yet been done.
Implying there is no distinction between mining and a nascent ability to return samples is following a tangent into science fantasy. Mining may be something for later generations (not you, even if you're young) and unwise for anyone to base an investment plan on.
The mining that *will* happen will only be to build structures and/or craft to continue expansion.

It's very costly to worship your enemy .

Lmao duuuuuuuuh!

>>59383379
I don’t think a technology that will potentially take centuries to develop really affects the current investment in precious metals.

>>59383349
What a moron.

>>59383484
He's a billionaire and you are a brokie....lmao he's telling you how to get rich just like i did but noooooo says the culttard

>>59383494
I have silver and gold I'm far from broke. He may be a paper billionaire but I guarantee you he also owns PMs because he knows the music will have to stop at some point.

>>59383349
And then once Russia, China, and friends have all the gold all they need to do is use a few pulse weapons and all the digital assets are wiped out while they hold all the wealth. gg ez

>>59383436
that's true. Scientists are working to solve those issues and go from a proof of concept to the actual thing. If pms scarcity is a problem we will fix it; if we don't fix it it's because it's not that big of a deal. Both of the possibilities look bad for pms as a long term investments.
>>59383455
Maybe. Or maybe we'll see some exponential growth in those fields that will drastically accelerate the timeline. Personally i wouldn't be so confident and calm in taking the anti-human side here, historically it's not a winning side. And let's not forget that the market will frontrun all of this. Sellers won't wait for the technology to be fully developed and operational, if a successful mining mission hits the news everyone will realize that pms are (potentially) not that scarce anymore, and react accordingly.
Yeah, maybe we'll be all dead before that happens, but it's a very very brave bet

>>59383349
>>59382354
glowkikes showing their real face and agenda with BTC : stealing your gold in exchange for digital beanie babies.
To think some ppl are retarded enough to fall for such psyop is quite sad desu

>>59381474
I have many packages in limbo (sent before the strike, some after). The wife has an online store with a few items in the mix. Waiting on payments to clear when things are delivered. Anyone and everyone works for CP. Half of them are borderline retarded and it's amazing they get by day to day. CP is not a skilled trade. I'm all for giving people the pay they want but their employer is losing a quarter billion dollars each year. They won't be working for much longer with these agreements. They are not skilled, so easily replaceable. Most of the country has switched over to online for their bills. CP workers are glorified junk mail delivery system and are holding the country hostage during the holidays. Either side you are on, it's bad for optics. People are pissed, they aren't united and on the side of those striking for a better collective agreement. I don't think they will get what they want, and I expect it to end in two weeks, unironically, but they lost the moment they held everyone up at the busiest time of the year. CP has a history of labor disputes but in this day and age you have to ask yourself what leverage do you have as a union to strike? The answer in this case is not much.

>>59383657
Think of the resulting chaos

There's your great reset

>>59383596
I don’t think it’s as brave as investing your life savings in a brand new technology, but that’s me.

>>59383670
i just saw the notice we have on the usps site for the mail strike. seems crazy... how long is that supposed to last? are you guys not getting any mail then?

>>59383876
Lmao, usps shuts down the metaltards

That's worthy of a kektop!

>>59383899
no canada nigger

>>59383596
>Maybe. Or maybe we'll see some exponential growth in those fields that will drastically accelerate the timeline.
again, just like evs. working on battery tech nonstop since the 60's and 70's and look at how far we've come. we may not be able to get to the bottom of the ocean, but we will be colonizing mars momentarily.

>>59383876
Most mail is delivered by CP. They have been on strike for four weeks. Some businesses use FedEx, ups, other private currier systems so it doesn't effect them. Amazon isn't effected but some people do rely on CP for bills, general letters and pscksges or in a lot of cases if you haven't set up an online account with the government and have direct deposit, you are cut off from whatever benefits you normally receive a check for during the last month. Half of out east is starving because they have no benefits.

What are your best gold mining companies, nerds?

>>59376271
I don't understand why people on this board have this all or nothing mindset. You know you can have gold and bitcoin simultaneously, right?

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>>59381971
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The provenance associated with your coins is fascinating and could confer significant additional value to collectors if verifiable. Seems like some coins are too young to have been part of King Umberto's personal collection as indicated by the flips but if you could get access to an auction or sale catalog from the 1967 sale referred to by the envelopes and confirm that the coins you have match the lot number descriptions and were indeed part of a royal collection then they'll definitely be worth a bit more than the same coins without such provenance.