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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about. Don't be a HODLtard.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://xmrbazaar.com/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/?t=service&q=&xmr=on

>Shop on Amazon with XMR!
https://monezon.com
https://peershop.app

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Anonymous burner phone numbers
https://silent.link/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.vegas/
https://sigmanero.org/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Babylon #
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>DrugTown #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Gramazon #
>Hectate Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Smackers
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
>Whales Market #
>Wizard's Palace #
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fF95wTNi


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED

or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me
https://unstoppableswap.net
http://basicswapdex.com


>Want to support further development?
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan?
https://www.monerochan.art/

>How to *safely* acquire, store and spend XMR

An optimal XMR user set-up involves 2 separate wallets: an offline cold wallet (savings account) and an online hot wallet (chequing account) for everyday spending. XMR amounts larger than a few hundred dollars worth should not be stored on a hot wallet for obvious reasons. So ideally, you'll want to direct all payments/donations to your cold wallet by default and then transfer smaller amounts over to your hot wallet as necessary.

Relying on 3rd party hardware wallets comes with certain security caveats so they are not recommended. Instead, its surprisingly easy to engineer a very robust storage solution yourself using readily available hardware: a laptop and a smartphone.

>Laptop

This will be running Featherwallet and must be *permanently* disabled from ever connecting to the internet again! That means physically removing the M.2 Bluetooth/Wi-Fi card and gumming up the ethernet port with superglue.

OS should be Linux rather than Windows, preferably a Debian-based lightweight distro. Encrypting the relevant user directory with LUKS is recommended but not essential.

It must have a functional webcam.


>Smartphone

This can be your primary device. It will host both your hot wallet e.g. Cake, Monerujo, etc and the NERO view-only wallet that is paired with your laptop.

To set everything up: https://4rkal.com/posts/feathernero/

NOTE: if you don't have a laptop you can use another smartphone and install the ANON wallet onto it, its essentially the same thing but with somewhat weaker security guarantees. Video guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJqYzZyqyno

>In a nutshell

- you accept all (substantial) payments to your cold wallet.
- you monitor incoming payments on NERO.
- you initiate the transfer of funds from your cold wallet to hot wallet on NERO and sign the TX on your laptop via QR codes.
- you spend the funds and help grow the XMR economy.


FYI this is the most secure storage solution currently available.

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.

I am from Norway. Can I use xmr to buy normal everyday items? How can I get xmr? It is not on coinbase which my father uses.

>>59281579
Stick to using cash and credit cards, you sound extremely retarded and underaged.

>>59281579
No you can't really use XMR to buy everyday items but you can try to find someone who will sell them for monero

You can get XMR by swaping on trocador.app from another coin that you bought on coinbase

>>59281430
monero winning every month

>>59282195
What's the use for it then?

>>59281579
>Can I use xmr to buy normal everyday items?

Buying XMR to spend it on white market goods/services really only makes sense if you're getting a grey market discount.

However, if you're earning XMR then spending it directly makes sense even if you're not getting a discount or paying slightly more, since conversion fees + KYC take their toll.

Currently, we've only just started expanding the Monero economy into the grey zone so the selection of available goods and services is still tiny. But if you *really* want to buy something with XMR there are concierge (middleman) services available that can do that for you, at a premium of course.

You can also go shopping on Amazon with XMR using https://monezon.com or https://peershop.app

Check back often, the counter-economy never sleeps.

>How can I get xmr?

Earn it if possible. Otherwise, DEX.

>>59282297
>monero winning every month

Hello fellow Monero extremists,

After insisting for a long time I finally convinced a big streamer to start accepting Monero Superchats through https://xmrchat.com/ and not just the regular superchats that use the banking system.

He has asked me for a simple way to explain to people how to obtain/buy Monero, so I was thinking on updating this outdated flowchart to make it as concise and simple as possible.
Huge guides are a huge friction for a potential adopter.

Please give me ideas and suggestions.

>>59284849
Here is my tentative new version.
Tell me what you think.

Reporting in
##################################
Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU (embed)
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L (embed)
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6 (embed)
##################################

Reporting in

If I use a remote node over Tor, can I be traced?

>>59285153
you can be traced if you are sitting in a hole in the dirt with no electronics, doing absolutely nothing.

That being said, it's probably unlikely. Educate yourself on infosec so you don't have to constantly ask "is this okay" for every move you make online.

>>59285153

When in doubt, run your own node.

>>59284849
Who did you convince?

>>59285087
>Here is my tentative new version.
>Tell me what you think.

Kraken EU delisted Monero.

HavenoReto has been rebranded to RetoSwap.

>>59287948
>EU and europoors always talk big about muh privacy
>Kraken EU delisted Monero
>quick search says because of "regulatory scrutiny"
make sense of this

>>59281430
>Problem OFAC
Yes anon, we have a big problem. We require an itemized accounting of over twenty million in bank deposits you have tagged as "based and fungible" which you have not filed taxes for. Otherwise you are looking at taxes on twenty million in undeclared gains, interest, penalties, charges of money laundering, and sanctions violations.

>>59287948
I knew about Kraken but since there's no direct way to get Monero in the EU from a CEX, it's still easier to get LTC from Kraken and then quickly swap it on Trocador I'd say. You have a better idea?

And as for HavenoReto, I found nothing under the Retoswap name, the website and GitHub are still called Haveno Reto, am I missing something?

>>59288025
The EU is big on privacy from corporations. Not from the states.
They don't want Facebook to spy on you too hard, but they want to know every single financial move you make.

It's about keeping all the power and not delegating the data gathering to corporations like the USA does.

>>59290093
>it's still easier to get LTC from Kraken and then quickly swap it on Trocador I'd say. You have a better idea?

Yeah, that'll work.

MyNymBox sales stats for November are in, XMR continues to dominate.

Bitcoiner starts a Monero fundraiser, laser-eyed maxifaggots get triggered. A tale old as time.

>>59290329
Kinda weird to have a bitcoin fanclub but then take donations in monero.

>>59290684
Not weird when you're a turd worlder and the entire point is to grift for gibs

>>59290696
I have a hard time imagining what that's like so it's weird to me.

>>59290716

There was an XMR fundraiser a while back for some Cubans who wanted to set up a "freedom meshnet" to help grow Monero adoption there. As soon as they got the money they rebranded to a BCH effort and continued the grift.

https://kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/qwhy/

>>59290716
There are organizations down there dedicated to documenting every airdrop, play to earn, learn to earn, etc., project and teaching hordes of beaners how to farm them for gibs. The pittance they earn can be several times their usual salary. They don't care if it's benevolent Bitcoin, Monero, or shitcoin holders, free gibs are free gibs.

>>59287597
Josh/Null, owner of KiwiFarms, he's doing the Mad at the Internet podcast. 20-30k people watching twice a week.

>>59285087
I also made a secondary flowchart.
My target in mind is people that don't know shit about crypto and are not the smartest (in my mind I was trying to explain it to women). Do you have an idea of how to make it even more simple/painless?

>>59291701
>Josh/Null, owner of KiwiFarms,

Not bad.

>>59291701
Update, I made even simpler, simple enough for you to have your wife/mother follow it.
Not optimal in terms of getting more Monero per dollar since the fees are higher when direct buying, but it's for people that are not in the crypto world at all.

>>59292399
There's no way using litecoin is cheaper than BTC for swapping to XMR unless you're doing like $5 worth. This has always seemed like wrong advice that has been perpetuated because people just repeat what other say instead of thinking for themselves.

>>59292438
It's cause of over the top anti-Bitcoinism, rather than just being chill about what Monero does and what Bitcoin does.

>>59287948
>HavenoReto has been rebranded to RetoSwap.
Good. The Monero space has some of the worst names. Like Trocodar. Wtf is that? Ugly, unmemorable, not even descriptive.

>>59292438
>>59292459
>There's no way using litecoin is cheaper than BTC for swapping to XMR
How so? Please explain, if you're correct I'll change the chart.

>>59292462
>Trocodar
Trocador means "exchanger" or "changer" in Spanish/Portuguese/Esperanto.

What are the chances bitcoin adds zero knowledge privacy and makes monero obsolete?

>>59292467
How could it not be? There is no such thing as swapping LTC for XMR, the swap site obviously performs 2 swaps using BTC in the background and will therefore pass on the cost of spread and fees from 2 trades. The only thing you save is the transaction fee from exchange to swap site is lower with LTC but you'd have to be swapping very small amounts for that to matter since bitcoin fees are low these days.

>>59292487
None. Zero.
Bitcoin is now a coin for institutions, and because of laws and regulations in many countries it would basically mean for them to give up on Bitcoin, they have no reason to ever do that.

Of course you can always do layer 2 privacy, but it sucks and will never be enough.

One day another coin will surely come and beat Monero at the privacy game, but that won't be Bitcoin.

>>59292476
>Esperanto
Yes, coming up with names based on a made up kike language has been a disaster.

>>59292494
>There is no such thing as swapping LTC for XMR
???
We're talking about regular centralized swap service swaps, not atomic swaps.
Of course services like ChangeNOW have both currencies and will exchange one for the other without having to do an additional hop for Bitcoin.

Reminder that the flowchart makes the user do everything through CakeWallet, because it's the simplest way I thought of.

>>59292510
The easiest way to know would be to turn $50 into XMR via both LTC and BTC and see which yields more Monero. You probably don't have to actually execute the swap to find out.

>>59292526
You're right. Let's do it:

100 USD = 1.06843314279609 LTC
1.06843314279609 LTC = 0.61829033 in CakeWallet
0.61829033 XMR = 97.77 USD

100 USD = 0.0010602679636429874 BTC
0.0010602679636429874 BTC = 0.6161574 XMR in CakeWallet
0.6161574 XMR = 97.43 USD

It's same shit. I'll keep LTC because it has lower fees on average and less network issues.

>>59292459
I think it was probably true for some trades at one point in time and maybe it still is sometimes but no one ever checks for themself. It reminds me of when the tail emission was always quoted here to start at 18.7 million XMR, which is just wrong but no one ever deviated from that wrong answer even though I told them many times.

>>59292547
Fair enough and I guess there's no need to get too efficient with this since ease of access is the biggest barrier. I personally always want the best deal and would be comparing between sites and methods for a 0.5% better deal. In normieland, they're pissing away half their money before the youtuber even has a chance to get taxed.

>>59292818
>I think it was probably true for some trades at one point in time and maybe it still is sometimes but no one ever checks for themself. It reminds me of when the tail emission was always quoted here to start at 18.7 million XMR, which is just wrong but no one ever deviated from that wrong answer even though I told them many times.
Haha I remember when everyone was wrong and I kept correcting them too. They argued that 187 was a meme now so nothing could be done about it. Silly people.
I guess I could delete this old picture from my computer now.

>>59292963
Classic. I would link to the code and add that it was actually pretty cool that it was the largest 64-bit integer. Usually got crickets.

>>59291701
>Josh/Null, owner of KiwiFarms
Well done. Where's his streams at?

>>59293281
He streams everywhere but on YouTube (banned, obviously), but most people watch on Rumble.
https://rumble.com/c/madattheinternet/livestreams

>>59292487

LOL as if

Oh well, better luck next time!

Don't worry, I expect Tether will fire up the printer soon and get things pumping again.

im this close to selling half my monero

convince me not too

>>59297571
Why would you?
Even if you wanted to, sell them at 160+, not 152.

>you had a strict opsec for years
>keep a low profile everywhere
>hide wealth from gov, family, everyone
>fake poverty, live a minimalist lifestyle
>then you are selling on p2p, and the one who buy from you is your neighbor
Whatdo.

>>59297571
>im this close to selling half my monero
>
>convince me not too

>>59297604
>Why would you?

feels like losing purchasing power with it due to inflation.

Monero is more of a stable coin now, so will just use it as such anytime i need to purchase in privacy

>>59297606
>Whatdo.

Uh, like literally your next door neighbor?

>>59297629
>feels like losing purchasing power with it due to inflation.

If you feel like this will always be the case then yeah, absolutely sell.

>>59297571
Why settle for half measures? If you believe in its long-term potential, commit wholeheartedly, if not, walk away.

>>59297668
That's silly. I believe in Monero as a financial technology but won't put all my money in it, it's just not pragmatic or financially sound.
Most of my money is in normal funds doing +3-5% per year to not lose too much against inflation, and I have like <5% in Monero as a gamble and in case very bad things happen.

If anyone here has all his funds in Monero I'd like to hear why that is.

I reached number 1 on the national dex ladder of Pokemon showdown with the name of monerochan,

I will do normal ou if you support me.

8AQx39WTuEWbsKEDKQNEKZgSsG4kXAk6mdyED9jTsQgFKDh1yXAUSoRBTnbZUGsDp8jQPRrayAGdn3eEqzcU9xQ7StueEZL

>>59297632
Yes.

>>59298318
Proof: https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/ladder

Some of the last games:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2251018380?p2
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2251020325-ns1ds1uvm5zgblvd8oqhgmxkv9dv8lapw?p2

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2251022182-hnkxi92jep6awm7t2qri2axz85h43jopw?p2

With this game I reached number 1

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2251587902?p2

This one was just for the lols and trolls but we won, we reached number 1

So why exactly don't coinjoin and lightning make Monero obsolete?

>>59297783
>normal funds doing +3-5% per year
like what? S&P 500 has ~14% annualized return over last 5 years.

>>59298807
lightning is an interactive protocol (you need to run a node or use a custodial wallet) with low acceptance rate. coinjoin is trash privacy and DOJ is shutting down coordinators (wasabi and samourai are both gone).
that said you should not hold Monero - just set aside some Bitcoin for swaps whenever you need to make a purchase. inflation / lack of price appreciation is the biggest killer for Monero.

>>59298807
Because chain analysis can track those.
Making it useless for anyone that needs privacy.

>>59298807
They don't make bitcoin fungible, they don't make bitcoin scalable, and it's questionable whether they even make bitcoin private.

>>59299015
>that said you should not hold Monero - just set aside some Bitcoin for swaps whenever you need to make a purchase

yes, hold the coin backed by hot air and speculative mania

Using other currencies than Monero makes me feel so exposed.

>>59301044
Least spooky Monerochan

>>59300707
just look at the chart nigger

>>59301522
It'll be 500k and that glowie will still be posting about how it's going to zero.

>>59301522
>just look at the chart nigger

>It's still real to me, dammit

>>59301615
>It'll be 500k

Magic Internet Money

>>59284849
>>59291701
>>59292399
really cool dude. does xmrchat only work with a twitch/youtube account? lots of people on rumble etc. that could use it imo

have you made some gains from shitcoins this bullrun? or is your stack 100% monero?
I've noticed monero people aren't actually into crypto all that much

Is Bitcoin Cash a scam? There's a whole community on r slash btc that's shilling it.

In related news, Tether has announced they won't be complying with MiCA regulations and shan't be printing anymore EURT.

Meanwhile, Circle has fully complied and is already licensed to begin issuing EURC and USDC in the EU.

>>59302233
>does xmrchat only work with a twitch/youtube account?

Its entirely separate.

>>59281430
pedo coin

>>59302436
>have you made some gains from shitcoins this bullrun?

Sure, I've achieved generational wealth thanks to $FARTCOIN.

>or is your stack 100% monero?

What stack?

>I've noticed monero people aren't actually into crypto all that much

Monero people tend to be more ideologically-driven than FOMO-driven.

Meaning that they value actual utility more than ponzinomics.

>>59302606
>Is Bitcoin Cash a scam?

Its as much of a scam as Litecoin.

>>59301968
For years businesses figured out they had a free money glitch by getting super cheap loans from the government, releasing their own credit cards, then re-loaning that money out to customers at a much higher interest rate. Now they've figured out holding that cheap credit in Bitcoin gives a way better return than issuing cards. Microstrategy obviously, but now Marathon Digital, Microsoft is voting on holding Bitcoin next month.

>>59297606
Do nothing, he just thinks you're based af.

>>59303022
>For years businesses figured out they had a free money glitch by getting super cheap loans from the government, releasing their own credit cards, then re-loaning that money out to customers at a much higher interest rate.

Ah, yes, paying customers who stand to gain easier access to goods & services by having a credit card.


>Now they've figured out holding that cheap credit in Bitcoin gives a way better return than issuing cards.

And who are the paying customers in this scenario?


>Microstrategy obviously

I'm told the CEO has an impressive track record.


>Microsoft is voting on holding Bitcoin next month.

They've indicated no interest so Saylor is now begging for a 3 minute audience to convince them otherwise.

https://www.blockhead.co/2024/11/20/microsofts-board-didnt-want-bitcoin-now-michael-saylor-will-pitch-it-to-them/

PLZ BUY MY BAGZ

>>59302233
XMRchat is an external website, you can use it with everything. Just give people the link and they can donate Monero with a message.

>>59302606
>Is Bitcoin Cash a scam? There's a whole community on r slash btc that's shilling it.
As much a scam as 99% of other cryptos, which means it's just a pyramid investing scheme that has no actual use whatsoever. It's a speculatory asset.

Is fluffypony really working with the feds? And if so, could he hurt monero in some way?

>>59281430
"">>59304242


ARE YOU ACTUALLY MENTALLY RETARDED FUCKING DISGUSTING ANIMAL.

Even if what u were saying was true, ur just indirectly saying my Iq is above 130, and do the math i made more money than a doctor in the same time period. More than a surgeon. I FUCKING SHILLED SHIBA INU HERE ON MARCH 07, 2021 WHEN ELON TWEETED IT, and bought and sold 180b shiba inus.


YOU ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS INCEL.

You are not doing anything productive from saving these poor fellow incel anons from losing a 0.005 eth. You absolutely retarded animal,

Literally kys, i know u got nothing to live for. Ur parents probably are disappointed in u.

Ur just wasting ur miserable worthless life u filthy wigger incel. Too pussy to even drop ur ig.

Also i know all those 5 comments were u (except maybe one), u szchio worthless wigger.

Dont worry about saving incels anons from losing 0.005 eth, worry about ending ur own life u disgusting animal.""
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>>59301615
>>59301956
it's going to zero against everything not just BTC. ETH, SOL, you name it. it's even on a downtrend against ZEC. you don't realize Monero has a problem?
>inb4 muh moral victories
>inb4 xmr still numba one

>>59302606
It's Bitcoin. You don't actually hold a full Bitcoin unless you hold 1 BTC and 1 BCH and 1 BSV.

>>59304679
As soon as he got arrested he gave up all control of pages, wallets, etc. just to avoid a loss of trust in the project.
The good thing about FOSS projects is that even if the core devs got corrupted we would know right away because we see the code.

As it currently is, no one on earth has the power to destroy Monero. If anyone had that power the government would've knocked on his door.
That's the whole point of decentralization, and that's why Telegram failed.

>>59305063
>against ZEC
You are retarded.

FCMP++ makes ztrash superfluous.

>>59305165
yeah, just two more weeks

>>59305063
Monero has a stable transaction amount and stable price, it makes sense.
Because it's delisted almost everywhere it doesn't fluctuate as much, very little speculation is taking place.

If you want to gamble on crypto, Monero isn't the coin to do it on lol. It actually has a use.

>>59305224
if you stay flat in USD terms you are losing against the money printer. simple as.
your groceries (lmao) went up 30%, Monero didn't.

>>59305063
You fail to understand that we are still pre CBDC.
We still live in a time, where you can transact privately with cash and we have no social credit scoring and no carbon footprint put onto every product or service.

The demand for Monero will rise massively, when people realize the goberment wants them to give up essential lifestyle habits and rights for bullshit reasons.
Monero releases you from this digital prison, since you can buy/sell goods and services with it, without the goberment ever knowing.

Once such times are come, people will try to get Monero, but Monero holders will have low to almost now incentives to exchange their XMR to a 100% surveiled BTC.
And that's because of obvious reasons. How do you want to explain the BTC you swapped changing ownership and to whom and what did you buy with them?
They will charge you for money laudering and tax evasion and whatnot.

There will be two ways left for no-XMR people to obtain Moneros: Sell stuff they own, or provide their workforce and skill for XMR.
And XMR will then be worth a lot more than it is now. Demand and supply.

I will let you mow my lawn for years and i only pay you 0.5 XMR for that. If you even get this much, maybe you will get even less because XMR will rise much higher.

>>59305237
Yes, Monero isn't an investment, it's the same as having cash, but digital.
That's the whole point of Monero.

Is there something you don't understand? Monero isn't to make money, it's not a speculatory asset.

>>59305261
>demand for Monero will rise massively
what you fail to understand is that to make money you can't just have a correct-ish thesis you must also get the timing right. in the last five years Monero holders have lost 80% against Bitcoin. I'd rather have 5x the assets than a vague hope.
>but when they REALLY bring the globohomo all those BTC holders will mow our lawns for fractions of XMR
two more weeks

>>59305292
Really, refuting the developent of our time and in what direction it goes is your one and only argument?

>>59305330
These threads are built on ignoring Bitcoin as the development of our time so why are you surprised?

>>59305279
Making money? What money? The US dollar is constantly losing value. Going up against the US dollar hardly counts as speculation when everything has to by definition go up against the US dollar to retain its value.

Investing in Bitcoin and Monero is value investing. Investing in other cryptos is speculation.

>>59305639
What's the value of Bitcoin according to you?

>>59305696
Money is a social phenomenon, in addition to being about fundamentals like inflation rate. It's the most wel known, most popular cryptocurrency, giving it the social impetus needed for a new form of money or commodity based money. It's the most simple, easiest to understand, has the most decentralized node network, the most computing power behind it, has proved to be the most robust to attack, most liquidity and acceptance across merchants and exchanges, most development of its ecosystem with research on fedimints, lightning, new opcodes, and provides transparency which has been lacking from our the political and banking systems.

>>59305696
I generally agree with the phrase: "Bitcoin has no ceiling because fiat has no floor"
There isn't really a unit of measurement I could use to define my own opinion of how much Bitcoin is worth.
Monero, as a superior form of Bitcoin should similarly be highly valued, so the lack of appreciation in price leaves me confused, but I assume we're still just really early.

>>59304679
>Is fluffypony really working with the feds? And if so, could he hurt monero in some way?

>>59305063
>it's going to zero against everything not just BTC. ETH, SOL, you name it. it's even on a downtrend against ZEC. you don't realize Monero has a problem?

lol I love how this wetbrain still expects us to take this currently batshit loco clown market seriously.

Utterly useless memecoins also do better than Monero. Try figuring that one out.

>>59305165
>FCMP++ makes ztrash superfluous.

Can't wait for the epic copefest that will ensure once Z-fags can't invoke "muh superior privacy" anymore.

>>59285110
interdasting thanks anon

>>59305279
>Monero isn't to make money, it's not a speculatory asset.

Monero is a utility that facilitates commerce, which is how you actually grow wealth. DNM admins routinely become millionaires not by hoarding crypto but by providing a platform for exchanging goods and services, it is all that economic activity that actually pumps their bags and sends them to the moon. And in the coming years some darknet grey market admins will likewise become millionaires as the global counter-economy expands and more and more economic activity flows through their platforms.

All this is consistent with the way the real world functions: work hard, provide real value and utility to consumers and with a little luck you'll be raking it in.

Monero is therefore valuable because it is optimized for permissionless, frictionless P2P digital commerce in a world where grey market shopping is slowly becoming evermore attractive to regular everyday consumers, XMR has already established itself as THE currency for underground marketplaces in the minds of cypherpunks and agorists, now its a matter of growing awareness and expanding the supporting infrastructure, improving liquidity, etc so that clearnet hustlers also start seeing the advantages of going dark. And as related economic activity increases over time, consumer demand for XMR should increase accordingly and keep the price trending upwards. This is real, organic, comfy growth as opposed to the manipulated hot air scamfest that is BTC and crypto in general.

>>59305292
>what you fail to understand is that to make money you can't just have a correct-ish thesis you must also get the timing right. in the last five years Monero holders have lost 80% against Bitcoin. I'd rather have 5x the assets than a vague hope.

Why do you care so much? Let us keep losing why you stay winning.

>>59305718
>It's the most wel known, most popular cryptocurrency, giving it the social impetus needed for a new form of money or commodity based money. It's the most simple, easiest to understand, has the most decentralized node network, the most computing power behind it, has proved to be the most robust to attack, most liquidity and acceptance across merchants and exchanges, most development of its ecosystem with research on fedimints, lightning, new opcodes, and provides transparency which has been lacking from our the political and banking systems.

The Bagholder's Elevator Pitch.

>>59307099
>as related economic activity increases over time, consumer demand for XMR should increase accordingly and keep the price trending upwards.
thank you for making a testable prediction anon. but unfortunately you are wrong: growing adoption of Monero on DNMs has not led to meaningful price appreciation.
everyone with half a brain just swaps their coins for Monero, spends them. and that's exactly my point: don't hold USD or XMR beyond bare necessity, invest in assets that actually appreciate.

>>59307324
>growing adoption of Monero on DNMs has not led to meaningful price appreciation.

lol first of all, the current lack of direct spending options precludes the locking up of XMR in a circular economy, vendors and admins right now are forced to regularly sell their earned XMR to cover operating and living costs. This should change over time as more goods and services become directly available for XMR, reducing the need to market sell and keeping all that XMR circulating.

Second, DNMs are just the proof of concept, they were never going to be the primary driver of a future Monero economy, only ~10% of the population are recreational (hard) drug users.

Grey markets have the broadest appeal for obvious reasons, and we've only just started fleshing those out, still need to improve the DEX experience, boost liquidity. Its going to take a while.

Third, Monero's price action is also partially influenced by the whims of speculators, who shit themselves with every delisting and regulatory action.


>everyone with half a brain just swaps their coins for Monero, spends them. and that's exactly my point: don't hold USD or XMR beyond bare necessity

Yeah, I'm still gonna keep holding onto my XMR. Given how clearnet grey markets are really blowing up lately as evermore normie consumers become aware they exist, its a pretty safe bet that hidden services will start being utilized by these hustlers as their sites and domains keep being seized, and with that move inevitably comes Monero adoption.


>invest in assets that actually appreciate.

Yeah, assets with cash flows that are tied to actual economic activity.

>>59307607
> ~10% of the population are recreational (hard) drug users
America deserves a nuke

>>59307221
You asked what's the value. I answered. Don't be a bitch about it.

>>59307607
>Yeah, I'm still gonna keep holding onto my XMR
If you own XMR that you aren't immediately selling then you are saving in XMR because you see value in saving in it over USD or gold or bonds or whatever. By definition you are speculating on the value of XMR relative things like the USD. Even if that value is more real to you, you are still speculating same as everyone else.

>>59307221
Is that Small Chungus!?

>>59307814
When people ask "will Monero go up? Why isn't Monero going up" they're just asking if the Monero economy will gain value faster than the US economy. So there's no point in being a retard to people who are asking the exact same things as you, just with different words.

>>59307824
US economy is Russell 3000 or something, not dollars. that'd be +32% in the last year. Monero is +4.25% last year. so holders lost out on 1.26x growth multiplier and their share in American economy shrunk.

It's not really complicated, Monero isn't artificially inflated unlike speculatory assets, so the value of the coin is based on supply and demand.

Monero's price will go up if there are more transactions (more use, more demand).
Monero's price will go down if there are less transactions (less use, less demand).

The price hasn't changed in years because the number of transactions hasn't changed in years.
Monero has conquered the Darknet market for a few years already, but nothing else since. There is little new adoption, so the price doesn't move.

I think Monero will remain very niche until there is a reason for a LOT of people to get into Monero. Hyperinflation in some country, CBDB tyranny, mass drafting, that kind of thing.

What happens if there's an inflation bug?

>>59309138
The supply is frequently checked, and every time the amount is correct.
And if there's a bug that appears one day for some reason, we'll figure it out during the next check and it'll be patched.

>>59309138
>What happens if there's an inflation bug?

>>59310139
pienero

LMAO

>>59311857
You know that billion in USDT comes from customer deposits right?

>>59313535
>You know that billion in USDT comes from customer deposits right?

They've always claimed that. Yet 10 years later, still no audit.

Afghani ISIS has officially jumped on the bandwagon.

>>59314852
Won't that just result in monero getting banned sooner? Bearish.

>>59315333
Monero cannot be banned. That's the whole point.

>>59314852
do you think they move in and out of monero or do they purchase 1 RPG for 0.5XMR or something?

>>59316376
took me a while to wrap my head around that.

Got my first order on XMRbazaar. It's a big one (3XMR), too.

>>59316442
That's good my man.
I bought something off of MoneroMarket, which of the two is bigger?

>>59316517
Hard to say, I think XMRbazaar caught up at least. In terms of active users they seem even.

>>59309355
>The supply is frequently checked
how do you check the supply of an untraceable, fungible currency?

>>59316838
https://search.brave.com/search?q=how+can+the+supply+of+monero+be+audited
The AI answer tells you, and below you have the forum threads of people telling you how they did it.

>>59281430

Anyone else noticing they are censoring Monero post over at /pol . Seems like Jannies don't want folk over at /pol discussing XMR or making threads to that effect.

>>59317334
Cause the posts are always spamming the same retarded shit about white farmers, tax evasion, and jews. Not legitimate discussion.

>>59317437
those are all political things. don't forget how i'm posting about how Jew use income tax to finance endless handouts for n1gg3rs. these are purely political post but i guess they want to censor the fact that Jews use income tax to literalyl steal white labor to afford non-whites a 1st world life style from stolen white labor. that is politics plain and simple. we are ending that non sense etc gutting the dollar from the white economic communities. don't like it? not my problem

>>59317453
It's spamming the exact same copy paste posts you tard. Advising breaking the law is against board rules. And you're not providing any useful information, articles about farmers switching over. You just keep posting the same picture of a Jew with nothing actionable or if substance.

>>59317334
Silver threads also disappear often.

>>59317471
its not advertising at all. I'm not selling anything. I'm discussing the political implications of money.

But you want to call this advertising despite the fact that I have nothing to sell so that you can censor. You glow bottom line.

If its advertising tell me what I'm selling?
what you are saying doesn't make sense based on the definition of the word advertising you dummy.

>>59317542
>advising
>advertising

get off 4chan for a bit, anon.

>>59317574
the point for what I said stands.

You accused me of advertising.

I tell you that I'm discussing Political subjects on Pol and that if I was advertising I would be selling something. So I asked you what you think I'm selling sense you have accused me of advertising.

Then you go off on a random tangent and do not even respond to my question.

Bottom line is you know I'm not advertising and you are glowing very bright now.

>>59317481

I've noticed this as well. When I start discussing about Silver and Monero the shills really come out in full force. It is so easy to use 1 oz silver fine bullion rounds in daily life so I think the bankers are very afraid of people warming up to silver.

Be careful of those who glow and accuse you of advertising Monero despite no sales occuring. They assuredly glow as per the wisdom given to us by Saint Terry A. Davis.

>>59317608
>accuses me of advertising
>doesn't take 12 seconds to click post ID and see that I've posted but a handful of times in this thread and that I'm not the same guy in the reply chain
>instead of thinking, you gun off a paragraph telling me how I've got you all wrong

Anon, I just came home from work and hopped on minecraft, I have no fucking clue what any of you retards are talking about in here, I make it a point to not really engage with /xmr/ anymore.

It's shit like this that's why these threads are absolute ghost towns now. Like I said anon, go get some fresh air.

>>59317635
*accuses me of accusing you of advertising

see you are so retarded and spastic it's starting to rub off on me, now I need to go and decontaminate myself.

>>59317608
>You accused me of advertising.
No, he accused you of recommending illegal acts (tax evasion).

>>59317641
income tax is labor theft and is not allowed per the usa constitution.

the usa is a nation forever in debt to foreign banks and can never enforce its own border. paying into that system is a form of mental illness.

so yea i'm not going to support a criminal government that is forever in debt, can't ever enforce it's own borders, and then uses tax dollars to enforce communism (bailouts)

nothing is illegal about not paying taxes to that ILLEGAL Government system.

what you are saying makes no sense.

You are just trying to censor people when you have a different opinion of them.

Anyone can see this from reading how you proclaim i'm advertising but then when I ask you what i'm selling you have no answer for that. which proves my discussions are politically motivated and have nothing to do with advertising.


You continue to glow...

When was the last time this coin pumped? 2021? Lmao. No wonder because there is absolutely no pumpamentals. No one holds this coin and thus it will bleed to 0 against BTC

>>59317641
let me guess I should pay taxes to a government that can't enforces it own border ever in my life time?


yea you are mentally ill for even suggesting that is normal.


Or let me guess you want me to pay taxes to a government forever in debt that coin clips the USA Dollar.

That is another argument you are making which is obviously an action taken by those who are mentally ill.

What is next you want me to support a Government that props up failed banks like in 2008?

Another sign of your mental illness.


Nothing you are saying makes any sense. As if anyone with a rational mind would pay into a Constitutionally Illegal Government like that LOL

LMAO even.

>>59317699
moonfag detected. nothing is wrong with Monero. Whites are just using it for honest money and abandoning the Jew Nigger Bailout Dollar as quickly as they can.

Notice how Jew Crypto exchanges and Jew Govenrments are telling the Jew crypto exchanges to ban monero.... ever wonder why?

Jews and Niggers are terrified when Whites start using Monero...

no more endless nigger handouts financed from income tax on whites

>>59317683
>>59317701
based retard

>>59317723

being based is not retarded. again u do not make a lick of sense.

>>59317712
Keep seething nonsense about Jewish people. Normies will never buy your bags chud. Anti-Semitic and racist marketing only makes them sell racist monero and buy Bitcoin because BTC is for everyone.

>>59317730
If you are not retarded show me the post where you are accused of advertising.

>>59317745
ok

>>59317471
>It's spamming the exact same copy paste posts you tard. Advising breaking the law is against board rules. And you're not providing any useful informat
And I ask again. What am I selling if I'm being accused of advertising.

>>59317741
lol at btc.

i don't care if u think monero is racist. wtf are u going on about now telling me what i need to care about . lol


lmao even.

>>59317741
lol being accused that i'm selling monero just because i support monero.

then telling me to respect jews. wtf? lmao

>>59317777
I don't see anything about advertising in there.

>>59317542
I never said advertising, I said spam and advising breaking the law. How ESL are you?

>>59318047
you can call it whatever you want. your primary goal is to censor me from discussing monero

because of how you FEEL.

Fuck your feelings

>>59318118
After reading all your posts the jannies are justified in banning you. Go take some English lessons and touch grass cause you are a liability to Monero.

>>59318141
Why would I obey you lol.

you glow

hello bros I want to buy xmr but I have to go through swaps for it, I don't know much about crypto
is there anything inherently bad about buying ltc on trocador for the swap? trying to avoid the kyc as much as possible

>>59318348
just find someone in a big city to buy it from is another way. there are lots of buyers and sellers in the big cities.

CEX are gay desu

>>59318362
is that truly an easier way?
how would I go about doing this if I may ask? sorry for the newfag questions, I trawled through the archives for my purposes and most people say buy btc/ltc on coinbase > swap with cakewallet or trocador but I didn't understand why they didn't buy from trocador directly
thank you for the response
if it's something to do with haveno / bisq I did get that too

>>59318408

I'm not going to sell you Monero. I got banned for a month for talking about Monero here. So I'm just stating that i'm not selling it. i'm not advertising it.

i'm discussing and debating it.

I don't think CEX are a good way to purchase monero.

there is already a monero society in the major cities of almost all nations.

there aren't as many monero people outside of the cities. so that is why i'm saying u will find a seller in person of monero in a city , higher likelyhood at least.

>>59318348
Yeah, just go the Trocador route. It works really well.

>>59318498
thank you very much, I wasn't sure so I just caved and bought a small amount on coinbase before this but I will buy through trocador next time


>>59318477
as I understand it I live in a pretty monero-unfriendly country unfortunately, combined with inexperience, it just makes me nervous to deal with things like that

>>59318526
a wise move. a monero-unfriendly country is a country CONTROLLED by USURY. Usury = Caste System for those who create money and do not EARN IT.

stay based and not degenerate.

>>59318603
such is life in the united cuckdom

>>59292438
>There's no way using litecoin is cheaper than BTC for swapping to XMR unless you're doing like $5 worth.

I just went to fixedfloat, selected the 10% fixed option, and looked at how much of each it would give for 1 XMR. It offered around 0.00163538 BTC (worth: $158.54) or 1.547064 LTC (worth: $158.88). At the time of writing, the value of 1 XMR is 160.69.

So in this case, it seems really easy to convert to either from Monero, and very similar in price. Fixedfloat is far from the only CEX that will do this swap for you.
>>59292494
>How could it not be? There is no such thing as swapping LTC for XMR, the swap site obviously performs 2 swaps

No, it doesn't. The site just has some LTC and some XMR. When you want to go LTC->XMR or XMR->LTC, it just takes some of the one you have and gives you some of the one you want.
Centralized exchanges have always operated this way. You need to put all kinds of artificial restrictions on things before your statement makes sense. For instance, if you demand your swap be atomic and decentralized, then only XMR<->BTC is going to meet your need. But that's hardly the only game in town.

Serai is now one step closer to finally launching!

>>59318653
so many are leaving the cities and forming their own communities again. beautiful. glorious.

Will the upcoming EU ban mean I can't buy Monero through Cake Wallet directly?

>>59315333
>Won't that just result in monero getting banned sooner? Bearish.

Banned how exactly?

>>59316423
>do you think they move in and out of monero or do they purchase 1 RPG for 0.5XMR or something?

I'd guess they're doing some Hawala type shit after first cashing out somewhere more civilized. Can't imagine those goat fuckers have reliable 5G reception up in them remote valleys.

don’t buy wownero

>>59320013
too late

>>59320035
same here

>>59318348
You don't have to avoid KYC to buy, getting Monero isn't illegal or immoral.

But if you still want to, yes, you can get LTC and swap on Trocador.

>>59318362
Gay advice, how would you even find someone like that?
The only real option is to use Haveno Reto, but you still need some Monero for the insurance.

>>59318408
The reason why people say to get crypto from a centralized exchange instead of buying directly on the buy service of Trocador is because the fees are lower. But both work.

>>59319587
There is no "ban", there are only ambiguous regulations that make it dangerous to sell Monero, that's why Kraken stopped recently.
And yes it's quite possible you won't be able to buy Monero directly on Cake, but you'll simply have to buy LTC instead and then swap it in the app. It's just adding a small step.

>>59316442
>Got my first order on XMRbazaar. It's a big one (3XMR), too.

This is the way.

What happens if the Haveno site gets seized? How will the app be downloaded? What if the devs are targeted?

>>59322125
The website is unimportant, and the devs aren't weak spots.
The software is on GitHub and mirrored everywhere.
Anyone can still continue to work on it and update it. It's the beauty of FOSS, and it's the same way Monero itself works too.

Even if the main devs got assassinated, it would be a loss for the community to lose good devs, but the project would go on, anyone can contribute and keep the flame alive.
Monero is the third crypto project with the most dev work being done.

So who's gonna write haveno-mode?

>>59281447
>P2POOL
Any reason to not mine on p2pool nowadays?

>>59281430
I used ChangeNow for the first time a while back to get some SOL. I did use a VPN, is ChangeNow good for XMR too? I know there is Cash by Mail but once you exchange to XMR you break the chain as far as I'm aware so are there any cons to this if I just exchange maybe a few Hundred here and there?

>>59324282
And also should I Run my own Monero Node or do this instead or both? >>59281447

Some gray markets that sell estrogen injections accept Monero
literal woke tranny coin

>>59324386
that would be the usa dollar... I mean just look at the military they say is gonna enforce the border. LOL

LMAO even.

>>59324386
If it means I don't have to eat horse paste and fish antibiotics... deal.

>>59324001
>Any reason to not mine on p2pool nowadays?

If you want to disappoint Monero-chan.

>>59306740
>fcmp++
coming in 2032

>>59324001
No, except if you mine something else too.
I used to mine on Monero Ocean because I mined several coins and got paid in Monero.

>>59324282
ChangeNow is okay but doesn't always have the best rate, and can KYC if the amount is high.
I recommend Trocador as a swap service aggregator that will sell you what service is best for you at this precise moment.

>>59324386
Well yeah, the criminals love Monero. That includes the tranny groomers, ISIS, and the drug dealers.
I don't care.

>>59327529
>Well yeah, the criminals love Monero. That includes the tranny groomers, ISIS, and the drug dealers.
>I don't care.

>>59281430
>>59281430
I'm here to tell you all why Monero never pumped. It's because Monero team introduced ASIC resistance with RandomX on November 2019, which caused major miners to turn their backs on the project. Of course they all loved Monero for being the true king of opensource privacy, but they stopped caring after they were all left to dust. If it was not for RandomX, ASIC miner conglomerates would have been mining non stop, so they would pump the coin from time to time just to increase the dollars of their stack. But, since RandomX expelled them from the network there was no lobby at all in favor of Monero. If it was not for this update, Monero would have been pumped and would have many major lobbyists talking about it in Washington right now. You can 100% check this by noticing that Monero Metcalfe's law model decoupled at the same time. Unfortunately, this also happened around the time Binance listed it, which led many to think that the reason for the MCL decoupling be due to the listing and fractional reserves, but in fact it is related to RandomX. After the coin was abandoned by miners, the only ones left holding it were the ones using it as a mean of exchange, so the price never pumps nor dumps, since money velocity is too high. I never cared to share this before because I usually don't give a fuck. But there you go. You guys should 100% remove RandomX and invite ASICS back (silently of course), so you'll see the price go up. Just make an experiment removing RandomX for a while and you'll see. You're welcome.

>>59329241
I don't buy this, due to May 2021 $479. You overlook the competitive nature of cryptocurrency mining. By trying to pump the coin you essentially risk becoming somebody else's exit liquidity. The 24h volume alone was in the hundreds of millions usd, sometimes 1 bil usd. I don't think a mining operation would gamble this hard.

I blame it on the fact that dumb money has no easy entry in monero.

>>59329241
That's an interesting theory but introducing RandomX still was the right thing to do. It wouldn't be decentralized otherwise.

And just wait until they implement the Wownero system where you can only P2Pool to prevent big pools from having a majority of votes.

So are we going to discuss Luke's departure? Or how this community consistently alienates developers with 1488/MAGA shit?

>>59330182
I'm not even aware of it, the influencers in Monero don't interest me. What happened?

>>59329651
RandomX made decentralization worse. Devs didn't account for all the Chinese bot farms that could dominate hash rate at zero cost to the point where a single pool took over more than 50% of the hash rate. Having more financially incentivized miners on board makes for a more secure network that's more in demand and harder to attack. Having a bigger pie is better than a much smaller one, even if the small one is cut into lots of tiny slices.
Devs are great at being technically right on paper, but have always failed to take economics into consideration.

>>59330182
Quick, get the guy who screams about white farmers and jews all day. That'll fix things.

>>59330234
Luke Parker, the guy making FCMP. They should interest you if you shits keep running off all the good talent with your faggy post apocalypse drug dealer larping.

>>59330267
You still haven't told us what happened. I don't know what's going on.

>>59330267
"atomic swaps in two more weeks will fix everything"
>community spazzes out, runs off devs, development stalls
"Haveno in two more weeks will fix everything"
>community spazzes out, runs off devs, development stalls
"FCMP in two more weeks will fix everything"
>community spazzes out, runs off devs, development stalls
"Serai in two more weeks will fix everything"
>You are here
"Seraphis/jamtis in two more weeks will fix everything"
>Coming soon

>>59330309
Anon, most of us here do not follow influencer/dev drama.
If you think something is worth talking about, at least tell us what happened.

>>59330306
He is "stepping back from work on Monero" (jumping ship). He's the FMCP and Serai guy so it's bad. He currently says he will continue with Serai and the FMCP CCS research that was just funded, but seems to be pulling back from those obligations as much as possible and will no longer be advising on FMCP integrations or analysis, FMCP libraries, give talks, be a part of the Monero research lab, or be part of the monero magic fund committee

>>59330342
>He is "stepping back from work on Monero" (jumping ship).
Source?

>>59330644
https://xcancel.com/kayabaNerve/status/1862953509965947154#m

>>59330234
>>59330306
>>59330339
>>59330644
I'll try to summarize: this anon >>59330182 is implying that Luke Parker leaving has something to do with "1488/MAGA shit". This is mostly false but there is some truth there. The story that he's referring to is that at Monerotopia 2024 (which took place a few weeks ago), one of the panelists at a Q&A basically said that jews are evil. This happened after Luke Parker left but he went to twitter anyway to immediately disavow the comment and that it was anti-semitic (oy vey), and then even Doug Tuman (the event organizer) went on to say that nothing the panelists said represents the conference.
For those who don't know, basically all of the "faces" of monero, from the developers like koe and Howard Chu, to event organizers like Doug Tuman, to the Cake Wallet team like Sethforprivacy and Vic Sharma, are all pro-LGBT pro-feminist pro-multiculturalism libertarians. That being said, Luke stated in his github post about leaving that he was feeling burnt out from the "toxic ideology" from all of the anonymous monero posters. So even though everyone he interacted with on a professional level were as liberal as him (if not more), he's one of those faggots like erciccione and Justin Ehrenhofer who will throw a hissy fit any time a monerochad has anything bad to say about blacks, jews, women, gays, etc. I don't think it's the sole reason he left though, in fact I think it's mostly him being exhausted from pouring hundreds of hours into developing FCMP ever since the black marble flood attack back in March.

>>59330257
>>59330267
>>59330309
>>59330342
Hey, this FUD ain't half bad. You definitely know enough about monero to not be a zcash shill or a bitcoin maxi, so I'm going to assume this is bait.

>>59330818
>in fact I think it's mostly him being exhausted from pouring hundreds of hours into developing FCMP ever since the black marble flood attack back in March.
This is a more accurate description to "Luke Parker situation"

Ignore the FUD.

>>59330818
Thanks for the explanation, the other Anon was incapable of explaining anything.

I see. So he's a standard libtard in very leftist circles on reddit and GitHub and whatever, and he is offended that someone, somewhere, said the jew word? Seems like an excuse.
Erciccione did the same thing when he was being criticized for being a retard on the Haveno project, or Justin when he said Monero might need a code of conduct.

Oh well, no matter the reason, it is what it is.
Too bad we lost a productive dev I guess.

I till hate jews though.

>>59331074
We didn't lose kayaba. He will be working on seraiDEX and also Monero-rust related implementations going forward.

Fuck jews, they're evil kikes.

Is it worth buying a miniPC like picrel for $100 and converting it into an XMR-Machine? Or should I just use my main, will mining XMR impact my performance at all? I have 32GB of RAM if that matters, I could also buy a Small PC Tower for the same price and upgrade it for under $100-$200 which is probably better.
I'm asking because I am already running out of space on my PC as is and can't fit the XMR Blockchain so maybe having a separate rig would be better in the longrun.

>>59331337
What do you mean "worth it"? Do you want to mine to make money? Then no, it's not worth it.
If you just want to make it a Monero node, then you could do it with a pi, takes less space, is cheaper, and uses less electricity.

And yes, mining XMR will impact your performance, proportionally to how much CPU power you dedicate to mining.
If you run out of space you just need to buy a new disk, not a new computer.
Or use the truncated chain.

What are you trying to do exactly?

>>59330818
>one of the panelists at a Q&A basically said that jews are evil
Is there a video of this?

>>59331629
How do 70 IQ islamists even manage to buy Monero

>>59331435
I want to get into XMR and I haven't bought any yet but I want to download the full XMR Blockchain and make that my Cold Wallet then have a Hot Wallet on a USB. But I also want to mine to help out the Network and get some XMR on the side. I've been thinking of buying a Trezor and making that my Cold Wallet but its probablt safer to download the whole Blockchain and go from there.

>>59331937
pro tip from someone who has already stumbled through the dark figuring this out:

you will need:
>two flash drives, a pen, paper.
>flash live Linux to one USB, pick a very common distro like ubuntu or something.
>put latest monero wallet GUI software on other usb
>plug both USBs into computer
>boot into live linux environment
>DO NOT connect to wifi
>mount USB with monero if it isn't already
>move monero files off of the USB and onto the live linux drive
>launch and create wallet
>write down seed phrase and restore height.
>create view-only version of this wallet
>move view-only version of wallet to the now empty USB that had the monero program on it
>triple and quadruple-check that you wrote down the FULL seed phrase correctly
>unmount drive with view-only wallet
>power off live linux drive.

Nothing ever goes to disk except the view-only wallet, and the live linux is never on any network. You now have a view-only wallet you can restore on a normal daily driver PC and fund via QR code or whatever, you can monitor all funds entering the wallet (but not leaving, you will have to fiddle with key images for that) and can rest assured that the means to access the full version of the wallet which can *spend* the funds only exists on the sheet of paper you wrote it down on.

Keep that seed phrase safe because if you lose it, that's that. No recourse. My suggestion is to hammer it into metal, then hide said metal.

still hodling 1 XMR from buying in may 2021 at 335€

>>59331994
Thank you so much anon I appreciate it, can I do this with Tails? I'm assuming I can so I will try it that way and hopefully really shortly have a Cold Wallet that I am in full control of. And instead of Paper I think that Cardboard would be better and you can just etch your Seed and Restore Height in with a Knife and then hide it in a Picture Frame.
Also would you recommend doing VeraCrypt on the USB with the View-Only Wallet or would that not add any extra Security?

>>59332144
you could do it with tails, but if you just flash the installer version of any major distro it will accomplish the same task.

>>59329241
>You guys should 100% remove RandomX and invite ASICS back (silently of course), so you'll see the price go up.

And this is why moonfags get the rope.

>>59330257
>harder to attack.

Warehouses full of ASICs are easiest to attack.

>>59330818
>he's one of those faggots like erciccione and Justin Ehrenhofer
Faggots are the only ones who will write code for Monero. Until chuds learn to code stop reeeeing about muh jooos

And not bait. I like Monero but you idiots keep sabotaging it trying to be edgy without contributing any value.

>>59333185
>nooooo you can't be a monero user and say edgy things, think of Le Heckin' Devs!
How about we change the incentives so that it isn't just faggots wanting to work on the code?

>>59333263
Yes that's a great idea. Luke Parker said as much. Should hire some full time salaried devs instead of making them beg for retroactive gibs through the CCS. Otherwise you're only getting bottom of the barrel types or ideological nutbars who of course are going to act like faggots. Hire some full time professionals.

>>59333362
Were you sperging out when sarang left and joined firo?
Dev burnout happens. There will be others so long as there is demand. It's not like fcmps are not happening. It's not like serai is not happening. Relax.

XMR still being used exclusively on DNMs right?

>>59333510
?
It's being used everywhere. Websites like Moneromarket, xmrbazaar, XMRchat, and those gift cards websites are all clearnet websites.

>>59333543
I'm sure the volume of those places is trivial compared to DNMs

>>59333362
If I understand, CCS gets funded before work starts and bounty is paid when work is complete yeah? I wish people like Doug would stop paying out of pocket fir stuff then begging the community to pay him back. The Monero soccer thing was extremely retarded. Monero is the AnCap coin, start acting like it...

>>59320290
>You don't have to avoid KYC to buy, getting Monero isn't illegal or immoral.
Ah, I know, and I am not doing anything particular bad either, but still kyc is just an uncomfortable thing. it might be a naïve statement, but I very much dislike the meddling where you have to give your ID, face, national insurance number, mother's maiden name, first street you lived in, dog's nickname, date I sneezed for the first time, number of fingernails I have, so on, and would rather get away from such practices when possible

>The reason why people say to get crypto from a centralized exchange instead of buying directly on the buy service of Trocador is because the fees are lower. But both work.
That makes sense, I just wanted to make sure
I very much appreciated your answers, thank you

>>59333510
>XMR still being used exclusively on DNMs right?

Not 100% yet but heading there. BTC will continue being accepted on select markets for as long as acquiring XMR remains more difficult. Hence the need for user-friendly DEXs, specifically those using liquidity pools i.e. Serai. Once Serai and its forks are liquid enough, there's no more reason to keep BTC around.

>>59333611
Community is less likely to fund work where there isn't even a proof of concept ready. Plus if the devs are all fags then CCS requires they interact with the community and know how to make business plans, work out budgeting, market their idea, instead of just doing what they're good at, fucking off into a cave and programming. At least a couple salaried devs for the major tech upgrades would be way more efficient than the CCS.

>>59333683
That just means they need a PM or similar to wrangle them & be The Face. The things that real software businesses do, ya know.

>>59333553
>I'm sure the volume of those places is trivial compared to DNMs

For now, sure. But this will almost certainly change with time.

DNMs = black markets = only interesting to a minority of the population

MM, XMRbazaar, etc = grey markets = potentially interesting to everybody.


Incidentally, was just reading about the explosive growth of the PM grey market in India, apparently 25% of all gold imported there has been smuggled in to be sold at a discount.

>As the industry points out, it is the high taxes that are helping the grey market not just thrive but get bigger and better. India is estimated to be losing upwards of $1.3 billion.
>Cheaper import in the grey market encourages unofficial gold business in a big way. The resultant gap in the price of official gold imported through the banking channel and unofficial imports is hurting the entire group of manufacturers/retailers/ bullion importing agencies/refiners and many others involved in the tax compliant business systems.

In other words, white market retailers simply can't compete. And this applies to any goods or services being sold under the table, off the books sans taxes. If consumers have easy access to the grey market that's what they'll default to.

Is there a site like TradeOgre but not located in Ameirca or Europe, rather some third world country or crypto paradise like El Salvador?

>>59327529
u know who hates Monero? those who apply income tax, and those who get endless free handouts from the state.

these folk really hate monero

>>59329241
No lol. Monero is money. we won't let you manipulate it. Its going to stay on RandomX and there is NOTHING you can do about it LOL

>>59331163

>>59332011
>still hodling 1 XMR from buying in may 2021 at 335€
Based

>>59281430
>>59285110
>>59297571
sell to me
>>59337638
picrel
>>59337847
>he doesn’t dca

Whatever happens and whatever anyone says, I am full in on XMR. There's no question. I have an undisclosed amount, and no matter how insane the FUD gets - YOU'LL NEVER GET IT.

Fuck yoooooou. It's mine. I'm an xmrillionaire. I win in the end.

>>59338591

>>59305639
No it isnt retard.

>>59331074
>Too bad we lost a productive dev I guess
Too bad we can't be smart about the shit we say and don't say. Harping on about kikes is bad PR and won't result in more competent devs being drawn to work on monero.

Use your fucking brains if you have any and keep the politics neutral when in mixed company.

>>59333543
Why aren't there darknet mirrors of these sites? Isn't anybody thinking ahead? They're all a domain seizure away from getting nuked.

Don't hope for the best, prepare for the fucking worst.

>>59331074
>>59340054
How hard is it for anons to figure out that if you are the underdog you don't telegraph your politics to the entire world. The only reason anons would inform enemies of their dissident views is because they're ego tripping 13 year olds or because they are feds planted to weaken Monero from within.

It's too fucking late now, but next time you guys have the goal of weakening the state, shut the fuck up about it.

>>59340054
>>59340165
I'm not using a private cryptocurrency to censor my speech you double nigger.
There are trannies using Monero to castrate children, Mexicans using it to kill people with fentanyl, and Muslims using it to enslave women, the dev guy chose to get mad at someone saying WORDS about jews, and I don't give a flying fuck.

>>59340084
All those websites are legal, and since it's on the clearnet the owner is known to the state that will make him shut down the servers if they become illegal. A mirror wouldn't change that.

Also darknet markets are already a thing lol.

>>59340202
That's because you're fucking stupid, a fed, or a convenient tool for the feds. Drug dealing Mexicans and child molesters are on the side of the powers that be, you aren't, so you have to at least try to use your fucking brain.

>>59333884
>taxes
I'm afraid everyone is just too cucked. For example in Belgium if you compound the VAT with income tax it means that people have to work more than 2.5x as long to afford everything they buy. I mean I know the tax money buys them a lot of lovely North African neighbours but at what point does the average Belgium man decide they would rather have a little bit more money and time instead?

>>59340768
Yikes,