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>>59086791
Scum.

>>59086791
imagine paying 42% of your gains to the government to spend on retarded shit

>>59086791
This is why you don't trust goyim "nationalists". They always end up fucking up the economy worse than leftists

Just don't pay

I'm not in Italy so it doesn't matter. Also Meloni's melonis

>>59086813
All western countries government agencies are pretty well connected these days, you can't run anywhere, you can't dodge.

I even heard of a case recently of a guy that went from Australia to Greece to dodge taxes in Australia and the Greek government sent him back to Australia.

>far right wing in power
>42% tax rate
The absolute state of europoors

>>59086823
This. They all have agreements with each other. The second you try and cash out they're going to be up in your shit.

>>59086791
as an Italian can you just sell while you're in another country with a lower tax rate?

>>59086791
>be italian
>send it to your croatian friend
>he pays 10%
ez

They are going to do something similar in my country as well.
I simply won't sell until I move to another country, if that means holding till next run then so be it.

>>59086791
>Convert to stablecoin.
>Cash out.

>>59086863
>Convert to stablecoin.
classed at disposing of an asset, taxable event.

>>59086791
does this include spot ETFs, derivatives?

26% is already unreasonable but 42%?

>>59086791
and people have been killed for a 2% tax increase. what the fuck gives them the right to 40% of my money, as gruesome as a civil war is it's starting to sound like a good idea, these maggots are getting too comfortable. they're trying to kill any way for you to make it, backing you into a corner

Buy ETN for btc, pay 0% capital gains tax after 1 year of holding in my hellhole of a dystopian socialist shithole. No free gibs for Mahmut from me.

>>59086798
This is her attempt at balancing the budget. The biggest hurdle to nationalism today is debt slavery. If you finance your government through debt then the international markets can dump your debt and make it impossible for you to borrow again which makes you default.
What Melonie doesn't realize is that raising taxes stops working at a point. Rich people just leave your shithole.
She has to go the Milei route. Just cut spending. There is plenty of bloat in the government to cut and balance the budget. The problem is that budgets are the best and easiest tool of power for politicians so they will never cut them unless you are fucking crazy like Milei.
The whole west needs a Milei, seriously.

>>59086823
Retard should've just went to UAE and cashed out there. Nobody is gonna ask where you got your Tether from.

>>59086897
milei is a kike cuck and sold out all his countries resources

>>59086795
>>59086791
Well italians are retarded and criminal scum anyways, so what's new here?

>>59086791
42% is nothing compared to the +1000% you should be up

>>59086795
its already that way in the USA, short term cap gains tax applies to every crypto trade you make and the tax is near 40%

send me all your money
ill launder it for you if you gather my meaning

>>59086984
doesnt short term depend on how long you hold it?


also for an EU country couldnt you just move to one with a lower tax fairly easily if you have a lot of BTC?

>>59086837
>never hear from croatian friend again

>>59086980
Yeah I dont think you understand how percentages work

>>59086791
It’s almost like European governments are TRYING to get the natives to emigrate as hordes of brown sludge begins to drown them out

>>59086992
>depend on how long you hold it?
yeah but who the fuck is holding shitcoins over a year???? you miss the pump and hold to the bottom to sell ?

>>59086897
Debt slavery is baked into everything r tard. You won’t vote your way out of it

>>59087014
i havent sold a crypto yet and ive been buying for years. mostly btc and eth

>>59087030
okay that is you, most people are not holding this shit for over a year.

>>59086795
The Italian government, no less.

>>59086791
>42
Quickly, call it transphobic and they'll reverse it

>>59086897
The point of nationalism is you don't pay the banks back, wtf. You label them userous and defunct and dissolve them.

>>59086791
at this point its almost like the eu governments are doing their very best to make their best people leave before the implosion really happens
take this as a warning to make your plans to leave next year it wont get better

>>59086837
just go to Slovenia kek 0 %

elon muskie should invest in an offworld bank since he already has the space based experience to put materiel in space
free energy, free land and just have to watch out for space debris, missles and jealous countries trying to hijack it

>>59086791
I was gonna get italian citizenship by blood now I'm not sure

>>59086791
>You were born in a piece of shitty land so you must let them stole your money for no reason
Seriously, how you retarded monkeys keep falling for that, not even the IRS can trace my money, got my shit in different wallets across different chains, i don't own any BTC but I do have EVMs, Chainlink and even Superverse
Fuck them and fuck poorfags

>>59087007
Anon, the people of power in Italy are right wing

>>59086882
the entire thing is bullish, its going to push economic activity into crypto because exiting from crypto into fiat is becoming more expensive. ie, instead of exiting, what if you can buy food for crypto and never convert to fiat? they are painting themselves into a corner, i dont mind

>>59087175
also this. i bought my btc back in 2012 ,they're never going to trace it to me personally, i pull out 5k here, 8k there and so on, not paying a dime in tax lmao

>>59086791
Not really a problem, italians with large holdings can just move to germany for a year and cash out with 0% taxes

>>59086791
Kamala Harris wants a 44% capital gains tax.

>>59087201
>my capital gains tax is bigger than her capital gains tax! we're gonna have the biggest capital gains tax you've ever seen, much bigger than anyone else!
>*crowd cheers wildly*

>>59086798
>They always end up fucking up the economy worse than leftists
That's literally not true you faggot
The good goy nationalists here literally made a surplus after being in debt after decades of socialist rule

I suspect you will see something similar in the US in the event of a D White House, D House, and D Senate. They will raise the tax rate on Bitcoin specifically as a surcharge for the "environmental harm" it causes. But if you buy the BlackRock ETF, you will pay the normal capital gains rate. They will justify it by saying the BlackRock ETF is a "security" and spot BTC is not, but really it will all be an effort to get people out of self-custody and into tradfi rails.

>>59086791
Shit like that is why crypto (besides the CDBC shit) will not be a mainstream thing to supplant central banking. Governments will not allow you to take away their printer and control over money.

mama mia mozarella we need more money for dem programs for the boat africans.

>>59087243
just go self-custody. what are they going to do? more and more people moving into crypto will just move the economy into crypto. people will start cooking food for crypto and so one. why not?

this shit is entirely new, fiat has been kiked for centuries, they have no clue what to do about crypto

>>59087248
Yes, you can do some of that, but it at most exist on the side, not fully supplant the system, because system has taxes and force to back them up.

>>59086791
>soon 99%
That's why you P2P.

>>59086897
Maybe she should just keep the promises of stopping the immigration instead.

>>59087273
they all say they are going to stop it to win the votes of gullable rightoids but really they are controlled opposition and their masters won't let them stop it.

>>59087176
Kek good one, there isn’t a single western government that isn’t pozzed. Italy is getting browned and some fake right wing Shabbos goy government isn’t going to change that.

Realistically, how do you avoid CGT on crypto? Or is the case that once you interact with a KYC exchange you're on their radar?

>>59086791
Uh chud bros I thought she was le heckin trad based politician! Wtf?!

>>59087313
look up dac8, you're fucked after jan 1 2026

>>59086984
its not cap gain until you cash out

>>59087328
after next bullrun, still giving you time
now if they implemented this a year earlier that would be a problem

>>59086791
You deserve what you tolerate. Niggercattle peasants deserve everything.

>>59086791

>>59086791
Couldn’t you just hold WBTC on ethereum? Which is not bitcoin, just an erc20 token. These politicians are so inept it’s not even funny.

>>59086791
where do we migrate to, italybros?

>>59087207
Who give a shit of the surplus, if surplus mean fill every city/town/villages with niggers

>>59087770
you vil pay the tax and you vil get blacked. do not resist. project 2030 is on track.

Meanwhile........

>>59086791
Isn't tax 0% if you hodl 2 years or so?

>>59087247
hasta la pasta, it's over

>>59086869
keep your mouth shut, mutt.

>>59086882
Someone has to pay for the boomers pension checks and Ahmed welfare Mario, and this someone is YOU.

>>59086791
Just never cash out, I thought Bitcoin was supposed to be your revolution right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>59088158
and that's a good thing.

>>59087175
And how are you supposed to buy a car and a house?
It's easy to hide your cryptos from the gov as long as you do nothing with it, the moments you want to spend it however they're going to wait for you at the door with handcuffs.

>>59087324
If she was trad she would be at home nursing her 8th child and surrounded by loved ones, not larping as a girlboss bad bitch while sucking kike cock and flooding her homeland with literal african gorilla niggers

>>59086791
the zionist fears the decentralised currency

>>59087313
move to russia on a chud visa
actually idk how much they tax hehe

PORCODDIO Giorgia, I even voted for you.

>>59086791
they'll do this all over
BTC will be killed by taxes
and idc

>>59089032
>they'll do this all over
in countries that rely on jewish banking

the new wealthy will spend their crypto overseas in crypto friendly countries, further incentivising crypto adoption.

holy lmao if they don't do a hero they deserve everything they get lmao

>>59086791
never vote for a woman president bros

>>59087342

not in USA. every single transaction is considered a taxable event.

>>59087175
>bragging about tax evasion
foolish thing to do

>>59087273
not really something any one country can fix on its own, since sending people back requires a country willing to accept them. Why would their home countries want them back when illegal immigrants prop up the economies of their host nations with remittances?

>>59089032
Yeah imagine a future where bitcoin is $100,000,000 it will prob have 99% taxes

niggers can't tax me when i only transact in crypto

>>59086791
France is doing the same from a 30% flat tax to 37,2% one, they claim it's "temporary"

>>59087885
In France gold is taxed three times: VAT, capital gain tax and precious metal tax.

what if you don't sell and just take out loans against your coins

>>59086791
Proud to have voted for her.
Crypto scam should be outright banned, but before that take all the money you can from them.

>>59089543
Nothing more permanent than a "temporary" government program lmao!

>>59089549
One of the ONLY good things left about living in bongland is that gold is not taxed. Neither is gambling.

>>59087181
buying anything with crypto here is considered as you having converted it in fiat and its taxable

>>59089220
It wouldn't be a problem if the modern cucked laws and NGOs didn't scream at you for just turning the boats back.
That and also racial exclusive laws where illegal foreigners can't get any benefits, legal jobs and so on.
Nobody has the will and balls to what needs to be done.

>>59086823
>Goes from one pozzed commie shithole to another pozzed commie shithole and gets fucked by commies.
>>59086925
This.

>>59088246
based
>>59089032
just start your own country bro.

>>59087287
Hitler would have confiscated your coins dumbass.

How much longer can we take this unrelentless taxation? What tangible benefits are we actually receiving in return?
When are we going to break the machine?

they need more money for gibs and they know you are too pussy to do anything about it, they will continue this line until stopped and no one has even tried to stop them yet.

>>59091577
Nobody is rebelling. Forget it

>>59086791
Based. Fuck BTC.

>>59091577
just go to another country change citizenship.

>>59086791
What's the big deal? The solution is simple. You just have to [this text cannot be viewed in the European Union]

>>59086984
No it's not, retard. It's taxed at your regular income tax %.

>>59086984
Idiot doesn't realize capital gains tax depends on your level of income and marriage status. Tell me you're a neet without telling me you're a neet.

>>59090417
Even if it's priced in crypto? What if you pay in silver coins, coffee beans or cigarettes?

>>59086791
fucking long nose behavior

>>59086791
Gonna be a lot more Italian Restaurants opening up in UAE.

>>59087092
good way to speedrunning foreign intervention or political assassination

Angry Meloni is hot as fuck

>>59086791
>wtf is this bullshit...

Its the (((Plan)))
>World fiat currencies coming to their natural end of life failure
>Introduce crypto currencies about 15 years before it happens
>Herd the sheep onto it with hopes of becoming millionaires
>Start closing the gates behind and start culling them with kyc, transaction tax, capital gains tax
>Push the big black swan button and collapse the digital system
>Then introduce their communist banker digital currency to them after they've lost everything and are destitute and desperate

Meanwhile all these years the central banks and the BRICS and Countries associated to them have been buying and hoarding real physical assets while they pushed the sheep onto genocide jabs and digital tulip funny money.

>>59087176
Immigration increased considerably under this "right wing" government even compared to the most leftist of govs we had.