/biz/ - Business & Finance

SLIDE IT

>>57717
>inb4 this thread gets absolutely destroyed by one competent NK

Fuck off /pol/

>>57762

>gives eloquent and reliable sources
>FUCK OFF /POL/!!

whut. This thread is libertarian not Nazi you unbelievabl- oh wait anything that isn't leftism is fascism to leftists. Forgot

forgive me

Motherfucker. Discussing economics on a 4chan-level. This board will be worse than /pol/ in 3 2 1

>daddy said leftists are bad, he listens to Michael Savage everyday
>instead of developing my own political thought, I just follow mommy and daddy's suburban conservative values
>but then I go even further right because rightists are BASED XDDDDD
>Milton Friedman is teh best and I'm only 16 but I still know so much!!11!

go back to /pol/..biz is a shitposting free zone

>>57781
To be fair, anything that isn't libertarian to libertarians is tyranny

>>57781
>doing this much damage control for a three word post

>>57794
Come on man, don't stoop to that level.

>>57717
>implying private citizens can't maintain roads
They can't develop roads, because they can't into planning, but they can maintain roads that already exist. Everyone adjacent to any fucked up piece of road can simply pass around quotes and split the cost, same thing is done with fences.

>>57816
What are you responding to?

>>57781
>leftists
>libertarian
>Nazi
>facism

http://www.4chan.org/rules#biz

>2. All political discussion belongs in /pol/.

>>57717
This is now a Fuck Libertarian/Ancaps thread

>>57794
Child-tier thinking.

>>57826
Fuck off back to /pol/ with your shitposting images

>>57813
>>57844
>get blown the fuck out
>s-s-stop it

>>57826
Harming others is, but being a pedophile isn't actually illegal.

>>57826
Did you make that in your middle school art class? Get a job.

>>57832
>trying to separate economics from politics

Good luck

>>57849
>>57865
>>57873

>>57866
>>trying to separate economics from politics
You can certainly separate it from /pol/ tier shitposting like the OP.

>>57832

>don't call a blue sky blue!

cmon - the left is the reason Keynesianism is so accepted among political circles

>>57826
>>57794
>>57803
>>57816

libertarianism != anarchism

>>57826
Ancaps aren't libertarians aren't ancaps.

Ancaps think absolutely no authority is needed for a society, which is dumb. Libertarians understand an absolute minimum of authority is needed for a government, which is supported by every political theorist from Laozi to Plato.

>>57869
I don't disagree with you, I just want to stop this shitposting

>>57887

>BUT THEN BIG DADDY GOBMENT WONT GIB MONIES AND HELP

>>57869
>posts meme-riddled shit with no facts
>BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

Come on, /biz/. Can we at least keep this place cancerless for the first few weeks?

>>57717

Is it ok to talk economics on a business board?

I guess not

>>57717
I never get this image, i'm libertarian, but at the same time, the image raises a real issue. Its not easy for the tax payers to get together to pay construction companies for the roads. Even then, you would have free rider issues.

>>57794
>>57826
>>57883

Read Locke's Treatises on Civil Government before you shit up the board please. You are only embarrassing yourself.

>>57920
Read the friggin sticky m8

>>57927

>reading anything but pamphlets and buzzword campaign slogans
>leftists

just don't try

I haven't seen a single argument for either side posted on this thread, /biz/ is just juvenile mud slinging - sad

even the worst, dumbest nazis on /pol/ post arguments for their position, sad to think that /biz/ is inferior even to them

>>57908
lol charity

No, I believe that a government has a certain responsibility in that what that responsibility is should be up to the people. If the people decide the government should provide everything, feeding tubes included, so be it. If the people decide the government should provide only the "essentials," so be it.

So, if you're not making it, a government could supply shelter, food, water, education and/or internet, and possibly healthcare, but no more. That, in my opinion, is a good minimum.

What really shits me off is that over 50 dole bludgers in my country get about 30k a year in welfare, whereas students get just enough to pay rent and maybe enough for food. It makes absolutely no sense that they'd give middle-aged dole bludgers more money than students who honestly expect to make a living on their own one day. This is Australia, yet another welfare nation with a welfare system of insanity, at least it's not Britain and Sweden.

As an upper middle class white conservative Christian libertarian, I can tell you I've experienced all walks of life in my 16 years here.
What needs to REALLY happen is less regulations so people like my daddy can make MORE money.
Also, its the lazy people's fault for being poor.
I've never gone a day without a comfortable bed or a hot meal made by mommy nor have I ever had a job, yet I instinctively know they are just lazy bums that need to get a stinkin' job!
Teach a man to fish, etc.

If only everyone could understand the way the world REALLY works, people as smart and successful as me.
THEN we'd really have some changes made that would help more people exactly like me, people that deserve it.
pic related, its me

>>57921
I agree with your point. It is a question of logistics, rather than ethics and morality though.

>>57968
I don't think that's really you. Post a pic with a timestamp if it is.

>>57968
ebin simply ebin

imo anarchosausageism is by far the supperior form of government

>>57968
>ALLL LIBERTARIANS ARE EVIL CHRISTIANS
>I HATE MY PARENTS
*tips fedora*

>>57887
I consider a libertarian anyone that understands and accepts the validity of the NAP.

Therefore, only ancaps are libertarians.

Thanks for trying, moot. This board seems to already be going to complete shitposting. You tried, and for that we thank you.

>>57968
Not a libertarian, but your post reeks of shitposting. Don't do it again.

>>58021
>understands and accepts the validity of the NAP
>validity of the NAP

Thanks, I needed a chuckle

>>57968

>>57968

>yes excellent goyim! Just give the poor money!
>Let them never fix anything for themselves hehe
>meanwhile, we can use the liquidy trap to ensnare the goyi- ERM the people into a never ending debt cycle... hehe

>good goy

>>58021
The NAP is based off of faulty logic, sometimes the usual methods fail and what's left is aggression. That's just how the world is run, NAP should not be treated like a logical axiom for any system.

>>57717

>OP presents many videos relating to economics

>thread immediately turns to a shitfest, no posts of which offer any legitimate arguments

>>58047
As a libertarian who is doubtlessly concerned only with personal gain, why wouldn't you accept such a system and strive to be at the top so that you can milk the shit out of the poor?

>>57873
I don't like how that the person who made that comic subtly implies they want to institute thoughtcrime as a valid charge. If you dislike being called authoritarian, that's a bad way to go about making your points. Then again, he's probably just some net-Nazi, so it's no big deal.

>>58069
Because anyone not retarded understands that people have different values, and for many people charity raises their own utility.

>>57717

is anyone actually watching the videos?

>>58078
Congratulations on responding with irrelevant points, I guess

>>58086
I did. Hayek is the man

>>58092

>points are irrelevant because I don't understand them

>>58092
It's not irrelevent at all, you're just retarded.

>>58116
>>58111
>they're relevant because they rely on my beliefs which are automatically correct!

>>58126
Welcome to economics numbnuts, discussing any ideology is going to be based around beliefs, however economics and the idea that people have subjective values isn't just a belief.

>>57717

I just had this brilliant idea of a society that resolves around 'kickstarter' campaigns and such.

"Invest in this road from A to B"
Pledges of 200$ or more get free toll rides for first 4 months. and such

"Invest pavements around your neighbourhood"
... etcetera.

Of course, to provide 'some' bare minimum you pay a small amount of tax, which pays police/fireman/and most common roads. Also, you can pledge 'payment plans' like 15 dollar per month instead of paying a large sum up front.

>>58170

or roads can be a community-driven sort of thing, like people built them or financed them because they wanted to improve their town and accelerate growth in the immediate area

you know, like HOW IT USED TO FUCKING WORK

>>58197

>resorting to adhoms

its like... its like you have no argument and are just shitposting!

>>57781
This plus leftist denies that nazism was derived from socialism.

>>58170
Nah

>>58201
>HOW IT USED TO FUCKING WORK

When?

>>58215
Not even the same guy, but I know better than to even try to discuss with lolbergtarians any more. They have all the blind faith of fundies plus all the sophistry of commies. Best course of action is to just bash and shame them like the pathetic retards that they are.

>>58149
So your excuse for bringing up irrelevant points is quite simply 'Those are my beliefs, numbnuts'?

Good to know.
Filtered.

>>58197
A+ materiel, would shop again

Posting in unintentional containment thread.

OP is a moron. inb4 >ad hominem!

>>58197
4/10 pretty good for this kind of shit communication.

>>58149
>the idea that people have subjective values isn't just a belief

What is it then? A god-sanctified commandment?

>>58346
Oops, meant to reply to >>58343

>>58363
No I didn't faggot.

>>58374
Are you absolutely sure? And "faggot"? Um, really? Wow, just wow. I'm going to have to report that to your commissar.

this board is already /pol/ and /new/(rip)

fuck you OP

>>58270
+1

>>58260
>in my mind

>>58435
>Goosebumps

Original OP:
>FUCK this FUCK that
>look at these compelling YOUTUBE links!111!

People begin shitposting about lolgertardians back
>hey stop it!
>ad hom
>y-y-you have no a-argument

>socialism threads
>libertarian threads

This shit belongs in /pol/

Only libertarian economic theories like Austrian economics are allowed here.
And definitely no fucking socialism threads

No politics.

>>58457
>Only libertarian economic theories like Austrian economics are allowed here.
>Austrian economic
>theory
It takes more faith to believe in Austrian bullshit than it does to believe in g-d

>>58455
Lol but you literally have no argument.

>>58469
>you
Who is "you", the entire thread?
If >>57794 and >>58197 don't successfully make debunk "libertarianism" for you, you're a lost cause.
Oh wait - you're probably the guy trying to convince us using a bunch of Youtube links.

>>58494
>IF MY FACEBOOK STRAWMAN IMAGES DON DEBUNK LIBERTARIANISM THEN YOU'RE A LOST CAUSE

ABAHAHAHAHAHHA OH GOD

No I'm not op
Lol you fucking faggot.

>>58494
>debunk

How do you "debunk" a value system? The most you can do is say "I prefer different things".

>>58494
>Youtube links
But I can't read or write, anon...

/pol/ shitpost thread
>85+ replies

Actual financial thread >>58429
>1 reply that's probably the OP

Fuck this board.

>>58523
Ladies and Gentlemen, your typical Libertarian.

>>60035
>he's actually still posting
>he's this mad he has no argument that he posts facebook images

Oh god my sides cannot take it anymore.

>>60035
>he's this mad he has no argument that he posts facebook images
Confirmed for never having visited facebook

>>60035

At least make an argument. All you've done is shitpost.

>>60251
This ENTIRE thread is a shitpost.
Why would I cast pearls before swine?

>>60309
Guy on the left is a soldier. Guy on the right is a free civilian.

>>60538
>free

No he isn't.

>>57781
>copying and pasting Youtube videos
>eloquent and reliable sources
Pick one