/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>58278026
they made me do it

>>58278026
> woman commenting on financial matters
Opinion immediately discarded

>>58278026
i think this just shows how disillusioned these people are
its not a crisis that you outsourced every job and destroyed the country within 50 years of reaganism, the crisis is you might have decreased the value of your house in the process

the average age of a white american is 58 years.
the average age of a hispanic american is 11 years.
talk about total demographic collapse. the mexicans dont want your boomer shed.

>>58278026
Imagine "contributing" to this "society".
>not my problem

>Home prices falling
WTF I love you stinky neets now?

>>58278026
>boomers only care about our problems when it begins to effect their nest egg
Lmfao psychopathic

>>58278026
>people can't afford a thing, so they don't buy it
>THE PRICE OF THE THING IS GOING DOWN BECAUSE NOBODY IS BUYING IT
No shit, Sherlock.

>>58278026
society gets what it fucking deserves

>>58278092
Bitches like her are the ones screaming for more immigration. "Oh, the little people here aren't working for slave wages? Let's just import more people, then. Oh, the little people here aren't buying homes? Let's just import more people, then."

>wage war on men/masculinity for 60 years
>men start to fail

Why does this shock them. They set everything up to do this.

>>58278026
Every society does that, people only go out of parents house if they marry or need to live in another city because of work.
Americans started that and think it's the norm when it never was. It's so funny seeing americans saying stuff like you only mature when you go out of your parents house, if that's the case almost everyone under 28 in Asia and Latin America are immature

>>58278193
>if that's the case almost everyone under 28 in Asia and Latin America are immature
They are, there's a reason those countries are shitholes

America was great in the past because a 21-year-old man could have a house and a family. Not anymore

im not contributing to your WEF kike puppet show you call a 'society'

>>58278050
fpbp
>some men just want to watch the world burn mista wayne

>>58278026
it has more to do with the at any cost necessary level of subsidization given to real estate through centralization of fannie mae, tax breaks, any trick needed to allow mortgage backed securities to be kept at manipulated prices that the market could never support without an all hands on deck up only additude from the government and banks. As much as I hate zoomers, blaming this house of cards ponzi 70 years in the making on their "habits" is retarded

why would you move out even as millionare? roastie says ure living with mommy because the jew told her its bad thing?

>>58278673
The thing is roastie can live with her parents, you need to be successful. LMFAO.

>>58278691
Guess society will just have to collapse then.

>>58278026
this silly bitch is wrong

>>58278330
>America was great in the past because a 21-year-old man could have a house and a family. Not anymore
you're an actual retard.

>>58278026
Just print more mortgage backed securities what’s the problem?

>>58278026
And there is nothing they can do about it. Seethe more, faggots.

>>58279154
he's exaggerating by a few years, but it's true that in the past by 25 the average American/Canadian could already own a house

Nobody gave a shit when I more or less dropped out of society. The same sort of thing happened with a large number of young men. People who never gave us a second thought are now panicking because our dropping out of society is having knock on effects for the economy and society. It's not even that they care that we all dropped out, it's that they care about the negative consequences that they're going to suffer as a result of the effect that their actions had on us. I do not care that the bizarre alliance between upper middle class feminists and Wall Street vulture capitalists is suddenly discovering that their scheme to profit from derailing the lives of young men was never viable in the long term.

>>58278026
It's a couple of things
>manual labor flooded with cheap labor by illegal invaders
>tech jobs flooded with cheap labor by slave/jeets etc
>skilled trades over promise and under deliver
>college degrees are oversaturated
>cost of living is too high
>boomers are still holding onto their housing bags, have to wait 10 years to sell them for when they go off to a retirement home

There's very little reason to care desu. Job searching and maintaining is a humiliation ritual and progressives are hellbent on promoting tolerance for everything except normal families.

>>58278050
Why is this so hard for women to understand? If you want men to marry you, get back in the kitchen.

>>58278026
>the oracle of wall street
kek

>>58278026
>send home prices falling

fuck yes.

>>58278026
When? They told me housing prices would crash by December of that year, for three consecutive years, and they just keep going up. "Housing price crash" just means they'll be a billion instead of a trillion dollars in the next decade. Everyone will be priced out regardless. Blame those with empty pockets for not buying though.

>>58278026
Nice, i'll finally be able to afford a house

>>58278050
it's truly amazing how no matter what they do to fuck over young men they ALWAYS victim blame us it's truly an art
>men kill themselves at far higher rates
>uhm well why don't they go to therapy????

>>58279539
Men are more neurotic. There's a reason why violent crime is 96% male and when they don't get pussy they shoot up schools. Therapy is a waste when your biology prevents you from acting like a human being. Males are physically and psychologically incapable or seeking or receiving help.

>>58279560
if your definition of being a human being is a domesticated cuckold who likes to be a doormat for chads, women and society, then your right

>>58279560
lmao no, men are so far ahead physically even the bottom 5% weakest men are stronger than the top 5% women.
It's hard to envision a woman being violent towards a man with the differences in strength. Even less physically demanding actions like shooting guns women are far inferior at.

The tranny (biological woman) who shot up that white Christian Nashville school killing 6 (3 of which were third-graders) just last year in 2023 hardly had any news coverage. Hmmmmmm I wonder why???

Women are hardly human, it's astounding how half the population contributes so little to inventions, innovations or discoveries. A worthless gender born only to submit. The world you live in is delusional if you believe us equal in any capacity, physical or mental. Women are lesser beings, let's not pretend otherwise.

>>58279560

Absolutely not. Women are far, FAR more neurotic. But they aren't as violent, they don't see violence as their outlet. When a man goes crazy it's more extreme, but women are more routinely crazy in myriad little ways.

>>58279630
Nice ass pull. My definition of a human being is having a basic sense of empathy for others and acknowledging they have autonomy and struggles as well as yourself. Many men have dark triad tenancies, mostly narcissism. They live in their own heads, self isolate, make up a narrative about what others experience "grass is greener," and then lash out on themselves or others (others is more typical) from their own perceived victimhood, like the shit you posted just now. You think treating people with basic respect is cuckoldry, and wonder why they want nothing to do with you, and society chugs along.

>>58279710
>My definition of a human being is having a basic sense of empathy for others and acknowledging they have autonomy and struggles as well as yourself

You know the rules. Post tits or gtfo

>>58279650
>Men are so far ahead physically even the bottom 5% weakest men are stronger than the top 5% women.
This is true and not where did I say it wasn't. It was obviously implied by psychology with physicality, I meant their physical brains and genitalia (sex drive) that gets them in trouble.

>>58279560
Men commit more crime because there are more male idiots and sociopaths than there are female ones. Almost all violent criminals have low IQs and the IQ distribution for men is far flatter than for women, so there's like 6 times the amount morons as for women. This also applies to the other end of the distribution so there's far more male geniuses than female ones. Aggressive personality disorders are also far more common in men leading to the disparity in crime.

>>58278354
>dying bitchless to own the libs

>>58279710

Define "basic respect." Let's see how empathetic you actually are, rather than a buzzword factory.

>>58278026
Amazing they create the problem, and they said that is your fault

>>58278050

This.

>>58279722
For thousands of years men killed eachother on the battlefield and then stole everything that belonged to their enemies. There's no outlet like that in today's world.

>>58279755
How about understanding that humans are a diverse bunch with different backgrounds, upbringings, values, and physical + mental impairments. Not every woman is meant to be a mother, I would argue at least half the female population shouldn't be, but a prevailing thought I see everywhere and have personally experienced is that women are nurturing and having babies is all they're good for, so that's all women should do, ignoring any other factors that would make her beneficial to society in any other way, that her being a mother would produce traumatized children and have a negative effect on society. Men here often seem to lack any nuance, black and white political thinking, which is typical of narcs, sociopaths, and autists. You also can't see why this drives women away, why feminism is a retaliation, and the unfortunate consequence is dumb shits like OP pic woman having power over time.

>>58278026
In 2017 they spent 175k for a 4 bedroom house on 15 acres.
Last year I moved down the road for a 4 bedroom house on 5 acres and spent 398k.

Society is already collapsing. The "labor" theyare bringing in can't run the country and all the old people that run it won't make it another 20 years.

>>58278026

Meanwhile boomers be like

"No wage, only spend!"

>>58279815

What have women done that would suggest their primary ability, their primary utility to our shared society, isn't birthing kids and raising good families? Are you sure you yourself aren't incapable of a nuanced perspective and are just wishfully insisting on a reality that doesn't exist?

Why do you think you're just as capable as men at a bunch of things men evolved to be good at, in industries and companies that men built? Why can't you see how men would be frustrated by a confused, hypocritical society that allows women to choose between traditional mother, and masculine worker, but doesn't allow men the same choice?

Your opinion aside, a society that doesn't reproduce is going to die. It's just going to die. Lol. You can wave a little feminist flag all that you want we are currently witnessing a rapid, rapid decline and one way or another women are going to end up back where they naturally belong in a way that will probably be painful for all of us, rather than finding the correct compromise and harmony.

>>58279856

I mean I can go on, you say men do 90% of violent crime, this shows men are violent. I agree. But let's keep going...

99% of notable inventions and creations in history were done by men. So why do you think you're just as good at that as men? That is two faced arrogance. Not empathy. Selfishness.

>>58278026

Crisis? I thought they just needed to "man up" and take responsibility in this society based on equality between men and women. Men and women are equals in every way. As a matter of fact, there's no real biological difference between men and women. That who sex and gender nonsense has been debunked by science.

So how is this a "male" problem? Males don't really even exist.

My mom is a great cook. No woman but her has ever cooked me something. Sorry, zoomerinas.

>>58280035

The problem is that women abandoned all of their natural propensities, areas of opportunity, and crammed into things they aren't naturally good at or needed for. So they become this lacking imitation of a man and a woman at the same time.

Right now there is a creature I am seeing on occasion that is pretty much the worst human possible: a smug, entitled woman who went to college, got a degree, decided she didn't want to actually work, got with a hard working provider of a man she will nag to death while staying home, not having any kids, not keeping house. Just a human turd.

>>58279891
Men only commit 90% of crime because women are INCAPABLE of physically abusing men.
Can you fathom a woman bruising a man, beating him unconscious? I can't. It's no wonder most violent crime is committed by men. However, keep in mind
>Lesbian couples have the highest reported domestic abuse cases
More so than any others. It's men who keep women in line. Every culture, every country, every nation has been this way. Up until these recent decades. Now it's all falling apart, funny that. Women playing pretend with their "equality" to men will be the downfall of society, always has been.

>>58280080

Guns, knives, weapons have existed for a long time. That's nonsense. It's a war/violence gene men have that women don't. A man under duress feels like violence is his way out, women look to others for support instead. Murderers don't ask to have a 1 on 1 bout in the ring they just kill by any means necessary.

>>58279804
Yeah the peasants in medieval England were totally just killing each other left and right like your idea of a noble savage, like the Amish who live in a similar way and are known for their warlike nature, and it's not that instead they could just control themselves a lot better than you can

>>58278152
What's the worst that could happen?
(Sounds of violence and anarchy in background to be added later)

>>58280054
>a smug, entitled woman who went to college, got a degree, decided she didn't want to actually work, got with a hard working provider of a man she will nag to death while staying home, not having any kids, not keeping house. Just a human turd.
Imagine wifeing (buying) a worthless woman like this when you could just rent hookers or sugar babies instead.

>>58280092
Pleeeease, the average woman would freak out and shut down the moment they were in any situation requiring a knife/gun. I work in a level 1 acute care psychiatric facility and when it comes to handling violent patients the women staff back away and let the men handle it. You're right in that it's more than physical strength differences, women are laughably inferior in staying calm or handling stressful situations.
Don't bother arguing, I've seen it happen time and time again at work. Believe whatever fantasies you want, frankly I don't care.

>>58280207

That's what I mean, and it's partially on the man for enabling that behavior

>>58280210

... why did you just reiterate my point of mental differences in propensity for violence/war. Lmao great self own faggot. I'm not arguing at all we are entirely on the same page. Yes, women are not made for it. On any level, mental or physical.

>>58279560

>Female giving opinion


Opinion both worthless and left unread.

Kek @ this dumb fucking thread. It’s “Conditioning” and “Social causes” when blacks and women do henious shit, but it’s “human nature” if white men do it.

I don’t even think hypergamy is the problem, look at the dumb fucking Saudi’s they have just as many angry poor young men as anywhere in the west.

The problem I believe is entirely money. if your value as a man is only money, since power isn’t allowed anymore so soft power like money reigns, and our economic system is a pile of trash that buys political and corporate support, then of course the hoards of poor sexless boys are causing issues.

>>58280207
she's ugly while he's just sloppy

>>58280279
You're out of your mind. While maybe she has a 7/10 face, she has a perfect hourglass body and perfect sized tits.

>>58279740
His fate as a KHV was sealed at conception. Working or even working extremely hard won't get him bitches so he isn't going to work.

>>58278050
>>58279455

>>58278050
Yep

>>58279804
Soldier cucks are the epitome of submissive cogs
>daddy says fight so I fight
>daddy says die for him so I die for him
>daddy tells me I will be rewarded if I’m a good little soldier cuck

Piss off with your fantasies of violence and pathetic desire to be a “hero” in your dumbass story. Fucking faggots like you are the worst. If you had half a fucking brain you could maybe achieve something modest or even have the will power to find comfort in boredom

>prices going down

yes that was the goal, by refusing to support your irrational structure I have moved the pieces to my advantage instead of yours, uh, get good I guess, gg boomer

>>58280080
I would guess most, or at least half, of violent crime perpetuated by men is against other men. Women could rob or beat up other women, but they almost never do. Men are incentivized and expected by society to be a winner/rich/successful in a way that women aren't. Women are just incentivized to mary the former, if they have a successful career in their own right, that's cool but no one expected them to or cares. It's now how they're judged and men don't care. But given these expectations and incentives, if a man isn't born rich, handsome, or brilliant, crime seems much more necessary and appealing to him than it would a homely woman. Also women have more support and are less likely to become homeless or end up forced to work an absolutely brutal/dangerous job for low wages. Worse case for them is moving in with a boyfriend or working an easy and safe job for low pay.

>>58280302
very masculine face for 7/10

>>58280407
That's a seethe post, if I've ever seen one. What's wrong, did your girl leave you for a Service member?

>>58278026
>why wont those white men just get out and WORK so we can get more taxes?????????

>>58280815
Why don't all these doctors and engineers have cars? Maybe it's some kind of walk-a-thon for charity?

>>58278059
She called the financial crisis it says right there incel chud.

>>58279204
I think it's more that a 21 year old being able to afford a house is the effect. It's not why America was great.
It was a side effect of being great.

>>58280788
>did your girl leave you for a Service member?

Anon. You are conditioned in the military to believe that your wife/girlfriend is fucking other men while you're stuck there. Ever heard of Jodie?

>>58278026
i moved out when i was 23. even before that i was working abroad at summer. OP projecting

>>58278186
are you one of them?

>>58279560
Males do stuff. Females do nothing but complain.
95% of time and 95% of cases guys did, invented and tried everything.
When we invent cheap artificial wombs there will be no need for women and when automation kicks up no need for brown people.
Well throw them all to the sea

>>58280788
I cum in service members wives. Make their husbands raise extra offspring on their dime. Cope and seethe statist faggot.

>>58280788
Fucking them service members wives. Making them moan while you take bullets for geriatrics and corporatists. What’s the matter? Can’t come to terms that your wife is a whore and your “work” is actually meaningless. Imagine training your body for years to just have some fucking nerd 1,000 kilometers away drop a drone while you’re taking a shit in a foxhole

>>58278186
Zoomer and millenial men, maybe. Gen Xers are biding their time until the collapse.

>>58280092
Can confirm and we will rip you out of your beds in the middle of the night and stomp on your head till we see brains unless you quit being such retard/Jew golem. We’ve tried talking for a decade only for you cowards to gaslight us, the barbarians aren’t at the gates they’re your neighbor that’s mask of sanity is slipping year after year of this clown show. The ZOG won’t protect you, they won’t even protect their families when we come for them. Sleep tight.

>>58279312
Idk I was definitely contributing before withdrawing. Ag equip, electrical infrastructure, domestic lumber production. Just to be completely priced out of housing and robbed by inflation. Yet women and minorities and immigrants are solicited housing and business grants in my face. Fuck em.

>>58278691
being successful means you don't serve parents but serve landlord debt instead and retirement houses? okay zoomer

>>58279815
Show tits.
No person knows if they'll be a good parent, it's a natural thing that happens and no amount of cope will change that. I know several people that said they hate kids and never will have a kid and now thy have 1-2 kids

>>58280092
Even bandits will target the weak looking. Theoretically knives and guns make that gap irrelevant but the mental aspect still affects people.

>>58278026
>jews seething
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>58278067
This guy lives his entire life by "not my problem"

>>58279740

That's determined at birth.

Men's lives have a carrot and a stick to where you are motivated with the "carrot" being a wife and family and part of a community while being respected. The stick is that if you chimp out you go to jail. Over time, feminism has removed any of the carrot and the stick has only expanded with the prison and surveillance system. So your only real choice is to not give a shit.

>>58278026
Oh no, wouldn't want to make homes affordable again, now would we? How do we solve this boomerbros?

>>58280815
They look indeed very Mexican

>>58278152
>>58278026
>>58278061

They're going to import every species of third worlder and give them the boomers homes, which the boomers will be paid for with newly printed money from the fed, at a set price, probably above market rate. Then the boomers will be in luxury nursing homes or an cruises when the inflation starts to hit. They'll die off before it starts to get really bad.

They've catered to every boomer fantasy and complaint since the 1960s. They're not going to stop now. How can you guys not see this?

>>58278026
Thank you based immigrants for propping up my house's valuation in spite of zoomers trying to sabotage me with their perma-NEET behavior.

>>58279560
You are describing men raised by single mothers who threw dad out of the house for cash and prizes

>>58278026
she's saying a mere '-20%' bitch I eat those dips for breakfast
>>58279777
checked

>>58283653
i see it
most homes are being sold to minorities and immigrants right now because they're the only people stupid enough to want to work 40 years for a boomershed.
you cant blame them though, im sure i would rather work 40 years for mr. shekelstein than be beheaded by cartels. but it is immoral to take advantage of that and treat them like slaves to destroy the lives of young americans across the board

>>58280302
shes ugly in the face

>>58279740
>>58280348
>>58283574
t. coping marriedfags

>>58278026
>>58278050
>>58278059
>>58278152
>>58278186

Interesting, Muslim countries don’t have this problem.

>>58284946
Muslims have falling house prices because of war, terrorism and brain drain that happens wherever Muslims form the majority

>>58278059
Based

>>58279815
Holy shit, just kill yourself already.

>>58279710
>and society chugs along.
i don't even disagree with SOME of what you're saying, but you're literally in a topic where society complains it cannot keep up because young men won't toil for the ponzi anymore
retard

when a duplex hovel is 500k around here where a great house was 200k 10 years ago i cant feel bad for boomers and boomettes losing equity
sell now faggots

>>58278026
uhoooooh, better sell

>>58285649
>gets invaded and bombed for 200 years
>all of their gold, silver, oil, etc. stolen
>it's because theyre muzlums
You're part of the reason why western societies are failing. All of the bombs in the world won't save you from your failed society. Muslims will be there to pick up the pieces and build the civilization you never could. Cant wait for my shariah mandated waifu.

>>58279560
>men are more neurotic
No.
>violent crime is 96% male
Yes. So is military service. This is a biological imparitive that stems from human sexual habits. Women are picky about men because they can only have one child at a time. They're also more reservered because they themselves can end up the only one caring for it.

Men are far less reserved and programmed to take risks. This is part of the reason why most investors, fighters, race car drivers, soldiers, etc, are male. We can have as many children at a time as women who will fuck us, and so we're biologically programmed for heavy risk taking to become the most impressive male we can.

>males are incabaple of seeking help
No, we just won't do it because it makes us appear weak, and therefore less appealing to females.

These are problems with human biology. They're not cultural or social problems.

>>58286892
Abrahamic religion fucked the middle east. They were world leaders in science and technology before they started simping for Yahweh. Now they're little more than barbarians throwing stones at women and chucking gay men off roofs.

They can't offer anyone civilization.

>>58286943
>*reported violent crime
Men dont report crimes committed by women because of the likelihood they will be arrested instead of the woman

>>58278026
This is the way to outplay them retard. We don't need eternal inflation, we need to step up and show them our money has value. Stop buying expensive shit. Stop paying $5k in rent. Learn to manage your money better

>>58286957
Or domestic abuse because it makes us appear weak.

>>58286955
Clearly you know nothing of basic history. Atheism fucked the middle east. If you think the leaders of a Hungarian cult believe in a God, you're even dumber than you make yourself out to be. You're the classic trope of the atheist that knows too little to be taken seriously and bases their entire belief system on what slightly more intelligent men tell them to believe. Shouldn't you be bashing Jesus on reddit right now?

>>58286980
>shoulden't you be bashing Jesus?
Nope, but your ad hominim shows you're incapable of having a good faith discussion about it because you're too emotionally invested in religion.

The peak of middle eastern society ended around the time they dropped zoroastrianism and adopted jewish morality.

Shariah law will not bring about a revolution in the arts/sciences. It will also not make you more appealing to women. You just believe it'll give you a female, which is pathetic.

>>58278026
>be a good little slave to society and make more wageslaves for us!
No.

>>58287024
>I will ignore everything you say and interject with more of my ignorance and claim ad hom because I am feminized self-victimizer
>muh art
Just say you're an uneducated simp and we can all move forward. You are in denial of basic documented history and keep insisting that appealing to women is somehow relevant when that's what is currently destroying your society.
You aren't forced onto the plantation. This is the plantation you chose.

>>58287062
>denial of documented history
No, I just interpret it differently than you. You understand that even if shariah gives you a female, you'll still be an unimoressive male who coulden't get one in civilized society right? It's not like she'll WANT to be with you.

>>58279815

>>58284403
No.

It's because there's literally NINJA loans thar cater specifically to blacks and minorities back stopped by the Fedgov money printer.

So when those MBS go septic and infect the whole fucking system like 2008 (Because Pedro or Shitvarious can't make the 2k payments on his house) the same bankers will run to Fedgov crying that if they don't backstop their loans they'll crash the economy with no survivors.

>>58287094
>implying I dont already have a woman
Kek, do you legitimately think polygyny wont be legalized once the rainbow pedo mafia is cleansed?

>>58278026
Its only a crisis for anyone who is older. Im 35 and feel robbed. I feel robbed of a future I envisioned as a kid. Things that were easily affortable with any mid-tier job, while also having kids, are now considered a luxury even for single households.

So fuck them. They forced this frugal live on me so I decided to stop consuming and wanting their goods and services.

>>58286955
>>58286980
You are both wrong. Islam thrived when it allowed Persians, Greeks and Spaniards to perform academically within the Caliphate without interference by the fundamentalists. It fell apart after Baghdad got sacked by the mongols and the fundamentalists took over.

>>58287094
You are being retarded on purpose
The debat at hand is literally about a social system that removes all agency from women and treats them as cattle and then you turn around and bitch about appealing lol
This is an economics discussion btw because rather than having to bow to womens contradicting whims to get one in a middle eastern society you have to impress the father with your skill and wealth
So rather than turn society into pointless peacockery the productive output of single men is driven to wealth accumulation
A situation i might remind you was the historic norm for all civilizations

>>58287194
And yet despite it all middle eastern societies are still chugging on without all of the problems the west has while being hit full blast with all the degeneracy the western culture can throw at them
I have said it here before but in the clash of memes the patriarchal clan model has won, totally op strategy

>>58287239

The West perfected patriarchy before they went full retard and granted suffrage to women

>>58287268
Yes but individual nuclear family style, which as it turned out was too easy to subvert
The emphasis was on the clan based part, but i had to confirm patriarchal since Africa has some retard tier matriarchal ones

>>58287122
i know some guys who did pretty well for themselves during the 2020 RE run up, they cleared over $500k.
it involved faking w2s and paystubs for mexicans from both the RE and the loan officer

>THE X OF WALL STREET
OPINION DISCARDED