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>>58211477
What websites/apps are they using?

me

>>58211477
As a kid I won a complete set of Pokemon cards (1 set, not first edition) what's the easiest way to unload them without getting ripped off?

>>58211477
t. poorfag. also checked

Idk but I need to go ahead and get mine graded. Been holding onto a huge folder of them I collected in 1996-2000 era times. Lots of untouched holographics.

No idea. sold all mine off in 2020. felt like i was scamming people back then, felt bad about getting so much for it.
Mine were all played too, still got about $4k for all my old cards.
People were paying 20-80 dollars each for all my holo cards from base set right up to skyridge, and a few ruby/sapphire sets.
the legendary collection alternate ones i got a lot for too and they were not even rare. a fucking caterpie went for like 40 dollars.

prices are down now so i guess my instinct was right to unload them. no way they are really worth that much long term. did the same for all my Gamecube/N64/Gameboy collection back then too, got about $10k all in total from it all and i think even now its all worth less or the same. utterly ridiculous.

seeing ans SNES and NES stuff peaked years ago, i doubt this shit will go up much from here

Why do you think retard? Nostalgia and scarcity, a lot of people buying Pokemon actually love Pokemon and are willing to pay high amounts for cards which there are less and less of in good condition over the years.

>>58211477
It's like a memecoin exept you can actually hold it and look at it

>>58211909
Yeah, really wish I did this myself. The time to definitely sell all nintendy/poketard shit was when Logan Paul was walking around with a 1st edition grade WoTC holo charizard, that shit sent the market into a skyrocket and I was just too fucking stupid and lazy to get off my ass and unload all my shit. It's definitely worth a lot less now and I don't ever see it recovering back to those highs, I have a ton of holo ungraded WoTC/1st edition Pokémon, YuGiOh and Digimon cards but they aren't worth shit now and it costs something like $100 plus several weeks of shipping to get just 1 card graded. Not worth it anymore.

>>58211991
I was mostly motivated by the retardo prices and the fact i was moving countries so wanted the money.
Had the prices not been what they were, i probably would have kept them though. Just were not worth keeping for memories sake at those crazy prices.

Dont grade it. just sell it to some tard who has the funds to play lottery sending them in.

>>58211477
This entire board is filled with people buying digital "coins" with no use case and you're asking who might pay for actual, real, physical items that people used once...? Really?
>>58211635
Easiest way is to take them to a professional collector who will buy them below market value. That's the easiest and safest.
>>58211909
>prices are down now
Source? I've been grading and selling since before, through, and after the pandemic. Prices skyrocketed during the pandemic but from what I'm seeing have plateaued and are holding. So what is making you say this?
> no way they are really worth that much long term
Not true. My nephews watch Pokemon tv shows and collect current Pokemon cards. Augmented and virtual reality Pokemon games will come out it's only a matter of time.
>seeing ans SNES and NES stuff peaked years ago
Again, where are you getting this? I just valued my SNES portfolio and Chrono Trigger is still selling close to all time highs.

I disagree with many of you about where the value of Pokemon cards and the franchise is going. I see the following tailwinds:
>Today's children are consuming Pokemon, which means future nostalgia and scarcity when they have money
>Millennials will become richer as Baby Boomers die and transfer wealth
>Millennials already value Pokemon
>Augmented reality and virtual reality will be a no-brainer for Pokemon games
>The wave of Digital Ownership is already happening and a consequence of it will be scarcity for physical ownership
I see the following headwinds:
>There's global war and and economic malaise that will continue and get worse in the short term

I sold hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of property during the pandemic... but I also see massive future potential for capital appreciation so I held a lot of my best (and favorite) items back as well. That's how investing works - you don't buy it all or sell it all at once like a retard, you buy and sell over time according to market conditions.

>>58211477
It’s a form of investment, just like comic books, art, and even crypto. If you buy the desirable and rare stuff it will go up in value over time.

>>58212123
>https://www.pricecharting.com/game/super-nintendo/chrono-trigger

>>58212123
>my snes portfolio
fuck me. its peaked. you look for niche little rare titles, which are an exception not the overall trend. snes and nes games peaked ages ago with their age demographics interest.

same for N64, and probably Gamecube right now.

Pokemon vintage is peaked more or less too, other than some niche cases, as always. The kids growing up now wont give a fuck spending hundreds and thousands of dollars on cards they have no attachment or nostalgia to. they'll buy the modern sets, and seeing as hoards of neckbeards have hoarded modern sets unopened and grade and ungraded like never bofore, to the point that something like 80% of all pokemon cards EVER made were made in 2021-2023... those cards will never be worth anything close to what vintage got to.

go look at populations for modern, PSA 8-10 is like 10k-50k on literally everything. on vintage the population of 5-10 is literally not even 4 figs. Now account for all the cards that are kept pristine but not graded. then account for the hoarding of unopened sets like never before by neckbeards.
Shit is never going to be worth much. vintage has peaked in interest, and generally wont get much more than this as the age demographic has reached peak interest.
Maybe some ultra niche rare shit can go up, but thats probably it.

much like GENERALLY SNES and NES peaked.

>>58212203
>SNES has peaked
You just keep saying over and over that it's peaked. Based on what? Your opinion and assumptions? Look at the chart:
>>58212189

In 2021 I bought these for about $180 combined, today this page is worth about $520. They’re lil cartoon monster Bitcoin stocks

>>58212226
look up prices of average but popular nes titles in normal condition. they peaked years ago.
N64 average shit had the same kind of peak in 2021/2022.
Gamecube is probably having it around now.

Obviously, just like ultra rare comics, there will be a trend up and a market, like, that illustrator pikachu card. that doesnt mean people will be increasing demand for all the old common as muck shit in the future(your average popular games/cards which were always and still are plentiful).

popular(almst everything) N64/Gamecube/SNES shit and vintage cards are not rare what so ever. Its just demand which spike in the past few years, and that demand obviously has peaked for your average popular stuff from it all.

As said, yes, your actually rare stuff may trend up slightly over time, but i still think it'll be marginal. Chrono Trigger is relatively rare among SNES games, and whatever the same rarity applies to for other gens or cards will have the same effect, but 99% of it? no lol.

>>58212226
>>58212203
Look at the chart. Here is the sales history of a 1st Edition Shadowless Charizard Holo (pic). Now go look at Ebay.
>Charizard sold for $345,000 two days ago on March 29th
The fuck are you talking about peaked? It's "peaked" for four years straight or what?

What's preventing you from having China create excellent quality fakes?

>>58212266
Nah man, YOU go look at it and bring back the evidence because I don't think you know wtf you're talking about

>>58212280

China has done that already, it doesn't do shit because anyone that's not an idiot can spot them.

>>58212295
You keep using extremely rare, extremely expensive shit as your "proof" when i'm not even talking about that.

You think the average persons normal cards are on the same trend? not at all. go look up random average vintage cards prices over the past years. shits going down or the stagnant at best.

Same for SNES games. the peaked before the pandemic even started. Look up the price of Yoshis Island for the SNES for example. ana average copy or even good condition. again, peaked years ago.

>>58212265
just because something is priced that much, does not mean someone is actually going to fucking buy it.

You're basically bagholding.

>>58212321
No, YOU go look it up and bring back the evidence. Moving the goal posts and trying to get people to do your work for you, shaking my head lazy motherfucker.

>>58212321
and btw, i'm talking literally almost 10 years ago for their peak at this point. I remember it.
N64 had that peak in 2021.
Gamecube getting it about now.
Vintage pokemon cards had it in 2021

>>58212338
There you go nigger, not hard. go look at any popular SNES or NES game. shit peaked 10 years ago.
You're a fucking retard investing in this shit, unless you are literally buying the stuff with like 100 in existence or whatever

>>58212331
There were literally people buying "shares" of these fucking games and shit a few years ago lmao. a true peak sign if i ever saw one

Even "rare" 1st edition base set charizard peaked years ago. its literally down 75% in value.

Shit that is not REALLY rare is all done

>>58212305
so why not make identical ones?

>>58212363
Oh my god! Your lazy ass found a chart! I'm proud of you. Now let's look at your chart:
>2016 - $24
>2018 - $20
>2020 - $19
>2021 - $19.50
>2023 - $21
So the difference between your fabled "peak" in 2016 to 2023 is.....wait for it.... $2. Two whole fucking dollars.

And your grand thesis is that there will never again be an increase of more than $2?? Go fuck yourself lol. That's retarded.

>>58212321
Yoshi's Island is an extremely common game, a ton of copies exist.

>>58212409
An ungraded Charizard 1st edition shadowless sold on March 12, 2024 for.... wait for ittttt....
>$6,000
OH my god! That means Charizard is peaking RIGHT NOW according to your chart! Let's draw that in shall we?

>>58212409
I fixed your chart for you. You're welcome.

>>58211477
Vintage Pokemon cards are a better form of fiat than the USD. If you don’t believe it or don’t get it, I don’t have the time to try to convince you, sorry.

>>58212497
who the FUCK is going to pay 6k for a pokemon card???
You autistic moron, that card is going to stay on ebay forever, there aren't even any watchers for it.

>>58212682
Did you miss the part where it says, "Sold March 12, 2024"? Are you fucking retarded?

>>58212532
Mate you are one of the most retarded GME tier financially illiterate morons i’ve seen on here.
Stick to your geek video game hobbies because you really arent cool headed enough for financially evaluating this.

That isnt “my” chart. That is a chart that evaluates thousands of sold listing for that card for years. It peaked ages ago and is down 75%.
I dont give a fuck if some actually rare niche variety of it is still expensive, even that is probably DOWN.

The chart was for normal 1st edition unlimited, already dramatically rarer than what most people have. Even THAT clearly peaked in demand years ago.

My entire point in this thread is that normal cards/games when it comes to valuations have peaked and will fall or stagnate. Thats what all those charts show if you look.
Yoshis island? Look at any mario or zelda game. They peaked even harder in 2016.
These are for normal versions, which 99.9% of people own and sell and “invest” in. Its a shitty idea and clearly peaked.
N64 peaked already in 2021, SNES/NES in 2016/2017, and Gamecube probably now.

Vintage pokemon did in 2021/2022.


As i keep stating but your thick little geeky brain cant compute: rare stuff may climb a bit still, because you, know… its rare. If only 100 exist, yeah it may get more valuable when it comes to Pokemon cards. Everything else? Peaked. Even that shadowless Charizard for 6k is Less than HALF THE FUCKING PRICE IT WAS in 2021.

>>58212990
OOOO you're so mad that you're wrong lol.
>That isnt “my” chart.
You posted it. No one thinks you made the chart dumbass, but you did post it so that makes it "your chart" in this thread. Are you one of those remedial English motherfuckers?
>I dont give a fuck if some actually rare niche variety of it is still expensive
It's not a rare niche of it dumbass - it's the exact card YOUR CHART is about. Your chart is for shadowless 1st edition charizards that are ungraded. The Ebay sale is for an ungraded 1st edition shadowless charizard. It's the exact same card. Keep throwing a temper tantrum though.
>The chart was for normal 1st edition unlimited
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
>Unlimited edition cards don’t have the “Edition 1” logo on the left side.
YOUR CHART is for a 1st edition shadowless charizard. 1st edition's are NOT unlimited. You're just fucking wrong man.

You don't even know what card YOUR CHART is illustrating but you're trying to argue with me. We're done here.

>>58212959
you are quite literally m entally insane if you actually believe it "sold".
That wasnt a legit purchaser that was a fn money laundering scheme

>>58212682
a speculator

>>58212331
Dumbass I could sell them tomorrow morning for that same price. Cards especially modern era cards are easy to sell.

Pokemon is the fakest market I've ever seen. It's completely artificial, just like graded video games. If you actually take a look at the Ebay listings, no one is buying, but everyone is selling. The card supply is enormous. Most of the top buying and selling is a small handful of companies that are obviously buying and selling to each other to artificially push up the price of cards. You've got retards buying thousands of dollars on packs trying to get those cards, and then they realize that no one is buying their ungraded singles

There's so much evidence of people breaking open graded 9 PSA slabs and resubmitting them to get 10s. There is no real difference between an 8-10, but retards will pay thousands more for those 10 grades because they think they have some kind of valuable collection or they think they can sale it higher to some greater fool. The grading companies are making a fortune off this scam.

I'm so glad I got out of Yugioh and Pokemon years ago

>>58212265
Nice I bought a case of team up for my first investment into Pokémon sealed

>>58212331
You dumb poor nigger just look at eBay sold listings

In 2018 I started in TCG & PMs
All Booster Boxes
Team up x6
Unbroken bonds x12
Cosmic eclipse x12
Ultra shiny gx (jap) x8
Tag all stars gx (jap) x6
Burning shadows x3
Evolutions x2
Sun and moon base x1

>>58211477
at least they get SOMETHING and not just fake internet money LOL

I sold a blue flame magmar for 2k

Regret it but also I sold the top and one just sold for like $200 the other day so I did decent. I hate holding a material object though it’s so much easier to make money with crypto.

I have been stacking pokemon crystal cartridges for years. Picking Facebook marketplace dry.
Crystal was the least produced original main series game, and the easiest to spot fakes.
It also has a nostalgia bait holographic design.
How do you like this chart?

>>58214229
Based
I only have complete in box Crystal and one loose Crystal. But for the foreseeable future I don't plan to sell because it was my favorite childhood Pokemon game

ITT: Grown men buying magic internet money can't comprehend physical card collecting.

>>58211477
What do you reckon maxmoefoe's collection is worth? Does he keep all the ones he opens or sells em?

>>58211477
Too late. You should start investing on One Piece TCG and farm flagship trophies. Too much liquidity due to obsessed one piece freaks.

>>58216799
One piece tcg has fuck all cards.

>>58213610
Every market is fake, that's life, thanks for playing.

>>58212123
>he thinks money is real

>>58212990
Dude you are retarded and have no idea what you are talking about

>>58216799
>>58219468
i mean you can still buy new booster boxes right ? previous boxes are now overpriced

>>58220610
>>he thinks money is real
Yeah everything is fake, money, btc, pokemon cards. Fuck everything and go live in the woods.

>>58226234
>i mean you can still buy new booster boxes right
yes

>anon cant understand collectors

yugioh card flipping seems lucrative at first because they keep printing out busted cards but then they ban them 6 months later and the price tanks.

>>58226831
>YGO
Flipping booster packs is where the $$$ at

>>58213610
What's the money in next then?
Will animu blu rays ever be a collectible item?

>>58233544
Hypothetically speaking, if a solar flare hits the planet and wipes out most servers and streaming services, yeah.

Physical media will make a huge comeback for a while until the infrastructure is rebuilt, but that kind of stuff only happens in movies.

>>58233544
>>58233631

>Will my Betamax porn ever be a collectable item?
No.

>>58236411
i arleady said its never gonna happen chud

>>58236550
what the fuck did you just call me?

>>58213366
Maybe Legendary Collection vintage cards, but the previous page is just mid overprinted modern trash.

>>58213680
those aren't frequent, not to mention its basically just vendors buying and selling amongst themselves to artificially inflate prices.

>>58211477
Every generation for the last century has had a run on nostalgia for their younger years. The first generation of Hot Wheels and Barbies saw huge price jumps in the 90s and to this day fetch decent prices. Pay attention to what was hot in the last decade, buy them for cheap, wait for a few years for nostalgia to set in and sell for an easy +5x.

>t. a flipper whose made $50k since 2020 flipping shit like Windows 98 computers, toys and cards

>>58211500
they're using ones they made themselves, autistically. they're out there and no, they aren't ((collectr)). here's one my side projects that I made for my side business of importing cards and reselling them for the going market value on ebay. I only started doing it more srsly at the start of this year and have done ~$2k in sales/month. ebay fees and shipping costs are ~$440, so ~$1.6k gross before card costs. I try to be fair and keep my margins 20%+ after all fees and shipping costs so I'm at least not wasting my time running this shop. my margins do go up when customers buy multiple cards, but that's more due to the cards sharing the shipping cost and ebay's fees are $0.30 minimum, which really brings down my margin on single (1) card sales to ~20%. when I calculate the margin on 10-15+ card orders, it's usually around 30-50% being pure profit, so thank you to those bigger spenders out there.
t. me

>>58213238
youre the schizo making up scenarios in your mind. funny seeing you call someone else mentally ill

>>58238083
>things that actually happen
>made up scenario
kill yourself

>>58212123
You're a fucking retard. Those cartridges and discs weren't built to last.They will be rotting and worthless 10 years from now.

>>58213610
you're forgetting the biggest part about Pokemon - you've gotta catch em all; it's a collector's hobby. there are plenty of people who just want shiny cards in person to look at and then put them in a binder. everything sells at the right price - whether that nets you a profit or loss is up to you, your total cost, and the current market value. it's like any other speculative asset except this one has nostalgia tied in.

>>58237708
you spend all this time and effort for a percent of 1.6k AND you still owe uncle Sam half.

NGMI

>>58212331
it's a very liquid market actually

>>58211477
when money becomes untradable, they will trade heirlooms instead

Who the fuck are all these people that are willing to pay thousands of dollars for fucking pieces of zeroes and ones?

>>58238897
huh? it's a hobby business and you think there are profits to be taxed? lol. all money that comes back in goes back out into more cards to sell. I'm building up feedback fast so I can sell my large stash of japanese sealed booster boxes that are now all 4+ years old and all appreciated extremely well. those booster boxes are worth a lot more than whatever my singles inventory worth is. which I'm also keeping track of privately

>>58239681
they are both scam markets.

I have German Pokemon cards, do they trade at a discount?