/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>58161110
Jeets are making so much money on shitcoin rugs that they want to move to Latin America?

>>58161110

Stay in America MAGA, we ll have Trump soon

>>58161129

Bcos america sucks

>>58161165

Trump sck to

>>58161110
Argentina
>White population
>European culture
>Poor hot women who would suck your dick if they know you are from the states
>Worthless currency
>Worse inflation rate than US according to Truflation
>Dollar is king

Clean your dicks faggots

>>58161217
In Rio a hot white whore is even as low as twenty dollars an hour.

I'm from Buenos Aires and I say Kill them all!

>>58161217

>>58161110
I'm going to Argentina. waiting for Milei to start te crackdown on crime and i'll visit this year to check it out.

>>58161110
Chile or Argentina

>>58161746
it's also a man

>>58161865
>crackdown on crime
Argentina has no crime lol

>>58161912
???? it doesn't ????

>>58161790
Based Starship Troopers enjoyer.

>>58161110
venezuela is a nice country!
j/k. this >>58161881 is the correct answer

>>58161217
argentina used to be very cheap. not anymore, since that faggot milei devalued the currency and everything became way more expensive

>>58161912
don't google rosario narcos. it's localized, though.

>>58161942
i don't use rugs and am not interested in drinking or parties. can i be safe in argentina with my gf? i

I moved to Argentina a couple years ago and haven’t left. Plan on staying here forever/indefinitely. AMA
>>58161942 is correct though, Milei has actually fucked the country and made it at least 2x expensive. One can hope that maybe this will bear fruit years down the line- but right now, it’s worse for everyone- locals and foreigners- despite what people on 4chan might say

>>58161165
Based. Long live King Trump.

>>58161110
What for? Work? Retirement? Blowing your savings for a few years?

Anyway, the common answers will either be Chile or Argentina. Argentina has a lot of potential if Milei stays in power, things are still really really cheap (real estate) compared to other countries. Chile is somewhat more of a safer bet but its also more expensive to live in.
Argentina actually got a lot more expensive in USD since Milei took over becuase the Peso strengthened a lot, but if you have a USD income you should still have a good time (not as much as before).

Also since Starlink just started being available, you'll have an easier time if you want to get a house in the interior.
My general advice is to stay away from Buenos Aires City(or other big cities) and buy a house in either: Patagonian Andes, Cordobese Sierras, Entre Rios, or the southern Buenos Aires province (near Tandil or near Sierra de la Ventana)
I travel the country a lot (I do transport) and these are the places that have a lot of picturesque towns, with decent economic activity (either from tourism or farming), and they are safe and mostly accessible (except Patagonia which is far from everything).

Even if Milei fails these places will continue being safe and decent to live. You probably will be able to sell off your property for a similar amount of money and then leave. If the country takes off then these will skyrocket in price and there will likely be more jobs around these areas.

Anyway do your own research theres probably a lot written about these sorts of things. Argentina has a lot to offer, so does Chile and Uruguay, Paraguay not so much but it has almost no taxes and a lot of people retire there. You can look in Mercado Libre for properties in Argentina. I can help you more if you want.
>>58161912
Less murder rate than USA but definitively higher crime (theft)
>>58162003
My gf moved here from Canada and she likes it a lot.

>>58162003
>> twice as expensive.
its still hella cheap if you come with euros sir.

>>58161942
>>58162003
Everything is way more expensive because it doesnt make sense for you to be able to buy so much with 100USD. There was like 100% inflation in the past 6 months, while the exchange rate stayed pretty much in the same level (1000ish to 1).
Milei will likely have to devalue one more time so things go back to a "normal" price level as measured in USD, instead of being pretty expensive, but he's actually strenghtened the currency a lot. MOST people tought the exchange rate would be like 2500 to 1 by now. And if it was following inflation, it would be something like that. But its not, its stronger.

Fuck off, we're full

>>58162056
>>58162041
Doesn’t change the fact that the country certainly feels the worst it has in the two years I’ve been here- and from those around me, sounds like the worst in 20 years. Objectively speaking it’s twice as expensive as it was for foreigners six months ago, and something similar for locals. Worse for everyone than what you’ll read online from before. Coming right now is essentially a bet that his policies will bear fruit down the line, and honestly for anyone who travelled to SEA I don’t think the prices will be that impressive. Really the only tourist thing that has stayed cheap is Cabify / Ubers because locals have no money so they’ll still take pennies- but just look at the price of gas + food + essentials + imports

>>58162022
>My general advice is to stay away from Buenos Aires City(or other big cities)
i was thiinking of renting airbnb for 3 months in the city to get a bit of feel about how argentina is, i was thinking the city must be the safe option. I am from E.U. later I want to potentially take argentine citizenship and have a family there with my gf. I would like to be near the coast, when we have a baby not exactly in the city but also not too far from a city for work and community stuff. I want to actually .... contribute to the society when i start my new life.

>>58162101
>SEA
im not interested in asia. i know its cheap but i just don't want to go there.

A liter of gasoline costs 2 euros where I live.

>>58161165
This! He gonna make America great again. If yall leave it’s cuz you a dumb bitch.

>>58162101
Yes. It fucked people who have USD incomes, because the peso strenghtened so now THEY are feeling the inflation, that they didn't feel before (Usually the USD always went up more than inflation, now inflation has gone up more than the USD)
However for my enviroment its really not been that bad. I think the impacts of this shock have mostly been felt around the Conurbano given they were the ones with the most subsidies and cheap shit, and also obviously its affecting public employees (fuck them anyway)
Its not at all the worst in 20 years. December and January were fucking rough. It felt crazy for a few weeks. But honestly now prices have really stabilized and my income feels quite decent. Obviously I know i'm not a super poor retard on minimum wage, I understand it must be worse for them, but if you have a decent income in pesos its not too bad of a shock. It's not worse than during Macri.

If you are a tourist it IS bad timing to coem right now. I'd come later during the year or in the next year or two.
>>58162110
The Capital city IS safer than most other big cities. Its just like other metropoles though where they can pickpocket you or there might be homeless people sometimes. Maybe avoid parks inthe night and that kinda stuff.
I'm not from the Capital and I've never had a crime problem there (even pickpocketing) and I feel much safer there than in my city, but I mean for LONG TERM living, I recommend living in some small town in a province. No strikes, no riots, no lootings, no trouble there if there's any political crisis.
Theres a lot of tourists in the capital anyway and yeah theres a lot of stuff. Thats why I asked OP what he was moving for. If you're just there for tourism, and partying, and seeing stuff, and spending money, then the capital is the right place to go.

>>58162123
I think gasoline is currently about 80-90cents here. Not sure since I dont use gasoline I use diesel which is about 1.1usd (depends on the province)

>>58161110

Big airdrop

https://twitter.com/BrainTolivl/status/1771035832461226207

>>58161110
Paraguay, cheap even for argentines cause low taxes. It's like malaysia to asia

>>58162160
>If you are a tourist it IS bad timing to coem right now. I'd come later during the year or in the next year or two.
i'll be 3 months in 2 different countries first so I'll be coming around october/november. if i do take that plane. i still have to really decide. but i should do it. its probably going to happen. i'll come spend some in argentina.

> night life
yeah nah I go to bed when its dark anyway. I haven't been to a club for over 7 years.

> why
well first i want to get a feel how Argentina is. I wont instantly move of course. I'll be in and out of the country like 3x3 months in the course of the next 2 years and then decide if we want to try and stay in argentina and obtain citizenship.

>>58162000
yes, argentina is cool. people are nice and most don't even party much (beyond going out and the occasional asado) in my experience.

>>58162056
>Everything is way more expensive because it doesnt make sense for you to be able to buy so much with 100USD
what the fuck does that mean LMAO
look at this retard and laugh at him

>>58162227
My advice would be to base out Buenos Aires and visit Patagonia (San Martin, Bariloche, and then the real south for tourism: Ushuaia/Chalten/Calafate). Buenos Aires is an amazing city if you want a city but Patagonia is honestly incredibly impressive- with little comparison. And I found San Martin / Bariloche areas surprisingly livable

>>58161110
Chile, as expected for a country ruled by communists, is becoming a battle royale between the most dangerous drug gangs of the continent. It's also an expensive country.

>>58162268
>My advice would be to base out Buenos Aires and visit Patagonia (San Martin, Bariloche, and then the real south for tourism: Ushuaia/Chalten/Calafate). Buenos Aires is an amazing city if you want a city but Patagonia is honestly incredibly impressive- with little comparison. And I found San Martin / Bariloche areas surprisingly livable
noted. and thanks.

>>58162101
what is the price of cooming?

>>58162227
Like that anon said, and I can confirm, if you dont like night life or city life in general, then only spend about a week in Buenos Aires, and then spend the rest of your trip in Patagonia. The Nature is really good there, both in summer and winter months. A lot of ski fans come here during our winter because its during their summer, so basically they get to ski year-round. But if you come in October/November idk if you'll really get a chance to do that, maybe in Ushuaia.

>Bariloche
biggest city, a lot of tourists, more built up, you might find lots of drunk teenagers around the end of the year, a bit overexploited but still great sights
>Calafate
really expensive, the main thing to do is go to the glaciers. You can walk on some glaciers and iits really fucking cool, they are huge. You can also just sit and watch them for hours becuase they are constantly cracking and making noises and bits come off and make big splashes and waves. Really impressive if youve never seen one before
>Chalten
tiny town and its hiking central. most tourists are european, when I went I felt like a foreigner. russian, french, german, that kinda stuff its mostly european nature-fags. not a lot of americans (this kinda goes for all of patagonia)
>El Bolson
somewhat of a mix between Chalten and Bariloche. theres a lot of good trails and its not as tiny. the good trails also have mountain refuges so you can just bring a very light bag and then just sleep and eat at a refuge and continue the next day/come down.
>San Martin
been here but I didnt really get to stay. its pretty but thats all I know
>La Angostura
politicians live here. its close to Bariloche and even more expensive

>>58162243
I mean that fuel used to be 20cents/liter and power basically free, because of price controls. The entire economy was completely distorted and it made things cheap, as measured in USD, but salaries were also very distorted(downwards) so it didnt actually help people be wealthier.

>>58162426
>what is the price of cooming?
Aids

Seems a bit high, yeah I know, but it's the price jeets are willing to pay.

>>58162227
>>58162471
Oh well I forgot some. Yeah Ushuaia is fucking cool too but its wet and cloudy all the time. Honestly I think I wouldnt want to live there it'd make me depressed, but maybe for people from Europe/North America, its not that much different from where they live.

Anyway there's also, obviously, a bunch of other cool nature places in the rest of the country, but they are all far away from eachother and I think the best investment would be going to the south. Like you have the Iguazu waterfalls on the border with Brazil, and they are fucking awesome and some of the best falls in the world, but beyond that there's not that much to do. Theres probably some jungle animals you can look at that or whatever, you can also visit Brazil and Paraguay since its close to the triple border, but that area is kind of a shithole(especially on the Paraguay side).
In the Northwest you have a bunch of different mountain sights in Salta and Jujuy, though I havent been to many of them, theres el Cafayate and some other stuff. It has a more "hispanic" feel for sure (People are Bolivian-looking, and there's more Hispanic-style architecture, and the food is more similar to that as well).

Mendoza is a good place to go too. Even for moving there long term, if you HAVE to live in a City, becuase you dont like the countryside or you just like the feeling of a city, Mendoza is the 2nd best city after Buenos Aires. I didn't believe it when I just read it on the internet, but i've been enough times (and to enough cities) to say that, for cities of it's size (around 1mil) its the best. Its THE wine province too, so if you like wine, you'll have hundreds of places to visit and taste from.

The provinces inbetween Mendoza and Salta have *some* stuff going for them but they are quite poor and shitty and the travel times are long to get to places so I wouldnt recommend going there until you've visited everything else.

>>58162471
any recomendations for coast places? I thrive when I can take swims and climb coast rocks and if I can fish and find crabs and oysters and other things im just gonna cooom.

>>58161110
Argentina and Chile used to be pretty good but AFAIK they are on their way to become shitholes. So I guess Uruguay?

>>58162613
Well, Patagonia is dotted with big lakes and rivers, if that interests you. There's also good fishing from what I hear(though I dont know fishing). In Cordoba its also similar (in the hilly area) where there's a good amount of lakes and rivers.

If it HAS to be the Sea though, then your only real choices are in the Buenos Aires province. Pretty much the entire coast of the province is covered in beach-towns, and well they each have a different flavor/target (some are more for poorer people or teens, some are more for quiet families, some are more for wealthy people). I'm not really in the know, and it changes around (as fads do) so I cant really recommend one, but yeah you'll have to look there, you can just see on google maps how many there are.
And then there's Mar del Plata which is like the Argentine Miami or something. Really built up on the beach and huge waves of tourism every year. Lots of expensive mansions and summer houses and that kinda thing farther in. I wouldnt really like it (too many people) but I guess some might.

Then you have the coastline of the rest of the country, further south, but its all desert-y and a lot of the cities there are shitholes. They used to be Oil or Industrial towns but then that went away and now they are poor. The only somewhat decent one, is Puerto Madryn, but its still basically in a desert. Thats where people go watch whales have sex every year.
Any further south than that, its too cold.

I recommend just looking on a map at these places and you'll get an idea for what i'm saying.

>>58161110
Paraguay, Chile.

>>58161217
they will not suck your dick if you are a fat ugly loser
they will not fuck you for being black if you are a bad looking with bad manners loser
you can pay a whore though

>>58162003
the value of the peso was artificially uplifted it was corrected to its actual value which is now much closer to the black market. Argentina would turn to Haiti eventually if they kept up their bs.
>>58162101
That's what happens when you cut the rotting limbs of socialism. You are no longer drinking the alcohol. You are going sober now. But it will be worth it in the long run.
>>58162283
Fill me in. I know it used to be more laisses-faire.

>>58161110

>>58162851
Will always be a tropical shithole