/biz/ - Business & Finance

Literally me , pic related

>>58103782
based palladium

>>58103782

>My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

>>58103782
>"They" tamped it back down today
It's over

keep on stackin, frens

>>58103847
I want to believe.

>>58103894
>I'm a metals poster.....of course I don't care if the premium is 22% or 86% since I'm never selling what difference does it make?

>>58103854
>"They" tamped it back down today
Good. I like my cheapies, cheap. When the moon mission happens, you'll damn well know it's happening because a lot of other crazy shit will be happening as well.

>>58104001
>that filename

>>58104001
everything's got fees
crypto
stocks
real estate
it is what it is

>>58103782
If you're unironically buying actual silver metal as an "investment" you are so fucking retarded it's unreal. In fact, deep down you know you're just buying it as a collectible. You have extra money but no hobbies to spend it on. It's why half of you faggots are old and single and think the world is going to end. You convince yourself this to give yourself excitement lmao it's so fucking gay

Anyways, like I said - if you're actually buying silver metal as an "investment" you have boomer lead brain. Most of you are buying those "Britannia" or Silver Eagle 1oz silver coins and are paying 20% over spot. From an investment standpoint, 20% is huge. But not only that, but when you "cash out" how the fuck are you going to liquidate? Sell on eBay? Sell to a pawn shop? Lol enjoy getting raped on fees or completely ripped off. Basically by buying those literal meme coins, you will need to see 35% ROI before you even break even. That is so fucking retarded it's unreal. Silver doesn't even outperform inflation.

For those who are buying scrap silver and even managing to get it at spot... how the fuck are you going to liquidate it for a profit? Your competitors are selling actual rounds/bars BELOW spot after fees. You are going to be stuck bag holding (literally holding bags of cull coins and scrap silver lol) for YEARS. Silver will need to increase by 20% MINIMUM for you to break even after shipping/fees. Pawn shops will give you 75% of spot, MAX. That's being extremely generous - most will offer you 50%.

Now queue all the mentally ill poltard boomers who will scream "reee you're jewish!" or any other assortment of child-like namecalling as they pound the ground. Anything but actually rubbing those two (lead-ridden) braincells together to rebuttal using critical thinking.

TL;DR:
you are "collecting" silver, not investing in it. Quit kidding yourselves. This general belongs on >>>/toy/

>>58104081
If you pay >1% you're a fucking idiot though.

I only started stacking last year and am at only 6oz of gold. Is it too late for me to make it?

im just gonna get more metals and keep posting here (in /biz/)
lol

>>58103782

>tfw no Iridium, Osmium, Rhenium, or Ruthenium

>>58104345
It's too late for all of us
It was always too late.
It's Over.

>>58104389

>>58104328
>>58104081
Paper metals and real paper e_gold are the new hotness

0%premium
0%commissions
Annual fees
SLV .5%
GLD .4%
Bitcoin 0% to .25%

After 2 years you will realize silver and gold are Le Big Dumb and you can sell and all you lose is 1% and whatever gains you could have had on real investments like bitcoin

>>58104151
>unironically buying silver as an investment makes you retarded.
Warren Buffett is retarded?

>>58104372
gotta draw the line somewhere

Think I'll get a "dime bag" every month from now on.

>>58104535
Warren buffet is buying the stock version of silver - which is still mildly retarded considering silver returns are a meme by now - but at least he isn't getting raped by buying actual silver over spot and the fees associated with liquidation

>>58104663
How many times face?

>>58104693
23x face but that included so called free shipping.

Friendly reminder that the paper to silver ratio increased by .3 over the last 7 days alone. Every 'tamp' is them simply printing more digital silver. Physical is da wae.

>>58104744
20% premium....ngmi

>>58104759
>blaming your investment failures on all powerful overlords.....ngmi


>>58104688
>thinking Warren Buffet owns garbage rocks.....ngmi


>>58104663
>poorfag....ngmi

>>58104024
I think this is true. It won't be just another "Biden shits his pants" news day.

Imagine shilling against gold while we're on the precipice of WW3.

>>58104802
Since you bestowed upon me two (you)s, I shall give you one in return. There are very few people who could show such love of silver as you do. Day after day, year after year, bumping this General. Maybe someday we will save enough money to get you a medal of honor for your service. One made of silver, of course.

>>58104939
honestly he bumps the threads all night with three ids while we all sleep comfy

>>58104886
Imagine watching our government sell bonds to pay interest on the debt as if literally every single bank isn't going to implode and take every other asset class down with it.
There are times I feel like we can kick the can for several more years. But sometimes it almost all looks impossibly fucked so hard it almost defies logic.

>>58104688
Nope. He bought physical silver in the past.

>>58104461
We might still make it.
Expecting another moon shot soon

>>58104886
russia and china are absolutely going to win a flawless victory, it's laughable now, the posturing that we will even contest them in any serious way other than this little ukraine joke

>>58103782
>It's ALL Good edition
This is true, however gold a bit too high for me right now. Got my first platinum ounce instead, a proof round from Switzerland. Only 25k minted. Obverse features William Tell, famous crossbowman and assassin. Reverse shows crossed rifles and the flags of the cantons of Switzerland.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/exonumia66252.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tell

>>58104151
>you are "collecting" silver
No shit Sherlock, does this look like an investment to you? Who cares post metal or leave

crypto nerds will seethe

>>58105703
Nice. I like the theme. My favorite is the cook island bounty. Reminds me I need to scout one out and add it to my collection.

Photo anon if you're reading this do you have a picture of it?

>>58105533
true

>>58105913
The cook bounty is nice, the extra detailed field really makes it pop

>>58106036
Who is on the other side of your 10oz bars? One looks like a 250g bar to me. Is this the case? I need some sleep.

>>58103782

>>58106113
Good eye, one of them is a 250g which is definitely a lizzy , pretty sure the other one is too but I honestly don’t remember. The 250 and the 10oz have the same length and width, just a little bit fatter for the tenner. That EIC design is one of my all time favs.

It's the year 2024 and exactly zero pmg posters have ever made a profit on silver rounds, bars, or junk silver....except my good fren minty....he's not a good bidnessman it's like taking candy from a baby

under $23 anytime soon?

>>58106285
based ship enjoyer

>>58106346
Why? Are you a poor hoping to save up your pennies to buy a few ounces and become poorer?

>>58106431
all the times i've bought it's been under $23 and want to keep it that way

>>58105661
Beautiful piece - unusual for platinum.
Good time to buy, too.

Almost Friday

>>58104151
>le pawn shops
LCS.
>silver is a retarded investment
What is retarded is the devaluation of the dollar. Putting money into boomer rocks is so easy and they retain their value. A LCS will buy back PM - especially numismatics - at spot plus a premium.

>digital in-game item included
https://sdbullion.com/5-gram-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-proof-like-gold-bar-with-pendant-frame

>>58106486
thx fren

>>58106697
>Don't retain value, doesn't appreciate,loses to inflation, you lose the premiums you stupidly pay, you give your $ to your enemies, you stay poor forever, you get to brag to other retards how much you lost

>>58107035
>"proof like"

Kektop that's truth in advertising, should say "investment like" and "virgin insurance "

>>58103998
Shit like this will never happen fast and when it does happen, it's not overnight. Earliest would be like 2030, so just stack until you know

>>58104151

See >>58103847

You're also trading silver stocks/futures which are far oversold compared to what exists. If there's a proper silver correction and silver stocks are oversold, they're going to become cheap whereas actual silver is going to retain its value.

I can't stop feasting on her misery.

I anticipate dinner every evening.

Her tears penetrate the void of loneliness.

The abyss must feed.

Forgive me, my love...

>>58107790
I've just been jerking off to big nipple milfs but you do you bud

bought a libertad and 1.5 oz artic bear today

>>58107154
Noooo but you don't understand! They don't make us any money but you can HOLD them! It's REAL! Not like your silly BUTTCOIN!

>>58107921

Dinner has been served...

>>58107921
>Depressed broke incel coomer only has $80 to feed his addiction to millenial rocks

Is rock addiction the cause or the effect of poverty and depression?

Has anyone used ma shops and had it shipped to North America? I'm in Canada and wonder what the duties and taxes and brokerage fees would be?

>Inb4 high premiums, taxes, fees, fees on fees
It really doesn't matter what the cost is because I can afford it . I'm just curious.

>>58109132
>pic
What a interesting time they lived in.
>Have silver/gold currency worth face-value amount
>Shave off the edges, melt shavings down into buillion
>Can still spend the shaved coins for face-value amount
It's like getting free silver/gold for every dollar you earn.

>>58109201
Yeah it's kind of like how you retards pay 40% premiums and these retards>>58109132
Say 'sure they cheat me but me no care'

Good morning, sirs

>58109449

58109474
>"0 replies"
>they/them replies to me

Why are JPMorgan silver fluffers like this?

lmao most of (you) still don't realize IQDELET is actually a pro-silver shill pretending to be an anti-silver shill.
>obvious use of bots/jeets
>makes clearly retarded arguments
>keeps threads bumped
They/them is trying to make people more bullish on silver by faking an anti-silver agenda and driving people to ragepurchase.
Fuckin' based.

>>58109653
lmao most of (you) still don't realize Bob is actually a anti silver shill pretending to be a pro silver shill.
>obvious use of bots/jeets
>makes clearly reasoned arguments
>keeps threads bumped
They/them is trying to make people more bearish on silver by faking an pro-silver agenda and driving people to ragepurchase.
Fuckin' based.

>>58104345
Better than me
>165oz of bullion
>20oz American Junk
>5.5oz world junk bc I’m autistic
>2.5oz gold
I also bought a tube of capper 1oz bars for the meme but they’re actually p aesthetic tbhwufamalam

>>58108035
not gonna lie, your "x days since i last took my medication" posts were much more interesting

>>58110028

How do you ever remember that?

>>58110028

I can't help myself. Schizoposting is just really entertaining to me. I wish there was more of it on here. Everybody is too angry and aggressive.

>>58110028

Answer me.

>>58109758
>They/them is trying to make people more bearish on silver
If you think your gay little biz PMG thread has any real influence on the price of silver, your perception of reality of so skewed I'm inclined to think you're schizophrenic

>>58110064
>Everybody
not me. i'm happy as a clam

>>58110028

https://youtu.be/NoTLt_HNFAA

>>58110128

That's good Anon.

Do you think so many people being addicted to social media has created a rise in undiagnosed Disassociative Personality Disorder?

>>58110157

*Dissociative Identity Disorder

happy as a pig in mud

I'm having a whale of a time

>>58110064
>Everybody is too angry and aggressive.
Projecting. This board is ran by 3-4 Feds hanging out in a Discord all day.

im happy as a bee in a field of flowers

>>58105533
Implessive. With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of Chinese quantum direct-current electricity, quantum aircraft carriers and quantum enhanced railguns will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.

>>58110776
>With the blessings of Chinese quantum direct-current electricity
kill yourself immediately

>>58110875
Newfag

>>58110944
D&C shill

>>58109922
I don't even count my silver junk, I just have an unknown quantity of blowjobs and quarters.

im happy as a sunflower in the sun

>>58110047
I am the apex predator skitzo thats why the jnnies fear me, i drink colloidal silver in supersaturated form and make jews like jesse seethe at my memes. Within a single post i can determine if youre cool or not. You're cool. jesse though, is a wonka bar hrt posting tranny fag
58109758
jesse you are a tranny faggot. Its been proven that you are the tranny/jesse/iqdelet.

>58110944
>58111001
This is why theh removed the ip counter. In the recent past wed be able to see that no new ips joined the chat meanwhile the two are bickering, samefagging each other all night. They really do not want people holding silver, which is why they have the cryptojannies astroturfing iqdelet then deleting any memes. Funny that jesse called me a glownigger for posting the crackup boom when he asked for the meme. Another anon even mentioned that in his copy of the von mises book it was on page 428. jesse deleted my post because he is a gatekeeper, they dont want you knowing that digital assets are totally useless. When tourists come to visit and they see a sparce thread filled with crypto crap, they might even be swayed away from stacking, ironic because jesses only excuse when he cant shut down my memes is that they scare away stackers. Eben. Another time jesse jealously deleted my post id when he and I (both incorrectly) identified a .875 silver cross (actually turned out to be .375 gold kek [blurry photo]. Anyway, jesse then deleted my comment because he is a gatekeeper, doesnt want anyone else giving any answers. Would not even be surprised if that 1pbtid asking that was him, just baiting so he can r3p0rt and then b@n. Ive tried posting stack pics, even tinestamped ones, but id find that my posts were removed only to come back to the thread where jesse is threatening to "lift peoples wallets to find out where they live" as he whines that i " never posted any metals"
Since the discovery of the archive, the janny's power greatly faded and thats when i noticed an uptick in jesses aggression, the threats became more frequent. jesse is a tranny faggot, also iqdelet and the tranny. Hell claim people confuse him for bob or another but that claim is false. Nobody (except for himself samefagging) has ever confused him for bob or the resident meme makers. The jew fears the OC.

>>58110128
>>58110197
>>58110216
>>58110250
>>58111058

>>58111249
>>58111435

>>58110250
bzz bzz

>>58110250
>happy as a bee

Based. I'm actually waiting on another ancient Greek bee bullet, it passed customs so should get here any day now.

happy as a fish in water (bonus frog)
>>58110157
idk. people have a lot of distractions to divert their attention these days though
>>58111438
:)
>>58111483
that's the bee's knees.
sweet coin, cuz it's honey hahaha!
>>58111616
hell yeah. cool collection

>>58111047
I did so I could see where I fell on the tier charts
It’s fun

>>58111435
this is teh funniest one you post, it literally just shows anons being helpful and talking about markings on silver you dumb twat

>>58111854

>>58103782
silver is stupid it tarnishes and gold is better. if you can't afford gold you shouldn't be buying silver. if you buy silver you don't understand how to make money. you will always be poor. you are a loser if you buy silver

>>58111616
I suppose if one of those sling bullets hit a man in the forehead just right, it would leave the imprint of the engraving. And that would be amazing.

The OG tiers without anime or animals.

>>58111249

Simple stacking tiers without anime or animals

I'm comfy as an emperor.

>>58112036
I own a house. does that make me a land lord?

>>58112128
>I own a house
your bank owns the house, the government owns the land
The Crown owns the governments
GG

>>58112036
>highest tier is only like 2.2ish BTC worth of silver

Funny how people who hate my memes still end up posting my memes that i made a long time ago.

>>58112146
Yeah BTC is real mo-
>wild solar flare appears
oops, GG

>>58112059
Based and Comfypilled

>>58112209
>wild 1933 appears
oops

>>58112128
>>58112135
Depends what country you're in.

>>58112246
You can disobey executive orders. Most people did. Can't disobey a solar flare. Or a power failure.

>>58112285
When was the last time a solar flare wiped out all electronics? Oh wait it never happened. Meanwhile the US government has confiscated all gold once, and various other governments throughout history have forcibly confiscated gold and solver. So one has never happened, one happens all the time. Even if you ignored it, good luck doing anything with it, because it would be confiscated when you tried.

>>58107154
>buys memecoin, nervously watches graphs everyday, loses out to scams, still reports to the IRS, doesn't use buttcoins for anonymous payments, cashes out to fiat, posts pink wojaks on /biz/ when he is rugged, begs for the next 10X or 100X pennycoin

Why can't we just stack in peace?

>>58112347
>When was the last time a solar flare wiped out all electronics?
"Electronics" have only been around for less than 100 years, a blink of an eye in recorded history.

Astronomers estimate that major solar events happen every 350 years.

You're just rolling the dice by investing in digital systems without tangible value.

>>58112246
in 1933 most people respected the US state and followed its orders dutifully
it simply cannot be compared to today
imagine a 2024 Gold Confiscation Act passing the congress... it would be total mayhem, and everyone would know with 100% certainty that they want your gold because they want to impoverish you. lol...

>>58111001
Newfag retard can't even recognize years old copypasta.

>>58112246
Luckily those of us who understand history will realize that the banks are going to wipe clean these debts by revaluing gold and thereby commodities. Your paper debts can be paid out irregardless of the purchasing power.
The future is yours to lose.

>>58112347
From a game-theory perspective the government needs to tamp down on losses from the financial system as well as free speech being able to by-pass the mainstream consensus.
Blowing out the internet and blaming it on China and Russia is almost a certainty at this point. They will 100% need to gayop the masses because everyone is going to be absolutely seething over the direction our country is going in.

>>58112385
We're not allowed to have nice things.

>>58112634
>They will 100% need to gayop the masses because everyone is going to be absolutely seething over the direction our country is going in.
true
they will go full 1984 and blame everything on the china/russia menace, and demand people say that 2+2=5, etc. it's gonna get fucking awful, make no mistake

When silver goes past the moon, will you still remember the simpler times?

>>58112347
I don't give a rat's ass about crypto or solar flares. I honestly hope the crypto kids are able to undermine global fiat money. But I DO care about people promulgating the false specter of gold confiscation. The fact that a law is passed has a very tenuous relationship to the law actually being enforced effectively. The drug war is a perfect example. All of the money and effort expended by government to stop drug traffic did absolutely nothing to stop it.

The gold confiscation in the USA was never enforced. To the extent it was effective, it was through voluntary cooperation by banks. Any attempt to confiscate gold now would be laughable.

>>58112347
And by the way, EMP weapons are a thing and are far more likely to be used in a superpower conflict than conventional nukes.

>>58112265
if you're paying property taxes, you don't own shit
simple as

>>58112817
Real sad that you can't just post on this site. Certain ideas and memes are obviously troublesome.

>>58112950
>renting
>land lord pays property taxes, passed onto you
>mortgage
>pays bank and property taxes
>own
>pays property taxes
So are you just some roastie living with a man who pays property taxes for you? Or are you not American?

>>58112962
It's not going to be some new-age computer era solution. The fix is ALWAYS the same.
The just revalue commodities higher so your debts are worth a fraction of what they were the day before. The mechanism they use is gold. And they are 100% going to do it all over again.

>>58112950
Not everywhere has property taxes.
Deal with the fact you only know servitude.
https://www.commerce.alaska.gov/web/dcra/LocalGovernmentResourceDesk/TaxationAssessment/PropertyTax.aspx

>>58112962
Anyone who thinks they can school stackers on the larceny in the hearts of government and its cronies doesn't understand stacking. But being willing to steal and being able to steal are two different things entirely.

Gold and silver are by far the most difficult assets to confiscate. Land, houses, bank accounts, brokerage accounts, cars, boats, bulky personal property, are ALL easier to confiscate than gold and silver. The only reason the US government made gold illegal was to demonetize it. And that motive no longer exists. By the time gold and silver are remonetized, the US government will be lucky if it can keep the lights on in the capital, let alone pursue a bloody nationwide effort to confiscate gold and silver.

It's a stupid fud and should be laughed at.

>>58109474
>never posts receipts
kek, based. is this a new edit?

>>58113064
alaska is a cool place, ngl

I feel like parting with some of my Holo coins (460, 493), Yotsubas (303, 304, 305, 308), Otoya (227), and gilded Megumin (030). Anyone here have an interest?

>>58112962
idk maybe learn how to write your ideas out more concisely instead of that wall of text you were trying to post:
>"The more concerning problem about gold confiscation was the gov't revaluing it after the people turned it in."
>"The derivatives markets will die and gold will retain it's purchasing value."

You don't have to write a book my guy.

>>58113036
>my servitude is lesser than your servitude
crabs in a bucket

>>58113230
>crabs in a bucket
Must be some eurotrash phrase?

>>58112347
>When was the last time a solar flare wiped out all electronics?

1859, telegraphy chuds got rekd but obviously most people didn't notice. The next one will BTFO the world as we know it, though maybe well before another Carrington event occurs the Russians will get tired of ZOG Deepstate nonsense and detonate a nuclear EMP in the orbital plane hosting our telecom satellites and get the SHTF party started early.

>>58103847
Based and armstrong pilled. I'm ready for the mother of all omelettes.

>>58104372
And where are you supposed to get those? Rhenium basically does't exist on the open market with the exception of some guy on ebay selling overpriced nuggets of it.

>>58113230
>toxic relationship with a spouse and, or the gov
I've seen too many people's lives ruined by mirages without prenups. You choose who you marry, but you can't choose the gov. Or just be smart and never marry. Always upgrade to someone younger every few years.

>>58112004
>if one of those sling bullets hit a man in the forehead just right, it would leave the imprint of the engraving

Kek, I'm certain it happened. I haven't seen pics but have read about some bullets that were allegedly made with an embossed erect cock'n'balls, imagine the poor cucks found laying on the battlefield with fatal blunt-force mushroom stamps sunken into their heads lol. The ancients were the OG trolls, they could craft and deliver a good shitpost better than most fags today.

Guidance corp? Any good for buying stuff from?

Bagholder general

When my bags are full of gold, I'm happy as a cat with a bowl full of cream

>>58113773
Why are you asking retards who lost 80% on silver for advice? Lmao

>>58103847
I have a 100oz stack of silver just incase. Nothing that will earn me a fiefdom if it all collapses, but enough to get by.

>>58114109
Am as does

>>58114127
you could buy like 3 big houses right next to each other. set up an extended family multi-home for generations to come

>>58114127
Lmao you have nothing, why in your imaginary collapse scenario would anyone want a useless rock....silver dollars would be worth less than paper dollars

>Bbbbut why won't you give me a house or at least a bag of cheetos for this silver,,,,,,,,!uh no, fuck off retard

Friendly reminder that post hyperinflation collapse literally everyone will want your silver and gold for barter.

https://financialpost.com/news/economy/in-venezuela-people-break-off-flakes-of-gold-to-pay-for-meals-and-haircuts

>>58114381
>silver dollars would be worth less than paper dollars
we have plenty of historical precedent that says otherwise

>>58114415
Don't feed the troll.

>>58114381
JIDF is busy today.

>>58114415
You don't live in 1644 you live in the present well actually that's not even true you live in some bizarre fantasy world constructed by silver merchants where silver buys virgins and mcmansions

And then you have retards like this clown>>58114410 who suddenly believes fake news story about someone trading gold flakes for bread and for some reason translates that into free houses for silver....lmao you are all poor depressed losers praying for the death of civilization because your current life is pathetic

>>58114562
Yep, everyone is responsible for your bad investments except you here's your victim points you can stack them next to your worthless garbage rocks

>>58114592
I don't invest in silver I invest in blueprints of local synagogues.
>here's your victim points
People who believe in the holocaust won all the victim points, there aren't any left for me :(

>>58114620
Ooh we got an internet tough guy , fact is no one is scared of you low iq racists you lost all your $ in an obvious silver scam and are afraid to go outside hence your lacking real world experience so you fall for scams

>>58114706
I'm not as tough as you, hanging out here all day getting paid peanuts to repeat yourself. Your life is miserable and pathetic.

I'm a bitcoiner, but I have to admit that gold is really pretty and whenever I see bars posed on PMG it makes me want some. However, I find it difficult to pay retail markups for physical, rather than just buying the Sprott trust (ticker: PHYS). Sell me on taking the plunge and paying the retail markup.

>>58114783
You can get gold at spot or $15-$20 over. Too poor for that?
>sell me
Go away

>>58114852
Lmao the liars who claim they buy at spot also brag about paying a 386% premium on wagmis and show their collection of goldbergbux that has 1500% premiums

>>58114878
why don't you sell collectible bullion for a lower premium if you think the existing offerings are too expensive?

>58104151
>For those who are buying scrap silver and even managing to get it at spot...

No one here buying scrap pays anywhere near spot, half or less of its melt value is my rule but some people have averages under 25% of melt.

>how the fuck are you going to liquidate it for a profit? Your competitors are selling actual rounds/bars BELOW spot after fees.

Refineries pay 92% of melt price or more for scrap, it's so easy and quick to liquidate that even smoothbrains like you and IQDELET could manage it. Selling bullion at or above spot is even more straightforward, if you can't figure it out you're clearly NGMI and might want to consider becoming an apprentice beach condom collector in Vietnam instead.

>>58114903
I'm already rich..,,,,it's not complicated if you stop falling for the silver .....oh nevermind minty I didn't realize it's you....lmao good job milking these retards see you soon at the reunion

>>58114783
The markup is generally under 7% for 1/4oz to 1/2oz gold and under 4% for 1oz gold on major exchanges. The premiums go up during times of high demand, but don’t buy out of fomo and you will be fine. If you wait a year in cash and inflation will eat that up anyway. The truth is, the retards you see on other generals screaming about 20%+ premiums are genuinely lying shills or brainlets that bought into the shilling without ever looking at a chart the or pricing of PMs.

Here’s the first one I found after 30 seconds on google. Only $50 over spot (2.3% markup) for a quantity of 1. Free shipping, no tax.

https://www.boldpreciousmetals.com/product/4413/1-oz-asahi-dragon-gold-bar

>>58114127
Even if you don't have enough to be an instant king, you have enough to invest in tools and materials, and to hire workers so you can start a business when most others can't. So you will be a king before long.

'ate crypto kids
'ate JIDF
'ate 1 pbtid meme spammers without stacks
simple as

>I'm already rich
>Never proves it
I'm just going to keep aquiring physical

>>58115007
So this guy's a liar?>>58114852 or just a retard.... probably both because most of you scam victims would snap if you realized how much wealth you gave to your enemies

>>58114783
Buying paper gold is like going to a restaurant for dinner and eating the menu.

>>58115010
Silver scam victims are poor because they have no skills and are lazy and no one is going to sell tools and resources for 20 ounces of silver before or after your imaginary xraphcollapse

>>58115055
Buying fake physical silver is like paying for 2 pizzas and then bragging on 4chud that you only got one and got food poisoning

lol at the jpmorgan shill

https://silvergoldbull.com/10-oz-silver-gold-bull-silver-bar-at-spot-price

>>58115007
>the retards you see on other generals screaming about 20%+ premiums
lol that's the troll you just replied to

>>58115098
That guy could very well just be a regular anon considering dipping his toes into shiny rocks

historic fractional gold coinage practically anyone can afford for less than 2% over (sometimes listed for even less)

>>58115114
These silver scam bagholders are all extremely bitter, depressed and self entitled individuals. That's their motivation for buying metal when civilization collapses they will finally get free mcmansions and free virgins. They know deep down they fell for an obvious scam and bitterly lash out at everyone even potential friends and allies....sad

I guess it's totally possible for silver to remain at $25 for another 5 years, thereby having inflation eat away its trade-in value. And well, the only thing keeping holders and I afloat with this hunk is the possibility of it mooning if some financially apocalyptic reset happens, which if it ever happens selling the silver for a million dollars will be the least of your worries.

Not throwing shade, I just bought 6 kilos of silver.

>>58114730
"luxurious" life

keep stacking

>>58115170
The whole fractional argument is cope that metal investors are all poor and can't afford an ounce. No one even wants your ounce of gold or 10 ounce bar they would rather have fake Hershey chocolate

>>58115170
insured shipping free to your door.
couldn't imagine not owning physical assets.

The government will just confiscate it becauseyou are racist or for no reasonat all. Lmao they know how much you retards own because you brag about it here and post pictures everyday

>>58115246
>>58115034
some things will simply always have value

>>58104663
thats an awesome way to do it, consistency is key.

>>58115055
Sprott is backed by physical bullion with tracked serial numbers held in the Royal Canadian Mint.
>https://sprott.com/media/1060/sprott-mint-bullion-holdings-summary.pdf

Sometimes it's not Tyronne or the government stealing you stack its your mom or brother or kids not that any of you will ever have kids you need the imaginary collapse to get your imaginary free virgins

>>58114233
This guy's playing Monopoly rules IRL

Isn't it interesting how the various crypto generals and communities on /biz/ don't suffer from the problems of shills like /pmg/ does? I just find that the most interesting coinky dink.

>>58115365
They would rather pay 40% premiums because they would feel stupid posting a picture or fondling a picture of Sprott. They aren't investors they are brainwashed retards

>>58115386
Lmao this silver scam victim doesn't think crypto is shilled on biz

>>58115386
They did the last time I bothered looking. Their shills tend to feel more organic overall though, definitely not the exact same kind of thing.

This one faggots posts make up like a whole 1/3rd of the entire thread, and that's on the regular. Crazy to me that /pmg/ unironically has a dedicated shill team, at the very least you couldn't ask for a better buy signal.

With that said why won't the mods and jannies do their job?? Are they complicit??

>>58115459
Lmao these silver scam victims can't into math and they need a safe space to shill the silver ponzi scam. Maybe you should call the FED or JPMorgan and get so e new talking points

>>58115459
>Are they complicit??
Probably.
I find it suspicious that the resident tranny stopped posting at the same time the unprecedented amount of shilling started here.
The "mintanon" person is also a janny and likely a fed

>>58115459
>>58115511
very true, on pol or even k, any comment praising russia or china or any strategies they engage in is spammed to hell with shitposts

you would think that the people that end up on 4chan discussing these topics would be objective in their analysis because there is no one here to censor you for your opinion

like yesterday there was a thread on a russian guidebook for infantry and it was 200 posts of shitting on it on k, for the most insignificant and retarded reasons

same with the fact that russia and china are buying all the gold on earth or producing it

the governments of the west will literally spam post you down here because it is a real threat, same thing with monero, or the rural land threads I make

yet all the shitcoins never get any counterpush, there are 20 link threads in the catalogue etc, totally worthless shitcoins take up the entire board and that's intentional

>>58115511
>The "mintanon" person is also a janny and likely a fed

Uh wut? You think our boi mintanon, the guy who has to suffer impatient crybabies and retarded sperglords whining about microscopic design elements 24/7 is a fed?

>>58115593
Kind of like how you JPMorgan FED silver fluffers always personally attack anyone discussing economics, or supply and demand for silver. You shills hate authentic info and insist only silver shills be allowed to post

Quick reminder that jesse threatened mintanon, here are the screenshots.

>>58115683
>2+ years to make a coin
>accidentally reveals himself in a screenshot
>makes threatening comments like "I'm only an hour away from you" and "I know where everyone lives"
Gee idk anon

>>58115747
make a thread for your topic

I don't go into bitcoin fag maxi threads and spam them with 100 posts, it's pointless, unless of course I was intent on spreading demoralization

if your idea is valid enough to stand on its own, make your own thread

same with the spammers in the monero threads

>>58115365
The US dollar was backed by gold too. Right up until the day it wasn't. And do you know what holders of dollars could do about it when the rug was pulled? Not a goddamn thing. And it wasn't a Mad Max scenario that caused the US government to default. They just defaulted because they could. Learn from history or don't.

>>58115683
Lmao it's obvious he's got your names and addresses and it's all linked to you retards posting nazi shit and guns, yall dumb as fuck, except minty of course he's making sweet bank from charging $86 for a round plus whatever the fbi gives him

>>58115972
Nah, no he doesn't or my latest clearance wouldn't have been approved. Send the email friend. Don't be afraid.

>>58115850
This is the thread for my topic, investing silver and gold. Why don't you post on /toy/ since you aren't interested in biz

>>58115369
>tyrone

Obsessed

>>58116006
We wuz on silver coins N shieeeeet

>>58116005
That wasn't even you doing the mintanon threats, was it? That would sure be funny if it was while you still don't reply to my offer. I don't think mint has much to worry about.

>>58115819
You're retarded if you thought that was mintanon. He was one of the people being threatened with a road trip

why are trolls so mad? can't they just be comfy?
anyway lads, got popcorn and rounds. we watching kino?

>>58116075
No, that was definitely him claiming to know where the anon and everyone else lives. He was rightfully mad but that doesn't excuse his own threats.

>>58116107
Go in the archives and look at the IDs, retard

>>58115819
>makes threatening comments like "I'm only an hour away from you"

I'm pretty sure that specific comment was posted by Big Bob, and he was responding to a resident delicate snowflake fag who was threatening mintanon and demanding an apology for having his pathetic feelings hurt.

>>58116107
...it was a guy mad at mint and threatening him

>>58116123
I'm not retarded I was there and witnessed it.

>>58116131
That happened, and then mint came here, angry, making his own threats. He's the only anon with our addresses and the only anon who could credibly make those threats.

>>58116160
Because all internet threats are credible!

I'm pulling these from an archived thread where jesse was exposed. Here is another time jesse freaked out. jesse has threatened several people on here, randomly b@nning anons for no reason and removing posts. He is an israeli shill along with iqdelet. Its no reason that counterarguments to iqdelets crap get removed, they do not want any redpills getting out there. They sense or everything they cannot control, but lately that hasnt been working because anons discovered the archive.

>>58116160
How would he even know what customer he was responding to in the thread?

How do you figure he'd be the only one? We are getting orders that come from an address.

Don't come rub my shoulders now minty

>>58116160
You're retarded m8. Either you don't know what you witnessed or you think this new angle of divide and conquer is going to work.

>>58116185
>How would he even know what customer he was responding to in the thread?
He didn't, but he was so mad that he made the threat of "only being an hour away".

>How do you figure he'd be the only one?
Is anyone else selling and shipping items here?

>>58116194
I wish janny was only an hour away

Wasn't the guy upset about crusaders being listed on eBay and accusing him of minting an excess to sell online?

>>58116160
>and then mint came here, angry, making his own threats

Sounds like you misidentified the source of some amusing fedposting, I'm almost certain it was Big Boomer Bob fucking with the annoying snowflake anon, whoever it was I'm sure it wasn't mintanon.

jesse is also trying to tarnish the mint anons credibility and sow discord in this community, but anons have woken up to see that its been jesse stirring up trouble the whole time, samefagging with iqdelet to bump the thread and push their shitty iqdelet arguments. Its all archived for anyone to see.

>>58116228
>Sounds like you misidentified the source of some amusing fedposting
Sounds like damage control to me. Feds don't get so angry and say things like "I'm only an hour away from you."

>>58116230
Is jesse the trannyposter or the chink that gives footjobs?

>>58116230
Ah OK, I didn't really know who your "Jesse" nickname referred to but I see it's the same delicate snowflake faggot that always cries out in pain as he lashes out to strike decent anons.

>>58113773
i dont know them, i like monument metals because they have good prices and there is always something cool in the deals tab.

i also keep my usual order to 10 or 20 ozt pr month. you get free shipping and i have heard they replace any package that gets stolen or lost, but ive never encountered an issue with that

>>58116297
The only negative thing I can say about MM is their handling times. Other than that they're a top tier supplier for retail.

>>58116247
jesse you are a tranny. Stop being such a faggot.

>>58115765
who the fuck is jesse and whats going on? how is mintanon scared of some internet tranny?

>>58116194
Link the post so we can show you how retarded you are

>>58116247
>Feds don't get so angry and say things like "I'm only an hour away from you."

But I thought you said mintanon was a fed? Not following your logic here m8, what I saw in that specific exchange was Big Bob milking the snowflake fag for lulz.

>>58103782
Anons were talking about living in the rockies and someone said i live an hour away from you (from the rockies) nobody threatened jesse. jesse is the one threatening anons quite often since the discovery of the archives.

>>58116314
i agree with that assessment, i have never purchased at a level beyond a kilo at a time.

good on you for getting to the point of buying 500 round boxes at a time! though i do imagine it is a little more stressful. do you find yourself wanting to wait just another week for spot do drop?

>>58116451
Mintanon and Bob are probably Feds, minty probably got caught making actual threats yall saw him here doing that and hate crimes, Bob, tax evasion. Now minty and boomer bob are forced to entrap white incel losers into wasting all their money and life force on garbage rocks and posting incriminating info. Anyone who encourages you to post metal or guns is a FED. It's stupid to have to say any of this but yall fell for the silver scam so you are extremely naive. At least minty can make 50-100k milking you retards on frog rounds Bob just gets to stay out of jail that's why he's so bitter

>>58116550

>subhuman IQDELET the shitskin Dalit trying to talk to me again

Can someone fluent in the streetshitter dialect of Untermensch tell that bloviating poortard that I only converse with actual humans?

>>58116755
The divide and conquer tactic won't work, might as well move on to the next one brainstormed by the loyalist tyrants in the federal government

They gotta trot out the propaganda pieces since record breaking gold prices are in the news. You don't want to be associated with those delusional psycho chicken littles, do ya?.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/14/why-doomsday-assets-like-gold-and-silver-are-doing-so-well.html

>>58116997
>The complexity
Lmao, it's like the exact opposite for most people. Living better while having fractions of the knowledge and know how.

>>58104151

Bullish

>>58116944
Lmao, the divide and conquer worked quite well on you Silver scam victims you white incel losers were divided from your money, future prospects and children, you spend your life buying rocks and posting pictures of your losses. Cattle

>>58116997

>>58117128
Last reply, do redeem sar

>>58112209

The space between the earth and the moon is big enough to fit every single planet in the solar system lined up side by side. Now imagine how far away the sun is.

Space is big. Really big. The odds of something like that impacting the earth are astronomically tiny. So much so it allowed life to flourish on earth for billions of years.

Being afraid of a CME is less reasonable than believing in the tooth fairy.

The hell of it is, the anti-silver fudders won't be lacking in precious metals when the dollar fails. They've got their stacks as secure as they can make them already. They know the value of metals, they just have a vested interest in keeping the Jewish game playing for as long as possible because they are paid to put out fires that could burn it all down. Only the stooges and henchmen will be caught flatfooted

>>58117033
You retards have been saying the same thing year after year and you're down over 25% in the last 12 years hahahahahahaha silver is supposedly a "hedge against inflation" yet your meme rocks are literally crashing harder than the dollar. The only thing funnier is how you losers are in denial about reality itself - you have the mentality of literal trannies

>silver is a good investment! I don't care what the numbers say!
>I'm really a women! I don't care what the science says!

>>58115459
I’ve been around lurking PMG since the start and its fishy how long IQ has been allowed to be such consistent nuissance for so long now. Especially when so many people get handed bans for hurting a jannies feelings.

>>58110047
>>58110064
>>58110086
sorry i went to work right after posting that. i don't know why i remembered that, kek, i just instantly recognized the style

The fact that IQDELET's ID was IQDELET is more proof that KEK mitt uns. Praise his name!

>>58115765
>retard didn't strip the exif.xml data from his mobile upload
Lmao already found out where you work and your boss is going to be calling you in on Monday wondering about these chomo accusations
>4chan strips exif data
Yeah but not the xml on these new phones, dumbass

The jew fears the silver stacker.

>>58116563
>buying 500 round boxes at a time
Different anon bro.

Iqdelet and jesse are the same jew tranny janny

>>58117530
>Wah wah wah I lost 80% on the obvious silver scam because I didn't listen to the cute guy who warned me about the scam

>>58117670
woops

>>58117530
i have a theory that he works for someone who helps pay to keep 4chan running.

Reminder that everyone who bought silver is holding a bag of 80% losses.....that's not why they are depressed and hateful tho that came first

>>58118382
Right now feels like I'm just holding a bag of disappointing 3% gains desu. But that's why I wasn't planning on ever selling it

>>58118382
You'd have to have bought for ~$120 to have 80% losses, so late 1970's. Most people in here are not that old (age ~50). Shut the fuck up fag.

I'm a gold poster, of course I eat at McDonald's like Warren Buffett we can afford it

I'm a gold poster and I'm rich of course I get wings with my cheezy Angus burger

I'm a gold poster of course I have blings and wings

The ID's are a Godsend

Idk if you frens remember, but a month ago i wasn't able to identify a copper quattrino with Urban VIII's coats of arms from the Vatican and asked here.
Didn't get any answer, and since i couldn't find anything on my end, i randomly put a $65 pricetag on ebay and called it a day.

Just few days after wanna guess who purchased it? The Czech Republic museum of money! I wonder for how much higher i could have sold it for now lol..

And i find it interesting to see museums too are lurking on ebay trying to get their hands on deals for ancient coins. I wouldn't have guessed so before that event.

>>58119892
>i find it interesting to see museums too are lurking on ebay trying to get their hands on deals for ancient coins. I wouldn't have guessed so before that event.
My largest single customer for coins on ebay is a museum.
They're also my main competitor for coin auctions.

I'm glad you made a profit off the coin, but I'm scared now to look up what it is and how many are out there....

>>58116096
What did you watch?

>>58119942
>My largest single customer for coins on ebay is a museum.
aha nice!
>They're also my main competitor for coin auctions.
Not nice :(

> but I'm scared now to look up what it is and how many are out there...
wdym bobro? Concerning this quattrino you mean? Imho you'll find a grand total of 0, because that's the number of copies i ended up finding online.

>>58119990
>Not nice :(
it's all good, they're good customers and I like to see them get a good deal even if it's at my expense. Also they bid infinite money if they need something, so they keep the prices high.

Yep, I just mean it's impossible to know what a unique coin is worth. On the plus side if there's none out there and a museum got it, you won't see it for sale again any time soon. So no regrets!

You've owned and still own some incredible stuff!

>>58112409
>what is 2020, what is covid
if you think people will not comply you're a fool

>>58120006
>Yep, I just mean it's impossible to know what a unique coin is worth.
Ah yes, definitely. It's only what the biggest bidder is interested to put on the table. And not that many people may be interested with it, nor find your stuff. After all, if it doesn't exist, people can't look after it, nor think to search for it. That's the main issue with super rare stuff i think.

>So no regrets!
Definitely not, it was part of a lot of papal coins i purchased for 30 bux (pic rel), and all the coins individually sold for between 15-35, plus this one for 65. It was a super deal, much better than my recent slurps i must say... not have been very lucky as of late. :(

>You've owned and still own some incredible stuff!
What i'm the most proud of lately is my growing collection of ancient greek coins. I'm nearing 30 coins, and i'm so much in love with them. There is something to them i can't explain, but no other coinage ever come close to bring me the joy i have when i receive a greek bronze/silber by the mail!
Sadly there aren't that many new ones being auctioned each week (i mean once you weed out the quadrillion shitty fakes from morroco/bulgaria/romania), so that's a game of patience. But i'm not the patient kind kek.

>>58120077
>not that many people may be interested with it, nor find your stuff. After all, if it doesn't exist, people can't look after it, nor think to search for it. That's the main issue with super rare stuff i think.
yes absolutely. That's why I love bidding on ultra-rare stuff. Never know if the coin will go for a buck or a thousand bucks, just depends who sees it.

I know exactly how you feel about your greeks, I feel the same way about my junk tokens. It makes me honestly happy to take them out and hold them and think about the history and time they represent. Even more fun if we can build a collection by helping other people find the coins they need for their collections! And yep, I'm impatient as you are. I only have one coin left to complete my collection, it is the Holy Grail coin I need. But I don't expect to see it come up for sale any time soon. I don't know who owns it but I do know it sold for $2k a couple years back and I missed it. But maybe I'll get lucky. I am impatient though.

>>58120199
>I only have one coin left to complete my collection, it is the Holy Grail coin I need. But I don't expect to see it come up for sale any time soon
Just did a special prayer to Kek, if digits you'll find your missing token before the EOY, and at a great price too.

>>58120316
Kel NOOOO!

lol it's also fun to want something and hunt for it... Not sure how I'll feel when my mission is complete

>>58109653
Is IQDELET nonbinary (they/them)!? I always assumed they were male (he/him).

>>58120067
Just like they comply with the war on drugs.

>>58120839
The government could just tax gold and silver 20% that would shut down bullion dealers lcs and then jail tax evaders problem solved, but let's be honest the government wants people to buy metal it deactivates them from forcing real change to the monetary system. Like look at you chuds cowering in mommy's basement waiting until an imaginary collapse you are harmless

Thats nice,
My company allways pays for flights and hotels, so i could set up this reward Account on my name
Takes 8-10 months but 1free maple is a free maple

>>58120562
non-binary and multiple personality disorder

>>58119945

>>58117901
Literally me.

>>58117582

That's okay fren!

for my german speaking anons. Usually I don't like the Kettner guy that much but this vid by him is very well explained.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pyrs-UlvabM

any updates on comex collapse?

>>58112246
sorry, i lost mine in a hedonistic weekend in atlantic city

you don't believe me? go check every pawn shop there. you'll find my stack

>>58121628
happens all the time m80

>>58121448
Kek... what it really looked like...

Going through some old memes, I came across this one. I updated one square that didn't make sense anyway. Guess which? Yes, a couple more could be edited. Sign of the times, and of the repetitive nature of /pmg/.

>>58121567
Old meme.
It has been replenished, so now it's musty.

Anybody find the latest Rwandan Nautical for cheaper than $36.87?

WHEN THE FUUCK IS SILVER GONNA BLAST OFF LIKE MY NUTS INTO A TEENAGE SOMALIAN FUCK TOY?!?!
HOW IS SILVER HITTING NEW HIGHS AND SILVER IS STILL BELOW ITS ALL-TIME HIGH WITH THE ADDITIONAL USES WTF

>>58122479
Token not needed, ser. Do not redeem.

>>58122029
nice

>>58122479
Silver always lags, this is your last opportunity to slurp.

>>58122418
Nope - good find, and thanks for the alert.
Now the big question: Wait and hope another vendor picks them up for less, or assume Apmex will be the only vendor and bite the bullet and pay their usual high premium?

>>58119874
>I wonder for how much higher i could have sold it for now lol..
Ouch, that had to have stung a little.

>>58122563
That’s where I’m at and not sure I want to spend enough for free shipping right now.

>>58121541
>for my german speaking anons.

>mfw I don't speak German
>mfw I have to press "1" for English

>>58117639
>>58116417
What are you going to do about it?

>>58122598
Kek - Thanks to you, now so am I.
I'm going to wait though. I have hope Bold will get them, though they missed 2022.

>>58122029
I would've tried my hardest to jam a couple of those up my ass and smuggle them home.

It is finally happening you guys. I don't know when soon is; but this just dropped today.

>>58122686
Apmex has the 2022 for $2 cheaper than the the 2023

>>58122739
>$75
GLWS

>>58122754
Got it tho.

>>58122774
I am not able to preorder it yet. I want to though. The Don needs a wife

>58122652
Go be a fag somewhere else you tranny named jesse. This is pmg.

silver is for plebs, gold is for chads, bitcoin is for elites

>>58122787
It’s just frustrating, the new one should be cheaper

>>58122739
those tits are way worse than the original design that was posted several times before. no thanks

>>58122885
True dat. Two schools of thought:
1) This is going to be a low-mintage year (they don't tell us for either year) and therefore rare (buy it now), OR
2) They're among the first to get it, and are charging 'exclusive' rates.
3) Apmex is just expensive, and other vendors will have it for less.
Decisions, decisions...
I'm still in the wait and see camp.
But you're really into ships. I can understand the greater draw. I've paid way too much for coins promoting my interests.

>>58123037
>Two schools
Or three.

>>58116160
You are a liar jesse. You are trying to defame mintanon because youre a kike.

>>58116194
Lying sac of shit. You were talking about the rockies and a random anon exclaimed they lived an hour away. You are such a lying tranny kike. All you do is lie because youre a tranny named jesse

>>58123126
>>58123158
My name is JesseBobIQLassen, I'm a Malaysian Jewish tranny. Everything you say about me is true.
What are you going to do about it?

>58123167
>posts airsoft guns
Cringe. Go back to pleddit kike.

>>58123167
Based

>>58123192

>>58123037
Yeah not a fan of the nauticals not having any mintages released, but it’s the only ongoing ship series now. I’m holding out for a combo of 2and3. It’s not a terrible price, right now I just don’t have anything else I want to get to free shipping

>>58122418
>Apmex
Anus Tongue My

>>58123167
ok what did I miss?

>>58122739
>Back worse than the queen
>Front is babby's first 3D desogn
>Producer is a sperg
I expected nothing and I'm still disappointed. If $75 is actually the asking price it all goes from sad to funny though.

>>58122739
Please make this. It will increase the value of all the other pmg customs by comparison.

>>58122997
The original design does look good; however I am still getting this. I don't know of any other silver producers that have any anime styled liberties. 75$ does seem steep; hopefully the physical silver titties look of higher quality on the surface.

>>58122739
Am I supposed to be excited?
This looks terrible. Her tits look like 1980s bolt ons, her hair is unnatural and blocky, the band on her head breaks with her hair, and I don’t think whoever designed this knows the female anatomy.
Go find a really good hentai artist on fiver or hell maybe even the weekend waifu draw thread on /a/ and try again.

>>58123804
I don't think their is a try again. The marketing is already out. That appears to be the final design. Though the tits do look 'bolted on' I think it's an improvement of the original flat chested design

>>58122739
This is... hideous.

>>58122739
Looks decent to me. Will buy one if it gets made.

>>58114878
I routinely bought gold for roughly spot at my monthly coin show over the last 4 months or so. Gold has mooned and so all the vendors who got it when it was cheaper were happy to move it

Got a 10 peso for 520 last week(which was spot price), the month before I got a quarter oz krug and brittania for like 5 over spot.

Online dealers don’t sell for spot, but a LCS or show vendor will if it makes sense

Stop replying to the rich guy who can't even show the pathetic 2k he thought was worthy of bragging about

Page 10. Time for a new thread.
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>>58125261
>>58125261