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btc will never cross 100k

the 15 year old coins being dumped at 69k was proof enough that this game is over

>>58079940
bullish thread, 1m eoy confirmed

thanks for playing

I started in 2021 and came to the same conclusion. I don't think BTC will cross 100k. People will be in disbelief and hold their bag all the way down. 80k -92k is the zone where I'll be anxious to take profits. Maybe I'm wrong

>>58079956
That is one of the reasons why i made this thread. We will likely push one more time, because the RSI is not extremely overbought on the monthly but it can fizzle out at ~80k, trapping a lot of maxies and normie ETF money for years to come. Also, after the ETFs there isnt any new narrative, everyone who wants to buy has the potential to buy, thats another reason for a few cycles without a new ath after this cycle. Like Microsoft, Appe, Amazon etc after the 2000 crash.

>>58079940
What do you believe the best indicators are to determine we are near the top. I see you use the monthly RSI which I use as well.

>>58079940
>He doesn’t include the entire run up to the 2017 bullrun in the graph
2021 was weak as fuck and everyone smart or with enough experience knows this.

I think your range is a little low, but I otherwise agree. Dotcom took nearly 15 years to recover and it’s not entirely unheard of that something similar might happen with BTC. Shitcoins will be rekt.

>>58079940
Thanks for the info.

>>58079940
>The probability is very high that we will top this year
Uh, yeah. We already did. Therefore the following wall of text was totally meaningless:
>meaning we will have a left translated cycle for the first time in btc history. The top will in that case be between 80k and 120k, so a lot smaller than most btc holders anticipate. 100k will see a lot of outflows from other oldfags who have that target, so it can be that even whales will get trapped bagholding if 100k never comes. This is the 4th cycle for btc (2009-2013, 2013-2017, 2017-2021, 2021-2025), meaning this is the last cycle in a 16 year macro cycle after which it can be that we will not make a new ath for a long time, like 8-12 years, as Micrososft, Amazon et al after the Dotcom crash. Trade accordingly and take profits, the monthly rsi and macd will tell you when the time has come. I made it from crypto so i love it and have a lot of appreciation for this space, but never close your eyes for a reality you dont want to see. There is still a chance for a supercycle, meaning we will go up for the next 1.5 years but the chance of a left translated cycle is higher. MEANS DONT SELL ALL, keep a small bag even if a left translated cycle is as good as confirmed.
What an extreme waste of text.

>>58079940
Midwit take
USD is crashing with no survivors.
The next paradigm is taking golds mc and mass institutional financial adoption, followed by nationstate soverign wealth funds (qatar, uae etc.)

>>58079999
Check these digits homos

>>58079985
yep

>>58079940
>>58079985
>uses RSI instead of Stochastic RSI
And that is why you fail.

>>58079940
How do you stare at TradingView with a white background?

>>58079988
We can just use the charts as they are, even weakness of a cycle has meaning in the grand shemes of things. I didnt want to zoom out further but the idea is clear because of the RSI and MACD which goes way back to 2012.

>>58079986
RSI and MACD on the monthly are best for long term trading, you can also add the stochastic rsi and the pi cycle top, which are also good indicators.

>>58079999
Thats the reason why i stick my profits into Gold, broad market ETFs, real estate etc. I will also hold a small bag, like 10% of my holdings in BTC/ETH long term for the possibility of a supercycle. Cashing out into USD and not investing into something else is retarded, keep half a year expenses for emergensis and invest the rest.

>>58080007
Good observation. It's a newfag thing.

>>58080006
I already took out several times of what i invested, as i said i made it from crypto. Im retired since 2021, my first sell target this cycle was 66k€ so not far from the 73k USD top so far. Im good no matter what happens, i just want to help newfags who are getting 100k, 500k, 1mil dellusion hopium pumped into their brains from all sides.

>>58080007
I use a blue light filter on my screen

>>58080006
>stoch rsi
>ta.stoch(rsi,rsi,rsi,len
PFFT

>>58079940
I made a similar thread last month. 120-140k was my safe estimate for maximum top. We will see a ride into the next super bowl. When the crypto commercials appear, let that be a red flag.

This

>>58080036
I fear not even a blue light filter will save me from light modes...

>>58080012
>I didn’t want to zoom out further
>still uses data from 2012
Cherry-picking. You and I both would never guessed that Bitcoin would go to $20k in 2017 after the bottom in 2015.

RSI, MACD and all of these indicators are midwit stuff. It works until it doesn’t, just like muh 4 year cycles or that bitcoin won’t hit ATH before the halving. Not saying it’s worthless, but it’s not what matters.

>im sidelined sell
cope bobo

>>58080007
light mode helps with astigmatism.

>>58080073
We can just use the tools that we have on our hands, so its better to use RSI and MACD before taking an uneducated guess. If you want to just go blindly into buying and selling, do it but i will use the tools that i can.

>>58079940
All that text is just multiple layers of latefag cope arguments, layered over each other and combined. You tried to disguise that it's poorfag cope arguments and that you're new, but it's still extremely obvious. You sound poor and desperate.
> "The probability is very high that we will top this year"
>will
> "The top will in that case be between 80k and 120k" -- desperate for BTC to go higher from here
> "a lot of outflows from"
>says "outflows" -- as in "inflows" and "outflows", which stems from the recent ETF talk; "flow"-speak comes from ETF talkers from plebbit; pre ETFs /biz/ didn't talk like that
>whales will get trapped at my imaginary top, but not me; that's how smart i am
> "after which it can be that we will not make a new ath for a long time" -- Holy crap, ESL detected
> "i love it and have a lot of appreciation for this space"
>this space -- aaaand larping normalfaggot plebbitor/twatter confirmed
> "never close your eyes for a reality you dont want to see" -- the extreme irony
> "a chance for a supercycle, meaning we will go up for the next 1.5 years" -- please, please just go uuuup
> "DONT SELL" -- desperation; please guys... don't hurt my bags...

Crypto is DONE.
What world changing crypto has hit the space since BTC?
There’s a lot of promises, a lot of shilling and touting and fucking MOONBOY fags, but even if an innovative tech is released (tether) it’s proven to be entangled with BTC anyway.
Cryptos golden age is over, it’s time
To take any profits youve got and go live your dreams.

>>58080117
I dont have anything to loose anymore, i still remember the times when Ethdelta and polonieux were the shit for ETH trading, i still remember IDEX and Kyberswap, i bought my first XMRs on localmonero back in 2016 for 50 cents per.
Only a retard trades in absolutes, thats the reason why i sold and will sell more but not sell everything. I cant say what will happen with a 100% certainty, for a matter of fact no one can and the people that tell you they can are just retarded or want to ruin you.

>>58080085
>light mode helps with astigmatism.
it pisses me off how many apps and sites only have dark mode options

>>58080012
>Thats the reason why i stick my profits into Gold
KEK

>>58080108
I’m not saying to not use them, I’m just saying that it’s only indicators so one shouldn’t trust them blindly.

We all know Bitcoin is slowing down, so lower returns are expected. Still, 2021 was very weak. But back then everyone and their grandmother expected $100k. Maybe that’s exactly why it didn’t happen. Now it seems like everyone and their grandma expects $120k-$150k. Maybe that’s the exact reason why that won’t be the top?

I remember a lot of oldfags thought the top was in when we were around $5k in 2017, and to be fair, looking at the chart, it god damn looked that way. Yet we still rocketed to $20k.

I agree with you in the big picture here, it might take a decade to recover after this bullrun, but I think that especially the case if we hit a very high top like $250k-$300k. Besides, if you have faith in BTC as a long term investment and you sell at $80k and pay taxes, can you really buy back in if it hits numbers such as $250k? IMO it’s just safer to hold on to the majority of your stack until we hit obvious bubble territory (for this cycle, $200k+)

>>58080073
>>58080073
Indicators are midwit stuff for this kind of prediction. OP is calling the top a little too early. Realistic scenario is estimated by factoring dotcom tech volume vs marketcap + overall marketcap growth 2000-2024 + inflation. All those things considered will give the best possible estimate of what kind of crypto marketcap we'll see. Retail is still asleep, things have just started cooking.

>>58079940
> made it by pure luck
> thinks it's appropriate to spam textwalls of pseudo wisdom now
> le i'm so smart, listen to me
you and every idiot sees those indicators. stop playing nostradamus, midwit

thank me later faggots
also
>2016
>oldfag

>>58079940
You will never be more than a nigger

>>58080170
Gold is a must in a diversified portfolio, most of my money is in broad market all world ETFs and i live practically from the dividends of those.

>>58080178
Thats the reason why i will not sell all my coins. I cant exactly say how high it goes or where the top is, no one can. But i rather start selling early than bagholding for years. I will not buy back in because i still have some and where i live i dont pay taxes after holding for more than 12 months.

>>58080202
Im not smarter than the average guy, i would bet a lot of people here on biz are smarter than me. Luck plays a big part in all of live and i dont have a problem with admitting that luck was a factor in making me rich. Just helping newfags here is all i want to do.

>>58080006
You can just see how useless the monthly stochrsi is in 2017

>>58079956
69k sell wall was obliterated. Just took a couple of days.
GBTC started again to unload their massive BTC bags and it's crashing the price. At this rate they will take 3 months to run out of Bitcoin.
Guess what happens next when nobody is selling huge amounts every day and the halving creates a supply shock.
With this I'm not telling you that BTC will go to 1M. I'm a realistic person, I think that the top will be around 110k in 2025.

>>58080208
middlefag then?
So you anticipate a 120k top mid/late 2025? Can also happen if btc follows the normal cycles still, without making a left translated cycle. Keep in mind that btc crossing old ath before the halving is a stark indicator for a left translated cycle. Do you have a plan IF btc never crosses 100k this cycle?

>>58079983
>I don't think BTC will cross 100k
How is $100k harder to cross than $10k in 2017. It's all in your head. We will get to about $400k this cycle

>>58080138
the whole financial system will move onchain retard

>>58079940
Nice larp. No i'm not selling my butcorn.

>>58079985
>after the ETFs there isnt any new narrative, everyone who wants to buy has the potential to buy,
Pension fund unzips fly

>>58080217
>no one can tell how high or low we will go
which is my point exactly.

Now I will tell you this, if we only hit $100k, it’s not even a 2x from the previous top. That’s nothing in the bitcoin world. IMO it’s fair to believe that if the top is that low, it would be quicker to recover from than a much higher top. Bet it wouldn’t take a decade to recover from a very small $100k top.

Unless you have extremely, extremely solid sell signals at $100k, I would advise against selling hard at that point, since it’ll recover decently fast anyway. But that’s just my two sats.

>>58079940
I've been trading crypto since 2016 as well and I think you're full of shit.
>Left translated cycle
What a fucking joke. This dip prior to the halving and likely after as well will only confirm that we're on target exactly as you should expect, and we'll probably see a top around 150-160k in early 2025. Kill yourself with this misinformation shit like you have any clue.

>>58079999
>qatar
A silent btc arms race has already been triggered. We will later learn this.

>>58080250
Based nips.

>>58080239
>120k top mid/late 2025?
no, early 2026, watch closely.
>that btc crossing old ath before the halving is a stark indicator for
its an indicator for nothing, you cant just make up shit. An indicator is something with historical precedent, there is no precedent for current price action. You cant say this thing that never happened is an indicator for whatever.
>Do you have a plan IF btc never crosses 100k this cycle?
the lines dont lie anon, we're crossing that 100k but this year's hellcrab will demoralize a lot of people

>>58079940
Bitcoin is going to die off, main alts will replace it after 5+ years of failure beyond this cycle. Its going to be obvious Bitcoin is dead but look how easy it is to pump LTC with only like 7 billion market cap. Mark my words, cap it if you want Ill be right (when Im dead)

>>58079999
Holy checked.
fuck cyclefags this is the end of the whole shitshow called the financial system. All by design of course.

>>58080286
>Bitcoin is going to die off

>>58080286
>Bitcoin is going to die off, my alt bags will replace it
You had 15 years

>>58080243
dreams from the sewers of mumbai

>>58080251
Diminishing returns will do that to every asset.
We went from the top in 2013 (1000$) to the top of 2017 (20k$) to the top of 2021 (69k$) to a top of likely between 80k$ to 120k$. It is totally in line with the diminishing returns of the last cycles.

>>58080257
The breaking of old ath before the halving has never happened and is an indicator for a left translated cycle. Can it be that we will still follow a normal cycle? yes for sure, but as a trader you need to look at all scenarios.

>>58080278
The histroic precedent is that btc never crossed the old ATH before the halving, we did it this time which means we are ~10 months to early in the cycle. Thats the idea behind a left translated cycle, meaning the top will also come earlier, likely this year instead of next year. We can also crab for the next few months, reset rsi and follow a normal cycle after that, its a possibility. As it is now, my most likely scenario is a left translated cycle.

>>58080309
The fed is going to keep printing until we see a loaf of bread for a days wages.

>>58080299
Bitcoin cant exponentially grow forever. Its not a ponzi scheme but shitskin Africans arent interested in paying 3400$ a transaction to move 30 cents on BTC.

Bitcoin current market cap: 1.237 trillion

How much actual money is there in the world?
HowStuffWorks
Feb 1, 2023 — According to estimates, all the money in circulation is worth $8 trillion U.S. This is actual, physical money that's available in currency notes

Litecoin current market cap: 6 billion

Fun fact Litecoin has the #2 most usage next to Bitcoin, actual people sending and receiving daily and its accepted as money anywhere visa is, or paypal. Its essentially money now, superior to Bitcoin in every way in terms of actual usage. Once Bitcoin loses its profit potential it loses its use case, but Litecoin has strong supports and massive growth potential.

>>58080304
You cant buy my bags, I know their true value but you can buy some other idiot whos selling.

>>58080313
>left translated cycle.
which you made up to support your deluded thesis,
>we did it this time which means
which means nothing, you dont know. You cant possibly conclude shit about an unprecedented event. As of now, many are bearish, many are bullish, all indicates a long crabbing year and the lines support this. Alt season is gonna kick hard this year, then alts will get rekt next year as btc pumps again, then one final alt pump (where xrp will finally have its run) before the bear

>>58080328
So all the other assets larger than btc cant expand either ? nice argument.

>>58080328
>>58080341
why do you bother shilling LTC? holy shit get a grip anon

>>58080346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVmw3ZhdzEs

I'm also an oldfag. 2013. Bong. Used Mintpal exchange in the UK. Thought bitcoin was to expensive at $180. Bought shiity altcoins like Blackcoin, Litecoin and Auroracoin instead. Mintpal was hacked. Went back in big in 2016.
OP is a newfag retard. Our minds keep adjusting to the BTC price. My first major investment into BTC was in 2020 at $8000. That would have been absolutely unbelievable to me in 2013.
Sovereign wealth funds and pension funds will start slowly coming in this bullrun and it will be like the 2013 retail bullrun - several bullruns of states and pension funds. I am an absolute maxi. Bitcoin is superior money. That's it. There's no escaping its domination.

>>58080036
>i just want to help newfags who are getting 100k, 500k, 1mil dellusion hopium pumped into their brains from all sides.
this is admirable and nice, unfortunately the nature of the game is such that we need top buyers to think bitcoin is going to 300k so that when it climbs towards 80-90, we have enough momentum/time/hype to sell.
the fundamentals of the game and human nature dont care and all in all its a zero sum game and the rich get richer etc etc.
i do agree with you, i think the next leg up that pushes through all time high may be the last.
it will be at that time that the narrative is so bullish and cloudy that the common store worker will be investing in bitcoin "because its going to 1mil!"
we cannot save them and the sad fact is, they will probably have to sell at a lose or baghold for years... but isnt that what everyone does at the start of their crypto journey?

>>58080355
I dont need to shill it, its just fun knowing how asspained you will be when you realize Im right down the line. 6 billion, 1.2 trillion. I dunno whats more likely to 10x first.

>>58080358
ahh yes the bitcoin standard, nice pipe dream. Reality is its too risky of an asset for major players to fomo in big time, they dont like those big fat whales holding huge stacks they bought or mined for pennies. Given that only these major players can really pump bitcoin to new heights, who's gonna be left to dump on? they got all the money
>inb4 btc becomes the money
yea nope

>>58080365
if your ltc goes 10x then my alts will go 100x i dont worry about it

>>58080313
>and is an indicator of a left translated cycle
I just disagree outright with this premise.

>>58080391
Chances are what you hold has no use case, and if it does have a use case its probably appropriately priced. Unless its Doge, which has no use case.

>>58080404
No one cares about use case, only number go up.

>>58080328
LTC being used as common currency is exactly why it has to remain fairly stable. If it experiences parabolic growth or massive crashes, people won't use it for daily transactions. XMR has the same problem

>>58080404
its one of the few coins where token is actually needed, and the use case.. you'll hear about it soon

>>58080386
>Reality is its too risky of an asset for major players to fomo in big time, they dont like those big fat whales holding huge stacks they bought or mined for pennies
Nation states/sovereign wealth funds, pensiln funds have decades long investment strategies, not like your little tik tok brain. They can take whale sell offs.
You already said you sold at $66k. You blew your load in uour pants and you're coming on here to make yourself feel more emotionally stable. I've been through every crypto emotional roller coaster fren.
>inb4 btc becomes the money
You don't know how generic you are. There's someone like you on biz all the time, for years.
>it'll never break $1k
>it'll never break $10k
>it'll never break $100k
Tuck me into bed and tell me the same words I've heard for years

The following bagholders will not make it unless they sell relatively soon:
SOL, XRP, ADA, AVAX, DOGE, SHIB, TON, DOT, TRX, MATIC, UNI, NEAR, APT, LEO, ICP, ATOM, FIL, RNDR, STX, ETC

If youre below ETC you better have a serious hidden usecase that you know infinity niggers with 10$ will want to actually adopt.

>>58080154
>Ethdelta
I lost millions in that casino...

>>58079956
>>58079956
>>58079983

Achtchually it means everybody has a price. I see this playing out as tptb want all the btc but cant just take it right now (they would if they could but they cant so they dont) so they just play the capitalist game of increasing the price higher and higher until eventually it would be foolish not to sell.

>inb4 compressed carbon handz

Those are who will not sell at any price are as irrelevant as people who don’t vote. And if they wait too long they will probably get locked out as btc and mining is consolidated and eventually their coins are literally blocked out of the network entirely. The House always wins (and you’re not the House).

>>58079999
This guy fucks

>>58079999
checked

>>58080313
you are the textbook midwit, do you have the slightest idea on how small the total crypto market is?

>>58080435
Why would there be option for czech language, wtf?

>>58080363
Its not the rich getting richer, its the well-informed and well-connected that get richer. Besides the richest people from btc are all hyper-autists who mined early. The fiat rich ones are all bagholders. I literally judge people by their crypto holdings and could care less about their fiat “wealth”.

>>58080426
>They can take whale sell offs.
a little dip they can take, giving the wealth of entire nations to a couple neckbeards with anarchist tendencies? nope, doesnt fly.
>You already said you sold at $66k
huh? where? thats op
>it'll never break $1k
>it'll never break $10k
>it'll never break $100k
except im saying it will break 100k on this very thread? fucking read retard.
bitcoin pumping != bitcoin becoming the defacto money of the world. A pump is done with fiat, to sell for fiat. Bitcoin as money removes fiat from equation which simply cannot happen

>>58080416
It should remain stable but its still affected by inflationary fiat and the network effect. As the number of transactions in LTC increases shouldn’t the price increase?

>>58080563
>Bitcoin as money removes fiat from equation which simply cannot happen
countries totally more than half the worlds population would benefit from such an event
why cant it happen, you mean some old fucks in washington or strassburg will give mean looks
oh my how scary meanwhile the third world commodity exports arent excepting printed fiat garbage anymore and russia is already sanctioned
the age of western anks printing money and looting the rest of the world is over, the new world will need a new plan that isnt dependent on government not printing
unironically btc is perfectly positioned for this
always remember hard assets have no top in fiat as fiat debasement has no bottom

>>58080951
War is what happens anon. Big ass war. They will nuke the whole world if thats what it takes to keep the fiat system

>>58080435
>muh litecoin
gtfo boomer

>>58080358
This. Bought my 1st satd of bitcoin in 2017 when it was $2400 and that seemed insanely overpriced when I thought it was crazy that it hit $200 in 2013.
>2013 crypto watcher

>>58081007
nuking your processors and miners
please tell me in your own words how that helps
it doesnt matter which way it turns it leads to the end of western fiat
no matter how many bombing runs you do with billion dollar jets on mudhuts doesnt result in minerals output

>>58079940
>retard analysis
>bullish divergence on his own chart
>thinking price will fall because of “16 year macro cycles”
>not understanding that the US will soon be defaulting on its bonds and there is nowhere to hide but in assets

>>58079985
Not true. Major institutions still can not buy btc. They have internal due diligence processes that takes months. They are still sidelined until the next several months. The blackrock etf buys is retail and hedge funds. Not companies and pension funds etc. trillions more to tap into to dip into btc.

And that is just the US market. And not mentioning any nation state.

We will have no idea how this play out.

>>58081073
Also:
>not knowing that asset managers are beginning to allocate a percentage of their portfolios to Bitcoin

>>58081043
lets suppose youre right and btc takes over and fiat is dead. What would change? the same rich elites would still be majority holders, you now would have some new elites who bought early but wont ever be allowed in the old boys club. Money doesnt run the world, connections do. The same old bankers would be on top. They would adapt their world to this new tech and move on, business as usual. There is no power shift

>Supercycle
>1.5y

1.5y from here will be shorter than all previous cycles. Supercycle meaning we'll stay green throughout 2026-2027

>>58081098
What I think is happening is they will use money printer. Print money. Accumulate all bitcoin. Then release the digital dollar “backed” by bitcoin.

>>58079940
clear bart on the handle there which historically precedes huge upside movement. conservative guess is $210k on the weekly by eoy

>>58081121
then btc would be the new gold and this digital dollar the new "backed" currency. Then 50 years later the backing is dropped like it happened with gold and we're back to the same old fiat system

>>58079999
>>58080002
Nice digits but vegan jew id cancels it

>>58079940
>2016 oldfag
my fucking sides

A high probability when it's never happened in any cycle before huh?

>>58079940
>2016 oldfag
Pick one, besides your shit's all retarded.

Fed is crashing this party with no survivors today.

>>58080154
The etherdelta/idex days will always be my favorite.

I’m not selling faggot

>>58079985
>Also, after the ETFs there isnt any new narrative, everyone who wants to buy has the potential to buy
BTC does not need a new narrative because its current narratives already work very well.
The ETFs strengthened its appearance as a digital gold. It really does have many similarities to gold as well as advantages such as limited supply and ease of storage and transport. If this emerging societal consensus continues to solidify we can expect it to continue eating into gold's market cap as a safe haven/store of value asset.
MicroStrategy, Tesla, SpaceX, Bukele already bought BTC for their treasuries and will likely be joined by more such actors, as well as BRICS or rogue states, and eventually maybe also central banks.
Younger generations are more pro crypto, so long term there should be a generational shift that further strengthens its role by default.
As a new tech asset BTC may also be used for payment and reserve currency purposes that would be possible with gold in theory, but aren't being done because gold is not a hot asset. As an example, banks are introducing things like crypto-backed debit cards. Could you do something like this with gold? Yes, but it's not a hot asset right now.
Pension funds have already been mentioned.
Its historical and current growth rate have been so enormous that there is an element of an arms race to it as well. Not buying BTC is a bet that the emerging consensus of 15 years on this new asset class will stop. But all recent events indicate that it won't.

>>58079999
>Midwit take
>USD is crashing
That is the ultimate midwit take

>>58081958
the gold price is trying to tell you something, midwit, also usd/chf.

Forecasting X price on Y date is low IQ. If you want to time the top you need to objectively look social data (normie interest, etc) at Y date. Price X could be $100k, it could be $250k, or more, who knows -- the important part is objective observation. T. 2013 fag.

>2016
>oldfag
None of your schizo babble has any validity regardless, but I should've known to stop reading at the title

>>58079985
>after the ETFs there isnt any new narrative
sovereign funds

>>58082152
The manipulators (JPM, GS) behind the gold price are trying to bait you, anon

>>58079999

OP writes the same as the guy who made top threads in 58k$ like an month ago.

you are the same guy aren't ya? dsfdffdfgh

a lot of bagholders are created every year

wow you must be a trading god. please dont post anymore retard. thanks

tbqh i dont give a fuck about your boomer btc
while GPU INU 1000x out of thin air
cuz nvidia conference taking place

so you pajeet either step in or be sidelined on another book of meme inu

>TA meme
according to VSA, this might be the biggest bullrun that will ever happened.
The market usually divided into four parts: accumulations, the bull run, distribution, and the crash, and there will be alot of SHAKEOUT inbetween this.
Take a looks at the picture, the blue box, it looks like a market top, but if you look at the volume, it not so high, the it means that, it might not be the distribution phase, but actually a SHAKEOUT, it is confirm by the red box, notice the volume that so fucking high, which means, whales, institutions, after the shakeout, buy the bottom. The market top or distribution might happen this year after BTC reach 200 - 300k, they do not bought a tons of BTC like this just to see it barely above 64k

>>58080328
>How much actual money is there in the world?
This is irrelevant, banks make the supply bigger with fractional reserve banking. You can 100x that amount you stated. And it keeps going up in the form of credit / loan

The meme chart disagrees

>>58079985
>after the ETFs there isnt any new narrative
I've heard this "there isn't any new narrative after XYZ thing" meme since 2017. ETFs are merely the start of custody, this is a first step for them not the last one

you're all a bunch of midwits

>>58081098
you can print btc you utter idiot we go back to a system of honest accounting or where scammers get rekt permanently instead of bailed out
like you know the system before bretton woods on which most of human history ran, its amazing people forget history so very rapidly and then cant even imagine a world with the old norm anymore

and yes money runs the world not currency you mistake the two there

>>58082488
Agreed, boomer coin go boom. Totally gay that non related chains and coins should be tied to it.

>>58082684
>you're all a bunch of midwits
i am starting to wonder if these are midwits or rather well poisoners
there are just too many retarded arguments made nowadays all telling you to sell now

>>58083517
>you can print btc
i assume you mean you cant. You cant print gold either. You dont need to. Owning majority stake is enough to lord over you.
>honest accounting
k i'll give you this since cryptographically secured public ledger is a game changer, it would indeed fuck up a bit their shadier dealings, nothing that cant be solved by these people though. You think you're smart, rulers of the world are leagues above you pal. Everything you think you got figured is probably wrong and theyve been thinking about monetary systems for centuries. They rule the world while you post on schizo boards and gamble with internet tokens.
>the system before bretton woods on which most of human history ran
yea definitely no scams or corruption then, it was all sunshine and lollipops lmao. How the fuck do you think we got to modern banking in first place?
>cant even imagine a world with the old norm anymore
we dont want to return to the old world faggot, thats what goldbugs want. Are you a goldbug or a cryptofag? the old world was essentially flawed thats how they were able to take over. Many many problems with gold.
>yes money runs the world not currency
>muh gold is true money, fiat is just currency!
neither matter in reality, only people do. Stop listenting to libertarian jews. With a big ass army, i get to dictate what is money faggot. Thats the real world

>>58079940
>as Micrososft, Amazon et al
What kind of tard compares a memetech company that pumps due bullbacks and product fads with the first and last possibility to own the only decentralized strictly limited in amount asset ever

>>58080386
>Reality is its too risky of an asset
And this is why we are still early

>>58079940
>never close your eyes for a reality you dont want to see
precisely what you're doing

Tin foilist here,
99% of shit goes to zero, what's left will go on the golden bull run before crypto turns into the digital stock exchange.

100k and I'm out, simple as.
Many such cases.
It WILL get that sometime in the next 12-14 months, I don't care what any doomer boomer coomer trooner has to say.
If you didn't accumulate enough for 100k BTC to be life changing money for you then you wasted the previous decade, tough shit.

>>58083657
yes obviously i meant cant print btc thats on me
the rest of your post is too stupid to even bother replying too
i"ll address your final point tho: who won in the end al lthe armies and navies of france, prussia, russia, austria-hungary and france the greatest powers of the planet at the time
or a family of jews with their jewgold
i'll repeat myself you cant print btc this enforce honest accounting or frauds that wipe themselves out over time, think a while about that statement before embarrassing yourself again with a low iq take

>>58079999
Checked and based.
>New Jersey JEW Vegetable ID
kek

>>58083937
>a family of jews with their jewgold
precisely they control the armies through proxy, because they convinced fools like you that gold is wealth, after having accumulated 80%+ of supply obviously. Its a meme, an ancient one. Gold was used to write important shit that was meant to be preserved forever, and decoration mostly spiritual, before it ever was "money". Jews meme'd gold into money and once it served its purpose they replaced with fiat.
They're powerless without army support, but they'll keep controlling them as long as they control money. Btc doesnt solve this, since if jews ever feel threatened by it they'll just buy most supply IF they dont already own it most, and back to business.
They dont NEED to commit "fraud", thats for low level criminals. They fucking dictate the law, they can circumvent the law or change it as they see fit. They control world goverments and you talking about petty fraud and dishonest accounting, as if btc solved this. Which authority is gonna scan the blockchain and indict them for fraud? your local police? which fraud you speaking of anyway? we're talking on different levels dude go back to reading rothbard or mises or whatever jew you like listening so they poison your brain with their ideas of "sound money" as if such thing ever existed

>>58084105
and he comes back with an even dumber response
go buy dogcoins and talk about it on plebit you'll like it more there

>>58079940
People learned from the halvening pattern last few cycles, and so wanted to jump in ahead of the game. But if everybody does that, then things just shift backwards in time.

>>58084130
your arguments suck, you sound like your average crypto newfag, probably bought at >50k lmao and thinks he's smart. We've been talking about this shit for years while you were playing in high school kid, get the fuck back in the line and lurk moar

>guys guys you cant print bitcoin, its gonna take over all the world currencies, any day now! jews are fucking done i tell you, done
this is your average crypto newfag

>>58084105
>waaa waaa the joooz are marvel super villains that will never ever be beaten by us stupid boys, don't even try!
defeatist loser

>>58079940
>2016 oldfag here
Grim.

>>58084185
this is what max projection looks like

>>58084312
the axis couldnt with a massive army and a world war, but you will with your internet funny money lmao

>>58084408
just accept defeat retard you dont even post arguments anymore

>>58084208
Nice indicator buddy, I recognize your custom scale because I also discovered the same a while back and wrote my own indicator for it and am going by the same BTC chart. Nice work. It works great on Kaspa too.

>>58084572
no need to argue with a retard there is no point any casual observer shall know the retard for the retard he is
only purpose now is milking lolocows by pushing the retards buttons so he posts even more retarded things
and now that i brought it up, please delight us with your next low iq take retard

>>58084624
my next low iq take is im gonna dump on you while you wait for adoption, top fucking kek. Keep holding those bags its the future of money remember! you'll hold all through the bear like a good goy

>Capo here
>This is why this bullrun halvening is different
Rope. Now.

>>58084743
perfect post for my cringe compilation
we'll see who is the idiot here in aug/sept 2025

>>58079999
Checked and correct.

>>58080394
he saying a "left shifted cycle" where the pattern is being ran through more faster

>>58084555
they were up against... bigger armies

ur a retard

>>58081958
>USD isn't crashing
Did you just come out of a coma a week ago?
We're within visible distance to the gates of hyperinflation being blown wide open
JPow has to willingly throw the deep state entirely under the bus to even attempt to save the dollar, in an election year, with the propaganda machines already turned up to 11
Btc is going places nobody from even bitcointalk.org was seriously proposing

Back to OPs point
>a lot of bagholders will be created this year
Yes, the key difference being they'll be the ones selling at 70k, trying to FOMO into 200k when it goes vertical

>>58079999
My plan is to cash out into gold. Apmex still accepts bitcoin for payment.

But I'm not cashing out until Q4 2025,

>>58079940
We're actually going to 150-200k, which is smaller than previous cycles actually.

>>58080154
I can Google shit too anon. Doesn't make you an old fag. Just makes you a fag.

>>58079940
Never mind the top, what kind of floor are you anticipating?

>>58085869
Its always a safe bet to aim for an 80% crash
If it goes higher, might be 85-90%

>>58081007
WWIII would unironically be good for crypto. Russia and China will fund their war with crypto.

>>58085869
The "Pi Cycle Bitcoin High/Low" indicator on the month BTC chart is really fucking good at letting you know the bottom.
I bought at 20k, it went to further down to 15k but now it's back at 70-60k at the moment and it has been pretty reliable every single time.

All the USB btc wallets brick and exchanges get 404'd. Anyone running a btc node is new elite and oldfags selling for fiat rich life get rugged out of cool opportunity simple as.

>>58079940
Kek 2016 counts as oldfaggotry now?
>>58083849
You will get 100k much sooner.
>>58080036
>i just want to help newfags who are getting 100k, 500k, 1mil dellusion hopium pumped into their brains from all sides.
100k is completely reasonable while 1M is not (yet).
>>58080286
Kek sure, just like BTC Cash is going to replace BTC in 2017, remember?

I've been here way longer than OP and I've ONLY done trades on the basis of digits, as they tell us the truth and wisdom of kek. And as we can see, BTC is going to the fucking moon:
>>58079999
>>58079999
>>58079999
>>58079999
>>58079999

>>58079940
>we will have a left translated cycle for the first time in btc history
This time it's different
>we will not make a new ath for a long time
True
>rsi and macd
Kek

That was quite the brainlet sandwich

>>58083849
>1k and im out
>10k and im out
>100k and im out

>>58080073
Its not that its worthless, its that the worth diminishes with the spread of the knowledge of its worth. If too many people know about the cycle dynamics, then the cycle will shift left as more and more try to front run.

>>58080117
>appreciation for this space
his post made sense but this confirmed it for me too

>>58079999
QUADS HAVE SPOKEN OP IS A FAGGOT

>>58080208
Chart at 119k when btc never touched it?

>>58080344
Lmfao

>>58081958
ah yes. Strong And Stable.

>>58086087
Has there ever been an attempt to explain why it works using Pi? It just seem like a "funny" constant to throw into the mix for no reason at all..
Don't get me wrong Pi charts are pretty good, but it's sort of occult-magic, like the universe likes certain numbers based on observations and we must honour the will of the universe.

>>58080322
Who do you think owns bitcoin

Btc is correlated with the Ponzi scheme stock market. If this clown stock market keeps going up BTC will go up with it. If it doesn’t y’all are fucked

>>58085093
Probably you

> for the first time in btc history
stopped reading right here
if you don't consider past data because "this time is different", then anything can happen and no one knows, so any prediction including yours is 100% bullshit
if you consider past data, then you know we are going to crab for some months before taking off in 2025, when we'll start seeing the effects of the halving as always
there's no in between
/thread

>>58089997
>if you consider past data, then you know we are going to crab for some months before taking off in 2025, when we'll start seeing the effects of the halving as always
I think most of us believe this will happen

>>58079985

What do you recommend doing if my portfolio consists of 1 BTC, 20 ETH and 1000 LINK? Sell them all at BTC ath?

>>58090113
then most of you aren't retarded, since this time is no different at all

>>58080471
>dat Id

Yeah, he fucks New Jersey Jew vag apparently.

>>58079986
Pi Cycle Top and MVRV
https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/mvrv-zscore/

>>58079940
>the monthly rsi and macd will tell you when the time has come.
this is how i know that you're just a lucky bagholder who held long enough to "make it" from crypto. so i guess congrats on that but from an analysis standpoint you dont know your ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to trading.
both RSI and MACD are LAGGING indicators, possibly the slowest indicators you can use. this means they have zero predictive power of future probabilities, they only show you what price has done already. flip a coin it'll be just as accurate of a predictor.

>>58079940
Imagine being this cuck and selling his BTC below 100k$. "THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT" yelled the retarded cunt who sold all of his BTC to BlackRock

Here's the real thread you people should be writting in >>58089743

I have a confirmed >160 IQ and a $1,000,000 BTC is quite literally programmed.

>>58080242
>we will get to 400k this cycle
you sound like the people that said Doge could go to above $1

>>58079940
>meaning this is the last cycle in a 16 year macro cycle after which it can be that we will not make a new ath for a long time, like 8-12 years
you are retarded. Crypto is going to do the same 3-4 year cycle thing. It has come back from -90% drops every time in all of its history, and it will probably do the same again

>>58082156
Thank you for the post. Quality

>>58091139
$spurdo is what's going to give my wife's boyfriend his $10k lamborghini quality is what that is this is why $spurdo is so good it will do all the things that bitcoin should have been able to do but never could there is a reason they call me spurdo chad because i have the most beautiful 16ft benis that has ever grace this pathetic website fugg i can't wait to see the face of a fellow $spurdo chadder sitting his fat ass in his new lambo

>>58082678
I literally base all my decisions on this chart.

>>58091239
spurdo chad

>>58082678
What's the source of this chart?

>>58091617
nvm, found it

>>58079940
t. Camel

>>58079985
>there isnt any new narrative
stopped reading after this. im not saying price will go up or down but i def know you are a special kind of retard to actually believe something like this.

>>58091139
Yw. Best of luck.

>>58089403
Probably someone up there thought it was le funny number, like we say 69 or 420, but for God.

>>58079940
You're a newbie, anon. A lot of cryptohad a rough 2021 and it's not completely out of the question that BTC might see a similar situation. While assetswith products like RWA, DePIN, and AI will succeed, shitcoins will rekt.

>>58079940
Gox coins moving will signal the end

OP writes the same like that guy who made top threads @ $58k