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>>57800334
First to dab on the poorfag bagholders of this ghostchain

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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

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Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

>>57800334
>D-did you just say you want your coin to keep up with inflation?
>MOONFAGGOT!! Y-YOU'RE A MOONFAGGOT
>WE'RE IN IT FOR LE TECH
>what do you mean central bankers are debasing fiat money by 15% YoY and XMR isn't keeping up?
>FUCK OFF MOONBOY
>GETTING BANNED FROM CEX IS LE GOOD
>SHUTTING DOWN ONRAMPS IS AKSHUALLY LE GOOD
>LE CIRCULAR ECOONOMY
>BEING USED BY FENTANYL ADDICTS IS AKSHUALLY A BIGGER ACHIEVEMENT THAN WALLSTREET ADOPTION C-CHUDS

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
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>Monero-only bullion shop
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http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

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or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.


>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total BTC = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings BTC would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per BTC and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

>>57800403
>Monero is not an investment, it's sound money.
>It's digital freedom which allows you to to keep your assets in an unconfiscatable form. That's what makes it so good dude.
>The price going down is actually a good thing. It proves that we are not only in it to make money unlike those distasteful bitfucks.
>You're supposed to keep your assets in permissioned and inflatable cash and anytime you need to buy some drugs on le deep web, you use Monero and then quickly dump any extra coins you have, because we are not diamond handed moonboys.
>No hodling allowed! Did I mention we are not in it for the money? Let the normies make profits. Let the hedgies make profits. But we are better than that. We have a vision where everyone can be their own bank. But again, don't hold Monero. Only buy it and spend it and get back into USD as soon as possible.

>PRESERVING YOUR WEALTH IS LE SPECULATION AND SPECULATION IS ... LE BAD BECAUSE.. IT JUST IS OK???

And as far as the laser-eyed retards in here that keep trying to help us get rich with BTC, I'll just repost this:

Maxipads are wonderfully stupid:

- they actually believe BTC's insane price action is a reflection of organic market forces
- they hoard their coins en masse while simultaneously expecting a healthy circular economy to magically emerge
- they actually believe there is enough liquidity in this zero-sum clown market for them all to cash out at a fat profit
- they take Mike Saylor seriously

Just indulge their retarded takes and continue encouraging them to hoard their coins, let nature take its course.

>>57800403
>Monero is not an investment, it's sound money.
>It's digital freedom which allows you to to keep your assets in an unconfiscatable form. That's what makes it so good dude.
>The price going down is actually a good thing. It proves that we are not only in it to make money unlike those distasteful bitfucks.
>You're supposed to keep your assets in permissioned and inflatable cash and anytime you need to buy some drugs on le deep web, you use Monero and then quickly dump any extra coins you have, because we are not diamond handed moonboys.
>No hodling allowed! Did I mention we are not in it for the money? Let the normies make profits. Let the hedgies make profits. But we are better than that. We have a vision where everyone can be their own bank. But again, don't hold Monero. Only buy it and spend it and get back into USD as soon as possible.

Mo negroes: I am pleased to report that I have finally managed to reach my goal stack, and am now looking for muh diversification and gambling.
Do you have any recommendations? Anything I should look into? So far I've been buying random abject retard nigger animal shitcoins on Solana. pic related

>>57800409
>>57800432
Monero is fungible. Bitcoin is not fungible. The reason Bitcoin is going up is because its buyers are subhuman retards who haven't yet realized this fact. At some point in the future this will change.

>>57800469
Ayo bitcoin is an nft? No cap my nigga? Shiieet i'm selling all my bags to buy monero. Oh wait all onramps are closed AHAHHAAHAHAHA

>>57800475
I just bought Monero to complete my stack, as seen in
>>57800449
And I had zero trouble doing so. Acquiring Monero is very easy.

>>57800491
Thanks for buying my bags.

>>57800495
You sold after the dump? That was not very smart. I bought after the dump, and am now up. Is this why you are so aggressive?

>>57800508
Bought the dip and just unloaded my bags.

>how can I infinitely mint coins and dump it on bagholders?
>I know! I'll make every transaction anonymous
>that way I'll be able to dump it forever and no one will ask questions
honestly props to devs, this has to be longest crypto scam in history

>>57800511
Oh well, that's better. I hope you made a nice profit!

lol that anon is seething and making threads and repeated shitposts all about Monero. kind of sad. I hope he is ok.

I'm Satoshi

>>57800608
wagmi

>>57800527
>lol that anon is seething and making threads and repeated shitposts all about Monero. kind of sad. I hope he is ok.

its classic cognitive dissonance, by trying to convince us he's right he's actually trying to convince himself that his moronic moons & lambo fantasy somehow has a shot at coming true.

>Cognitive dissonance is the unpleasant mental conflict that occurs for an individual when assumptions or beliefs are contradicted by new information. It can lead to irrational decision making as a person tries to reconcile their conflicting beliefs. It can also be relieved by defense mechanisms like rejecting the claim, explaining it away, or avoiding the new information all together.

Deep down he's terrified he's actually wrong about BTC, witnessing the myriad examples of Monero continuously overtaking BTC out in the real world is clearly giving the poor fella some serious anxiety.

>>57800649
>Deep down he's terrified he's actually wrong about BTC, witnessing the myriad examples of Monero continuously overtaking BTC out in the real world is clearly giving the poor fella some serious anxiety.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA @ THIS LEVELS OF DELUSION

>>57800625

>>57800757

Your insecurity is palpable, kid. Try not caring so much.

>>57800757
This is a fairly chill community/thread when the hysterical autistic anti-moonfag guy isn't spamming the thread, driving away newfags.
If you have any questions or concerns about XMR you can just ask, you know? No need to be this edgy.

>>57800938
Do atomic swaps work bidirectional yet?

>>57801014
No.

Hashrate is dumping back to early 2021 bros...

>>57800938
>fairly chill community/thread
>anti-moonfag guy
Sure, he could be less hysterical about it, but price discussion tends to overwhelm all other technological topics - just look at any other crypto "community." After price discussion, like a virus, becomes the dominant focus, irrational, negative market forces can unreasonably jeopardize community confidence in a project.

I mean - the guy to whom you've replied is a great example of the price-hyperfixation that hijacked the Bitcoin community.

>>57800938
Just wanted to humble this general since it becomes an echo chamber of retards when there isn't a maxi here to bring everyone down to earth. I've looked into it out of curiosity the past week (I have a small stack of it) and it's nothing but r/buttcoin 2017 tier fud about bitcoin.
>muh tether fud, muh scalability fud, muh green energy fud, etc etc
It's lacking the high IQ discussions I would've expected from this coin and it's just midwits sucking each other off about le darknet drugs while bleeding value. "In it for the tech" is just sourgrapes cope at this point.
You know, iron sharpens iron. All my arguments are valid and it's up to those who believe in this coin to do something about it or just continue to fade towards irrelevance.

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Isn't monero and bitcoin kind of useless until multiple SP500 companies like walmart amazon google bank of america and JPmorgan chase are bankrupt? They are kind of the final enemy of peer to peer economies. I think we need NYCB to go under to start another bank crash cycle.

>>57801286
Have you watched the presentations by Daniel Kim? If no, watch them.

Monero: Sound Money, Safe Mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4

Behavioural Finance, Cryptocurrency Markets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REC5V7d3pqM

The second presentation might be of more interest to you as it specifically concerns the price action of money versus competing projects, though the presenter assumes you've watched the first presentation... First.

>>57801351
Price action of Monero*

>>57801286
>All my arguments are valid
You haven't posted anything but retarded shitposts. Anons in the previous xmr general thread got your "arguments" ass-blasted.

Thanks for the bumps tho

>>57801172
diva.exchange works fine btc/xmr through i2p

>>57800938
>driving away newfags
Any newfags that are turned off by the lack of price talk are exactly the type of hoarders Monero doesnt need. Fuck em.

>>57801014
Bidirectional swaps are unnecessary and potentially dangerous, you always want the BTC to move first so you can check for taint before committing to the swap.

Show some love to a fellow pirate and XMRChad. Captain Blackbeard presents episode 19: Captain Blackbeard VS George Soros!
The finest sounds around from the underground!
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>>57801269
My thoughts exactly. Moonfagging brings nothing positive to the table, its not like dwelling on the price will drive it up. These generals are held in such high regard by /biz/raelis precisely because we are "fundamentals first, price is secondary". Monero wins by being useful to non-investors, not by appealling to mongoloid degens who simply dont care about anything other than getting their bags pumped.

>>57800356
Get a life, dude.

>>57801286
Your "arguments" are dogshit and dont directly address the obvious reality that BTC is manipulated up the ass and is therefore greatly overvalued. Monero is backed by the sum of all shady online business, which makes it a more reliable asset in the long run.

>>57800449
Do you have PMs already?

>>57800334
Bitcoiners have had their addresses doxxed, leaving them unable to use their own coins. Rather than reassessing the flawed beliefs that brought them to this situation, they're trying to cope by focusing on Monero, the only cryptocurrency unaffected by such issues.

Keep expanding the circular economies XMR Chads. If Wall Street's coiners are mad, we're doing something right.

>>57801969
what does this ritual summon

>>57801980
Monerochan supremacy.

Y helo ther

>>57802336
>Y helo ther
sgvn4n

>>57801286
When was the last time you paid for something with BTC in an on chain transaction? I buy and sell things with XMR every month. BTC is better for line go up and I hold some myself to try and time the market, but as an actual CURRENCY it lost to Monero a long time ago.

Maxipads are going full-throttle faggotry lately, check the previous threads too. We're obviously doing things right. Keep stealing users away from their useless wallstreetcoin and welcome them to our actual grassroots economy. Fuck the KYCuck exchanges and the wallstreet-wannabe blockstreamcoin arrow-betters.

>>57801286
>I wanted to humble this general since it becomes an echo chamber of retards when there isn't a maxi here to bring everyone down to earth. I've looked into it out of curiosity the past week (I have a small stack of it) and it's nothing but r/buttcoin 2017 tier fud about bitcoin.

Maxis are the definition of midwits, you never respond to the facts on how bitcoin always knees to the system, be it every exchange having kyc removing the nature of peer to peer money, the fact nation states and private companys profit from your transaction history, wanting to coexist with the state and askinf for regulations for numbers go up, paying capital gains tax for selling your crypto on an exchange, for real satoshi would be dissapointed with you because most maxis are cucks, you are all cucks and in the end the little guy is the guy that geta hurt by your decisions. Satoshi wanted privacy on the bitcoin base layer but it didn't happen. Bitcoin maxis are simply cucks, yeah monero maxis could be midwits but we aren't cucks in fact we got banned and we are carving our own space while bitcoin maxis beg for regulations for my numbers go up because there is no reason to use bitcoin because it sucks as money its only good as a ponzi scheme to Atract more retards here th the bitcoin etf. So basically yes repeat after me, bitcoin maxis are cucks.

Now monerochads are free from the state and from taxes, it will get better when cbdcs come, the psychic collective energy that boosts bitcoin today will be the same psyquic energy that will boost xmr tomorrow and in the long run if bitcoin fails to be actually used as money because muh NFTs bros made the chain unuusable people will simply use the better fungible digital money which is monero.

>>57802727
Bought a course with Bitcoin just 3 weeks ago. Paid $70 and had a $2 fee. Mainnet, not Lightning Network.

>>57802909
>Keep stealing users away
oh how naive

>>57802928
You're not carving shit you're fading into irrelevancy and bleeding value. You have one of the lowest volume among all other shitcoins. Not even your maxis want to hold your shit token. Check yourself lil nigga

>>57803357
>Mainnet, not Lightning Network.
You didn't have to clarify, we already know LN doesn't work.

>>57803503
I know it doesn't. it may or may not in the future. But LN payments are the least of my worries about Bitcoin. I don't plan to use it "to pay for le starbucks drink!!!". I use it like I use gold.

>>57801934
>Bitcoiners have had their addresses doxxed, leaving them unable to use their own coins
Explain for a newfag. Why would someone knowing your address leave you unable to use their own coins?

>>57803389
>proves he is a cuck by ignoring all the facts on why bitcoin maxis cucked to the system
>bruh laser eyes bruh lambos we going to the moon
>capital gains tax + bitcoin fees for merely a 10% gain
>bitcoinMaxi cuck seethes over the fact monero wasn't crushed by binance delisting

Moneros transactions rise every year who the fuck cares if people use dogecoin in the end at least doge is more usable than bitcoin, i used bitcoin in el zonte and fuck bitcoin and i do fucking regret believing bitcoin maxis dreams were more than a nothingburger because your coin is fucking dogshit at what its supposed to do which is peer to peer money, you are cucks and the hype people have for bitcoin is going to monero because bitcoins effect is buyers remorse monero is simply better digital cash.

Bitcoiners seething because they don't have a mascot this cute. All they have is a cringe fat golem.

>>57803588
>capital gains tax
I'm never selling nigga, unlike you.

>>57803625
>not using free money

i am not going to wait till i am 60 grandpa stay a virgin but you will be a millionaire when you have gray hair!

>>57803538
>>57803625
>not planning on buying things with bitcoin
>not planning on selling bitcoin for profit
so is bitcoin a findom thing to you or something? like a cuck cage for your bank account?

>>57803731
>not planning on buying things with Gold
>not planning on buying things with NVDA
>not planning on buying thins with S&P 500
this must be a revolutionary concept to you. Money literally only exists to be exchanged and NOTHING ELSE. I know you're buckbroken to hell and back from the fiat system we live in but just think in the big picture and stop being a consoomerist faggot.

>>57803370
Please stay as you are. Change nothing.

>>57801269
>but price discussion tends to overwhelm all other technological topics
This. It's worth to always make fun of it. It needs to be done. I checked some telegrams of other privacy-related projects and even there it's mostly about the price.

>>57801286
>All my arguments are valid
>mathematically incorrect statements get pointed out but are never addressed
The previous thread was so bad I almost think it's a Monero-chad trolling.

The silver coin schizos, GME turds, and monero maxis should combine their generals into one where they all pretend it was never about the gains

>>57803758
>>not planning on buying things with Gold
bitcoin isn't gold.
>>not planning on buying things with NVDA
>>not planning on buying thins with S&P 500
bitcoin isn't a share of a company.
>Money literally only exists to be exchanged and NOTHING ELSE.
bitcoin isn't money.

so what exactly is your point? are you aping into bitcoin because you missed out on beanie babies?

>>57803973
It usually is lol

>>57804252
XMR community are all just nocoiners now lol

>>57801269
>price discussion tends to overwhelm all other technological topics

Yep. Moonfaggotry is a cancer that will metastasize rapidly if you don't nip it in the bud. Just take a look at the current state of Zcash discourse, its 90%+ price and moon talk.

>>57801286
>an echo chamber of retards when there isn't a maxi here to bring everyone down to earth

Because maxipads have historically proven themselves to be paragons of reason.

>>57801325
>Isn't monero and bitcoin kind of useless until multiple SP500 companies like walmart amazon google bank of america and JPmorgan chase are bankrupt?

Nope. You can spend XMR on black and grey markets right now.

>>57804545
This. So Much This!!!
If you don't want your coin and wealth to go to zero you ain't a true Monerochad, am I right XMRsissies?
Thank Fauci there's still some intelligent people among us.

>>57803538
>I don't plan to use it

That's all that matters. Keep that shit locked away in cold storage and spend XMR.

>>57803625
>I'm never selling nigga, unlike you.

Based!

>>57804633
Sorry I don't plan on buying fentanyl. And my utility bills can only be paid in fiat. Guess I'm stuck putting the rest in an appreciating asset for long term saving instead

>>57803758
>>not planning on buying things with Gold
Gold is valuable for its chemical properties.

>>not planning on buying things with NVDA
Productive asset with value pegged to actual economic activity, unlike Bitcoin.

>>not planning on buying thins with S&P 500
Productive asset with value pegged to actual economic activity, unlike Bitcoin.

You're comparing apples & oranges there, bub.

>>57804704
Am I talking to a XMR fan or a nocoiner? You know every single one of those fud points applies to Monero, in fact it's even worse for you

monero does what bitcoin't

>>57804740

So true! We are so early! We are so moon!

>>57804664
>Guess I'm stuck putting the rest in an appreciating asset for long term saving instead

>Nobody actually uses it
>Will continue appreciating over the long-term

Sheer genius.

>>57804809
>The XMR tranny is a pajeet BBC poster
Lmao
Is this the high IQ monero community?

>>57804789
>>57804787
>>57804266
>>57803973

monero sissies, here's your based fellow monerochads: they're bbcposting cuck trannies. >>57804809

>>57804855
So much this! I am literally crying right now! We are so back!

>>57804740
>Am I talking to a XMR fan or a nocoiner? You know every single one of those fud points applies to Monero, in fact it's even worse for you

lol what do you think demand for XMR as a medium of exchange in black/grey markets counts as, wetbrain?

100% of speculative demand for XMR could evaporate tomorrow and Monero would survive simply because its increasingly required for doing business.

Now try that with BTC or anything else in this clown market and watch what happens.

It's time to go after the bitcoiners.

>>57804839
>>>The XMR tranny is a pajeet BBC poster

Wasn't I supposed to be Mexican?

I rest my case here. I knew I was talking to a pajeet just because of the low IQ responses. I don't have to prove anything else, a shitskin jeet posting interracial cuck fetishism with white women is your biggest poster ITT. Explains this general desu. See ya later faggots.

>>57804915

Wait, that's all we had to do to get rid of this faggot?! Post moar jeets!

>>57804915
>don't have to prove
So true sister! We just have to HODL!

>>57804938
You just need to stop posting or at least quoting him. Please spare us the jeets.

>>57804979

$327K? Why so bearish?

>>57804915
>low IQ responses
says the guy incapable of understanding he's arguing apples to oranges every thread. thanks for the bumps, fucko.

>>57805002

Yeah, I know, its low-hanging fruit and mocking laser-eyed retards requires little effort.

monerlets seething atm

What's with obnoxious FUD spam right after the binance delisting?

>>57805932
Feds are seething because XMR didn't go to zero or lose its prominence in black markets.

>>57806593
I mainly want to avoid taxes. Had a very bad experience back in 2018 and barely squeaked by before faggot Trump banned like-kind exchanges. Is XMR + DEX viable for keeping the money grubbing kikes away from day trading gains?

>>57806718
If your gains are big enough yeah. There's still more slippage than CEXes just by nature.

>>57806718
>>57806724
Redpill me on DEX.

>>57806742

>>57806724
My main wallets is compromised. Declared trades with that address with etherscan data on that tax return. Am I safe if I just convert everything that's left in it into XMR? Plausible deniability is still a thing right?

For all glowniggers monitoring, I am a hacker playing 4d chess trying to compromise the guy I hacked.

>>57806742
>Redpill me on DEX.
you and me both. dormant oldfag trying to get back into it.

>>57806755
toot

>>57806742
>>57806805
DEXes have some underlying software like liquidity pools or an automated market maker that lets them connect buyers and sellers. The downside is size - you have less liquidity because most crypto buyers and sellers are still on CEXes. Usually there's a web interface or some downloadable application for a GUI so you don't need to manually generate transactions with a CLI or anything. Bisq is the classic BTC-centric DEX that runs over Tor. SeraiDEX is a better DEX coming soon that doesn't run *on* Monero but has first class support *for* Monero. Testnet launch is in a few days. BasicswapDEX is also coming soon based on atomic swaps.

>>57806781
For that you'd want an atomic swap so there's no record. Say you spent the ETH on hookers or something.

>>57806805
As I understand it's a liquidity pool swap type system. Price goes up when someone buys, goes does when someone sells.

>>57806781
>Am I safe if I just convert everything that's left in it into XMR? Plausible deniability is still a thing right?
Yes, you could have just lost the access to your keys after converting to XMR. Or typed the wrong address when making the transaction and burnt all the funds. All in Minecraft, of course.

>>57806834
>Testnet launch is in a few days.
I've heard somewhere that Serai nodes would have to run BTC, ETH and XMR nodes. Is it still accurate or could you just run one of them to provide liquidity in that coin?

>>57806866
You're heavily encouraged to run all three. I'm going to need to buy another SSD for my node.

>>57806871
I'm still confused about the different levels of participation you can have in the protocol. Can you just run a node and be a liquidity provider without being a member of the multisig that stores the funds?

>>57806834
>atomic swap
Thanks. I read about this tech a year ago and had a "holy shit" moment in terms of the possibilities. I am a dev by trade and a math major in college. After sperging out on it for a few of hours, it still seemed like magic. This is the shit I love about crypto.

>>57806939
I think so, but you should probably ask Kayaba on the discord. (Yes, yes, it's terrible, I don't know why crypto is allergic to IRC.)

>Why speculation is stupid

Suppose you want to bet on bitcoin. Everything that will happen that could impact bitcoin’s price is already priced it. The halving? The bitcoin ETF? All of that has already been accounted for in bitcoin’s current price. The only way bitcoin’s price can go up is if people are more excited about it tomorrow then today in a way that hasn’t already been accounted for by all the people already betting bitcoin will go up.

But let’s suppose you are right. Suppose it does go up and you make $10,000. Then you’ve won, right?

Wrong.

Your money is still in bitcoin. This means if any of the irrational hype ever exits the ecosystem, which it will because hype requires a lot of energy to maintain, you’ll still lose your investment. Furthermore, you personally will not sell. The same psychology that motivated you to speculate in the first place forces you to keep skin in the game when the price goes up, because the fact that you made money, plus the fact that there is even more hype now then when you invested based on hype which had not yet materialized, will keep you in. The winners will be the people who don’t invest on the belief in future hype, who dump their bags because they see the current price is speculative. However, you personally will lose money, speculator. The un-priced in hype you bet would appear will convince you that the hype in bitcoin will continue to grow forever until you get slapped across the face when the market finally corrects itself.

In fact, the current price of bitcoin depends upon you speculating investors not collectively cashing out. The only way your speculation works out in even the short term is if the vast majority of you keep money in the game until you lose more then you put in. If and when a minority of you tries to take profits the market will crash, and statistically, you will be in the majority by the definition of the word majority

This is why speculation is stupid.

>>57803758
Are you legitimately special needs?

>>57803919
Literally every other crypto community fixates on price action, even when they talk about tech its in the context of invoking it to entice more investors.

>>57804658
kek I'm digging this psyop

>>57805932
There's always fud spam. Maybe more recently but its constant.

>>57806950
There was a lot of hype for the OG atomic swaps project called Farcaster. Anybody know why it never delivered?

If you don't give them (You)s they don't get paid and starve.
With (You)s you are very literally feeding the trolls.

feels good

>>57806952
Because they’re non technical midwits who think they’re technical geniuses. Discord is not a place for serious discussion. It’s for pedophiles to stalk children.

>>57807709
Either that or they're ESL fuckwads on Telegram.

>>57801568
>These generals are held in such high regard by /biz/raelis
Dead bagholder general held in high regard? You must be joking lmao

Discord is proprietary, do not use.

>>57806958
never ever read such a cope

>>57808013
like never, I have to stress this

>>57807709
>Because they’re non technical midwits who think they’re technical geniuses.
>>57807858
>Discord is proprietary, do not use.
I will install IRC despite the fact that I haven't used it since Windows 98 when I was 12. But how do I find a legit discussion group?

>>57808214
>But how do I find a legit discussion group?
Rizon is weebs (it's where the 4chan mod channel is), LiberaNet and OFTC are where FOSS projects live. You might also need to install a Matrix client as that's the newest open protocol that's got more slack/discord like features.

>>57803973
Well it aint me!

>>57808214
Maybe try >>57801297 but last time I checked it was empty.

>>57805109
>monerlets
>not monlets
you were so close

>>57808914
monitos

Tried to trade, lost 4 xmr, very sad.

>>57809285
Actually wanna kill myself.

>>57809361
Pls don't, anon. Christ loves you.
Post XMR address.

>>57809717
On my mobile. Thx anon. Christ is king: 86GoSWouZ75PoEdpvtbKdAXgf3eE62hE3FBvEC7ArkWiekcH59FVJuucuwMKRhc7dedgxNuxcGsUS253U9cwFhQRBZ9MLRx

>>57809717
NAHHH I CANT BELIVE YOURE FALLING FOR THAT

>>57809717

Send 21 BTC and I will give you a special gift: 1BdWBy92PQ59HQ5VXQYytTbUqY8UBo6DDS

>>57809717
On my mobile. Thx anon. Christ is king: 86GoSWouZ75PoEdpvtbKdAXgf3eE62hE3FBvEC7ArkWiekcH59FVJuucuwMKRhc7dedgxNuxcGsUS253U9cwFhQRBZ9MLRx

Btw jannies are deleting the xmr address I am posting but leaving the bitshitbeggar's addres... Hmmmmm....

>>57806958
you're 85 IQ at most

EYES ON THE PRIZE

> SERAPHIS
> JAMTIS
> FULL MEMBERSHIP PROOFS

MONERO IS THE FINAL SOLUTION TO THE TAXMAN QUESTION.

I'm Satoshi

>>57810167
Projecting much degenerate. XD
99.9% of speculators lose money.
Becuse the owners of bitcoin determine when to cash out first.

We finally repegged our $150 stablecoin!

Shame on you, zamnesia.

1 XMR = 1 virgin wife after the reset

>>57800334
>ewww Stacey why are they so proud of holding a PEDO coin??
>i dunno Tracey, like seriously give me the ICK
>anyway let's get back to sucking Mikey!

practice self love

don't give in to demonic energies, these include, white women and faggots

hold your xmr with righteous fury, smite all evil

>>57811510
>We finally repegged our $150 stablecoin!

Anybody who actually believed that the black market's currency of choice would crash and never recover is literally brain damaged. There's just too much demand for XMR as a utility for it to die like that, regardless of how difficult it may be to acquire.

And lol at our resident maxipad demoralization troll who was gleefully predicting sub-100 doom & gloom. No dice, faggot. Maybe Tether can cheer you up with another totally organic BTC pump to $70K hahaha

Tether? More like seether.

>>57812386
fent addicts don't constitute demand ranjesh

>>57812462
Actually, I don't know how tether is pronounced but for me it rhymes with seether.

>>57812473
>fent addicts don't constitute demand ranjesh

See, this is called "moving the goalposts". Not too long ago those fent addicts were using Bitcoin....and now they're not. What happened?

The spice (fentanyl) must flow.

>>57804594
I know. But we need some disaster to break down TPTB. Imagine several publicly traded retail outlets going into deep recession or china cutting off trade of goods, or google data centers losing power causing their surveillance tools to stop working. Monero would start replacing USD trade at that point. We need more debt instability and banks going under to get more adoption.

>>57811510
>We finally repegged
what?!
stop the pump!

>>57812864
>fentanyl

Monero has memetically been associated more with cocaine than anything else due to XMR actually being used in transatlantic coke shipments.

>>57813057
too bad monerochuds are too poor to afford crack cocaine and have to settle for fentanyl

>>57813057
if xmr is good for them, then it's good for me
simple as
comfy

>>57813079
>too bad monerochuds are too poor to afford crack cocaine and have to settle for fentanyl

Yes, we can't all be fabulously successful millionaires like you lol

>>57813130

The Mob doesn't fuck around with inferior tech that could get them 25 to life.

there should be monero movies and series
starring monerochan
somebody with capabilities start working on the first one asap
we'll contribute funding

>>57813342
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1709481205096752.webm

>>57810695
Future belongs to the XMR DEXes:

> haveno.exchange
> serai.exchange
> basicswapdex.com
> samourai swaps

>>57813342
>there should be monero movies and series
>starring monerochan

Monero-chan anime where she travels the world assassinating those that have it coming.

Monero is so comfy. I haven't used my debit card in ages, and my cash way less.

>>57811560
baka. dutchies should know better
zamnesia is based, but they gave up on bitcanna eh? kekd

Share your best recipes.

>>57815869
Here's a classic, a practically ancient recipe. For sake of ease- use a slow cooker.

Ingredients:
>Beef Chuck (rib or strip also work but chuck is cheapest) ideally a single large piece 2lb+
>potatoes
>carrots
>onions
>garlic
>salt&pepper
>red wine

Wash and chop all of the vegetables to roughly the same size
coat the beef in salt and pepper, then sear it on all sides until it has a nice "crust" on all sides.
Place the beef in the bottom of the pot, then place all of the vegetables on top of it.
pour a bit of red wine into the still hot pan, swirl it around a bit to loosen up what the beef left behind on the pan, then pour that into the slow cooker.
Cover, set to medium heat and check back in 3 to 5 hours (depending on how disintegrated you want all of the beef fat and connective tissues)

>>57816898
very comfy thanks anon

Bitcoin is the mediocre tax accountant paying 40 tk 50% of all his salary in taxes

Monero is the new kid in Town that became rich selling off drugs and fucked all the available woman including bitcoins wife

The usa became rich with the opium wars and teddy Roosevelt was the grandchild of drug dealers

love yourself

>>57815869
No fumo guro!

So what happens in May when Binance disables Monero withdrawals. Are they going to sell Monero for USDT? Will the price go up or down?

>>57818734
amon what happens when supply increases and demand is assumed to stay the same again?

>>57818734
Nothing. Everyone who was paying attention got out on the bounce in January, and all the retards got shaken out last month. I wouldn't be shocked if Binance already got rid of their XMR holdings.

I see fiat pair liquidity issues in our future.

>>57819214
That's why BTC, LTC, ETH atomic swaps are in the works.

>>57819230
yeah I've been hearing that those are "just around the corner" for 3 fucking years now.

>>57819301
2 more weeks before your investment makes any financial return t.insider

>>57819313
Thank you, insider. I don't know what we'd do without you!

I'm Satoshi

>>57815869
MODS

>>57803552
monero people are mentally ill so they imagine situations that aren't real, such as the blockchain somehow storing real names, that coinjoins doesn't exist, that address reuse isn't avoided, etc

>>57819504
already happened
tainted coins are banned by offramps
you have to pay the government a fee to detaint your sats

>>57803552
Funds in your wallet might be tainted (in the database of authorities). Exchanges might seize them if you transfer them there.

>>57804884
something that loses value over time isn't desirable money, monero is used only so that people can get rid of it, not because they want to hold it, to save safely, or to use later, because monero is a bad store of value, bad money, and bad money never becomes real money

>>57819521
monero is 100% tainted by default and there's no way to detaint it, if you want to go that stupid route

>>57819610
If exchange considers Monero tainted, it doesn't trade it. So you won't run into situation when your funds are suddenly seized.

>>57819592
>something that loses value over time isn't desirable money, monero is used only so that people can get rid of it, not because they want to hold it, to save safely, or to use later, because monero is a bad store of value, bad money, and bad money never becomes real money

Monero is used because it does what Bitcoin can't: transfer value cheaply with guaranteed censorship resistance and zero fungibility headaches.

You can keep calling XMR "bad money" until you're blue in the face, its not going to change the current trend of Bitcoin abandonment.

Even Bitcoin-oriented clearnet businesses are now being overtaken by XMR. Go cry about it to Mike Saylor.

>>57815869
We stand against Monero-chan abuse!

Tether has just printed another $1.2 billion USDT and is inching towards $100 billion USDT issued in total, BTC to $70K confirmed!

>>57820522
So when does XMR hit $400 again?

>>57820561
>So when does XMR hit $400 again?

Next Thursday.

>>57819592
>because monero is a bad store of value, bad money, and bad money never becomes real money
that must be why monero continues to erode bitcoin's share of markets that rely on traits of good money... like fungibility.

>>57819761
>Go cry about it to Mike Saylor.
Saylor has taken the moneropill
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ccJ33hLaMF0

>>57820570
Can you explain how Monero losing value is actually a good thing?

>>57820804
Can you explain how fiat is value?

>>57820804
>Can you explain how Monero losing value is actually a good thing?

Losing OR gaining "value" in a highly irrational, demonstrably manipulated clown market doesn't mean much.

The one metric that does is actual utilization as a medium of exchange in a real-world economy, and in that regard Monero is doing very well.

>>57820984
But Bitcoin and other shitcoins are doing much better in that regard. If Monero were more valuable than Bitcoin, people would be using Monero to make purchases instead. I just don't understand the "anti-moon" sentiment here on /biz/.

>>57821036
>If Monero were more valuable than Bitcoin, people would be using Monero to make purchases instead.
Monero has killed BTC stone dead on the dark web and is in fact being used for p2p small purchases that BTC fees render infeasible. People in these threads sell things on MONEROMARKET.IO or other sites and others buy them.

>>57821073
not to mention that it takes 2-3 hours for a bitcoin transaction
monero takes about 1 minute

>>57821036
>Bitcoin and other shitcoins are doing much better in that regard.

Uh, no.

>If Monero were more valuable than Bitcoin, people would be using Monero to make purchases instead.

Is that how you use cash? You wait for it to increase in value before spending it? lmao

>I just don't understand the "anti-moon" sentiment here on /biz/.

/biz/ is ALL about moons & lambos. /XMR/ Monero Generals are the rare exception, we focus on tech, circular economies and enraging glowies.

>>57821073
Moneromarket is literally the only site that allows you to purchase goods from others and there are maybe 1000 listings worldwide. Most of it is junk, overpriced or a scam. This is never going to get better until Monero gains greater adoption. More adoption requires a more valuable coin.

>>57821134
I use cash to buy actual products because people actually use cash.

>>57821222
>More adoption requires a more valuable coin.
>I use cash to buy actual products because people actually use cash.

Cash actually decreases in value over time yet you and everybody else spends it regardless.

>>57821222
this is possibly one of the dumbest, most uninformed posts I've had the displeasure of reading on this godforsaken website. there's no way this isn't bait.

>>57821295
Monero doesn't share that quality because Monero has not achieved mass market adoption.

>>57821344
Concession accepted.

>>57821344
I think he's actually just retarded. Ignoring the BTCPayServer and WooCommerce support for Monero means he isn't even vaguely paying attention.

So is the plan to sell all our BTC for XMR at the top of the bull run?

>>57801567
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4) Sneed & feed the captain's radio Finest Sounds From The Underground!

>>57820522
This is getting ridiculous.

>>57824119
>>57820522
Will XMR price crash too when it all finally collapses? Hoping to slurp some more Moneros.

>>57804594
This. You can buy/sell digital art, garden tools, clothing, cars and even cash.
>>57812562
John Oliver did a segment about monero? Anyone have a link?

>>57824519
never mind i found the video.
"Ransomware: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)" on youtube

Would you guys trust tradeogre with a 200K trade? Not even sure if they have enough XMR. My funds I want to trade are clean.

>>57825080
Bad idea but not horrible. There isn't that much liquidity. I'd personally split some of that up between different non-kyc exchanges. Bisq has treated me well. Even then you will need to trade over a couple of days if you want a good price.

>>57825080
ive seen 500k-1 million USD buy-orders before, you should be fine.

they also have market makers that do just-in-time liquidity which doesn't show up on the orderbook but will fill massive positions in an instant.

>>57800475
The second copy-pasta is a lost of xmr on/off ramps.
You have got be the biggest largest blackest gorilla to have ever been born

should've bought dog coins

Monero itself could be some form of darknet equities so why it hasn't happened before

>>57821668
>Monero doesn't share that quality because Monero has not achieved mass market adoption.

lol you maxitards really love moving them goalposts, huh?

Rome wasn't built in a day, midwit.

>>57824119
>This is getting ridiculous.

Its an endlessly entertaining clown show as long as you're not holding BTC. Imagine putting your life savings into something so obviously fraudulent lol

>>57824479
>Will XMR price crash too when it all finally collapses? Hoping to slurp some more Moneros.

Probably, that's what usually happens when panic selling kicks in.

However, if awareness of XMR as a legit safe haven backed by cocaine is high enough by then, you might actually see mass flight into it.

I'm Satoshi

>>57820804
Holding a currency is bad for the entire economy, with a small inflation people will either lose a small portion of their money value or they spend their money (what boosts the entire economy) and buy new coins. That kind of inflation is distributed between miners and therefore available for everyone who's willing to help securing the network.

>>57822635
>there are plugins for wordpress...
>but nobody is using them
I'm paying attention so hard right now

>>57827519
It's a fact. There are no goal posts involved.

>>57827839
So Monero pretty much doesn't stand a chance

>>57828060
>So Monero pretty much doesn't stand a chance
Why?

>>57828158

Pay no mind, he's a little slow on the uptake.

>>57828312
I'd love to uptake Monero, but nobody accepts it as currency.

>>57828312
I just don't see logic in what he says, he's basically just posting empty meaningless standard phrases without any meaningful argument to back up his point

>>57828333
Shitty bait.

>>57828375
I accept your concession

kek monero baggies missing another bullrun. Lemao. How it feels getting outperformed by XRP of all coins?

>>57828506
>kek monero baggies missing another bullrun. Lemao. How it feels getting outperformed by XRP of all coins?

Yes, we have noticed Tether has fired up the printer again. No, we're not impressed.

>>57828369
>he's basically just posting empty meaningless standard phrases without any meaningful argument to back up his point

i.e. your average maxitard

>>57828981
>>57828404

>>57829090

Yes. Now go enjoy the face melting pump with your fellow future millionaires, we're very busy having fun staying poor.

Monero is just too based. Cryptobros don't deserve it.

>>57828404
Even shittier bait.

the question is if normies will ever wake up and realize that monero is everything that they think buttcoin does. normie retards don't think that bitcoin is tracable, and they have no hope of understanding sats can be tainted... until it effects them.

sadly, all they care about is getting rich quick, not undermining the (((central bank system)))

>>57830496
All it takes is one solid story/narrative running through the news cycle or normoid entertainment. As the latter is controlled, we'll have to wait for the former.

>>57830496
Let em figure it out the hard way.

MONEROMARKET.IO

>>57830496
normies care about line goes up lol
nobody gives a shit about fundamentals as it has been proved with the defi shitcoins explosion last run
monero won't budge whatsoever ever

>>57831127

lol so:

- you admit the market is completely detached from fundamentals-based reality
- you also expect us to take the market seriously.

Confuzzled much?


>monero won't budge whatsoever ever

Unlikely if the online shadow economy keeps growing.

how do i recycle e-waste i want to extract the gold

>>57828312
That'd very impressive for a tard. Literally based retard.

>>57832013
Metal recyclers. They won't give you the actual gold though, just fiat for your cut, since they go through the process of melting down the chips and recovering the gold and silver from them.

>>57801325
btc is useless as a currency but you can by kiddie porn with monero so that's something kek

>>57833150
That still lets you buy XMR.

What are some no-nucked sportsbooks? as in no KYC

Whats the name of the euro exchange where you can buy xmr at 1% with a euro debit card. Im going for summer

What the fuck is the business model for cloud mining providers. Couldn't they just mine on their own time without "graciously" feeding crumbs to the hardwareless?
Is it about collecting fiat directly and offloading the trading to the consoomer?

Come on, Tether, we're nearly there!

>>57833150
Thats what i want to do, fuck them i want all the money to myself fuck those nigggers i just need the theory i am already almost a chemist by myself

>>57834358
Nothing legal.

whats the deal with this 0xMonero thing? is this actual monero devs or some pajeet scam?

>>57836621
>pajeet scam

You guessed it.

How do I get a job and earn in XMR?

>>57836688
MoneroJobs group on telegoon

my hatred for the state is incommensurable

>>57836700
>my hatred for the state is incommensurable

Then you're in the right place.

>>57831455
what are you even trying to spout you mouthbreather
I'm explaining how the market and normie psychology works, wether you and your gay little club takes it seriously or not does not make any difference.
As for the growth of shadow economy every dealer tries to cash out instead of holding so good luck, may work in 10 years if crims start to treat it as an asset. I thought you only cared about the fundamentals anyway.

>>57836014
I also looked into it dude, you will spend more money in gear necessary to melt down the pcb and the gear to purify the trace gold and silver than what you will recover. Just to get ~$50 worth of it. Unless you plan to be just one tier above copper stealing meth addicts as a day job, just take the cut.
>>57836688
With kneepads, the .05XMR will add up in time.

>>57836621
How much Monero do you have if you 0x it. Do the math

>>57837038

lol you literally admitted fundamentals don't matter in this market.

>>57837083
correct, they do not

>>57837119
>correct, they do not

Congratulations, you're nearly there.

Just swapped my entire bitcoins to Monero.

>>57837191
based

>>57837166
so you don't want to be part of the market and don't want to make money to have more xmr after this run (as you seem so sure it will gain traction someday somehow), very clever.
swear to god smug redditors like you who thinks they've seen through the matrix by reading the saberhagen paper and a few meme here and there are insufferable

>>57837191
>Just swapped my entire bitcoins to Monero.

Why?! Tether is going to pump BTC to $100K and beyond!!! We're still so early!

Selling most of my XMR stack for BTC was the best choice of my life, sorry to say this cause I like Monero's tech but it's the truth.

>>57837280
>so you don't want to be part of the market and don't want to make money to have more xmr after this run (as you seem so sure it will gain traction someday somehow), very clever.

No, shockingly I don't actually want to gamble in a demonstrably rigged casino.

>>57837312
>Selling most of my XMR stack for BTC was the best choice of my life, sorry to say this cause I like Monero's tech but it's the truth.

Congratulations! You are going to be SO rich!

Be sure to visit us when you make it and post pics of your flashy new Lambo!

>>57837312
Just get off before it crashes around the halving, enjoy your gains

Monero isn't designed to make money by "gambling" or "trading" it, its designed to suit a real economy. Contribute real value or fuck off. Monero is real "GDP" and bitcoin is paper "gold".

>>57837499
i don't know how to contribute value

>>57837870
>i don't know how to contribute value

Start a business/side-hustle. Expand the selection of goods & services that can be had for XMR. Grow the economy.

>>57837870
Trade on a KYC exchange. Contribute liquidity, dance circles around criminals and europoors paying 2%+ tx fees.

>>57837499
seething hard, monero is digital gold and I'll use it however I see fit

if it means holding I shall hold

if you had a 50kg gold bar and gold was only 100 dollars an ounce, why spend it if the market clearly doesn't understand the value of gold, in this case monero

>>57838150
>monero is digital gold
is this the new cope in town

>>57838175
no it's literally what bitshits have been pretending bitshit is

you're almost as dumb as they are

When?

>>57838150
>why spend it

Because if everybody else gets the same idea and stops spending then all economic activity grinds to a halt and it stops being relevant. As recent history shows, HODLtards are highly detrimental to the emergence of a healthy parallel economy, especially during the initial bootstrapping phase. Just take a look at what the lack of spending is doing to the BTC economy, its precisely why XMR is now overtaking BTC in explicitly BTC-oriented businesses.

So if you genuinely care about Monero, spend your coins often and give merchants as much repeat business as possible.

And at the same time, keep indulging maxitards by amplifying their HODL idiocy, the less BTC is spent the further it spirals into irrelevance.

>>57838245
how the fuck can an inflationary currency be somehow digital gold you absolute troon
the whole point of xmr is to be an actual tradable currency on an anonymous way, not a fucking asset
swear this general lost 30 iq since last bullrun

>>57838640
>how the fuck can an inflationary currency be somehow digital gold

Actual gold is inflationary.

>>57838689
Which makes it non ideal

>>57838689
which makes the investment in btc even more sound then
besides gold is a finite supply

>>57839065
>besides gold is a finite supply
laughs in space

>>57839008
>Which makes it non ideal

Depends on your circumstances.

hey anyone here heard of dragonchain? im going through privacy coins on nonkyc right now and they have a free faucet for it

>>57839065
Bitcoin and Monero are going to have basically the same inflation in your lifetime barring major policy changes. Both are less inflationary than gold for all practical intents.

>>57839479
>proof of stake
>regulatory compliance
>smart contracts
Not actually a privacy coin.

>Delisting xmr before the bull run
It seems some people fear monero

>>57839008
you shouldn't comment on things you are unable to understand, but that seems to be the biz motto

>>57839065
a shitcoin with no usecase goes to 0, gg though, you weren't capable

I get everything you guys said
but when're we getting rich?

>>57839065
>which makes the investment in btc even more sound then

lol no. Gold has intrinsic value due to its unique chemical properties. Most of the demand for gold is from the jewelry + industrial sectors, not the finance sector. So gold would still retain demand and therefore value even if 100% of investors/HODLers disappeared overnight.

BTC, on the other hand, has negligible and ever-diminishing demand as a MoE i.e demand from non-HODLers/speculators, so when delusional bagholders finally sober up and start panic selling, there won't be any organic demand left to hold the price up.

XMR, meanwhile, has ever-growing demand as a MoE in an slowly expanding shadow economy i.e. it has guaranteed demand from non-HODLers/speculators, which in turn guarantees a floor and makes it so damn comfy.

>besides gold is a finite supply

As with all other coins, XMR is constantly being lost, and as more people start to actively use XMR that rate of loss will increase accordingly. Theoretically, XMR could eventually become deflationary if more coins are being lost than are being minted.

>>57839065
>gold is a finite supply
globeearthers believe in space, it means infinite gold in space
flatearthers don't believe in space, the believe in a infinite plane, so gold is also infinite
there is no model where gold is finite

Cope, space is effectively finite because you turn into a black hole if you try going fast enough to reach places.

>>57841152
so what happens when you get to the edge of space?
maybe you fall and find more gold

>>57839947
>a shitcoin with no usecase goes to 0, gg though, you weren't capable
if you're talking about btc you're at r/buttcoin level rn hope you realize it
we're not in 2014 anymore you absolute goof every institution consider it as an efficient collateral against inflation

>>57841500
>we're not in 2014 anymore you absolute goof every institution consider it as an efficient collateral against inflation

Absolutely, keep hoarding it.

>>57841552
so now it's bad to have an efficient, decentralized hedge against inflation somehow

Brainlet here. Why holding xmr is bad? I kinda just wanna protect myself from 2030 agenda. Besides, I do plan spending it eventually

>>57842050
not bad if you want a stable private coin

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>>57842086
Could you explain why using monero as store of value isn't recommended? Not a moonfag, but i'd be happy if my current amount of xmr increased its value over time

>>57842165
>56 pbtid
You're really in cope overdrive today son.

>>57842271
the nerd confidence is low because of fear of delisting, the normie confidence is low because they can buy it only on kraken and don't give a shit about privacy whatsoever

>>57841500
>appeal to authority

oh you mean the jews that failed at gambling like 10 times and needed to be bailed out by the taxpayer

an antique isn't an efficient collateral against inflation, it's a collectors item that doesn't have utility other than personal emotional attachment

>>57840063
Also the US government just fucking sits on XMR they obtain in seizures instead of reselling it like BTC so arrests are deflation events barring a policy change.

>>57842669
>muh reddit fallacy argument
>dah joos
>an antique
>collector's item
>no utility (despite being an efficient hedge against inflation)
If you think your words make sense somehow they do not

>>57842765
an antique isn't a hedge against inflation, it's an item that you have an emotional attachment to

is monero still available on bitfinex? Is that the cheapest exchange to buy it on? I honestly can't tell from looking at their autistic website.

>>57838257
2028 maybe