/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>57788177
CB and Binance coming

>>57788177
>30% of total liquidity on uniswap has been bought in the last 2 weeks.
https://etherscan.io/token/0x93ed3fbe21207ec2e8f2d3c3de6e058cb73bc04d?a=0x343fd171caf4f0287ae6b87d75a8964dc44516ab#tokenAnalytics

>>57788177
>>Light reading:
>https://kleros.io/book.pdf
Unironically good and very informational (NOT FOR ZOOMERS WITH BRAIN ROT)

What the fuck? I'm buying back in.

>>57788177
dubs confirm $10 is fud

>>57788177
Kleros sisters I'm feeling really good after finding out all the FUD wasn't true!

>>57788276
insiders buying pre coinbase/kraken/binance listing???

What went so fucking right?

Ath soon

Sires, where to buy this good coin which will bring many riches?

>>57790267
Unicef Exchange sir.

>>57788177
>Mexico officially acknowledges the legitimacy of Decentralized Justice mechanisms, a concept coined by Kleros, to resolve disputes. Mexico will enforce Kleros Court rulings.

>>57790353
That is a girl.

>>57790353
>>57790560
Kleros court verdict is that this is a beautiful woman.

>>57790353
I love it when a woman has strong looking shoulders and neck like that

>>57788177
>Extended Info Dump
Stanford: 'Kleros: A Socio-Legal Case Study Of Decentralized Justice & Blockchain Arbitration
https://law.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/10-BERGOLLA-55-98.pdf

JPMorgan's ongoing digital identity article series mentions POH (Kleros project)
https://www.jpmorgan.com/onyx/digital-identity-web3-building-blocks.htm

Infura tweets about Kleros
https://twitter.com/infura_io/status/1711861670400696579

Nethermind states that the Kleros protocol is the most mature decentralized dispute resolution mechanism for the Lido protocol
https://research.lido.fi/t/a-mechanism-for-a-good-validator-set-maintenance-by-nethermind-research-phase-ii-completed/

Insanity that $1 doesn't even put this token in the top 100. $1 seems perfectly reasonable imho for the amount of secured value Kleros protects every day.

I missed out in the 2017 and 2021 bullruns. Now I'm all in on Kleros. Please sirs let me make it.

>>57788177
>Vitalik mentions Kleros in blog posts frequently
https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2019/11/22/progress.html
https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2020/07/22/round6.html
https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2021/08/16/voting3.html
https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2021/09/26/limits.html
https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2022/01/26/soulbound.html
https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2022/07/13/networkstates.html
https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2022/09/20/daos.html
https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2022/12/05/excited.html
https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2023/07/24/biometric.html
https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2024/01/30/cryptoai.html

PNK is fine

It's LITERALLY crab dumping as we speak

>>57792562
>crab dumping
Price: $0.0458201
1h: 0%
24h: 3.4%
7d: 110%

pinkbros, what other tokens are you holding for this season? Currently I'm nearly 100% in PNK but I want to hold at least 2 or 3 other tokens with similar potential

also, does anyone who's gone through the github/testnet have an estimate on when V2 will release? from the telegram it's implied that they're just waiting on audits now and its basically ready to go?

To celebrate the return of Kleros I'm going to dump some old images

>>57792855
other tokens????
>>57792885
Hard to say. Although they have been doing workshops with legal minds in argentina using V2 so it would be really strange if V2 wasn't actually planned to release this/next quarter. Clement used to audit smart contracts before Kleros. Lately, he hasn't been active on Telegram and although we like to razz him about not doing much, it's likely that he's diligently auditing the V2 smart contracts. Kleros V2 is complex and will be high-stakes with potential millions of dollars involved in disputes, so this makes sense to me.

Original Link Marine here. Hey Newfags notice how these spammers can't even speak English? That should be a MAJOR red flag. PINK is a Pajeet/Shitskin scam that is trying to copy the look and feel of LINK before we mooned.
I retired early from selling half my LINK when my trailing stops triggered at 17. Consider listening to my advice and be safe.

Just a reminder for potential investors: Kleros Devs are huge SJW types who have let their subjective political and moral agenda influence the protocol. I'm not speculating on how this will affect the price, just a heads up for anyone who's interested in such info.

I don't have the screenshot on me right now, but it says in the white paper that anything you do OUTSIDE the court can have an impact on the ruling. Just make sure no one knows what views you hold in private or the stuff you've done in the past, it may cause the Devs to overturn and rule the case against your favor and confiscate your wallet for breaking the rules (as arbitrarily decided by the SJW devs). Funnily enough there is no way to appeal this decision in kleros court itself.

>>57793018
>>57793066
why fake fud sir? fudding season is over
>t. fudded kleros for 2 years straight daily.

Listen here fags, in the following two weeks, this place and most of the social media will be spammed with Kleros (Ticker: PNK) shills. They will have a bunch of buzzwords and high-brow academic words. I will give some simple points which will help you disprove their pseudo-scientific bs. I am a chan veteran and want to keep this place safe from scams masked as legitimate projects.
These Kleros shills will often cite the fact that Vitalik Buterin "endorsed" this scam. The truth is that the only thing Vitalik said is that it is an interesting project, Vitalik had an interest in multiple other projects, Komodo, for example. Such projects almost always end up nowhere. There are simply better options out there.
Second, this is that Kleros shills will mention that some "academic" from pay-to-study third world university is on board. Such people are simply getting paid for letting Federico use their picture and their name. Federico can afford that since he is dumping thousands from his dev wallet and he wants to keep this Ponzi running for as long as possible.

Kleros (PNK) is not a good investment. It ideologically revolutionary, and will pave the way for some incredible projects, but it has already fufilled its purpose, it has hit peak saturation in the market, and is currently undergoing a slow, tragic death.

There are many, many issues with the coin that fucks over YOU (the investor). There is a big difference between what is good for the COMPANY and what is good for the TOKEN HOLDER. And there is virtually NO crossover.

>Cucked by Gas (THIS IS NOT FIXABLE)
The most obvious FUD. You've heard this one before. And I'm sure you think 1559 or a L2 will solve it. The truth is, gas is actually likely to RISE with 1559. 1559 is about making ETH deflationary and stopping people overpaying for gas. It will NOT reduce it (this topic is too large to cover in this post, but you can read about it here: https://www.gemini.com/cryptopedia/ethereum-improvement-proposal-ETH-gas-fee#section-eip-1559-and-block-size).). And for L2 - the team will NEVER move to layer 2 because it means the layer 2 protocol would have custody of their coins. If Kleros was not ported to L2 during DeFi summer, it absolutely won't be now (1 year later). They don't know how to fix this. They really don't. Ask them and you will get a frustrating, avoidant answer. I have been trying to get them to answer this for 6 months and they just keep saying they've been looking at options, like they have been since a year ago. In reality, the real answer is "we're hoping gas goes down to a point where it's ok".

>>57793106
>Cucked by DeFi farms
Why would anyone take part in Courts to maybe win 2-3% rewards per case on their stack, risking 10%+, when they can just stake in a well-known farm for 30-100% APY? Realistically, the idea that jeets will put their hard earned money on the line to MAYBE earn $20 (assuming they have SOMEHOW fixed the gas issue) is laughable when they can just ape into another BSC shitcoin in hopes of a 2x within an hour. Add in the fact that jeets will be exposing themselves to PNK fluctuations (which could mean at base level they are losing money) means this will NEVER be viable for them.

>Cucked by Centralization
Clement holds over 51% of the coin, making it more centralised than BTC, ETH, you name it. It's ALMOST as bad at Sergey. But he won't dump right? What do you think the first thing he'll do when Kleros start running low on funds (which will happen in the next 365 days)? Dump on the market, or another ICO (the third)? Same result.

>Incompatible with Farms
You will NEVER yield farm with PNK. Aave offered Kleros a yield farm. They declined, as its "important as much PNK as possible is staked in the Court". To repeat, you will NEVER yield farm with PNK. EVER.

>>57793106
>>57793119
>Never Binance, Never Ever
You might have been wondering for the entire time you've been holding PNK why it hasn't gone onto a big exchange with all the big people shilling it. For the same reason as above, this means PNK can NEVER be placed on a Centralized Exchange like Coinbase or Binance. CEXs use AMMs to create their markets, which means they need a significant amount of PNK to actually create transactions. But of course, even though Binance was willing to list PNK, the team said no because it might result in an attack on the courts. Kleros will NEVER be on Binance. Kleros will NEVER be on Coinbase. The ONLY places it will exist are on dexs or shit-tier cexs which don't require a minimum amount to market make (which means the pair will be dead and 0 volume will occur).

>Terrible Price Action (aka "But it's up 10x since I bought in Feb 2020!")
If you bought PNK in the 2nd ICO in February 2020, you are currently 31% DOWN on the ETH pair. This is not "just a blip". The only time PNK has been above the ICO price in ETH THIS YEAR was 2 weeks in May (when EVERYTHING was pumping). You know who has been shilling PNK? Vitalik, Naval, fucking Jack Dorsey. This coin has literally been handed EVERYTHING to it. EVERYTHING. And it has failed to do anything other than pump once during the biggest case ever (302), in which the fundamentals of the Court failed (because >no appeals on Realitio) and die.

>>57793106
>>57793119
>>57793131
It's revolutionary tech. But it's one of the many cases of a great idea, timed poorly, executed averagely, which will fade forgotten in history until a bigger competitor takes over. Aragon is actually already doing this, but they're pretty retarded. It's only a matter of time until a competent team do it properly, probably a year from now, and market themselves accurately. Kleros had all the time in the world, were offered SO MANY golden opportunities, and have made absolutely 0 progress in the past 2 years. Zero. The project is dead. They're just burning their reserves and will start dumping their stacks when they need more money.

It was a PnD all along boys. I got tricked too. But I sold that pump 2 weeks ago and finally feel free. Do with my information whatever you will, I don't care. But the panic is coming. Look how much PNK dropped in the 23 May baby crash. IF we are going to have a real crash, everyone is going to be rushing as fast as possible to sell PNK. The team included - they're not stupid. Even if you don't sell now, set up price alerts and be the most cautious you have ever been. If you get caught in that crash, you will be bagholding at a loss for months if not years. This is your fair and likely only warning.
>Verification not required

LMAO at all you imbecile biztards who think you are early to this coin by being in the 'current' discord with 400 members. This coin was shilled here years and years ago, along the likes of confido, liven, treon aim etc. Do any of you even remember those coins, or were you even around then? Look them up on your favorite crypto website - and see where they all are now.

There are already groups that exist from years before the recent discord. You all really are the useful idiots for shilling this coin. You are getting regularly dumped on by people who already got into this coin early.

Kleros is from 2018. You are not early. You are demonstrably late. Any idiot who claims to be early and the part of the 'new' current discord shills to be organic are blatant liars. I'm not saying you wont make money off this coin riding it up and down, but please, for the love of god, be careful. They regularly make threads here, talk about them on the discord and post in each others here. The memes are good tho.

Please tell me you guys aren't only in the temple of kleros discord. Jesus christ. You do know thats the one set up to bring in newfriends? It's all in the archives. There were, and still are, discord groups above those which run these pump and dumps. You can literally check the archives where the original ICO whales with 8m+ tokens spread over multiple wallets repeatedly made threads to pump PNK back at around 0.01 in late 2018 early 2019. They even openly admit they did it. They even openly admit they had discord groups and other mediums of communication back then. Are you even in any of those? Do you have any idea what goes on in them? Or are you in the useful idiot discord 'temple of kleros' where you all make memes, post in eachothers threads and repeat to eachother that you are all smart money and in early on a moon mission project.

>Kleros is a decentralized decision protocol for use on smart contract platforms, which has been implemented on Ethereum.
>It acts as a decentralized third party capable of providing decisions on the correct result when applying a set of rules to questions ranging from simple to highly complex.
>This is achieved by using game theoretic incentives to have crowdsourced jurors analyze and rule on cases correctly. Hence, Kleros provides judgments in an inexpensive, reliable, typically fast, and decentralized way.
>In order to maintain global access to the juror pools and maximize juror diversity, it is imperative to ensure the price of the token does not exceed 20 cents. A 200,000,000 pool of PNK tokens will be minted whenever the token approaches this level, and dumped onto the market to repress the price if the pinakion token reaches 19c.
>Of particular relevance is the use of this protocol to dispute resolution, creating for a form of decentralized justice.

We've come a long way

im going all in tomorrow with 400k on Kleros. I saw scrotum.eth put in 100k and im convinced. i have no income i have been sidelined for months and i refuse to be out of the market when it starts showing up on tv news about ath etc i would rather kms so i either make it or die

>>57793613
>im going all in tomorrow with 400k on Kleros
Oh yes I saw your thread before. You're full of shit.

>>57790353
>>57790386
such beautiful kleros sisters

>>57788177
just bought 1 PNK

>>57793188
as someone who bought the second ICO, was in the top 50 wallets, and was an admin in the temple in 2019, this is mostly hyperbole. there were a LOT of true believers back then, this jeet/sirs/needful fud went on for over a year on /biz/ back then before it pumped above the 1c mark. i had diamond hands and cashed out at 17c, making it my most successful investment yet.

but the truth is that it only exploded because of the bullrun. it could happen again, but IF AND ONLY IF fagerico gets off his lazy ass and starts getting businesses to actually USE THE FUCKING THING. it could see a second (but REAL) renaissance that way. it was always a fantastic project but with some of the laziest devs ever. i have no intention of buying in this time until i see some concrete progress on adoption of the arbitration. who knows, maybe i'll FOMO in later for nostalgia, but they've had years to push for use cases in the insurance and healthcare industry but have done nothing except academically jack each other off.

i was Parmenides of Elea in the temple if any of you oldfags remember me

>>57794283
Generational wealth

>>57794283
>>57794409
wrong pic

>>57794337
>the insurance and healthcare industry
Maybe after a decade or in the 3rd world where they have nothing else. There's a deep rooted establishment in those industries. I'd rather input my symptoms and get the nurse to plug my blood and urine test results into ML and spit out the diagnosis then talk to some old geezer who says I have a cold and sends me away with vitamins and painkillers, or to a brown doctor. But this isn't going to change any time soon.
The devs are lazy (still no court v2 lmao) but even if they weren't it's unrealistic to expect adoption so quickly.

>>57794337
Also check my quads >>57794444
Four fours.
4 cents -> 4 dollars 4moonxgg
don't care about ToK, I'm not transgendered and never used the discord.

>>57794444
it’s going to $40

>look on /biz/ and still see people holding this after the stinky frenchman hoisted his own petard getting involved with the insurance case
i'm going to start reposting all the classic fuddpastas from back in the glory days when i still had a hard on for this project. i created them after all

>>57793066
>They still think about me
kek, rent free.

>>57795153
>fellow litigator veteran of the designated shitting courtyards
sup it's DadAnon how ya been

>>57793106
I am unironically the one who inadvertently "created" the "where to buy sir - uniswap sir" meme back in 2019/2020 when Kleros was being shilled heavily here and I am tickled to see that it persists

You took my mockery of the heavy shilling and turned it into a meme. Well done.

>>57795226
uni shit sir

>>57788177
high iq token which makes sense since i am up BIGLY

>>57795226
>>57795538
>ID colours
Sirs, a sign from Vishnu

>>57795778
Low iq token which makes sense since im DOWN bigly

>>57796023
how?

>>57794283
>>57794439
https://etherscan.io/tx/0x049e4f5af66765a520f3009ec04a1d1301706973bd4877cf419d2a4b23356a3c

I sold you my 1 PNK sir
GLHF

>>57796577
Imagine paying $100 in fees for 1 PNK

>>57796830
textbook dalit behavior

I just want to say to newfag lurkers who may read this thread: If you think this is your chance at the next bitcoin, the next dogecoin, the next ethereum, it is not. You were too late to have hundreds worth of interweb funny money you used to buy drugs and pizza, you were too late to tip fractions of a cent to your fellow redditors using the coin based on the meme canine, and you were too late to lurk here and buy ETH at 0.20$ and patiently hodl for your 10000x pay off. You will not become a millionaire off the back of a measly 200$ investment.
But you can come close. This is you LAST CHANCE to finally fucking make it. Your LAST CHANCE to be able to quit your dead end job and live in japan visiting soaplands every weekend, comfortably buying your figurines and gunpla directly from the local shop only a short train ride away. This is the LAST STOP and you have to climb on top of the train with the other stinky jeets, your untouchable brothers, who lurk these foul threads and ride the Chennai-ai-ai Express to generational wealth.

>>57797478
Quite the essay, but PNK is actually one of those last true moonshots that is not a meme coin same with ROSE I guess.

>>57797478
>>57797492
$10 is less than a 10B MC
Ripple hit 150B in 2017 (preinflation)
$10 is fud

>>57797515
I agree, $10 is FUD

>>57797492
Oasis already pumped. It's in the top 100 by market cap in an era where market caps are already much larger than they were when LINK was at a similar token price. If ROSE had the mcap of LINK it would be a measly 12x. If kleros had the market cap of LINK (which it deserves) it represents roughly 400x. If PNK was collectively valued as much as ROSE that's a 30x right there, anons would shit their pants as that'd put it threefold past its ATH. Many OG Brahmins would have made it already.

>>57797566
I still reckon both a solid, I guess if ROSE sees action first I can move profits into PNK.

>>57797566
fuck meant to post this one

>>57797580
I know how you feel, I'm holding another next chainlink that I feel will pop off before kleros. The recent news really makes me wonder though. Shit is stressful. A few clicks and keystrokes away from LIKE A DRAGON: INFINITE WEALTH(TM)

>>57797584
thanks I lost this

Someone needs to make an excel spreadsheet with price targets and market caps

I say 30B is doable, without getting too delusional. 50B is my max.

>>57797628
Such an image exists but I fear I have not saved it. Perhaps another noble scholar has it on their drive and would be kind enough to post it

>>57797660
What is your other moonshot ranjeet

>>57788242
They are not willing to seed tokens and never have been. This is why they aren't on Coinbase. Any shitcoin can be on coinbase. I bought in again with 100k pnk but I'm not gonna live in denial. I've lived through a bull run with this insufferable team before. That said, a 10x from here is inevitable.

>>57797671
Apparently they have applied in the past but were rejected, how true that is I don't know. Sadly the average person is too retarded to use Uniswap so we need something like Coinbase/Binance.

>>57797694
They're yanking your leg buddy. They have been allowed to list since 2020, they just are unwilling to give up the coins to do so.

>>57797667
I have posted threads about it but only one or two other posters ever reply. It is not for you. Actually it already did 10x in the last month but I expect another double digit multiplier if all goes well. This is a thread for Pinakion (purchasable on Uniswap, sir) I will not shill anything else here.

>>57797711
will we be able to sue them for fraudulent misrepresentation on Kleros V2?

>>57797713
sir you would betray a fellow pinker my village is angry what ethnicity are you sir are you a Pakistani is Hindus will win

>>57794337
You're a fool for thinking that they should be pushing for fucking oldhat insurance and the goddamn healthcare industry, are you functionally retarded? ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? How did you see anything in this project if you seriously considered those the two most viable avenues, let alone feasible.
What they're doing now is the best direction to take because it is the direction that's welcoming them with open arms. It's not even worth bothering to tell you what was wrong in your evaluation because the first anon said everything nessesary

>kleros general
I'm getting March 2021 vibes

>>57797807
What's really interesting about Kleros is that they have been building a base of people on the ground and interacting with law students who can now spread the word and legitimize it in their shithole country where a product like Kleros can actually compete. God knows what is holding them up on the software end of things and why there hasn't been a Kleros Court V2 for two years already, this is the only thing I hate about this project, fucking FIFA playing Fede at his wine tastings instead of cracking the whip.

>>57797875
this piece of shit is going to melt faces this time

>>57788177
where to buy

>>57798504

>>57798504
Unisex sers

>>57798538
>>57798527
needful complete just bought 100 p n k

>>57788177
> PNK
kek
at least the shills shill stuff that is new, PNK is just a zombie coin
word of advice: do not buy coins that are 2 cycles old

good token

Kleros general? PNK really must be fine then. The best part won’t even be the price appreciation. The income from court cases will be continuous, and a steady job. I’ll be able to quit my job and just do Kleros court for a living. Sounds silly but the future will look very different from our present. We haven’t had a serious disrupting technology like this since the smartphone. Web 3.0 will do this as well. The future internet absolutely will allow people to interact in a judicial medium, people will interact legally over the internet. The internet is a network of humans after all.

>>57788177
Remember when I used to shitpost in Kleros and RSR threads.
I don't get why RSR died and Kleros is still alive here, the price is abysmal.

>>57798504
>>57798527
>pay $50 in fees for a $500 transaction
lol lmao

>>57800892
Because Kleros is one of the best projects in development.
>>57800934
>I won't pay 5 lakh today for 5 crore rupees tomorrow
truly a dalit

AHHHHHH MY WIFE BOUGHT ARGENTINEAN FOOD AND IM SICK FUCK THIS COIN

>>57800809
A true cross-border source of income that you can't be fired from. Woah.

>>57801122
It really is. I speculate on the nature of work when the 4th Industrial Revolution really kicks into gear, that something like Kleros court will be a major part. Our institutions are so corrupt, turning to schelling points for civil issues seems fine

>>57801187
>something like Kleros court
I hope they airdrop their token to PNK holders who saw the value of decentralised justice but were cucked by a lazy team

>>57797875
Justice as a service, people in shithole countries will pry it first

What are the odds V2 is released this year?

>>57802572
this year? lol

>>57802572
>>57802585
Didn't they say they'll release v2 this year, but it won't be cross-chain. So no arbitrum.
I don't get what's the point of v2 without cross-chain.

One thing I find really annoying is that when someone asks about V2 development they are just told to look at the github which answers nothing to 99% of people.

>Aragon dead
>PAID dead
>Avi in prison
>Lawyer DAO cucks nowhere to be found
>PNK up 200%
>memes flowing like the Ganges
Yeah PNK is fine

Kleros is a piece of shit

>>57793014
>clement
>diligently working
Looool

>>57802741
The current plan is that V2 will be on arbitrum while V1 is still running on gnosis/ethereum (the merge) so there will be 3 separate courts running at the same time for a bit until the crosschain components go live.

>>57788177
Unironically key infrastructure to the 4th industrial revolution.

>>57788177
Crowdsourcing has already proven itself to be a revolutionary process in the form of Wikipedia, which was similarly denounced as an unreliable fad doomed to fail by its critics in its early days, only to eventually become the internet’s favored resource for secondary research. Kleros may yet facilitate the next paradigm shift for decentralized crowdsourcing.

>>57806048
$10 is fud

>>57788177
thanks for the info dump

PNK is indeed fine btw.
Aragon just got grilled at ETHDenver for what they are doing with all the money they have aince their DAO failed. Remember when fudders said Aragon would beat Kleros?
>PNK is fine