/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>57692181
what bubble? that's just the inflation finally hitting.

>8 years vs 15 years
>dow jones in 2024
all the dumb money saying this is a bubble makes me bullish lmao

15 vs. 8 years time period, the former being a keynesian clown economy and the latter being a strict barebones caveman economy complete with bank runs and deflationary spirals.

But but but... LINE IS BIG LIKE THE OTHER LINE

>>57692196
this, we still have 200-300% gains before great depression 2.0

>>57692192
this, adjust it for real inflation, and it probably becomes a dip

>>57692192
You're right, this time it's different!

>>57692181
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfCLt0kTd5E

>>57692181
I remember this idiot, he bagholds xrp

>>57692181
wen Hitler

>>57692197
But this time it's different, the banks can just infinitely print money by loaning and have nothing happen!
It's totally not like the vast majority of the economy and dollars in existence are in the form of insolvent loans and overvalued stocks that will go into a deflationary spiral once their true value is realized (e.g. they won't give a return since most people are in the red and can't pay back their outstanding debt)
>>57692394
soon, fren

>>57692181
No wonder the billionaires are selling stocks like crazy

>>57692247
Market prices are all accounting for inflation as it's measured against the deprecating currency, giant retard, don't adjust for inflation twice

>>57692850
midwit alert, lmao

>>57692969
Inflation in the 1920's sat at around 15% before the bubble popped; which were reported in real metrics.
Using the pre-1980 metrics for calculating inflation; the inflation rate since 2019 has been >10%; making the graphs roughly equivalent. Both causes of the bubble were the stock market inflating the fuck out of the economy with (((imagination))) dollars that didn't actually exist, causing the currency to inflate. When the true value of the stocks were realised and the value of them crashed; the economy deflated since most of the dollars in those stocks evaporated.

>>57692196
This. The backdrop is completely different. 80% of all USD in history was printed within the last 5 years. It’s nothing like the 20s

it's different this time

>>57692181
i dont feel so good, maybe the bobos were right?

>>57692196
whenever redditors start screaming "bubble" it's a signal the bullrun has just started (and they will buy your bags when it ends)

>>57692181
Wasn't as much debt leveraging and derivatives as back then. I'm not sure it matters.

>>57692181
It won't pop until after the election.

>>57692181
They didn't have fiat currency in 1929, smoothbrain. They didn't have a debt to GDP of 140% at 5% interest either (that's trillions of dollars a year in hidden stimulus money).

For those claiming it's not a bubble: this is labor participation rate. It has been steadily decreasing since the 90's.

>>57696268
And this is manufacturing. Been stagnant since the GFC. You're telling me our economy has magically grown over 500% since then despite no increase in industrial output?

>>57696286
Yes

>>57693160
Inflation since 2019 in the us is no less than 50%. And since when are captive inelastic markets poised to genuinely reflect value? Where the fuck have you been?

>>57696286
>industrial output

ok boomer, no advanced economy does factory shit anymore thats what india and china are for

>>57696327
>this is your brain on globalism
There *aren't* successful post manufacturing societies
The more shit you make yourself, the more leverage you have, which means the more power you have in negotiations. The only thing the us has going for it anymore is domestic food production, which is rapidly dwindling
Unless manufacturing comes back in a BIG way, were getting a major war (CW2, WW3, etc) and its almost to the point where it will be unavoidable anyway

>>57696311
>And since when are captive inelastic markets poised to genuinely reflect value?
they don't, that's the "bubble" part.

>>57696601
>The more shit you make yourself, the more leverage you have, which means the more power you have in negotiations.
yes that's why average south east asian has so much negotiating power.

>>57692181
it's all made up fake numbers backed by thin air.

>>57692181
In the 20s there was still a gold standard. Understand?

>>57696956
backed by guys with guns.

If you listen to the official explanations its all nonsense, so you think none of its real. But it exists in a semi functional state, there is a sound basis behind it that makes it all work. If you dont work for the system men with guns will take everything & your family will starve. Thats real economics.

>>57692181
And guess who everyone is going to blame in 2029?

You’re in a clown world… deal with it.