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VOLUME HOT SEWERAGE DOO DOO
OVER
DEAD
DONE
SCREEN CAP THIS HOMIE

>> No.57645148

OG Linu fake fudder

>> No.57646081

>>57645117
But the Volume is backup stupid dog

>> No.57646091
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57646091

>>57646081
oh yeah because a 4chan thread about how fake linu is compared to honey badger erc is really gonna mean a lot listen up you big-titted loser you don't want none of this honey badger dick i literally don't give a fuuuuuuuuck

>> No.57646100

>>57645117
Kys niggerfaggot .

>> No.57646249
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57646249

Time to declare yourselves homie

>> No.57646253

>>57646249
Proud 1000% doo doo homie reporting in. The 1000% stands for the value of my LINU over the next months

>> No.57646445

>>57646249
It's Over Homie here.

>> No.57646479

Trashcan homie with plenty more room for LINU in this bitch.

>> No.57646493

>>57646081
>vol up
>price down

hmmm what does that mean?
shitcoin squeezing out the last dollars

>> No.57646555

>>57646493
It means:
>CEX is happening
Does this make you stupid and asshurt?

>> No.57646583

>>57646555
Why would it dump before CEX if people had faith? Do you really not understand how this Works? You should be pumping BEFORE a listing based on the rumor of one of your coin shows promise. Look at KNS, it’s pumping solely on the future CEX rumor. Your coin is dumping. Hard. You had a bull trap, people took profits from it. You’re done. Finished.

>> No.57646588

>>57646555
oh wow three digits in a row I guess that guarantees the NFTs were just another layer of stealing your money

>> No.57646659

>>57646583
>Why would it dump before CEX if people had faith?
It's currently holding like a stable coin because who the fuck knows it's going to a CEX outside of handful here and TG.
>ITS DUMPING SELL NOW!!
I'm so worried about $100 i threw in a month ago. How will i ever recover.
>Do you really not understand how this Works?
Oh no i completely understand
>assmad retards mass report any and every linu thread and poster
>Can't let anyone see the news!
That's a fact.
>T.back from a 1 week ban because i mentioned NFTs in a linu FUD thread.
You're going to be really pissy when the token is hitting the "newly listed" page of every CEX we start rolling into. One by one.
>Your coin is dumping. Hard. You had a bull trap, people took profits from it. You’re done. Finished.
>Your coin is dumping homie. Hard homie. You had doo doo bull trap. People took profits homie. You're done homie. Finished homie. Linu doo doo.
Oh this is bottom then? Time to buy more?

>> No.57646771

>>57646588

Blessed digits

>> No.57646800
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57646800

>>57645117
yea we knew that in 2021 you fucking retard

>> No.57646940

>>57646659
>he thinks people only care about initial
If someone sees their profits are going to become less and less they’re worth selling. I feel bad for the people who turned their 100$ into like 5,000$ but held past the peak.
>b-but muh newly listed cex
Why exactly will this do anything different compared to other meme coins who get listed and fizzle out or crab forever?

>> No.57647067

Wow. It’s dumping even further… almost like people are starting to realize how stupid they are for keeping their funds locked in to become baggies.


If you’re up right now, sell. Don’t wait until you’re at your buy in price or god forbid a loss.

SELL

>> No.57647110

>>57645117
>he didn't buy backpain

>> No.57647117

Kek fuddies

>> No.57647126

>>57647117
Look at your chart dipshit. Going to be red 20% in one day. Going to break the low of last week. It’s OVER! Cex? NFTs? All amounted to NOTHING

>> No.57647156

Aaaaand look! Down 20%. OVER! ITS OVER! SELL! GET OFF! SINKING SHIP

>> No.57647183

>>57646583
>>57646940
>>57647067
>>57647126
>>57647156
>5 posts yelling into the void
Yikes. Are you ok bro?

>> No.57647187

>>57647156
so buy more?

>> No.57647199

>>57647187
I think thats the best move here desu

>> No.57647205

>>57647183
>>57647187
Lol are you okay Linu baggie? Going to be sub 1M mc real soon. Best jump ship. Find something else. It’s OVER homie.

>> No.57647206

>>57647205
ok ill buy more

>> No.57647214

>>57647205
I am very okay, I mean Im not someone actively spending his time making fud threads. I just hold beer money amounts of LINU and pump my biceps. Btw post yours, your posts reek of tiny arm

>> No.57647217

>Yesterday volume $25k
>Today= $142k but due to mass selling

It's fucking over dooo doo straight to zeroo dooo doo

>> No.57647219

>>57647206
LOL OKAY FRIEND HAVE FUN EATING LINU DOO DOO DOOKIE IN YOUR LINU POORHOUSE LOOOOOL

>> No.57647229

>>57647217
Lol we tried to tell them! But they LOVE losing money lol LINU TRASH

>> No.57647244

>>57646940
>Why exactly will this do anything different compared to other meme coins

>i don't care but I'm emotionally invested im seeing this fail, so please sell
The poster.

Sorry but not selling.

>> No.57647250

>>57647219
I will use the rest of my village's rupees to go all in now

>> No.57647253

>>57647244
Okay have fun losing money homie LOL
Oh look wow another sell LOL

>> No.57647285

LINU TRASH LINU OVER
LINU RAW FUCKING SEWAGE

>> No.57647300

Sell! SELL SELL SELL
RUN AWAY ANONS
ITS SINKING

>> No.57647630

>>57647067
How that Capy bags going?

>> No.57647880

What's with the same posts about beer money and $100 when 90% of the people still trying to keep this shit alive here and in the TG have dropped several thousands? Stop the bullshit niggas you didn't just drop $50 into it. This shit is done.

>> No.57649289

>>57647880
Because you /biz retards are actually poor as shit and broke dog.
$100 is like your entire networth. for fuck sake just forget this LINU dogshit and just buy LINK or NVDA or a bluechip. homie you are going to lose money you could have 5x'd by now.
Dump this sewerage. sell

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57649315

>>57645117
Hey the classic fudders are back.

>> No.57649330

>>57647880
>>57649289
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>> No.57649415
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57649415

>57647285
Hello again dumpster/doodoo/sewage fud guy. Since the classic fudders are here, I'll just leave this piccy here from one of them.

>> No.57649457

>>57649415
The thread in pic was then immediately nuked out of fear by the fudder.

>> No.57651601

>>57646249
it's over homie with room to grow. we live completely rent free in OPs head

>> No.57651899

>>57646249
APOLOGIZE HOMIE ALL I SEE ON THE CHART IS DOO DOO SEWERAGE HOMIE

>> No.57652305 [DELETED] 

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>> No.57652640 [DELETED] 

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>> No.57652643 [DELETED] 

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>> No.57652750

I boughted. Its over

>> No.57653009

>>57652750
DUMBFUCK BAGGIE THANKS FOR PLAYING.

>> No.57654617

homies were going back up o/

>> No.57654626

>>57654617
The CEX news is rolling out lmao

>> No.57654957 [DELETED] 

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>> No.57655352 [DELETED] 

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>> No.57655380
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57655380

>>57655352
This looks like completely safe and trusted link that we should all go to...

>> No.57655433

>>57655380
yeah got free games on g2a, thanks anon!!

>> No.57655476

They really dont know that this is just getting started

>> No.57655551 [DELETED] 

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>> No.57655558

WAGMI homies
>verification not required

>> No.57655684

>>57655433
Kek that reminds me tho
>>57655476
In a nuked linu thread they were talking about a game being made? lucky coinflip clone? Something else? Or was that just a rando anon pitch? Jannies only keep fud threads up so i don't get the latest news.

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>> No.57655842

>>57655684
Rando anon pitch. Loads of big ideas out there, as usual. The current state of the project is: NFT fundraiser was successful, theyre selecting one or two cexes to get LINU listed again. Honestly, its kinda impressive to see the core team put in consistent work to make this shit grow and take off eventually. When they started shilling it the plan was always to work for it over months to make it moon and so far they havent really disappointed yet. Maybe the NFT guy will just run off with the money but it doesnt seem that way. The five giga autists working the most on it genuinely try their best and thats quite refreshing.
>tldr:
>nfts sold
>cex listing soon

>> No.57657684

>>57655842
Thanks homie WAGMI

>> No.57657975

>>57646091
So jannies figure out how to ban the t!nie-(you)rl bot, but can't figure out how to ban this chatbot?

>> No.57658440

>>57655842
>Maybe the NFT guy will just run off with the money but it doesnt seem that way
If that happens kick the mfer out of the community.
The community is based but someone jeeting 3 eth like that would be retarded.

>> No.57658571

>>57657684
In it for moon or bust Homie fuck it

WAGMI

>> No.57658882

anyone who holds LINU will be rewarded. WAGMI homies. This is the digits coin and it WILL moon this year. Simple as.

>> No.57658959

>>57658882
blessed trips homie

>> No.57659030

If this thing dumps to zero, it's because I bought

>> No.57659428 [DELETED] 

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>> No.57659611

Still in profit over 2x with this. My kenis pumps beyond outweigh any dips this coin has. Got nothing to lose. Not selling.

>> No.57660446

Man the chart and transaction list look so fucking bad. The CEX listing news aren't doing shit.

>> No.57661019

HOLY SHIT!!
One of the admins stole all the funds from the NFT sales! LOL!!!!!!

>> No.57661341

It's over lol

>> No.57661344

>>57661019
is this true?

>> No.57661443

>>57661344
yeah lol. its actually over

>> No.57661453

Holy fuck the chart got obliterated.

>> No.57661551

>>57645117
Homieposter, you won, check the price
Congrats on this. Seriously.

>> No.57661654

>>57661551
I fucking can't believe it. He was right.
The fud was right.
This never happens this was supposed to be the /biz/ token. This was supposed to be our meal ticket for the bullrun. It's so fucked guys.

>> No.57661713

>>57661654
I bought more lmao. Firesale shaking out the weaklings.

>> No.57661729

>>57661654
We still got avi and kenis fren. It's not over yet.

>> No.57661728

>>57661713
kek baggie

>> No.57661739

>>57661713
UR DELUSIONAL HOMIE I TOLD U U GETTING DUMPED ON
ITS OVER
New biz coins:
ZERO INU
OVER INU
DOO DOO INU
HOT SEWERAGE INU
APOLOGIZE INU

>> No.57661768

>>57661739
kekw
I cant believe I shilled this coin for a month. Sorry anons.

>> No.57661867

>>57645117
by some miracle I sold a week ago for a 6x.

still have a 100B stack left just in case but probably should have sold that too from the looks of it.

>> No.57661868

I just woke up.

I'm going to drink my morning coffee and then dump my whale wallet, I'm devastated.

>> No.57661871

thanks for playing anons

>> No.57661882

>>57661739
based

>> No.57661892

kek

shoulda bought spyro ranjeshes

>> No.57662022
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57662022

Brutal.

>> No.57662035

>>57662022
At least he's still got 72k in his pocket, though.

>> No.57662228

>>57662035
Nope thats not how it works. His profit and losses are 28k
He only got 28k after all this.

>> No.57662266

>>57662022
>>57662228
"he" sold more than he bought?

>> No.57662302

MINUS INU
ZERO INU
OVER INU
LINU OVER HOMIE

>> No.57662329

>>57657684
NGMI homie
LINU dead over done
Trash can INU haha

>> No.57662379

>>57645117
I saw this coming i mean luna is cursed. so are frog and dragon coins.

>t.prophetic skitzo

>> No.57662454

>>57662266
PnL = profits and losses.
Your total profit over total losses.
He didnt buy 100k.
He traded the same amount many times and lost many times because he swung it now its negative pnl.

>> No.57662996

>>57662454
what site is that?

>> No.57663031
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57663031

>>57645117
I told you guys to get into AI coins, the shitcoin meta is ending. Check the $AGRS chart and cry

>> No.57663041

>>57662996
I hate newfags so much...
dexscreener.

>> No.57663137

>>57663041
Thanks, thats a fun site.
Nice to see almost every person selling is doing so at a massive loss

>> No.57663167

>>57663137
I know... kek baggies.
Sorry had to get that one out of my system.
I'm an idiot for selling this news but I wasnt the only one. Enjoy cheapies if we turn it around.

>> No.57663168

>>57663041
poor fella

>> No.57663964

IF U BUY AGAIN HOMIE U DELUSIONAL + RETARDED
HOMIE TRIED TO HELP BIZ
BUT BIZ FUDDED THE HOMIE
WHY
LINU OVER I TOLD U
OVER
THE END
DOOKIE DOO DOO FLUSHED
SCREEN CAP THIS

>> No.57663973
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57663973

>>57663964
I bought again. What now?

>> No.57664057

>>57655684
real lucky coinflip is in the works still

>> No.57664084

>>57663973
NOW U LOSE AGAIN HOMIE
U STOOPID HAHA
LINU OVER
HOMIE REMAINS

>> No.57664147
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57664147

LINU SATANS COIN HOMIE
HOMIE PREDICTED IT ALL
>>/biz/thread/57367397#p57370451

>> No.57664153
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57664153

>>57664084
>>57664147
Maybe but what if no?

>> No.57664326
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57664326

>>57664153
Fudders and jannies rope, while homies of /biz/ take their glorious spot atop the upcoming bullrun.

>> No.57665162

>>57664326
LINU IS OVER HOMIE U 1000% DELUSIONAL
DEAD
SEWERAGE PIPE TO A TRASH CAN

>> No.57665573

>>57646249
Doo doo homie feels bad man doo dog coin my 500 billies to 0 dollars eoy screen cap this

>> No.57665637

the LINU admins DUMPED
Admitted it homie
I TOLD U homie u GETTING DUMPED ON
And they did it

>> No.57665692

>>57646555
>dumps 50% in a day during a bull market on news of a CEX listing
It’s over. All the pumps are just to attract exit liquidity before the next dump.

>> No.57665707

>>57647880
Everytime you hear something about “it’s just $100, you could be a millionaire with just beer money!” you know it’s a scam. They use the same scripts for everything:
>it’s just beer money / 100 bucks
>if this pumps like SHIB…
>some fake news that never materializes

>> No.57665710

I'm gonna keep holding..whales still filling their bags. Has to be a reason why.
Nft yoink was a minor set back. Still doesn't change the fact LINU/HOKK is way safer than any other shit coin on biz. No devs, locked liquidity, renounced and even distribution.
Anything that doesn't have these criteria isnt a risk worth taking.

>> No.57666131

>>57665710
yeah, why get scammed by a dev when you can just get scammed by community admins instead?

>> No.57666146

Shitcoins can dump 50/60 even 80% during their run.The key is to exit before the final dump when everyone think the project is the next shib.

>> No.57666210

>>57646249
Just call me Oscar the Grouch homie

>> No.57666218

>>57666131
cant get scammed if they didnt buy the NFT
i feel bad for the people that did though, definitely going to poison the community unfortunately,
IMO there shouldnt be any admins, should be totally decentralized

>> No.57666226

Yeah no this is over. The current climb right now is bait for exit liquidity. If you’re at a loss sell whenever you think is best but you’re unlikely to break even if you bought above 2m MC

>> No.57666239

What I dont get is the massive panic sells. Really shows that shitcoins are pure narrative and psychosis. Like nothing even happened. They planned for the cexes and raised funds and someone jeeted it. Wasnt even crazy amounts of money. I understand that this sucks but why is that ITS OVER tier? Just keep shilling, now with a sob story about resiliance and its very likely to go back up

>> No.57666323

>>57665710
U a retard homie
But the whales are doing it!
U sound like a baby
1000 other coins have the same contract
LINU over
Trash can certified

>> No.57666329

>>57666323
nah

>> No.57666339

>>57666146
The admins dumped on u homie
Literally admitted it I told u apologize
Check biz
Check tg
LINU zero
Minus INU
Haha

>> No.57666349

>>57666210
U a Retard INU homie
LINU done

>> No.57666363

>>57666239
THE ADMINS SOLD HOMIE
ZERO CONFIDENCE FROM THE HOMIES RUNNING LINU
LINU RAW SEWERAGE
ALL LIES
HAHA

>> No.57666390

>>57666363
no one is running LINU
stay mad
keep bumping the thread
youve been fudding for 3 weeks straight
relax homie

>> No.57666415

>>57666390
Because they sold homie
They dumped on u
Hope u screen capped my warnings

>> No.57666428

>>57666415
keep bumping homie

>> No.57666442

>>57645117
>""" COMMUNITY """

>> No.57666504

>>57666442
The admins dumped
The admins dumped
The admins dumped
As soon as they could homie
It wasn’t the 8k
It was always the plan
LINU over
Dumped

>> No.57666846

>>57666504
Why they rug their bizbros for 8k?
Thats nothing

>> No.57666873

>>57666239
Because the only thing that holds shitcoins together is community. That’s how they moon beyond an initial moon PnD. A lead admin jeeting the entire community is a community breaker homie. I tried to tell everyone. This shit is DONE.

>> No.57668647

>>57666873
he really didnt lead much of anything anyways.