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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
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Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

>>57568620

Surprise! Maafaka!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt86LvuH_Z8

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Monero-only bullion shop
https://monerometals.com/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.win/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Hectate Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Smackers
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
>Wizard's Palace #
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fknwLx6q


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
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>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.


>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total BTC = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings BTC would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per BTC and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

I love Monero-chan

>>57568613
I got absolutely FUCKED by this piece of shit. The fudders were right, I should have stacked sats and used Monero as a mixer. There is no point holding this shitcoin as a store of wealth.

I bought monero for the first time because of the waifu girl. Ive done this before.

>>57568795

I'm in the same boat, same mistake. It's because Binance was wash trading, they are out of the game now. Stay the course! Sweet VICTORY is near!

I salute you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt86LvuH_Z8

>>57568795
>I got absolutely FUCKED by this piece of shit. The fudders were right, I should have stacked sats and used Monero as a mixer. There is no point holding this shitcoin as a store of wealth.

Don't Buy Monero, asshole.

>>57568681
>If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable
Bitcoin is 48k now

>>57568938
Don't worry, no one is.

>>57568881
Don't marry your bags

Why is it dumping?

>>57568984
>Don't worry, no one is.

Yes. Now go enjoy the totally organic BTC pump while we have fun staying poor.

>>57568613
Reporting in
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IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

>>57568929
You sound a tad bit cultish, anon. The dump happened because a delisting looks bad and (surprise surprise) most people holding monero are actually just in it to try and swing trade for profit. In multiple years of watching this in real-time I've yet to see meaningful proof that Binance was indeed wash trading.

That being said, this is not the first nor the second delisting, nothing about monero's function has changed and the community can withstand this because there will always be a sector of society that NEEDS something like this.

When/where can I pay for housing, fuel, and groceries in XMR?

>>57569664

You are right, I'm not using the correct terminology. Look at the pic, what do you call this type of price manipulation? Fractional reserves?

>>57569761
The type being described here would be a fractional reserve scheme, but this is a screenshot of a 4chan post, not meaningful proof.

>>57569761

The lesson here is if you want the XMR price to go up, never keep XMR on the exchanges, withdraw it to your own wallet after you make the trade, this will eliminate fractional reserve price manipulation.

>>57569761
>>57569793
This is massive cope. Binance pauses withdrawals for a bunch of coins, USDC, LTC, BCH, all the time despite having proof of reserves for coins where reserves can be proven. They don't keep everything in immediately accessible hot wallets. Yet over the long run Monero has done no worse than similar old alts like LTC or BCH.

>>57569814

They could be doing a fractional reserve scheme on those coins as well, there's no reason to pause withdrawals for more than 1 day until you move the coins from the cold to the hot wallet. Since Binance is the biggest exchange in the world, they should be doing this every 3-4 hours, or 6-8 times per day. Halting withdrawals for days and weeks on end is highly suspect and leads me to believe they are running an FR scheme.

>>57569840
The largest crypto exchange on earth, which single-handedly exposed FTX for fractional reserve scams, would risk tens of billions in annual revenue from fees just to short one low volume shitcoin that was the most stable alt in the top 100? Before the delisting Monero's volatility was even lower than Bitcoin's. Printing paper Monero so they could short it would have given fuck all for profit relative to what they make from fees.
You absolute retard.

>>57569840
That is the one indeterminate thing I can agree seems inherently sketchy, the length of time withdrawals were suspended made little sense if all they had to do was crack open a couple of offline wallets and transfer the funds. The only realistic explanation I can come up with other than "waiting to get more monero to un-fuck the situation" would be incompetence or laziness.

>>57569871
Have you dealt with their helpdesk? They're not exactly bright and Monero multisigs aren't exactly easy. For all I know a few different poochangs have to go to a dedicated physical location to move funds out of cold storage, all without managing to fuck it up.

>>57569871
Compare Binance to Bitfinex. Every time I've had a stuck withdrawal there I've managed to get a white person reply to my ticket and move my funds within half an hour. Binance takes an eternity to even give a reply. Them being shit is probably a consequence of their size and being staffed by third worlders.

EYES ON THE PRIZE

> SERAPHIS
> JAMTIS
> FULL MEMBERSHIP PROOFS

MONERO IS THE FINAL SOLUTION TO THE TAXMAN QUESTION.

I'm Satoshi

>>57570294

YES! JUST GIMME THE PRIZE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZQUVZKrH3I

everyone that thought binance was operating a fractional reserve for monero has zero experience actually trying to use monero at scale. monerod and its rpc client just aren't well written enough. even honeypots like mymonero had to make huge changes to the client just to run their comparatively tiny centralized wallet.

>>57570294
everything that should have come out 2+ years ago. anyone that wants real privacy isn't going to wait for monero's glowie devs to stop stalling.

>>57569870

They've done this with many other coins in the past anon, RLC being one good example right after their Coinbase listing.

>>57569761
>every is shorting monero because xmrbtc is dumping for 7 years straight
>THAT'S A MANIPULATION BY BINANCE!!!
Imagine missing 2 (almost 3) bull runs because you picked the worst performing asset in all of crypto.

>>57570410
you think on 4 year timelines I'm thinking on 20

>>57570410
What's a good asset to moon and then buy into XMR at a discount?

>>57570410
>Imagine missing 2 (almost 3) bull runs because you picked the worst performing asset in all of crypto.

lol imagine taking this clown market seriously.

$50K BTC soon! Then $75K! Then $100K! Then maybe you'll get so tired of winning you'll also get tired of annoying us poor ignorant losers with your compelling insights.

>>57569870
>risk tens of billions in annual revenue from fees just to short one low volume

Ahh. There we go. The invsisble hand of the market, at work capitalist bro.

Money does not even exist. Its just about power and control. We live in a plutocracy (comunism) IRL.
They were naked shorting monero, not just to make a quick buck. But beacuse they have an agenda to ruin XMR.
Binance bros are the same exteneded family as the FED boys. Its a blood war, where every induvidual acts a whole towards a goal. Rather than every tadpole trying to consume each other. Thats a forced meme for catle like you to help you justify treason agins your own family,race, God and XMR.

XMR is private bank swiss bank account that could change the current govrmental system of the world on one hand. And dump bitcoin ans the rest of the chucky cheze tokens to zero. So it endagerns binance as a whole and their extened family giving orders top/down

>>57570372
>everything that should have come out 2+ years ago.
full membership proofs only got worked 3 months ago you retard.

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vrCAiLPfXlg

the midwit trap

>>57570372
>real privacy
How is XMR privacy not "real privacy"?

>>57570372
>everything that should have come out 2+ years ago
Monero still works and will continue working 2+ years from now or more. We do not need new features, but

> SERAPHIS
> JAMTIS
> FULL MEMBERSHIP PROOFS

are the last thing left to make EVERY government to stop existing.

in the last thread i asked how do improve my hash rate on my intel xeons
and you guys just kept bragging about how AMD is better, i KNOW THAT
i am not paying shit for electricity so its all profit for me and it is what it is i cant get new AMD cpus
so now here is the situation
8 servers with intel xeon 6140M controlled by vmware vsphere each server mining on a ubuntu VM that runs XMRig with 64 cores and 32 gb ram
rx : null;
threads: 64;
huge page: enabled
1 gb pages : disbaled
i get 140 avg hash rate on support monero pool
i believe this is not the maximum output i can get can you guys please be helpful :)

>>57568640
any idea how much Monero per month I could mine with a intel i5 7th gen, 16GB, 250 SSD? It is currently not doing anything now.

>>57570917
no one knows, xmr holders are too poor for intel

>tfw mined 7 USD worth of Monero

>>57571014
Now everyone knows you mined 0.0578990901571547 XMR.

>>57570917
>1 gb pages : disabled
Found your problem. Run xmrig as root with 1gb pages enabled in the config and do pic related. (4chan thinks the command is spam). Adjust the path for your OS and do it for each NUMA node. Also adjust your memory timing if you can, it gave me about 2kh/s on my CPU but I don't know how it's for server RAM.

>>57570930
Check your CPU on xmrig bechmark, but looks like even 13th gen i5's are getting at most 10kh/s. Depending on your electricity cost you might pay more for electricity.

>>57571055
How much worse is the p2pool miner compared to xmrig?

>>57571055
You mean gupax? I think it's just a bundle of all the programs needed, including xmrig.

post rare monerochans

>>57571055
Are 1GB pages even worth it over 2MB pages? Also, for pure a mining rig it might be worth it to reserve huge pages at boot time because doing it at runtime can fail if memory is too fragmented.

>>57571447

>>57571568
in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only CORR

>>57569695
Pleas respon

>>57571634
Buenos Aires already has a grocery store where you can buy everything with Monero.

>>57570917
>1 gb pages : disbaled
1)Enable it. Install Linux if needed.
2)Buy fastest RAM available, this way you can increase hash rate significantly. And RAM is cheap anyway.

why is he always hating on Monero?

>>57571769
His Monero videos are just talking points trying to get people who don't know much on his side. If he cared about discussing it seriously he'd go on a Monero podcast or invite other people on his channel. The whole "I respect the Monero devs and community, they're so smart!" is also pretty funny and self-refuting as he's implying he is smarter because he understands that Monero is trash and the devs don't.

>>57571769
>this is your brain on bitcoin
When you really believe this one coin has real value and all others do not then there's no point talking is there?
some samourai people are friendly, some are not.

>>57569695
Check out https://monerica.com
It has all the info you could ever need about spending your Monero.

>>57571769
As the only crypto that has proven capable of overcoming Bitcoin's network effect, Monero makes maxipads genuinely anxious so they feel compelled to FUD.

The salty Bitfag that has been annoying us lately is another such case.

>>57571815
>When you really believe this one coin has real value and all others do not then there's no point talking is there?

He doesn't really believe in BTC either, he didn't accept BTC as payment for his bullshit course until very recently. He's just another grifter making money by exploiting delusional bagholders.

>>57571906
>he didn't accept BTC as payment for his bullshit course until very recently
It's a store of value. Not a payment system. Just use the banks, bro.

Can someone who's running the official wallet try to verify a ReserveProof?

You can issue one from Advanced -> Prove/Check -> fill in just the amount (less than what you have on the wallet) -> Press Generate.

I cannot figure out how to verify it though. It should be possible to just paste it below the generator into the Signature field but the Check button doesn't get enabled when I do that so I'm at a loss.

Help please?

we must take over the world and retake back our government with the use of monero

>>57570294
Coming in 202...8

>>57571960
Same issue for me in the GUI wallet. Tried Feather as well but it doesn't have the feature to check a ReserveProof.
I got it in the CLI wallet though.

>>57572214
Thanks for checking anon. I guess it's a bug in the GUI wallet.

Monero-chan is healing!

>>57571634
Monero market io.
I will buy you what you need for XMR.(legal stuff)
5% premium

you virgins actually hold monero for investing instead of just for buying drugs? are you gay?

>>57572669
>actually hold monero for investing

Why is this so triggering for cryptotards?

>>57572730
they view crypto as a team sport and market cap as the score. heaven forbid anyone recognizes the marketable utility of a fungible digital currency.

>>57570703
You yourself have said that the price of Monero has little bearing on its use as a currency in dark and gray markets. That dumping it would have little effect on the ability to buy and sell with it.
Plus if the largest exchange was naked shorting Monero then it would have dumped through the bear market. But it didn't dump at all, shit crabbed harder than anything. They could have sent it to any price they wanted and instead it stayed stable.

>>57572669
We can see forward into the future being prepared by the WEF where Monero is extremely valuable.

>>57572929
hmm you make a convincing argument with monero-chan

monerochan

>>57572896
It did not dump during bear markets because its has a bottom line as a functional crypto on the DNM. There is a limit to how much you can naked short. It is still based on demand of XMR on people buying it and holding it on exchanges (ei extreme speculators, bot buys by an mcap algorithm). Which is mostly present during speculative bullmarkets. That is why xmr did not pump follow the irrational random pumping. While resisting collpase during bear markets like shitcoins. Bitcoin also does not have a bottom line, and when They* are done playing with it. I see no reason why it souldnt go zero

>>57572929
that future is already here anon, or aren’t you paying attention

>>57574199
Half of the US refusing to take the kike spike pushed that back at least a decade.

>>57572047

Let's goooooooo!

>>57572047

Let's goooooo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt86LvuH_Z8

>>57574118
>the price didn't go down
>ahhhh Binance must be naked shorting
If they were printing Monero the price would have done at least something. It did absolutely nothing. The recent crash to $100 is proof that dumping the supply on Binance would have been more than enough to crash the price. But it was more stable than even Bitcoin Cash and Litecoin, two coins which Binance provides proof of reserves for.
The level of cope here is amazing. Paper monero wouldn't have hurt its use on DNMs and wouldn't have given them any profit relative to what they make in fees, while presenting a ton of risk to Binance. There's zero rational case for it.

>>57574390
Plus the US gov has Binance by the balls now. You think they wouldn't use proof of naked shorting as evidence against them in revenge for losing FTX and their golden boy SBF? You know, the exchange that was actually printing paper crypto before Binance stopped them.

>>57574406

Are you saying Monero is a shitcoin?

>>57574465
I'm saying that an alt crabbing after its initial hype cycle isn't some big conspiracy.

>>57571769
A faggot who sniffes his own farts. His content is nothing but mental masturbation and his price predictions are trash, too.

>>57574489

There are only two real coins, BTC and XMR, all others are shit.

>>57574538
>BTC
>real coin

>>57570930
You'd be better off slapping a bigger SSD in there and running a public node.

Binance being forced to delist is broadcasting to the world that monero is a threat,feeling good about this to be honest lads

>>57576137
>but they are delisting monero so you would think is threat to the system, it is acktually a honeypot. and they're allowing bitcoin because bitcoin is the real threat

Looks like we are unironically bleeding down to $60 again...

>>57576584

$60? Good!

/me Proceeds to place $2 billion limit buy order at $60.

>>57576584
>unironically
as opposed to ironically bleeding to $60?

>>57569664
>most
>only went down 25% in value
>people who knew about monero before the current cycle didn't even lose anything
buying above $140 was silly in the first place

Do you guys think that XMR will be looked back on as the catalyst for popping this nearest crypto bubble that we're in? It's clear that we're in bed with a bunch of phony grifters that heckin "love" the blockchain space... as if

>>57577613
no, its just the start / advance of the current KYC/surveillance-oriented paradigm thats driving bitcoin's value this cycle. once conventional finance has its way with bitcoin the bubble will burst as they dump its body by the side of the road. but i expect it to gain for the foreseeable future

>>57572669
savings is deferred consumption. holding xmr for my future blow purchases

>>57578234
>holding xmr for my future blow purchases

This Is The Way.

How many years till the WEF bankers transition BTC into proof of stake?

>buy some xmr
>send to dnm
>decide on what to buy
>meanwhile xmr dumps 50%
>can't afford meth any more
>rape.jpg

>>57577921
meanwhile there's more anonymized coins on bitcoin than monero's marketcap in total

monero failed because there's nothing else to do on it to justify centralized parties' support. a bunch of centralized and decentralized anonymous pools of bitcoin are only a tiny percentage of bitcoin itself, easily ignored by the jewish players but still able to use the network and rails.

if you haven't realized there's no future in any of this without a strong future for bitcoin you should pack up and find some other market to gamble in, because after 15 years you still haven't realized what any of this is.

>>57578793
ay yes, so anonymous that no new DNM has accepted BTC at all in years

>>57578793
>no future in any of this without a strong future for bitcoin

Behold how desperately the maxifag endeavors to keep his wash-traded memecoin part of the conversation.

Sorry, pal. Bitcoin has failed miserably as a medium of exchange, nobody actually uses it as a store of value and all it has going for it now are its legions of deluded bagholders who still believe they can become millionaires just by hoarding it. Doesn't exactly bode well for the future.

>>57578793
>justify centralized parties' support
And you would need this... why?

>>57578793
>brain damage

>>57578928
nobody holding bitcoin is desperate for anything. we already won years before monero even forked from bytecoin.

>>57578950
because without it you get monero. an alt only used on drug markets that needs to be dumped for something else before it can re-enter the economy.

the lack of rails means no matter what the demand for xmr is, there's always equal selling pressure undermining it.

how do i use a foreign CEX as an american so i can buy monero and other coins that our kiked govt shuts down any american CEX for hosting? is a VPN all you need or do you need more elaborate shit like a fake address in europe or something

>>57579205
>nobody holding bitcoin is desperate for anything. we already won years before monero even forked from bytecoin.

How the hell are you not tired from all that winning?! What gives you the strength to keep warning us about how doomed Monero is?


>because without it you get monero. an alt only used on drug markets

lol until very recently, it was Bitcoin that dominated the online drug markets. Therein lies the lesson, you dunce.


>that needs to be dumped for something else before it can re-enter the economy.

Not re-entering the mainstream economy is precisely the goal, you unmitigated retard. WTF do you think a circular economy is?

>>57579434
i used to use monero before it became clear the developers with either compromised or not capable of maintaining it.
i simply find the cope from xmr baggies about bitcoin entertaining. the way you all pretend not to care about it or keep foretelling it's demise without realizing that you're no different to all the buttcoin people that spent 13 years seething.

>>57579268
p2p. centralized exchanges with any volume aren't carrying it that don't also restrict by location.

>>57578234
wish i had your discipline, i basically spend my xmr as soon as i get it because i'm a ravenous degenerate

I'm Satoshi

>>57579633
>i simply find the cope from xmr baggies about bitcoin entertaining.

Cool. Now how about you enjoy the cope show in mesmerized silence?

XMR bagging while I scoop up precious electricity on offlease servers to mine xmr
Doesn't this sound like the infancy days of a few famous coins

>>57578928
bitcoin is a store of value for a future xmr purchase - but I haven't decided when I'm going to dump most of my btc, since it's still useful for random sites

Are the XMR whales waiting to buy?

>>57579764
>17 posts by this ID
i think the few that still enjoy these generals would prefer you cease posting in them yourself.

>>57579877
There is no place for whales to buy anymore...

>>57569064
>while we have fun staying poor.
This, but unironically.

>>57579746
hi craig!
how's the copa and seetha trial going?

>>57579895
I think we all appreciate both you and OP for keeping the thread afloat.

>>57570836
>> SERAPHIS
>> JAMTIS
>> FULL MEMBERSHIP PROOFS
Explain, please

>>57579877
Not a single actual XMR enjoyer used Binance. What the fuck are you talking about retard

Congratulations to your -30% value in the past year, retards.

>>57580779
I like XMR and still use Binance.

how much monero to make it?

>>57581157
Unknown amount.

>>57580779
this, and i've only ever bought XMR 3 times on Binance, 2 of which were delayed for withdrawal for several days with no reasonable explanation from Binance at all.
That made me drop it and move to Kraken, i can't imagine someone who buys regularly dealing with this shit.

>>57580963
This is your brain on moon sugar.

>>57580779
>>57580779
But I'm not talking about binance, just about Monero enjoyers waiting for the price to drop after they delist it.

>>57580462
HOW TO LEARN ABOUT
>>> SERAPHIS
>>> JAMTIS
>>> FULL MEMBERSHIP PROOFS

https://github.com/seraphis-migration/strategy/wiki/Seraphis-Wallet-Workgroup
https://gist.github.com/tevador/50160d160d24cfc6c52ae02eb3d17024?permalink_comment_id=4708153
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrCAiLPfXlg
https://github.com/MoneroKon/meta/blob/61fd7c2caabd30d3bb4d1bbd4ca631e6e01196dd/slides/2023/Luke%20Parker%20Full%20Chain%20Membership%20Proofs%20MoneroKon%202023.pdf

>>57579434
I like Monero and the community is generally smart (except you). But being a maxi about it and avoiding Bitcoin is doing yourself a disservice.

>>57580779
I used Binance plenty. Good rates are good rates. Once it's withdrawn it makes no difference where it was bought.

>>57581778
>avoiding Bitcoin is doing yourself a disservice.
There's nothing wrong with avoiding Bitcoin as a currency, as it's now considered more of an "investment vehicle." Bitcoin was an indispensable step in the evolution of digital currency, but Monero is currently the most natural step forward.

>>57579268

www.tradeogre.com, no vpn needed, only an email address, they charge a 0.2% fee per transaction

>>57581778
>avoiding Bitcoin is doing yourself a disservice.
Yea no hahhaha.kek even
I boycot your bitcorn nigger coin. I use LTC, it has low fees when i need fiat to XMR converter.
Atom for is good as dex and interchain for smart contracts. (No idea why people still use eth).

why did my 2017 bags drop 25%

>>57580779
Not true, I used binance because it's better than a 10% haircut.

>>57583572
What's the cheapest option now

>>57581157
69 XMR

>>57584280
>encrypting and holding the futures of multiple redditors in the palm of your hand

powerful

xmrbros... did we lose?

>>57585088
lose what?

>>57584280
>just holding it
>not transacting it

>>57585160
it has a lower supply curve than gold

are you spending your gold daily, no, fuck yourself retard

>>57585088
our XMR in a boating accident? yes.

>>57582472
tor allowed?

>>57586003
i used tor browser worked. but damn it's such an ugly website and the ux is horrible.

still it works and no kyc.

3 BTC
3 BCH
XX XMR

>>57586151
>whining about ux
>>>/lgbt/

simple, buy xrp, dump it at its top after the fedbois pump it, then drain it all into monero.

>>57583146
litecoin and monero the two most unpumpable coins in this cycle.

>>57586985
They are the only two non-clownworld coins

everyone else is getting filthy rich

>>57587225

>>57587142
HFSP i guess!

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1707793841128089.webm

>>57587225
>everyone else is getting filthy rich

On paper lol. The real fun starts when the deluded masses start trying to cash out only to discover they can't because that liquidity doesn't actually exist.

The biggest losers in the end will be the ones that took this clown market seriously.

>>57583917
Kraken has monero, probably that.

>>57588585
>The terminally online loser spamming all the XMR generals is a reddit Buttcoiner
these threads make so much more sense now

>>57589358
Come up with better shitposts.

How much time until xmr hit 160 again?

>>57589675

Within a week after Feb. 20th.

When Feb. 20th comes, it will hit the news again (Monero delisted from Binance) and the normalfags will sell, the price might go down again, then it will recover within a week.

>>57589710
why would it hit the news again?
and how would normalfags sell if it's been delisted? do they have the mental capacity to figure out p2p trading?

>>57589665
first come up with something that isn't a regurgitation of decade old obsolete cope from buttcoiners.
all failed alts end up like this, and monero's community is likely too deep to claw its way back out again.

>>57590060
if we were so irrelevant you wouldn't have to be here

>>57588585
damn. so it's just cope then.

>hold btc
>Swing into xmr after the bull run ends

Anyone else doing this? Just use institute money to acquire more xmr. I think xmr will be the new tether and will slowly displace the entire crypto market.

>>57590426
>Just use institute money to acquire more xmr.
this is my play as well.

>>57590097
This is biz. Bullying bagholders is popular regardless of the coin. Monero maxis just make it easy by insisting Bitcoin will go to zero

Can we get GOG to accept Monero? Who wants to submit it to their feature wishlist? https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site#search=xmr

I notice these threads sleep on KuCoin, been great for me with XMR

XMR is literally the only cryptocurrency I actually use as one, and the fact it's still kicking despite no normie awareness, delisting, etc is very strong in itself

What can I expect next year from 11 xmr?

>>57590880
>kucoin
kycuckery
>11
you need more

>>57590471
wow, so you're one of the popular guys, fuck man, I wish I was popular on an anonymous imageboard

isn't it kind of ironic that a cuck such as yourself is arguing for full surveillance of your actions while posting on an anon board, almost like you have a very low iq and don't understand basic concepts

don't worry your opinion is irrelevant and our victory only becomes sweeter with each moron defeated

what is the real reason why binance is delisting XMR?

>>57590976
People keep withdrawing so they can't papertrade.

>>57590880
>What can I expect next year
a rope

>>57590976
jews got involved

>>57590976
to paraphrase nph from starship troopers "it's afraid"

I'm Satoshi

>>57590976
Binance has been under pressure with regulators for about 3/4 months now. They're on thin ice as it is as the company has likely not been ran squeaky clean for a long time now. To relieve some pressure, they're trying to give regulators a bone but delisting their no. 1 enemy: Monero (2nd. ZCash).
Honestly, I've been working in crypto for a while and I have no clue why so many people use Binance, it has always been a shady company. But I guess greed conquers all.

>>57592443
Until recently their crypto card was the best around. I'm using panda now, but they don't have xmr.

>>57586985
>unpumpable coins
Pump coins... only 0.1% of bitfagots sold at the top. Most lost value to USD. What even is a random u organic pump? A meme at this point. Not to metion the clowecomics of the crypto speculator value on top of that.

>>57572331
We are so back.

>>57593545
xmr was never gone
>>57590926
>kycuckery
dex and swap or kycfree cex only

>>57589358
>Anybody who doesn't take this highly irrational and demonstrably fraudulent clown market seriously is a reddit Buttcoiner.

Brilliant take, genius.

>>57593715
I could fix them

>>57592652
I'm not talking about UX. I'm talking about their operations, which was always shady.
Binance have always done a good job of attracting customers with a lat of savvy features that others were somehow not able to provide.

https://youtu.be/aHv2gq4Wm5I?si=JOCJLTGVv-RobiBV

>>57590581
Why don't you do it?

>>57590581
baby steps anon
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site#search=crypto

>>57597288
>And with XMR, you actually have to wait 20 minutes (!!) before you can SEND again. So an hour to spend received funds, and in XMR that wait plus an extra 20 minute wait for each send (not to mention XMR's privacy was proven to be cracked for many years--privacy is the raison d'etre of XMR so its a got some usability issues).

>>57597288
>>57597308
>not to mention XMR's privacy was proven to be cracked for many years--privacy is the raison d'etre of XMR so its a got some usability issues
the ball is in your court chud

>>57590426
i'm guessing the best move is to buy bitcoin at the end of the bear (say after halving preferably a dump), sell bitcoin when it tops out (70-80 weeks after halving) for usdt, buy xmr when it bottoms out (120-130 weeks after halving)...

>>57594092
Well, I for one like some degree of shadiness and try to stay away from the bright lights.

>>57597308
Full post reads like bot spam.

>>57598399

Their fear is palpable.

>>57597308
>>57599768
I kinda agree that wallets and services are too conservative with how many confirmations they need. 1 is usually good enough, 3 if really paranoid, but 10 is too much.

How monero devs plan to fix the blockchain size problem? It's probably 200gb by now

>just use pruned mode
Please.

comfy

>>57600000
whoa...

>>57600000
Checked

>>57600000

>>57599987
1tb ssd is like 5 bucks and bandwidth is so cheap
if you can afford that just connect to a trusted remote node

>>57600000
checked

posting in a sticky

>>57600018
>>57600074
6 gorillion

>>57600000

Would be hilarious if we slowly creep back up to 0.0035.
Thanks for the cheapies Binance.

>>57599920
Block reward + fees are worth <$100 in a single block. To be safe total miner rewards should exceed the amount settled. Even 10 blocks is <$1000 settled, not really that conservative.

>>57600383
What kind of stupid arbitrary rule is this? Is there a service you can use to hikack the block chain easily for x amount of money? No? Then a couple conf

>>57600520
It's how security works
https://archive.is/u4Axq

I got my first mining pool payout today.

Ganbatte

Its coming........

>Actually going up for a change

>>57601650
Based. There's nothing quite like spending funny internet money you printed on your computer.

>>57596994
>>57597288
>>57590581

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/accept_monero_xmr

Done, added. Go vote for it. If you don't have an account, make one with just email and vote. Let's make this suggestion get more votes that even the generic "accept crypto" suggestion to show them we mean business. Cause I mean business, I want to buy my games with Monero.

Convincing someone like Steam will be really hard given how disappointed Steam was with BTC fees and unpredictability of when TXs confirm, but GOG has it's own little niche, with DRM-free games and lots of old DOS games. I believe we can convince them.

So many posts about the price. I thought you guys didn't care about the price? kek

>>57601650
Which pool and why were you waiting?

>>57600000
We're all gonna be comfy bros.

I haven't kept up with the news these past months. Can you guys tell me what was this dump?

>>57603234
Binance delisting announcement.

>>57603243
Oh, I see. Thanks.

>>57568613
Bump

Here are some redpills about USDTranny if someone wants them.

We collecting them moneros gang!

>>57603890
whos this simon dimon

>>57582472
If only they allowed ltc to xmr swap that would be dope I have to use othet exchangers or local monero

I'm Satoshi

I've got 6 moneros now.

>>57602591
I'll vote later tonight. I already added a similar request once, not focused only on xmr but crypto as a general. Big bussiness are scared of crypto and monero is the scarier of all crypto so i wouldnt get my hopes up.

>>57599987
It's not a "problem". That's how crypto is. Real crypto, not some scams. I'm still using BTC Core with full blockchain. What is the problem, though, is that there's no hard limit for XMR block size. But for some coming years, it will be still pretty easy to handle full blockchain on SSD. For now it's much smaller than BTC.

>>57599987
>>57605895
Also tx size is going to go down with full membership proofs.

>>57603798
Oh good, that means I don't have any risk exposure holding USDT long enough to transfer and buy XMR in efficient TX sizes.

>>57605936
That's not true. Tx sizes will increase.

>>57607831
>Tx sizes will increase.
not by much tho

>>57605895
FCMPs rely on ZKPs, which in theory can have their on-chain footprint drastically compressed with recursion e.g. one proof validating hundreds, thousands of other proofs. This in combination with growing storage capacities is the solution for long-term scaling.

>>57568640
Should I switch from monero ocean?

>>57609909
I switched to monero ocean from p2pool mini. Too low of a hash-rate that it doesn't get many blocks, you can go a day without payouts.
Ordered myself two AMD EPYC processors and I'll try p2pool main when they arrive.

>>57601916
Unspeakably based

>>57609952
Yeah that's what I thought.
Post hashrate when you get it. I'm mining from 3 5950x, looking to add more

most undervalued coin, privacy will always be a narrative

>>57609999
Checked and based.
Currently I'm on one 5900x at 13.8kh/s.

I've been trying to sell monero on localmonero and so far it's just been scammer jeets. One trade even got canceled by the admins.

>ethereum but private and not a scam
Is there such a thing?

>>57610243
That's actually pretty good. My 5950x averages like 18-24khs, maybe I have to try compiling newer software and fiddle with the bios again

shipped #89 this week. there are 100 in total.

>>57611462
forgor image

>>57611478
she comfy

>>57611478
no fumo guro pls

>>57610631
No. Chain size with smart contracts plus privacy would be like 1TB/yr.

>>57610481
lol skill issue anon. scammers are annoying on local Monero at this point ban india from accessing local monero.

>>57612587
>at this point ban india from existing
ftfy

>>57612634
Thank you anon!

You ever see a post so profoundly stupid that you can't tell if it's bait or not?
Anyways new cope just dropped: too much privacy

>>57613506
On second thought that's not a new cope!
Sound money safe mode

/baggot/

>>57610631
check out dark.fi
it will be merge mining with xmr, as well.

just got paid, going to slurp some more but i swear to god if it dumps again i'm holding you all responsible

Has this bug mentioned here been fixed?

>>57614383
Yes, there have been hardforks since then ensuring everyone is on the new software.

>>57614247
You got yourself to blame anon stop being a moon fag. Its getting on my fucking nerve, but continue to invest in a coin that will never moon. Ill gladly take your money! We need to fund our attacks!

I asked CDkeys.com to add Monero, hope they do, they already accept mainstream cryptos.

>>57614059
>merge mining with xmr
Looks very based, thank you, anon.

>>57614632
i'm not a moonfag, i just want to not have to pay more for drugs

>>57614717
>CDkeys.com
Is g2a/kinguin worse or better?

>>57612587
I was just surprised because monero market seems to be mostly legit, both on the vendor and customer side. I wish it was possible to filter accounts with no successful trades.

>>57613506
>You ever see a post so profoundly stupid that you can't tell if it's bait or not?

Yeah, compliance bros have completely overtaken crypto, its nauseating.

>>57614632
There's a difference between a moonfag and someone complaining when their stack suddenly dumps 50% in value. The latter makes actually doing business using monero hard because a price dump can just wipe out all your profits and even put you below break even. It's only good for hoarders who don't use it.

>>57568613
pedo coin

>>57615907
what

I did it. I managed to sell some monero on localmonero.

Really needs a Rising Sun headband.

>>57605787
yeah they are scared but who knows, worst case we get a highly rated suggestion mentioning Monero. I'll take the free advertisement too.

We're up to 5 votes now. How many do you think we can potentially reach? This thread has 121 posters. Out of those how many are here to shit? We should be able to get to 50 votes as a first milestone quite easily I think.

>>57568613
>Morphtoken

>Finnish police claim they have managed to trace monero

>Tom Hagen transferred 13 million in the cryptocurrency to alleged kidnappers after his wife disappeared. The recipient has been untraceable. But now there is startling news from Finland.

Ransombros, it's so over...

>>57618191
Those Finns... How can the CIA and IRS even compete?

But does the xmr future contract stay on Binance?

Reminder that moonfags get the rope.

I was away for a while, what happened to cause this dump?

>>57619292
Act like the rules have changed. Lurk more faggot.

Get paid in Monero. Convince businesses to accept Monero. Spend your hard earned Monero on the goods and services that you need.

>>57615402
CDkeys have more consistent low prices across all games unlike those

>>57619371
As on board I am with that, lurking moneromarket has taken the scales from my eyes in that regard. The only non-illicit things people want to spend monero on is private email, simping for e-girls, and precious metal or fiat conversion. I wish it wasn't the case, but its just the way it is.

>>57618191
>Finland’s National Bureau of Investigation reportedly tracked Monero transactions as part of an investigation over Julius Aleksanteri Kivimäki’s criminal trial. Kivimäki is accused of hacking a private mental health firm’s database and demanding ransom payments in cryptocurrencies.

>According to reports, the funds were later sent to Binance, exchanged for Bitcoin again, and moved to different wallets. The local authorities are maintaining confidentiality and have not disclosed any further details about their on-chain analysis.

GEE I WONDER WHERE THE FEDS GOT THE INFO

>>57620391
Check Monerica.

>>57619371
What incentive is there for businesses to do that?

>>57620391
What about https://kyun.host/?

>>57618191

This retard uploaded his fucking home folder.

>>57620391
>The only non-illicit things

Rome wasn't built in a day, sir. It's a good start.

>>57615840
I agree with you anon!

>>57620721
>What incentive is there for businesses to do that?

Keeping shit off the books, employees may be willing to accept a minor paycut to receive XMR.

>>57615907
prove it

>>57616389
Alright!!! what payment method you do!

>>57621682
>prove it

Its pretty clear pedos are adopting XMR. But that's just a testament to its efficacy, so no need to downplay it.

>>57615907
and

>>57620510
The guy also uploaded his home directory along with the stolen database, kek.

>>57621704
Do you think attacks on monero will only just increase?

Thoughts on the RandomX ASIC? Does it provide a better value than Ryzens or is there some jew-jutsu beyond the raw watt/hash ratio (the ASIC wins out in €/hash)

>>57601055
Bro lmao your link is like a Bible of bullshit. Security works until it doesn’t and your arbitrary rule is just that. You know Bitcoin people were going with zero conf for awhile? You don’t know what you are talking about and it’s a stupid scare tactic to link that much bullshit. Monero with 1-2 conf practically speaking is secure and not going to get any type of massive botnet attack to rewrite the blockchain. Hasn’t happened and when it does you can pull your big fucking security doc out and try to say you were right. 0 conf sure that had flaws obviously lol but also still useful

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>>57621514
Until such time, I'm no longer fighting that current my friend.

>>57621690
A holocausty bank transfer.

>>57622872
Indeed anon tell me where you got the gif mate its sooo cute!

>>57623074
4chan.org

>>57621704
Are you stupid? The article repeatedly highlights that most buyers use Bitcoin to *purchase* illicit content. Sellers predominantly utilize Monero to *launder* the money, a practice they previously conducted through centralized exchanges (CEX) and are now favoring swaps.

Apparently, pedos are dumb enough to conduct their purchases using the OG transparent surveillance coin. It's quite fitting for them. Once all the Bitcoin pedos are rightfully surveilled, identified and arrested, Monero will be the only coin used, hopefully for better things like drugs.