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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

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Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

>buy monero
>spend monero
>save monero
>sell things priced in monero
>campaign to ban fiat-denominated property taxes in your area
The fewer "cash out" events we have, the stronger the Moneroconomy gets. If a town or a state can ban property taxes on owner-inhabited primary residences it becomes much easier to avoid needing to cash out once the mortgage is gone.

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Monero-only bullion shop
https://monerometals.com/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.win/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Hectate Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Smackers
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
>Wizard's Palace #
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fknwLx6q


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

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>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.


>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total BTC = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings BTC would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per BTC and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

>>57485222
It's getting delisted left and right.

>>57485810
delisting monero isn't even a debate given how tiny the revenue xmr markets generate vs the increasing cost of compliance. you want your white market customers to overshadow your black market customers and subsidize them so they can hide, but monero by design has no way to prove you're a white market customer.

>>57485810
>muh decentralization
>but... but... the exchange has to be centralised and (((compliant)))!!!
Monero delisting is a good thing.

>>57485810
>It's getting delisted left and right.

Yes. Quite a ringing endorsement of its efficacy.

Which coin would you trust more, the one being banned or the one Uncle Sam is OK with you using?

>>57485960
That's why gray markets are the future, clearnet but XMR only.

>>57485810
>hey guys i’m a cuck

>>57485960
>you want your white market customers to overshadow your black market customers

Only grey/black markets are truly permissionless. White markets are by definition subject to State interference.

>>57486089
>That's why gray markets are the future

This.

>clearnet but XMR only.

Clearnet = permissioned white market: regulations up the ass, no anonymity, domains can be seized, hosts can be pressured to drop "unsavory" clients, IRS knows where to find you.

Darknet = permissionless grey/black market: no regulations, full anonymity, domains can't be seized, hosts can't be discerned, IRS don't got a clue.

So, grey darknet markets are the future. Think buying Monero-chan stickers on an I2P domain.

>>57486194
>Clearnet = permissioned
This, even localmonero is compromised and delists Russia and other countries. Clearnet will always get compromised by the (((powers that be))).

reminder that tards who tell people to hodl fiat get the rope

>>57485293
>If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable
It's already at 43k. You might want to update this.

>>57485222
XMR shilled on /biz/ = dump soon

>>57486113
There has always been a state in some form, whether tribal chiefs, kings, dictators, or modern democracy. 90% of people need a state to rule over them. The current problem isn't the existence of the state and regulated markets, it's that democracy blows chunks and needs to be replaced.

>>57486806
Grey and black markets are for use by the 10% and for farming money from the 90%.

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>>57487069
The 90% are never participating in your markets, not without high liquidity, easy on/off ramps, and popular endorsement. You're not farming money off them. Unless you're counting South Americans pressed into working as drug mules.

>>57487421
You seem to misunderstand, the people I'm describing are retards like drug addicts who probably do need a state but are driven to non-state markets out of desperation.

>>57487461
Drug addicts are a symptom of a shitty world caused by bad money and bad politics. Fix the system and addiction goes away. You should aspire to more than a shittier world as your primary use case.

>>57487295
>no pic

>>57473338
>>57473624
>>57473652
Beans have been obtained. I'll post the link as soon as the MoneroMarket jannies approve the listing.

>>57487745
....and it's up! Come get some coffee, anons.
https://moneromarket.io/listing/cf583025-a915-420e-af9d-4833fb2fd39c

>>57487853
>selling for $41.60
>I can buy them from their website for $22, plus they're offering a 10% off coupon

What’s good /xmr/ I have a small amount of monero on kucoin and Jew York is shaloming the entire site here so I need to know how I can convert the XMR and move it to another wallet for liquidation or if I want to hold it what wallets support monero and are Jew York friendly

>>57487853
Shit, amazon has these for $18.90 and free shipping.

>>57487921
I'm not Amazon. Shipping costs me money. I can lower the price but not that far.

>>57487853
>>57487921
Do nootropics actually do anything or is it just another consumables buzzword

>>57487975
It's mild but it does a little bit.

>>57487880
Shipping is like 10 bucks on those. I can go to 0.15 XMR all-in with free shipping but that's it.


>>57487917
Just self custody you retard, use the official GUI wallet. Why would a wallet need to care about legislation? An address is an address, a key is a key.

>>57488069
>Just self custody you retard, use the official GUI wallet.
Buddy I am 38 I have no idea what any of this means. I was using Coinbase and kucoin since I heard about and got into crypto, and I’m about to lose one of them. I didn’t grow up with computers like you. If you point me in the right direction I’ll try making my own wallet but that sounds complicated

>>57487550
Eliminating money is a huge step to a better world. Look at all that money has wrought

>>57488127
"Make your own wallet" is what you should be doing.

https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#gui

Download that, install it, go through the instructions on setting up a new wallet, save your seed phrase somewhere physically secure (this is the ONLY WAY to recover your coins if you break your wallet), and then withdraw from KuCoin to your new wallet's address. Don't keep any crypto on any exchange any longer than you absolutely need to, but moreso with Monero.

>>57488137
You're confusing fiat with money.

>>57488127
Just follow this bald guy here
>https://youtu.be/qPNxca_KMww

How would Monero's value even be determined if it was completely divorced from fiat?
Isn't the value of a currency dependent on what you can buy with it?

>>57488351
1 XMR = 1 XMR. Everything else gets priced in terms of Monero. It's just how we describe prices today in the fiat system.

>>57485270
>>save monero
>>57485810
>>57487917
>>57488351
KYS MOONNIGGERS
YOU DO NOT BELONG

>>57488365
And if the feds keep playing whackamole with the markets & delist it everywhere?
1 USD = 1 USD, but the paper (or in this case the crypto) isn't worth anything in of itself; it is a currency, only as good as what it can buy.

As we say, don't stack it, spend it.
But how do we determine worth once there is no point of comparison, electricity prices? Time?
Is there going to be a radical price shift once the hammer truly comes down?

>>57488442
Moon implies an orbit, I'm talking about Zero-G

>>57488461
you absolutely should stack fungible currencies in a reasonable proportion, have a survival amount that you deem acceptable, like 5 ounces of gold or whatever, same with monero

>>57488194
No, I’m not. same thing. Money needs to go

>>57488155
Thanks anon

I'm Satoshi

>>57488596
Why? Money solves the coincidence of wants. Allows people to save and engage in long term planning. What flaws warrant eliminating it?

>>57486089
but those have already failed since they've all launched too late. the time for monero to cement its relevance was in 2018, when delisting it was a decision to be made. today there's no question about whether it's worth keeping or supporting.

>>57486113
no, because the biggest white market today in crypto is price speculation. the problem for monero (like all alts) is that it's had its fun years ago and newer alts have taken over for speculation.

if it had kept with tech upgrades like dropping ring signatures half a decade ago and creating something that wasn't as awkward to use as non-custodial lightning is today, it might have had a chance at staying relevant in the payments world where privacy isn't a primary concern.

alts must evolve constantly or they die at least in speculative terms, and speculation is how an alt becomes embedded in an economy willing to stick up for it long term, instead of dropping it when the going gets touch as has happened.

>>57487921
You are merchant re-seller. The thing XMR was made to exterminate.
There are prople on marketio. that will buy anything for fiat at a 5% mark for xmr.
Either become usefull or kys

>>57488850
leave moonfag

>>57488947
if monero isn't to be speculated on (which as we all know is just cope from those who recognize its failure to perform against btc for years now) then you're asking for an entire new ecosystem to emerge without any incentives for those building it.

it's obvious you haven't been here long enough to remember when monero was both relevant and inescapable, two things it has since lost.

>>57488596
Money is only leaving once automation reaches singularity levels which requires reproductive rights to be curbed
It also requires the complete dissolution of private land ownership.

Congrats, you're on the same side as the commies in the WEF.

>>57489020
you don't belong here. moonfags get the rope

>>57485222
what’s going on in the development world of xmr right now? anything exciting?

>>57489061
just because you late adopters got screwed in price doesn't mean a retail rejection of monero is desirable. do you even realize how the current state of monero's rudimentary privacy technology works?

>>57489020
It's worse than no incentives, it's disincentives, since everything sells for a premium relative to identical goods on regular markets. Not including fees for swapping to Monero, extra inconvenience. Only really works for purely black markets that have no other recourse.

>>57489112
delays, delays, and more delays. it's near impossible to incentivize development when the community of definitely not glowing users reject any and all flaws in monero as "fud" and create a hostile environment for improving anything.

in it's current state monero is worse than bitcoin has ever been for making changes to it's core technology, which is a problem when monero more than anything else needs regular privacy upgrades. dropping ring signatures should have happened before 2021, instead the pool of available developers has shrunk and almost all the talent working in this field has moved elsewhere.

>>57489128
the premium isn't the biggest problem, it's the symptom of no interest. if bitcoin can't create a parallel white market economy what chance does monero have?
speculation was monero's way to force a consistent white market, but the developers dropped the ball and left monero stagnant for years despite a very lucrative 6 month hard fork schedule you will find next to nowhere else in crypto.

>>57488461
>And if the feds keep playing whackamole with the markets & delist it everywhere?
>1 USD = 1 USD, but the paper (or in this case the crypto) isn't worth anything in of itself; it is a currency, only as good as what it can buy.

What is the value of an anonymized p2p payment system that is so effective that governments don't want you using it?

>>57489202
Seraphis and Jamtis were promising, but were announced in 2021. Haven't heard anything concrete about full membership proofs either since that tranny gave his talk a year ago. Even the big influencers like sethforprivacy jumped ship to Bitcoin. There's still mentaloutlaw, but he spent as much time shilling whackd and wownero.

>>57488850
>no, because the biggest white market today in crypto is price speculation. the problem for monero (like all alts) is that it's had its fun years ago and newer alts have taken over for speculation.

Get a load of this retard.

This ain't about speculation, you wetbrained windowlicker, its about parallel economies and grey market commerce. Google "agorism".


>if it had kept with tech upgrades like dropping ring signatures half a decade ago

Not how responsible crypto dev works, numbnuts, you don't just drop proven and battle-tested tech for bleeding-edge experimental solutions that haven't proven themselves yet.


>it might have had a chance at staying relevant in the payments world where privacy isn't a primary concern.

Yes, the coin that is currently driving BTC out of the only 100%-crypto economy in existence and establishing a monopoly on payments is losing relevance. Moron.


>speculative terms, and speculation is how an alt becomes embedded in an economy willing to stick up for it long term

How is it possible to be THIS stupid?! I am genuinely fascinated.

>>57485222
Nice digits. Still a pedo coin though

>>57489250
However many bullets & rations I can buy with it.
The question is is how do we determine the price once the plug is pulled on every white market?
Crypto is a metaphysical battery; a measure of energy.
Money is ideally a measure of labor, but what labor went into the creation of an XMR, the cost it took to buy the CPU?
That's still measured in fiat.

Until we see 3D printed computers & self sufficient grids, I don't think we'll see XMR take off as a parallel economy.

>>57489020
>its failure to perform against btc for years now

MUH PRICE ACTION

>>57489348
coming across that sethforprivacy guy every now and then makes him just look like a negative for whatever community he attaches himself to. he was out there recommending people turn their phone wifi off to make "a better hardware wallet", just seems like an overconfident midwit to me.

monero's real problem is they've lost people like me who at one point were willing to fund actual development but have since realized there's no talent left to actually fund. monero's slumped into maintenance mode except for a splinter group that's stretched too thin to the point of their potential upgrades coming too late to save it.

>>57489379
easy on the enter key midwit. i'm not interested in a debate with the guy that's single-handedly killed these generals.

>>57489418

So this is what passes for concern trolling in 2024? Jesus wept.

>>57489460
He's right though, your constant spazzing scared off any newcomers and a bunch of oldfags too. I cut down my monero bags in part due to how bad the "community" is

>>57489391
>how do we determine the price once the plug is pulled on every white market?

Supply and demand.

>>57489469
>doing anything based on "influencers" and "communities"
Kek, is this serious?

>>57489469
> I cut down my monero bags in part due to how bad the "community" is

Why not just sell the rest?

>>57489460
no this is an actual discussion about monero's near future not a regurgitation of the same points you keep spamming into the void.

your presence is precisely what i meant when i said:
>in it's current state monero is worse than bitcoin has ever been for making changes to it's core technology
monero has fallen into a purity spiral trap where discourse has flatlined into "fud" vs fanatics. bitcoin might be able to whether that storm from mere inertia, monero can't, and it's driven most of those looking to develop privacy technology elsewhere.

>>57489484
Your network is your net worth after all. The value of Monero comes from the number and quality of people that use it.

>>57489486
This is why I think you're a fed.

>>57489497
>elsewhere
where? what other privacy coin has better tech, no premine, and had adoption increasing faster than XMR?

>>57489508
"influencers" and random people on 4chan are not representative of the people using it, kek.

>>57489513
it's not 2014 anymore, you don't need to create a blockchain just to add functionality. when you drop the misconception that default privacy is a requirement you'll see most privacy development now happens on ethereum or layer two networks. monero has legacy, but very few of those that turned up to crypto last cycle care about such things.

>>57489574
you sound very dumb

>>57489544
It's not who is using it but who jumped ship. These threads are a husk of what they used to be. That's not enough in itself to buy or sell of course which is why I said "in part", but sentiment and mass psychology are still a big part of money.

>>57489574
>most privacy development now happens on ethereum or layer two networks
such as?
Also default privacy *is* a requirement. A smaller privacy pool makes probabilistic tracking models much more accurate and makes chainanal easier.

>>57489589
That's why XMR remains number 1, the combination of competent devs, a large anonymity set, and a community with ironclad hardfork discipline to adopt new tech as needed.

>>57489574
>the misconception that default privacy is a requirement
>most privacy development now happens on ethereum or layer two networks

>>57489115
>Rudimentary
>Used more than Bitcoin in the largest economy dependent on privacy
Your concern trolling and moon boy faggotry is gay. Monero development has been fantastic lately. Fcmp is a game changer and atomic swaps built into samurai wallet is massive.

>>57489589
notice how quickly tornado cash was sanctioned, that's what happens to privacy technologies that scare people. privacy pools are all that matters, default privacy is a delusion, and tornado cash at it's peak was a larger privacy pool with a higher velocity. yes, ins and outs are public but that's as much of a problem as ins and outs to monero itself.

>>57489618
>>57489634
why pretend to understand this conversation?

>>57489589
It'll be funny when unspent Bitcoin coinjoin capacity flips the entire market cap of Monero.

>>57489668
Feds have TRIED to sanction Monero. They literally can't. The one "address" they found and sanctioned started with a 5.
>it was a transaction

>>57489497

Despite your best concern trolling efforts, Monero's future is actually very promising:

- still vanquishing BTC in the very underground shadow economy BTC created
- establishing a monopoly on payments in a growing online black market that CANNOT be legislated away
- now also starting to muscle in on BTC's dominance in clearnet commerce.
- generating ever-greater buzz and street cred for the above
- Serai and Haveno are now close to launch, guaranteeing XMR availability even in the event of universal CEX delisting
- full-chain membership proofs are practically done and just need to be audited. bye bye ring sigs
- the moonfags and hodltards that ruined Bitcoin are shunned with extreme prejudice, ensuring that Monero remains dominated by ideologically-driven cypherpunk extremists.

You may now continue your concern trolling for our amusement.

>>57489668
tornado cash was able to be blacklisted and sanctioned because it ran on ethereum. USDC was able to be frozen from wallets relating to it because much of the ETH ecosystem is centralized. XMR doesn't have those problems.
>>57489691
It'll be funny when your coins passed through coinjoin are completely blacklisted by exchanges

>>57489668
Good reminder that "privacy" for its own sake is not important without decentralisation and a good first layer. What use is """privacy'"" if it's built on a WEF-controlled proof of stake system that can be freely censored and pressured at any time?

>>57489691
>coinjoin
Doesn't solve the fundamental problem of coins still having a history and "taint" associated with them.

>>57489703
BasicSwap is in beta too. Atomic swaps to BTC, LTC, ETH, and some others.

>>57489721
>>57489723
You mean the same way all Monero is being blacklisted from exchanges and considered tainted?

>>57489695
no, they haven't. if they wanted to they can simply "sanction" the entire thing, but they don't need to.

>>57489723
the only thing that matters for privacy is that when you exit the system it's as close to impossible to find out when and where you entered. if you don't optimize for this and instead try to build a closed loop you will fail. there's a very good chance monero was more private 6 years ago than it is today for this reason alone.

proof of woke is not my concern because these systems are not built for the long term, only for the now.

>>57489721
>>57489723
the taint issue is one monero is experiencing today. all xmr are considered "tainted" which has led to these delistings. if enough liquid bitcoin end up going through these privacy solutions the same question is going to pose itself.

>>57489728
>>57489760
Yeah, regulators hate privacy. Any privacy solution is going to have to deal with delisting and blacklisting. If you don't want privacy then don't use it.
If you do want privacy, and *all* your solutions are blacklisted, you should use the best solution (xmr)

>>57489728
Anyone who accepts Monero will accept your XMR coins, it's not the same with Bitcoin where individual coins are tainted even when people claim to accept BTC. If all of Monero is considered bad then it's accomplishing its goal and is being a threat to the WEF. Delisting is actually a good thing when your goal is to create a parallel system, not be integrated into the existing one.

>>57489787
Also this. XMR is fungible, unlike BTC.
A marketplace accepting both XMR and BTC will accept all XMR, but might reject your BTC if its tainted or passed through coinjoin

>>57489782
the problem for monero is it is both cheaper and less risky for an exchange to simply drop monero entirely than apply proof of funds surveillance to every deposit. the same could not be said for bitcoin given its privileged position, and why not just monero but nearly every altcoin can't rely on the same "built it and they will come" fallacy.

>>57489787
the result of this means if you have tainted coins on bitcoin you can try to launder them some way on-chain. while on monero you're always forced to sell for something else. see the problem?

>>57489807
in reality: the market will only accept bitcoin, and require kyc if certain limits or flags are triggered, with there being no economical reason to bother with monero

>>57489787
>>57489782
>>57489807
Markets where Monero is accepted also accept coinjoined Bitcoin. Markets where Monero isn't accepted still accept Bitcoin (as well as coinjoined Bitcoin it a lot of cases). The main difference is that Monero has less access to markets.
It's a lot easier to blacklist Monero, since it doesn't have the audience and momentum behind it that Bitcoin has.

>>57489834
>>57489852
Any market where privacy is required will choose XMR over coinjoined BTC any day. XMR is objectively better for privacy than BTC through coinjoin and doesn't come with the baggage of having to deal with tainted BTC.
I agree there's little reason right now for regulation compliant white markets to accept XMR, but the same could be said about BTC. Most marketplaces in the world only take fiat and dont give a shit about crypto at all.
XMR wants to be a parallel economy and its doing very well in terms of adoption on the darknet.

>>57489852
>Markets where Monero is accepted also accept coinjoined Bitcoin

lolwut? Scroll up for a ever-growing list of darknet markets that want absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin anymore.

CoinJoin will not save BTC. Neither will LN or Fedimints or Cashu or whatever else you delusional idiots still believe in.

>>57489975
We were talking with respect to places restricting coins due to privacy concerns retard.
But if you want to nitpick about specifics, yes there's plenty of Monero only drug markets (which I don't care about because I'm not some degenerate piece of shit). But overall there's considerably more white markets out there that accept Bitcoin and not Monero.

>>57490066
>We were talking with respect to places restricting coins due to privacy concerns retard.
Pro-privacy markets will use XMR since its the best, most widely adopted privacy coin.
Anti-privacy markets will block XMR as well as pro-privacy L2s or coinjoin-like solutions.
Normalfags for the most part dont care about privacy and most white markets are anti-privacy because of regulatory concerns.

https://xmrig.com/benchmark?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+9+5900X+12-Core+Processor
How are people getting 17kh/s on Ryzen 9 5900x? I can get around 14kh/s max even with overclocking and having the lowest timings my ram will work stably at.

>>57488596
but i want lazy/stupid ppl to fail?!? how do we do that without money??

>>57489968
that changes nothing though because those markets represent an increasingly smaller slice of the market as a whole leading to these easy delistings by exchanges. what happens in the future isn't any concern because the existential issues monero has to address are coming up a lot faster. if these trends continue it's almost a certainty that from sheer volume alone non-default privacy hacks sitting on top of bitcoin or ethereum end up providing plausibly deniable privacy better than monero can today.

parallel economies won't save monero when merchants find out the grass has grown greener elsewhere faster than the kink in monero's hose has been fixed.

>>57490137
non-default privacy isn't privacy. maybe some darknet markets will try to move away from XMR but when they get raped by chainanal they'll switch back.
Coinjoin, tornado cash, etc. have nowhere near the untraceability of XMR.
Coinjoin UX sucks too.
Again, markets where privacy is required will use the best privacy solution. Adoption on the darknet is growing while delistings and blacklists on white markets continue.

>>57490066
>We were talking with respect to places restricting coins due to privacy concerns retard.

Any vendor "concerned" about privacy that accepts BTC and not XMR can safely be written off.

>But overall there's considerably more white markets out there that accept Bitcoin and not Monero.

lol white markets aren't permissionless so who cares? Uncle Sam can rug you anytime he wants.

>>57490137
>if these trends continue it's almost a certainty that from sheer volume alone non-default privacy hacks sitting on top of bitcoin or ethereum end up providing plausibly deniable privacy better than monero can today.

Lurk the darknet OPSEC forums awhile to learn why you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

>>57488351
Labor and metals. 1 XMR = 2 Hours of labor = 2g Au = 6TOz Ag
>>57489250
'bout $3 billy
>>57490123
Ram timings and watercooling. Take the top spot and multiply it by .85 to get typical rates. I'm getting 15kh on 5950x but somehow some faggots are getting 20+
>>57490066 (wasted)
Why would you pay more than 5 dollars and wait multiple hours to make an exchange when it could only cost like .03 dollars and the first conf happens in like 2 minutes? I wish I could be stupid with my time and money like you are.

>>57490177
but it is, and the delusion that it isn't is why monero is where it is today despite the only legitimate option for "default" privacy. the real world isn't going to be kind to monero just because it's an altcoin that only allows private transactions, they're just going to attack every user of it equally.

if you want to hide in china you need to look chinese, not wear a ski mask everywhere.

>>57490213
rich coming from the guy who's got the worst post to privacy knowledge ratio in these threads. there's a reason why monero is 2 billion and dropping in size despite cybercrime profits trending up.

>>57490247
>there's a reason why monero is 2 billion and dropping in size despite cybercrime profits trending up.

wait, you're actually using clown market stats as a metric for quality control? Holy shit!

>>57490247
Coinjoin and l2 privacy hacks will never be as private or secure as XMR. A smaller privacy pool ensures that probabilistic attacks are more likely to succeed, and its much easier for you (or someone else) to make a mistake and compromise privacy.
And, while its definitely speculation and i could be wrong, if you look at XMR/USD ignoring the bull runs it looks to me like its slowly trending upwards.

>>57490303
>clown market
how you choose to cope is your business, but monero by design can't handle more value than is liquid on public and dark pools of liquidity. thousands of individuals have more wealth in crypto than moneor is capable of handling.

>>57490313
tornado cash already was higher than monero's been, and more liquid. it's only a matter of time before the privacy tools that are widely available eclipse those which have been blacklisted.

>>57490365
>tornado cash already was higher than monero's been
so? Its less private and more traceable.
tornado cash's only use case for criminals was washing stolen coins or coins from exploited SCs. It's volume wasn't from marketplaces using it.

>>57490134
You shouldn’t want that. That’s an immoral desire. You should want stupid people to get as educated as they can, and laziness? Who cares about laziness?
>>57488832
If people want things they should either make them, trade for them, or be given them. There are a laundry list of flaws that warrant eliminating it.
>>57489038
What? I’m not a communist lmao, commies love the money system, they just hate who it flows toward. Automation is one way to create a moneyless world, but it’s not the only way. But I’m curious, why do you think “reproductive rights” have to be curbed for that?

>>57490134
I should also point out, though it goes against my nature, that anyone that truly stupid will fail, money is just another medium for them to fail, since you get your jollies off it.

Also also, if you need to see fools fail that badly, there’s always television to simulate it. Trailer Park Boys feels like a goddamn documentary, and it’s all about a bunch of dummies. If you haven’t seen it somehow, those early seasons are absolute gold

>>57490365
>thousands of individuals have more wealth in crypto than moneor is capable of handling.

SPOILER: it ain't real, genius. Paper gains are an illusion conjured up by rampant wash trading and unbacked Tether. Keep believing.

>>57490379
Christ, this is econ 101. Say a man excels at making chairs. It's his craft he's mastered. But he also wants to buy food so he doesn't starve over winter. But no one in his village wants chairs, they only want chairs a few villages over, where he has no time to travel to. Money solves this problem and is why pretty much every civilization figured out money.

>>57490379
Also why aren't people allowed to want and trade for gold? And if it's the most traded thing, that makes it money. It's impossible for money not to exist.

Hello glowies. How’s your coin doing? Any news?

when is the price going to crash to $30? ive been waiting like 2 years to buy this shit and im not buying before the crash.

fuck my ass
https://coincards.com/us/product/amazon-com-gift-card/

where did it go what happened

>>57489668
Why completely deflect what I said?
You're being a moon boy faggot saying that Monero hadn't had any development.
Monero works, is being actively improved, nd it's actually used.
Kill yourself.

>>57490365
Name me a single dark net market that used tornado cash.
The reason tornado cash was used in large quantities is because ethereum is a bloated mess and various projects based on it get hacked, forcing these exit scams to use tornado cash because they have no other way of moving funds.

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On the upside test of cake pay worked, I assume. Let me know if you got the credit.

>>57488137
Money is one of the oldest and most useful inventions. Thanks to it, I don't have to find someone selling food in exchange for programming C++ for him. Plus I can put it aside and spend it later which makes planning for the future and traveling much easier.

>>57490671
>where did it go what happened

Bitrefill still has it. Probably a supply issue.

>getmonero.com
>The Core Team is a closed workgroup; it's not possible to join unless invited.
is this good or bad?

>>57493021
lurk in the matrix/irc chats. prove your worth with your work.
new core members come and go, its not that closed.

Woman are net recievers of welfare while Man produce More, a full woman economy would be only nurses,teachers, media and finance without no one on agriculture or building, most taxes are paid by high income individuales while the welfare class are eternal coupon recievers, taxing Is just redistributing from the producers to the leaches, the keynesian system we live in with cantillionaires and Washington stealing from the people i want to know how can we reach a better world, sure fixing the money would solve some problems but what i want to know Is how will this debt based system end or Is there any book i should read to understand more of the economy because i know someone dedicated to agriculture or aquaculture or Lets day mining or civil engineers are positions that are net producers but something like lawyers and online infuencers are basically bullshit jobs. So can Someone give me the theory for this

which store is good for buying steam games with monero

>>57489348
>Haven't heard anything concrete about full membership proofs either since that tranny gave his talk a year ago
It was 3 months ago and he was wearing a maid dress at MoneroKon because he is "a servant of the Monero community"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrCAiLPfXlg

>>57490549
That’s not money, it’s close to money, but it’s not money. Using things as intermediaries of value is a touch and go affair but can very quickly accrue the same negative aspects of money

>>57490461
Or he could simply be given food because he makes chairs. Or even if he makes nothing, because there is plenty of food, especially in a modern context

>>57491395
>oldest and most useful inventions
Now, what’s one of the oldest cultures in humanity? Hmmm…now that can’t be a coincidence

>>57485222
checked xmr bump

>>57485222
haveno wen?

>>57494939
>Bisq clone written in Java
Forget it.
Serai wen?

>>57488127
>I am 38
>I didn’t grow up with computers like you
That is literally the peak age for being able to use computers you spastic cunt. Anyone under 25 can't torrent and younger than that can't even navigate a file system.

>>57493883
>one of the oldest
This one is quite young. That's why they have so many fanfics in the bible.

>>57494951
Soon(tm).

>>57492216
ok as long as someone's doing monero for amazon gift cards.

Price dropped to 0.15 XMR, free shipping.

https://moneromarket.io/listing/cf583025-a915-420e-af9d-4833fb2fd39c

Monero bros were wasting their time in this thread, instead of staking ICP lol

We gave you all the information you needed.

THere is even private by default BTC on dfinity's icp SO what if yuou can't buy LSD with it, at least you're making moneyw

>>57495166
In what world? My friends and I played outside not on computers. Computers are what the people who are roughly 28-35 used. I was outside that generation. I torrented things too, but that’s about the extent of my knowledge, I can’t even torrent anymore because now if you want to watch free shit you just go to those Russian sites and use an adblocker

>>57495615
You mean the Christcucks?

>>57488127
here's a fucking book, read it all.

You deserve to lose your money for dumping it into someone else's exchange and leaving it there expecting everything would be fine forever and never educating yourself even a little bit on how this tech works, you are 38, not stupid. I'll give you some help though.

So there are a bunch of ways you can make and use your own wallet in varying degrees of simplicity and security. You could just use the GUI wallet on your main PC and risk losing everything if you failed to write down your seed phrase and the PC dies or it gets infected with malware, you could use Cakewallet on your phone and risk the same happening to your phone. The general idea is to prevent the slow creep of time from separating you from the knowledge of where your seed phrase is and to keep any existing instances of that wallet secure (on a device that will not get shoah'd by chinese malware)

Any way of accomplishing this is a valid way of self-custody, but I'll give you a sort of "recipe" that offers a balance of security and ease of use. Without technical prowess it might be a bit difficult to set up but if you only do what is easy your life will be hard.

https://pastebin.com/A7T8YWQC
This is just the "secure deposit" side of things, like a piggy bank basically. To get your funds back out you would just re-connect to the internet, point your wallet at any node at https://monero.fail/?chain=monero&network=mainnet and send a transaction as normal.
Yeah there are other far more secure wallets and I'm know the schizo-tier security guys could easily blast holes clean through this method but for the average person this is more than secure to hang onto your few grand at most worth of monero.

My wallet got cleaned out how do I figure out how this happened?

>>57496211
>>57493883
>>>/twitter/

>>57496375
>my wallet
where was this wallet? On a PC? What kind of PC? Running what?

>>57490727
>dark net market
you're talking about the equivalent of street dealers.
the equivalent of the cartels are only interfacing through monero at the ingress, if at all. it doesn't have the volume.

>>57496955
>the equivalent of the cartels are only interfacing through monero at the ingress, if at all. it doesn't have the volume

Narco cartels have been accepting XMR as payment for transatlantic cocaine shipments for several years now.

And volume isn't set in stone. Baby steps.

>>57496955
>you're talking about the equivalent of street dealers.
And? This is normie usage of crypto. It's symbolic of Monero being the growing cryptocurrency of choice for black markets. If you think that usage is going to go down in the future, then you don't understand trends.

>>57497403
then don't act surprised when you find out most privacy usage exists outside of monero, all you're seeing is the tip of the public iceberg,

>>57498067
ok, show me the cryptocurrency economies that use privacy other than dark net markets.
obviously cryptocurrency usage is a fraction of dollar usage, but what we are expecting is a future that is digital only, and in that future actual fungible e cash is a necessity. Something like Monero would be invaluable in that regard.

>>57493883
raping culture is in fact the oldest culture, thanks for shedding in the rape community

>>57498140
>show me
how are you this unaware? just square the number from all the spyware analysis companies against monero volume.
the privacy/laundering/black economy is orders of magnitude greater than monero, and has always been.

monero might be useful in the future as it is today but it's useful to those who can't attain privacy elsewhere, this isn't something black markets have a problem with.

>>57489574
you are funny guy

>>57498177
I made it clear that cryptocurrency usage is nowhere near real world usage. But as time passes, the demand for e cash will rise over time. Are you that naive that you don't see that most first world countries are transitioning to cashless economies built on CBDCs?

I'm new. Is bisq really trustworthy? For what I saw they got exploited in 2018.

>>57496419
The wallet was logged into cake wallet which has no record of any transactions and the phrases were stored on my nas witch I just double checked is not readable to the internet.

>>57498770
if there is no transaction record then your funds went nowhere and it might be a sync issue

>>57498805
I checked in cake wallet and I restored my wallet from my saved keys with the cli wallet monerod comes with and both show no funds. Tried to sync to both my node and a public one.

>>57498888
If none of them show an outgoing transaction then the funds have to still be in the wallet, there is nowhere else for them to go. It has to be some other kind of problem

Stacking morenos

>>57498898
Ya turned out I restored the wallet wrong , just restored it correctly and it has the monero in it still. I guess cake wallet is just broken

>>57498246
>demand for e cash will rise over time
Its called tether. The turd world is absolutely bonkers for it. A lot of Chinese markets offer discounts for paying in tether.

>>57485222
This thread is all moonfags. Grow up

>>57499810
amazing job fren!
plz to be putting generation details on civitai

>>57499618
It's called a lot of things.
Regarding tether usage, it will only go down as market regulation and kyc becomes more global. those markets will continue to get shut down and pushed towards Monero.

>>57499956
thanks

https://civitai.com/images/6233961

>>57490614
you think it will crash to 30usd because, well just because?

>>57500189
No one is going to ban Venezuelans from using tether for daily expenses. Not that anyone could anyways when it's the most broadly accepted stable and that country alone counts for millions of USDT users.
And that's not even counting Chinese markets, like replica goods. No one cares to lock them out, and its way too large and profitable besides.

>>57499190
i recommedn Monerujo or MYSU. If you're looking into having a cold wallet, get Anonero

>>57499618
>>57500608

Tether would monopolize the darknet markets were it not for 2 fatal flaws:

1. not anonymized
2. funds can be frozen at any moment

Tether is fine for short-term holding to use but if you're stacking larger amounts you're essentially playing russian roulette, all it takes is one phone call or court order and your shit is gone.

>Tether has frozen $435M USDT for U.S. DOJ, FBI, and Secret Service
>Tether CEO said the world's largest stablecoin issuer wants to become a "world class partner" to the U.S. to "expand dollar hegemony."
https://cryptoslate.com/tether-has-frozen-435m-usdt-for-u-s-doj-fbi-and-secret-service/

>To be perfectly clear, Tether doesn’t actually “freeze” USDT in your wallet, but it can blacklist that wallet, and once “blacklisted” you can no longer transfer USDT in or out of that address.
https://medium.com/chainargos/what-happens-when-tether-freezes-your-tether-5a8ece2bd508

>>57500800
As per your article they blacklisted 326 wallets total tied to hacks, theft, human trafficking, etc., in cooperation with law enforcement.
That's not the same as blacklisting tens of millions of South Americans, the vast majority of which make transactions <$1k in any given week for activities that aren't illicit and don't warrant an investigation.

>>57500800
Sure there's demand for monero on drug markets, but the vast majority of the economy, and the majority of growth, is the white or grey areas.

>>57500848

The point isn't what is or isn't currently happening, the point is that it is technically possible to freeze user funds at any time.

>>57500854
>Sure there's demand for monero on drug markets, but the vast majority of the economy, and the majority of growth, is the white or grey areas.

Yeah, and? The shadow economy is obviously smaller than the mainstream economy but its still pretty sizeable, multi-trillion dollar sizeable.

The key difference is that you can't be banned from the shadow economy. You can be banned from the mainstream economy.

>>57500989
>Yeah, and?
And, >>57498246 was speaking to a widely adopted e-cash. Yet Monero keeps having opportunities handed to it, Argentina, Venezuela, the Canadian bank seizures, Nigeria banning crypto, China banning crypto, yet keeps dropping the ball.
You keep getting golden opportunities to build your circular economy beyond drug markets (not multi trillion a year, maybe half a trillion, but online drug sales are only 1% of this), into markets that actually matter. But every time people opt for Bitcoin or something like Tether (as evidenced by the massive number of USDT transactions on Tron), not caring about the apparent privacy advantages.

How many of these are North Koreans?

>>57501152
>widely adopted e-cash.

not going to happen, the State will never tolerate widespread circumvention of monetary controls, of that you can be damn sure. Which again brings us back to the permissionless shadow economy.

>Yet Monero keeps having opportunities handed to it, Argentina, Venezuela, the Canadian bank seizures, Nigeria banning crypto, China banning crypto, yet keeps dropping the ball. You keep getting golden opportunities to build your circular economy beyond drug markets (not multi trillion a year, maybe half a trillion, but online drug sales are only 1% of this), into markets that actually matter. But every time people opt for Bitcoin or something like Tether (as evidenced by the massive number of USDT transactions on Tron), not caring about the apparent privacy advantages.

lol what's the rush? People opt for stablecoins because unlike everything else they're predictable, pegged to a familiar currency and there's *currently* no crackdown on users or vendors accepting it. If that were to change and privacy suddenly started to matter more, you'd see a pivot towards Monero.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_wasn%27t_built_in_a_day

>>57500800
Any DNM accepting Zephyr USD yet?

>>57501428

No.

canadian bros what's the best way to get XMR

first time buying so other crypto exchange recommendations also appreciated

Should I splurge on a dual EPYC setup or buy multiple cheaper Xeons?

>>57501152
Hilarious. You recognize that the transition to a cashless society is inevitable but tools like Monero won't be necessary in the future. Ok. Keep following the herd I guess instead of being proactive.

>>57501152
You only apper to be stupid to the the uninitiated, while in fact you are evil, a power seaker. You think you are friends with the l33t who are also evil agains the just and smart. But in fact they see you as cattle. Your barin can not comprehand this this, thus you act stupid beacuse you think your friends* actions benefit you.
Just like white females who produce nigglets

>>57502089
>>57502699
I'm not endorsing anything. I'm observing what has already happened. USDT on Tron alone pulls tens of millions of transactions a week, having quadrupled through the bear market, and the majority are daily expenses under $1000 in value. Where was Monero during all this? They went and built your circular economy on a few years. The freedom convoy had bank and Bitcoin accounts being blocked but no one switched to Monero. Why?

>>57493883
This. Animals do not have money and they have better birth rates than your cattle ass

>>57503056
>Why
Beacuse they are stupid/evil. as pic related. Once power tripping fails, they will move on to being smart and good (the ones remaining). The protest it self was power tripping. Power (protest) vs Power (them*). If they were wise, they would not even participate in that kind of game. #Gnostics

>>57503056
Translation: people are using something for convenience without seeing the long term issue of regulation and censorship, which is inevitable.

>trezor in monero-wallet-cli broke again
piece of shit, this is the third time it happened.
This time i've changed my trezor display name to a single space ' ', and somehow it broke the monero wallet. Don't be like me and don't use whitespace in display name.

>>57498246
>>57500189
there hasn't ever been a successful medium of exchange that is itself only used for illegal activity. monero needed to break into white markets before it stood a chance at defending its black market activity but that never happened.

it's near impossible for alts to find userbases long term and nobody is going to stop building privacy tools on other networks just because monero exists especially when its lost most of its plausible deniability.

>>57500189
if monero is reliant on people breaking the law to use it they'll also happily break the law to use more liquid and available currencies like bitcoin. you can't regulate monero into dominance because its usage will be deemed as illegal as blacklisted or tainted bitcoin are.
when the punishments are equivalent they're going to use the one that's the most plausible. pretending you accidentally used monero (whose use is entirely criminalized) is a lot harder than talking your way out of having a small portion of tainted bitcoin.

the law isn't going to save monero, sorry.

>>57503056
stablecoins serve an entirely different purpose than Monero. I ask again, why wouldn't a tool like Monero be necessary in a cashless society that can censor wrongthink at will?
>>57503639
>it's near impossible for alts to find userbases long term
you are posting in one of the only long term general threads in cryptocurrency.
>f monero is reliant on people breaking the law to use it they'll also happily break the law to use more liquid and available currencies like bitcoin.
dark net adoption literally proves this wrong
>you can't regulate monero into dominance
moonboy argument. Don't care about "muh dominance". I just care about having digital cash.
>because its usage will be deemed as illegal as blacklisted or tainted bitcoin are.
nobody cares compliance cuck.
>when the punishments are equivalent they're going to use the one that's the most plausible. pretending you accidentally used monero (whose use is entirely criminalized) is a lot harder than talking your way out of having a small portion of tainted bitcoin.
The problem is that chain analysis makes proving you used Bitcoin a hell of a lot easier than Monero. Retarded argument.

>>57503751
these threads have been on life support long before the midwit schizo who starts them all now showed up.
it's obvious you don't even understand the point so try reading it again, slowly.
you can't regulate monero into relevance.

where do i buy monero to use for payment

is it true the finns can track monero payments now?

I'm Satoshi

>>57503218
You're stupid if you think people (at least 99% of them) will ever become smart and good of their own volition. Anything successful (especially money related things) do so by appealing to base greed and convenience. That's why Bitcoin and Tether are successful, they appeal to greed and convenience first and save the higher morals for later.

>>57504934
>2008 was literally greed driven
past monetary systems have shown how societies decay when you follow what you preach
>literally lebanon and the hyperinflation crisis
keynesian banks basically were giving out high interest rates for savings accounts, people were living on interest after waging for 40 years, no one had a lot of financial literacy and the idea that the Gulf would always give us loans ( that the government used to steal anyway, blatantly I might add) would prevail
if you have nothing to hide, you are nothing brother
fuck this dystopia

>>57503751
Monero people itt want it to be an ecash, used to frequently buy and sell, rather than a SoV. Stablecoins fit this description while also being more intuitive, less volatile, and less likely to be delisted. The vast vast proportion of people have never cared about whether censorship exists and never will. They don't care about drugs or trafficking or freedom, they care about fucking groceries.

>>57500848
get rekt
binance has frozen a lot of small accounts who tried to register to binance here, I'm talking less than 400$ a month kek, this just doesn't make the news, and you literally gotta go through the FUD online, especially with crypto news
we are in a dystopia, realize it before it's unironically too late
do you NEED a reminder of how much you're being tracked/monitored you name it, and how little control we have?
kek, even opensea has us on a sanction list and when you do use a VPN, if a DNS leak occurs, you get your address blacklisted
fuck centralization
fuck keynesian economics
hail Monero
fight for your privacy brothers
XMR unironically changed my life

>>57504995
You're the definition of being incentivized by greed given all you do is beg for money.

>>57505040
>and less likely to be delisted
lmao what? stablecoins have way more regulatory heat than Monero.
It's going to end with stablecoins being replaced by CBDCs.

>>57505088
Notice how there's never arguments for Monero standing on its own merits. Its always that Bitcoin will go to zero, or stablecoins will be mass banned, but never that Monero will become #1 regardless of what the rest of the market is doing.

>>57505054
I don't beg, you think I enjoy asking for scrapes because I've needed any penny I can get my hands on? when I ask for help its unironically humiliating so fuck off
and don't divert the subject kek

>>57505134
I'm not changing the subject. You're a perfect example of the masses being driven by the desire for wealth. Which isn't a bad thing, its just human nature.

>>57505088
based
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-10/lebanon-plans-to-introduce-digital-currency-in-2021-salameh
they were going to start it after the port explosion, but geopolitics put them to a halt
nigeria did one as far as I remember
>>57505132
your argument above was LITERALLY saying that muh stablecoins has less risk to be delisted
as mentioned above, at least XMR can't be frozen at any second
fuck compliance

>>57505153
desire for wealth
I'm eating less to save each penny to try to open a shop, but I need a fucking break because old people bills are killing me
human nature decades when following greed and convenience as history showed us time and time>>57504995

>>57505169
Maybe try getting a job instead of spamming this board every day, begging for handouts like some nigger.

>>57505194
projection. you've been spamming this thread with concern trolling with different IP addresses. wouldn't be surprised if you are a bot.
>>57505132
my entire argument is literally that monero stands on its own as a utility which, over time, will become more and more important. your entire argument is "lol stablecoins are used more therefore nobody will ever use Monero". Totally retarded. Monero is the safest tool to use against censorship and surveillance and it will only get stronger over time.
>>57504453
no

>>57505194
https://tallycoin.app/@lebanonanon/opening-a-street-kebab-kiosk-2UAFa1w5/

I literally have a job so fuck off
and again, you failed to have a rebuttal to my >>57504995 so you divert the argument, kek

Does any other cryptocurrency beget this much nervous asspain from Bitcoiners? Honest question.

I like how the bitfags have switched from outright dismissing Monero to downplaying its succeses.
>xmr isn't the #1 global currency already. EPIC FAIL LOL

keep seething kek

>>57503056
>They went and built your circular economy on a few years. The freedom convoy had bank and Bitcoin accounts being blocked but no one switched to Monero. Why?

Your retardation knows no bounds. White market utilization can be legislated away at any time, you fuckhead. That is the point here. Growing an economy that is immune to State interference is the ultimate goal, not some arbitrary degree of brand recognition.

TL;DR: Monero is there for those that need it. Not everybody needs it. Yet.

>>57505226
>my entire argument is literally that monero stands on its own as a utility which, over time, will become more and more important.
This, it's why I don't even care about the "price" or "being number one". I know it's essentially guaranteed to be more and more useful with how the world is going.

>>57505382
most bitcoin guys don't even know monero exists, alt baggies are the only ones who keep coping about bitcoin, the same way every xmr general begins with multiple cope posts.

>>57505934
nah. the only way these shitskin quality arguments work is if you assume the governments of the world will entirely ban both bitcoin and monero, but that's just cope. in reality monero is one of the first things outlawed and the only people willing to use it also don't care about blacklisted coins and utxo taint for the exact same reason.

>>57505974
>nah. the only way these shitskin quality arguments work is if you assume the governments of the world will entirely ban both bitcoin and monero, but that's just cope. in reality monero is one of the first things outlawed and the only people willing to use it also don't care about blacklisted coins and utxo taint for the exact same reason.

lol being banned is a badge of honor AND a resounding validation of the tech. Banning XMR but not BTC makes BTC seem cucked and suspect.

And people care about taint in proportion to the amount of inconvenience it causes them. More inconvenience = more abandonment of BTC, as seen on the darknet.

Why are you even here? Shouldn't you be getting ready for the halvening that will totally drive BTC to $100K just like the ETF did?

>>57506064
if they're outlawing privacy, they're obviously outlawing the entire monero network, the lowest hanging fruit of things to ban first. being caught with any connection to monero becomes equivalent to being caught with blacklisted coins on bitcoin.

this is not something technology can fix for monero, it simply doesn't work in the real world when everything is tainted and any trade participant is receiving tainted xmr (because every xmr is tainted). monero can not save you from monero itself being outlawed any more than bitcoin can.

you guys need to find some arguments that don't rely on the state blessing monero and leaving it alone while going after public networks instead.

>Why are you even here?
because xmr used to be based before it was taken over by you guys that don't stop coping and crying about bitcoin.
monero lost the second the narrative became "monero is what bitcoin was meant to be".

>>57505250
>I don't beg
>I literally have a job
>Proceeds to beg for money
But I'll respond to you anyways. Yes greed can lead to bad outcomes, which is why a good money accounts for it. Bitcoin's first promise is that number goes up, accounting for greed, while also providing a decentralized, non-inflationary money that solves some of the problems of greed. Monero preaches "moonboys fuck off", failing to account for human nature.

>>57506198
Monero's philosophy doesn't dismiss human nature, it wants it to evolve, to prioritize security and financial privacy in a dystopian world increasingly indifferent to both. Bitcoin addresses some greed issues, but at what cost?
A permanent financial digital footprint.
Monero isn’t just about avoiding moonboy mentality; it's about forging a path where financial privacy isn't a luxury but a standard. Monero is not anti-greed; it's pro-discretion.
fight for your privacy
>>57504995
>if you have nothing to hide, you are nothing brother
I suggest reading The Age of Surveillance Capitalism, you can find it in pdf online

>>57506102
>if they're outlawing privacy, they're obviously outlawing the entire monero network, the lowest hanging fruit of things to ban first. being caught with any connection to monero becomes equivalent to being caught with blacklisted coins on bitcoin.
>this is not something technology can fix for monero, it simply doesn't work in the real world when everything is tainted and any trade participant is receiving tainted xmr (because every xmr is tainted). monero can not save you from monero itself being outlawed any more than bitcoin can.

Buying and selling narcotics is outlawed. But as long as you do it through the darknet you're fine. Now let's apply that to Monero, numbnuts:

- the Monerocentric DEXs set to launch soon (Serai, Haveno) are darknet-based.

- most Monerocentric storefronts in development e.g. Neveko are also darknet-based.

- we already have several darknet-only Monero escrow services available e.g. FreeTrade.

TL;DR: everything necessary for a darknet-based grey market economy to emerge is basically already there. Permissioned white market adoption not required.

So yeah, let them ban Monero, its not going to fundamentally change anything lol.


>because xmr used to be based before it was taken over by you guys that don't stop coping and crying about bitcoin.
>monero lost the second the narrative became "monero is what bitcoin was meant to be".

Translation: wah, plz stop blackpilling curious n00bs on BTC, my bags are SO heavy!

>>57506102
I see you're unfamiliar with the Streisand effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsonCMXEy0g

>>57506444

You don't know what you are talking about, do you?

>>57506361
having your own closed system is not the point. ideally monero can protect you from a world where some minority of funds in monero are "illegal". moneo can not protect you from a world where monero itself in any form is illegal.

the real kicker is that if you care about privacy today you have more options than you did in 2016, when it was only mediocre on-chain mixing, weak privacy bytecoin, and opt-in privacy monero. monero isn't the only game in town, it can't afford the heat that comes with a broad spectrum sanction like tornado cash.

and why would any of you guys that pretend to not care about the price care anyway? you have no long term incentives.
and nobody with bitcoin has heavy bags, but a good reminder despite all the deflections price is all you xmr baggies think of.

>>57508327
>having your own closed system is not the point.

the darknet is not a "closed system", its an anonymized network running on open source software that is available to everybody.

And only a darknet-based parallel economy is safe from the whims of government, you can't legislate black markets away.


>ideally monero can protect you from a world where some minority of funds in monero are "illegal". moneo can not protect you from a world where monero itself in any form is illegal.

Are you legit retarded or something? Monero's legal status is utterly irrelevant if you're not directly engaging with the mainstream economy or using CEXs. A 100% fully outlawed XMR can still be earned/traded and freely exchanged for goods/services on anonymized platforms. NOT ASKING FOR PERMISSION. Get that through your thick skull.


>monero isn't the only game in town, it can't afford the heat that comes with a broad spectrum sanction like tornado cash.

Be sure to inform the darknet privacy boffins, they sure seem hellbent on giving Monero a complete monopoly on payments.

>and why would any of you guys that pretend to not care about the price care anyway? you have no long term incentives.
>and nobody with bitcoin has heavy bags, but a good reminder despite all the deflections price is all you xmr baggies think of.

Behold the simplistic mind of a moonfag, it can't fathom people caring about something more than muh price action.

Don't Buy Monero, nimrod, its a terrible investment. Come back to gloat about BTC when it inevitably hits $100K this year lol

We should discuss potential business ideas that don't require too much regulation like aquaculture, maybe farming, idk

Would the following work as a standalone thread? Would it be against the board rules?

Welcome to Monero Gigs!

Pricelist:

0.01 XMR = $1.68
0.02 XMR = $3.36
0.03 XMR = $5.04
0.04 XMR = $6.73
0.05 XMR = $8.41
0.06 XMR = $10.09

Gig offer templates:

> I will ___ for 0.03 XMR. I require one of these escrows:
> 1) !!_____ 2) !!_____

> I will ___ for 0.03 XMR. I require this escrow: !!_____

> I will ___ for 0.03 XMR. I do not require an escrow nor upfront payment.

Gig request templates:

> I will pay 0.03 XMR for someone to ___. I require one of these escrows:
> 1) !!_____ 2) !!_____

> I will pay 0.03 XMR for someone to ___. I require this escrow:
> 1) !!_____ 2) !!_____

Escrow offer template: (Always post escrow offers with a secure tripcode)

> I will escrow up to 0.06 XMR.
> Base fee: 0.005 XMR
> Extra fee in case of dispute: 0.005 XMR

Rules:

Do not break 4chan rules.
Do not get involved in gigs related to breaking 4chan rules.
Do not offer gigs requesting upfront payment without an escrow.
Do not pay upfront for gigs without an escrow.
Do not request a gig without an escrow.
Do not accept gig requests without an escrow.
Using an escrow means that the fee will be subtracted from the listed, escrowed amount.
Keep everything under 0.06 XMR.

No reputation? Try offering some gigs without escrow using a secure tripcode.

>>57509095

How about a Diaper Spa?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onwq8hIkX1I&pp=ygUKZGlhcGVyIHNwYQ%3D%3D

>>57509095

How about a Diaper Spa?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onwq8hIkX1I

>>57509063
I mean lets say you need a lawyer i am sure that guy wont accept xmr unless that lawyer Is a mafioso, but he Is retarded ir he Is risking His Career for some stupid coins, anyways while drugs Is a huge market not everyone wants to play the revel cypherpunk archetype If using monero Is too risky and becomes outlawed normal business Will just simply use the other surveilance shitcoins while monero itself stagnates

>>57509278

lol there's essentially zero difference between accepting cash off the books and accepting XMR, and we all know how prevalent such cash payments are pretty much everywhere.

You're basically arguing that only cucked compliance coins are noteworthy assets, which is a sad testament to the state of crypto in 2024.

In any case, there's already several lawyers listed on Monerica who are more than happy to accept XMR. A nice start, don't you think?

>https://youtu.be/Sf8ptk37dLw?si=xVoOUwKy0CCUwjmH&t=98
>I personally am big into transparency in finance
>https://youtu.be/Sf8ptk37dLw?si=eorPVetL8cBtnXkc&t=248
>they haven't even tweeted in a few days
kek
Is he trolling?

God, I love the Monero economy! Some gigachad just bought a lot of my silver. Now I can buy even more.

>>57511572
prove it

>>57511580
It's not that hard, you can do it too.

>>57509063
If on/off ramps keep getting shutdown then it becomes a closed system. P2P & atomic swaps don't cut it with terrible UX and no liquidity. Even you say "circular economy" - a closed loop.

>>57512904
You're telling me. I got the samourai wallet beta and the first thing it asks for is some bullshit link I have no idea how to find.

>>57512904
Kyc swaps are absurdly easy to use

Is using a full blockchain better then using a pruned one?

>>57515337
I guess you can help others more by uploading ANY block to them when they ask for it.

>>57509063
>caring about something more than muh price action
what's there to care about?
monero doen't have the strongest privacy guarantees anymore,it's not 2015.
it doesn't have any speculative benefits,
it's designed with huge flaws like expandable blocksizes when combined with ring signatures,
it has a weak and non-committed community of users (not you larpers here) that have no problems moving elsewhere to the next privacy tool,
it has a very poor development community who are showing very little interest and ability to move to a harder privacy cryptography like zkps,

when it doesn't have the tech, or the developers to improve it, doesn't have the price or the market to improve it, and the community of users is entirely disinterested, what exactly does monero have?
you guys made more sense when you weren't pretending not to be coping about the price and technological failures all hours of the day.

has anybody here successfully requested a service listing on kycnot.me? the captcha seems to be broken.

>>57512904
>If on/off ramps keep getting shutdown then it becomes a closed system.

lol yeah, a "closed system" anybody can freely enter at any time with minimum effort.


>P2P & atomic swaps don't cut it with terrible UX and no liquidity.

Yes, because liquidity and UX are set in stone and won't improve over time.

>>57515955
>what's there to care about?
>monero doen't have the strongest privacy guarantees anymore,it's not 2015.
>it doesn't have any speculative benefits,
>it's designed with huge flaws like expandable blocksizes when combined with ring signatures,
>it has a weak and non-committed community of users (not you larpers here) that have no problems moving elsewhere to the next privacy tool,
>it has a very poor development community who are showing very little interest and ability to move to a harder privacy cryptography like zkps,
>
>when it doesn't have the tech, or the developers to improve it, doesn't have the price or the market to improve it, and the community of use

lol the demoralization trolls are really out in force today.

IT'S OVER, BROS!

>>57516559

Back to my old day job, I guess.

>>57515955
What are you talking about, none of what you said is true. None of it.

>>57516559
>demoralization trolls
so what does that make you, starter of every thread and 30% of all posts therein?

as long as you guys keep coddling what little remains of the development team monero is toast.

>>57516596
sticking your head in the sand is how monero ended up in its current situation. either you're all glowniggers sent to subvert monero into irrelevance or you're just useful idiots.

>>57516610
So what objective failures have occurred on the xmr blockchain ?
When has block size, time between blocks, security or any bugs been an objective failure.

Oh look the demoralization troll bot ip hopped again

hate ns and js

>>57516644
>block size
Big blocks don't scale
>time between blocks
Still not fast enough for point-of-sale, Monero would require L2
>security
Security is abysmal relative to other PoW chains. Worse than LTC, BCH, Doge, ETC, in terms of settlement assurances/miner revenue
>or any bugs
Is there still a 10 block lockout on UTXOs? Defeats the point of 2 min blocks.

>>57516605
>so what does that make you, starter of every thread and 30% of all posts therein?

lol this is the MONERO General, you dimwit, we're not in the Bitcoin ballwashing business here.

>as long as you guys keep coddling what little remains of the development team monero is toast.

Duly noted. Now GTFO.

>>57516644
it's more insidious than an objective failure. ring signatures mean you have to align incentives extremely carefully because unlike in all other blockchains you're creating an incentive to deanonymize people by creating transactions.

if you do things to reduce the cost of creating transactions, like an expandable blocksize, or permanent inflation to allow for low fees, you're directly working against the core properties of ring signatures.

>>57516652
>he claims to care about privacy but uses static ip addresses
another monero larp ousted

>>57517066
the 10 block lockout isn't relative to block time per say, but it's needed because ring signatures have an easy failure mode without them.

>>57518493
you're in the monero ballwashing business, clearly, but i'm not here to talk about bitcoin, why are you?

>>57485222
Hey guys just put my life savings into monero a few hours ago. What am I in for?

>>57518594
lmao

>>57518594
ropemaxxing: the experience

What do we think of Moneroocean?

>>57518594
Unbelievably based.

>>57489721
>It'll be funny when your coins passed through coinjoin are completely blacklisted by exchanges
it'll be funny when your altcoin gets blacklisted by an exchange. oh wait, it just happened.

>>57518622
>>57518643
>>57518659
Thanks guys, for the last few years I've always bought the top before a catastrophic cataclysmic fall, then I sell and it goes back up. Legit going to rope if I lose my life savings again. 2024 feels like my year boys

>>57518677
You can always cut your losses. Don't actually ropemaxx anon. And I mean this with no 4chan irony: Jesus loves you.

Binance officially delisting XMR on the 20th: https://www.binance.com/en/support/announcement/binance-will-delist-ant-multi-vai-xmr-on-2024-02-20-f73b083ba6834771b07dbe5319917ae5

guys, if kraken delists xmr I'll have to sell my bag. sorry

>>57518796
where are you gonna sell it? on a street corner?

>>57485222
>usa takes over binance
>delists follow
Checked

>>57499623
>nooooo you have to be fine with your bags losing value

>>57518519
>i'm not here to talk about bitcoin, why are you?

To trigger salty Bitfags like you into sperging out for days on end.

>>57518759
>>57518796
Based. Hope it goes on discount again.

*slurps*

>>57518862

Same here, looking to buy $2billion worth, wouldn't mind the savings.

>>57518759
>Binance officially delisting XMR on the 20th

How validating. Imagine not being enough of a threat to warrant delisting while still claiming to be the only coin that matters.

>>57518846
>40 posts by this ID

>>57518926
>>40 posts by this ID

41

>>57518931
congratulations on turning these once reasonably based generals into whatever high-estrogen energy you bring, i guess.

>>57517066
>Big blocks don't scale
Bit blocks scale because tech scales.
>Still not fast enough for point-of-sale
Do you think shops check every banknote and coin for validity before giving out a coffee? There's a lot of ways to work around this for more expensive stuff if it ever becomes an issue.
>Security is abysmal relative to other PoW chains.
And all of these chains had horrible security relative to their present selves, yet here they are.

Also, nobody that matters (DNMs) care about what you say apparently, so who cares really other than you and the moonbois?

>>57518955
>high-estrogen energy

lol you kvetch more than my mother-in-law.

>>57518759
Sweet. Being incompatible with Cuck You Client to the point of not even being accepted is a good indicator it's working. If Monero wasn't working, agencies would never let exchanges drop support.

>>57519008
the fact that only retail druggie markets care about monero anymore isn't indicative of success, it's indicative of a complete failure to retain all but the most captive users.

>>57509166
Seriously though, looking for feedback about this.

>>57519055
Privacy as a concept takes above average iq to care about. Almost everyone is just fine with the "Not doing anything wrong, got nothing to hide" narrative.

>>57519068
no, it wouldn't work as a standalone thread, but you already knew that.

>>57519055
>Monero is a complete failure because so far it's only managed to drive Bitcoin out of the darknet economy and isn't the dominant global currency already.

Your pathetic demoralization efforts are actually legit hilarious.

>>57519077
any privacy tool was always going to have those headwinds, the problem monero has is it has nothing else propping it up, in part because the last 7 years has been a developmental black hole.

>>57519079
>demoralization
get your testosterone levels checked

>>57519097
>the problem monero has is it has nothing else propping it up, in part because the last 7 years has been a developmental black hole.

lol there you go again, its like you can't help yourself hahahahahaha

if you had a decent bit of USDT, would you buy now or wait for the day of delisitng?

>>57519129
The bottom is going to be way before the delisting. By that day everyone who wanted to sell would've already

>>57519110
instead of having a woman moment feel free to point out where i'm wrong. no, increasing the ring pool to a still undersized amount doesn't count.

>>57519129
there's more money to be made elsewhere. if you're specifically looking to acquire monero, wait.

>>57519129
>>57519150
although you said usdt so in that case you're actually at the mercy of whatever bitcoin does in the next 2 weeks.

We are finally the bad boys we were meant to be fuck bitcucks

>>57519150
>point out where i'm wrong

You're not wrong, Monero is a complete failure, we're all doomed, $100K BTC end of year!!!!!!!!

Unfortunate that it got delisted from Binance.
What I don't understand is why so many of the monerofags here are just the typical delusional cult bagholders. Taking the position that you don't care about the price because it is simply PRIVATE electronic cash would be a respectable position,
But most of you are the typical
>your fud only makes me more bullish
> akschually cheese pizza is bullish bro
retards.

>>57519163
>We are finally the bad boys we were meant to be fuck bitcucks

Hey, there ain't nothing more badass than getting a BlackRock ETF, mister!

>>57519175
bitcoin really does live rent free for you guys doesn't it? pretending not to care about the xmr price really takes its toll.

>>57519199

Price? lol how many times do you dipshits need to be told that Monero is a terrible investment?

DON'T BUY MONERO, asshole!

>>57519078
I did not know that, if I knew I wouldn't ask. I have reasons to believe that it will, and reasons to believe that it won't and I'm unsure which way those add up. Why do YOU think it won't work as a standalone thread? And do you mean that you think it would work as a post in another thread or not at all?

How low can we go, bros?

>>57519276
as low as 100
but not now, it will bounce back from here
Monero is a good buy right now

>>57519199
I do care about the price though, kek
>>57519276
I'm hoping for sub 100 discounted prices.

>>57519287
longs rekt, sellers already sold the news
and since this is negative new, you buy the news
buy now
it is that simple

>>57519290
I already bought an unknown amount. Feeling pretty based right now.

>>57519295
I did not expect binance to delist it
the MiCa regulation just states that you must limit withdraws, and that is for the EU only
you can still trade it

we are effectively just in a FUD frenzy, it will pump back up

NEW THREAD: >>57519335
>NEW THREAD: >>57519335
NEW THREAD: >>57519335
>NEW THREAD: >>57519335
NEW THREAD: >>57519335
>NEW THREAD: >>57519335

>>57519037
Your mother in law's a Jew? Are you a Jew?

>>57520432
>Your mother in law's a Jew? Are you a Jew?

No, I just grew up reading Mad Magazine, you schmuck.

>>57517066
Yes except for big blocks, even though hardware doesn't exist yet

>>57518955
I love it when faggot glowies like you try to "how do you do fellow kids" when you aren't getting anywhere. What would you fat nigger bitch boss think of you using such language on the public dime? Can I talk to your manager?
>>57519055 (wasted)
>only retail druggie markets
Just wait until your jew overlords mandate the mark, you're gonna be begging for it so bad you'll actually learn esperanto.
>>57519068
1 XMR = 2 hrs = 2g Au = 6 Toz Ag

>>57485222
>Superior race
>Transistions the most
>HIghest amounts of incels
>On average white middle aged men kills themselves the most
>Most gays
>Barely reproducing
>Problems with dating
>Drug addicts
>Degenerate porn addicts
>On average weak & physical inferior
>most bullied race in their own European country by blacks and Arabs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTQ52-lhn3s

>>57522037
ohhhh jannyyyyyyy!!!

>>57521481
>1 XMR = 2 hrs = 2g Au = 6 Toz Ag
How is that related to my post though? You mean I should not have a USD pricelist?

>>57522237
Think about the kinds of gigs you would do. Even for the smallest one, what fraction of an hour would they take to do? If it doesn't up with what I sent, then it's doomed to failure. .01XMR isn't money to live off of, at least for now.