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>>57309374
Back to >>>/pol/

>>57309380
This is biz related faggot, these niggers in charge will blame the market meltdown being cooked right now to some bullshit crisis, and disease x is totally on the list

>>57309410
Go back to your contaiment board

>>57309410

>>57309419
>>57309428
I literally haven't touched pol in more than a decade by now retard, this is my containment board and denying the fact this is a biz related topic is asinine to say the least.

Banks loans are ending in march, and the domino fall will resume, what happened the last times masive QE and systemic failures kicked in?
Wars, lockdown, pandemics psy op after psy op after psy op.

It's the modus operandi of the people in charge, they cause irreversible damage to this system that's designed to fail from the start, create a crisis, and divert attention towards it.

>>57309446
Fuck off already you unbearable retard.

>>57309461
ok mongoloid, enjoy not being able to withdraw from your bank within the next 6 months.

>>57309374
you'll get dead

>>57309472
Med, now.

>>57309410
this, will we get another stimulus pump?

>>57309484
Idk anon, i really don't know, i don't think it's going to be another stimulus situation, i think it's going to be a human life culling this time, i honestly hope they hit the QE accelerator again, but we will get hit really hard.
Any change in monetary policy has a delay of 18 months, so we're not done yet with monetary contraction yet.
I don't see how we're going to kick the can down the road much longer while also staying unscathed, without massive changes in society in the next 5 years.

>>57309475
I'm not immunocompromised vaxxoid

>>57309374
can you imagine another covid bull run
why are they doing this bros? just release another covid and end the 2/3 of population already that's all you want to do fucking umbrella schemin mother fuckers

>>57309508
Will we get an exit pump? Seems likely, check btc chart during the rona dip, while it's true it was during QE and not QT we might go up just for the precedent it went up again after the rona dip, maybe is just me but we might see another pump starting in June leading into 2025

>>57309557
>Will we get an exit pump?
So far it's not invalidated, this is the exit pump, and i think we're topping around march/april.
The problem is that if we get a strong impulsive top within this range of dates, what comes next is likely a multi year bear market.
No anon, as much as i wish it was the opposite, late 2024 and 2025 will most likely become the result of the fallout of a massive systemic failure causing a market crash.
TL:DR every bank, every large financial institution, pension funds, etc... Is insolvent and leveraged or straight up a ponzi, and it takes one to fall to make the entire castle of cards fall.
That fall will without a doubt begin as soon as the FED pulls its BTFP loans (basically bailing out banks that bought bonds in 2021 that soon became worthless) and allowing them to repurchase new less worthless loans.

This rugpull of the banks will be extremely deflationary, we are going to head towards deflation within the next 6 months and in that deflationary period shit will hit the fans so bad that you might not recognize your city or town anymore, a lot of people will lose their job, a lot of people will lose all their funds from bail ins, it'll be a catastrophe.

Disease x makes sense in culling the population during such an event, as it'll give a sense to normalfags that the widespread death (yes unlike convid this one will kill) will be the cause of their financial demise.

They seem to be shilling RSV and the RSV vaccine pretty hard right now

>>57309484
Probably more stimulus and pauses on debts after some black swan events again. My thinking is: now that the jew banks can manipulate BTC prices and get normie money into their ETFs, they will pump BTC when stocks dive and get more people swapping their savings and retirement plans into crypto, which they can extract huge amounts of liquidity from, thus delaying a catastrophic failure for another year or 2. The medium term goal being to use the new mass acceptance of crypto to segway into a cbdc when they manage the fiat collapse. I think they'll accomplish this by purposefully crashing BTC, (after stocks are dying and inflation makes our bond yields a bad joke) leaving everyone ass out and fully dependent on whatever solution they offer.

I think the next 12-18 months will be the final crypto bullrun while they shake out most alts and normies start aping into all sorts of shit way too late, losing everything. The QE money will come in waves as it always does. It will pump stocks initially, but whichever black swan events happen will chip away those gains as the country grinds to a halt, and that subsequent QE and stimulus will be pumped into crypto and create the biggest fiat bubble the world has ever seen.

>>57309630
>and allowing them to repurchase new less worthless loans.
(and allowing them to repurchase new less worthless bonds)*

>>57309630
Why wouldn't the next crisis unfold in 2025 to be blamed on Trump? Do you think they'll have another pandemic close to US elections as the last time? It makes sense, I think the dems don't want to go to election during a recession that could be possibly blamed on them, unless they don't care which is probable. However my hope is that we'll still kick the can down the road with a nasdaq blow off top and then the rug will commence. I think we'll get a massive blowoff top and while April timing seems plausible we might get a little bit more time, surely the BTC ETF is out to short btc when that happens, while I am positive with March too, I think we'll get a bull liquidation before the blow off top, I don't think nasdaq is going to close lower, tech might rise in the same way as it did after the rona dip, especially with markets anticipating a similar behavior to 2019, I hope I'm right but I may be wrong. In any case I will be buying puts in March

>>57309374
you need another nationwide lockdown for that.
and there’s not going to be another lockdown with elections around the corner

>>57309682
>Why wouldn't the next crisis unfold in 2025 to be blamed on Trump?
Simply because i don't see how they can buy any more time.
They might i'm not discounting that option, but it really is hard to think how they are going to do it.
This >>57309667 might be an option, but still very unlikely, i don't see this trick pulling enough liquidity to keep anything remotely afloat for even just one year.
>Do you think they'll have another pandemic close to US elections as the last time?
I don't know man, they'll pull a black swan, be it disease X, be it a "cyberpandemic", WW III, i don't know but they'll do something drastic to distract us again and possibly slow down the money velocity if they try to save the system again and not let it crash and burn immediately.
>think the dems don't want to go to election during a recession that could be possibly blamed on them, unless they don't care which is probable
Politics don't matter, politicians don't matter, they really have zero say in any of this, they can play whatever games of blue vs red, but the matter stays the same, shit will hit the fans.
>we'll still kick the can down the road with a nasdaq blow off top and then the rug will commence
If we get a blow off top in any of the markets, we are not kicking anything, that's the exit pump for those in the know.
>think we'll get a bull liquidation before the blow off top
Don't count on it, max pain is up, none is ready for a blow off top, not a single soul wants that to happen, that'd be terrible for accumulators, and future pricing alike.
If OTC purchases continue at the same pace, we're going to start running up really fucking hard, really fucking soon OP, with no rest or dip to be able to slurp.
>I will be buying puts in March
I suggest you exit with physical metals, or material proprieties anon, there won't be a counterparty to pay for your short if shit truly hits the fans.

>>57309667
This. It'll be rona dip 2.0,just check the chart, we literally are in January 2019

>>57309728
>Simply because i don't see how they can buy any more time.

True, time is almost up I'm afraid the other scenario is a triple top in march/april

>I don't know man, they'll pull a black swan, be it disease X, be it a "cyberpandemic".

These swans are bullish for crypto

>think the dems don't want to go to election during a recession that could be possibly blamed on them, unless they don't care which is probable

Politicians don't matter but market makers do not want Trump campaigning during a bugaloo like this but I may be wrong.

>we'll still kick the can down the road with a nasdaq blow off top and then the rug will commence

I mean we'll kick it for another 12-18 months as >>57309667 implied, it makes sense, boomers will close 2024 with some btc gains and will be happy and greedy, maybe buying more in 2025 and will get rugged by 2026. Then the real black swan can happen especially with Trump in the white house to be blamed for.
>think we'll get a bull liquidation before the blow off top
They always liquidate retail trying to short, Nasdaq will blow off top either in March or after but there'll be a Nasdaq blow off top before shitf
>I will be buying puts in March
Metals are overrated but thanks for the tip, I will be buying a farm and get the fuck out of cities

>>57309728
Oh, I have faith in the international banks to pull quite a bit of liquidity from a "new" market that they can manipulate lol.

Also, I disagree with the deflationary crisis. That's a real possibility on paper, but it doesn't take into account that most of our major trading partner's currencies are in worse shape than us. We still have the military and economic power to force those countries to eat shit first before they threaten to dump too much of our debt. Just look at Japan. We're all (western nations) gonna go down together when it happens, and I think that crypto will play a big role in their management of the collapse. I also think that their cbdc system and great reset ideas will be tried and will fail, and that the current system of international banking will be dissolved by 2032 as many nations lose their ability to control their populations, having nothing worth offering them anymore in terms of security or financial prosperity.

We enter the new aquarius age this year, in and out a bit, then fully in 2025. This is the Capricorn episode finale and the Aquarius prelude to season one. We're gonna see the entire paradigm change over the rest of this decade with it finalizing in 2032, at which time a new golden age of mankind begins in full.

>>57309880
this fucking aquarius thing is taking it's damn time, since 2020 people have been saying the same shit
muh aquarius age and never nothing happens

>>57309880
>>57309933
>astrologyfags

opinion discarded.

>>57309933
You can just read/listen to any decent astrologer to learn what the specific movements are. It's a very long cycle, but there are loads of other cycles concurrent with the shift into this new Air age. Check out Ray Merriman Market Analysis for an idea how it will likely pan out in terms of finance, but most any reputable astrologer will have some interview or blog recently outlining the major moves with the dates for this year. We get another return into the real aquarius cycle this year, then it shifts out, then back in.

I don't have my notes with the dates in front of me, but my overall plan is to cash out in early May and reenter in June with some specific moves on 4/20 and a few other days. You can use the astro information available to come up with your own plan depending on what you're invested in.

This new virus fucking sucks. My brother had it and im still suffering from it. Ive got walking pnuemonia. Any my dad just got it yesterday.
We all had to throw up and had diarrhea for 1 day. Watch out with this virus

>>57309968
Check it out for yourself. Merriman for example has all of his old posts and predictions on his site. You can read for yourself and see how accurate he's been. It's just another resource and it's widely used by much wealthier people than myself lol.

>>57310028
"Shift into aquarius this weekend

>>57310053
i doubt that's disease x, but i had the same symptoms 2 weeks ago, spent 3 days running to the toilet every 15 minutes, having refluxes of puke and fever.
>>57310073
I'm not heavy into astrology, but i've noticed its patterns.
I'm curious if anything symbolic will happen as the clock ticks the new age.

>>57309374
Fuck that pedo faggot retard

>>57310053
Ok, bill gayes. Should have gotten the covid booster. Trust the science, chud!

>>57310055
tell me when the top is going to be then

>>57310092
Then this virus everybodys getting is literally worse than what theyre gonna shill unto us

>>57310092
Ya, I never thought much of it before myself, but started taking it more serious the past year or so. It's in my arsenal now. Just like I do with indicators, when I see the same divergence/trend across several, I get a much better idea on a particular movement or direction. I take the astro information and apply it to what I know/read/deduce to come up with medium term strategies. (and sometimes short term stuff with transits). Sorta like how martin Armstrong uses it, but I don't have any advanced predictive algorithms...just my brain lol.

>>57310145
Pay for a report from someone. I haven't, so idk, nor do I know if anyone is claiming a specific top to the crypto bullrun. The week of March 17th I think? And April 20th should be tops, as well as early May, then a dump till June when Gemini comes into play at which point there should be a massive rally and retracement.

Again, I don't base my entire strategy on it, nor would I encourage anyone to do so. I don't even know why I'm defending it except to help a few anons interested I guess. Believe it or don't, but there's a reason astrologers (and RVers) are employed by and contract to corporations, politicians, and billionaires.

>>57309410
Sorry to break it to you anon, but no one on this board actually wants to discuss the economic implications of policy enactment.

This board is full of faggot zoomers who take part in pump and dumps and get rich quick schemes. No long term investments except precious metals which these zoomies also despise.

In my opinion, any form of stimulus would lead to short term spending increase, but since it's not a steady income it would be just another bandage, which the US government is very fond of, so it is possible.

>>57310281
IMO the most two likely scenarios are either triple top in march april then rug or blow off top in 2025 around may then rug

>>57310378
Ya so, (good) mundane astrologers have other bits of info that, again, often seem to correlate with regular market indicators. For instance, early last year one guy (not financial specific) was joking to short Disney and that it would crash based on some specific movements. It didn't take a genius to say Disney was going in the shitter lol, but then Disney rallied for a few weeks with the old CEO news and everyone thought they'd reverse. Its still bleeding now. It's probably gonna BK. He saw the end of some creativity cycle and something else that marked the end of Disney.

The 2 guys I took notes on for the next 6 months are saying a dump in may, then a pump in June back to spring ath (at the least). Those are just macro trends though...for specifics, you've gotta pay them to make a chart, or buy a ready made report.

If you're interested in checking it out on the most basic level, you could take long and short positions based off the moon cycles on trading view. There used to be some threads here about it, though I'm not a swingie so I've not tried it myself. It did correlate pretty well on the few charts I remember seeing posted though.

>>57309683
maybe lockdowns are necessary for them to "manage" this election similar to 2020 with mail-in ballots or some kind of e-voting thing

if covid-but-actually-dangerous gets released and everyone's grandma dies AND they do some kind of war/false flag/cyberattack like they've been hinting, i could see the panic being big enough that they call for either the election to be suspended or to do it some weird new way that's susceptible to fraud.
also with trump getting taken off the ballot and texas putting state troops on the border and denying feds access, we appear to be entering the escalation ladder for civil war (similar to how with the Iran/Israel/Yemen situation we appear to be entering the formal escalation ladder for WW3)

fun fact, the internet was created for exactly this type of scenario, gradually increasing threat levels and nonlinear escalation. this is back in the 1960s with mutually assured destruction, herman kahn and the RAND institute/Hudson institute.
what we're seeing right now both domestically and internationally is literally EXACTLY word for word what has been wargamed almost yearly for half a century about the collapse of the post-ww2 global system.
fun fact, Klaus Schwab was trained and put into prominence by Henry Kissinger Herman Kahn and the Council on Foreign Relations, again, for EXACTLY the situation we're seeing play out since 2020.
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/investigative-reports/dr-klaus-schwab-or-how-the-cfr-taught-me-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/
if you read "the report from iron mountain," it's all there. all of it. we are witnessing a stage play, it's a controlled demolition. all the world is LITERALLY (not figuratively) a stage.
(the solution on how to make it better is to remember that We The People are also actors, and not just audience members)

>>57309824
>These swans are bullish for crypto
certain cryptos, ISO20022 cryptos

>>57309630
No, oligarchs are parasites, they don't control the world only steal via monetary expansion, without continued debasement their grift falls apart. An actual pandemic would be the end of the current elite, and a deflationary crash would be good for everyone but the oligarchs

>>57310722
Unfortunately i think there's a game plan beyond just debasing and stealing, their control might reduce on one hand, but will solidify on what "leftovers" people they'll have control on.

I believe there's a reason for them propping up this complete shit of a system and this and it isn't just for greed or evil, other than their pawns being moved by it.
I honestly believe there's a catastrophe looming, and they are just draining the system from all its resources and wealth to allow humanity to survive through it, but this is just speculation.

>>57309380
>Back to /pol/
You must have missed the Managing Director of the IMF Kristalina Georgieva saying in April 2021 that
>Vaccine policy is economic policy
She said then that the IMF would set target quotas for the number of people vaccinated and that countries which hit the target would get favourable loan arrangements but countries which failed their targets would be santioned.
So pandemics, whether real, imagined or exaggerated, are definitely an economic matter

>>57310798
It could very well be, but if there is some existential, outside global catastrophe looming, there's not much anyone can do about it beyond flee the planet lol.

On that note, watching their moves, I almost get the impression that all this gameplanning and these controlled collapse ideas were setup by an elite class that's seemingly abandoned the management class. Like there's no real leaders anymore and the various department heads are battling it out with each other, trying to use the playbooks they were left with, but often going off script due to their ineptitude. That's just the impression I keep getting. With that said, there is definitely going to be more wars. The US is entering it's Pluto war cycle (revolutionary war, civil war, and our entry into WWII all happen within a year +/- Pluto's return). They'll be necessary distractions, but also resources grabs. I don't think we'll see any large coalitions form til next year though. Everyone is still trying to figure out how to best position themselves based on our (US) weakness/strength levels.

>>57310930
>flee the planet
Not flee, bury themselves underneath it.
>https://zzzchan.xyz/pol/thread/3243.html
I'll drop the chase and say it, the end is unironically near.
this post should clarify what i mean, it's a pretty complete TL:DR of it, i've been onto this for almost a decade now, it's now becoming more known, sometimes i've seen posts on biz referencing to it too.

The elite are either living like there's no tomorrow, or preparing a plan to save a select few.
If you're vaxxed you chose death.

>>57310930
you might be interested in this interview with a City of London freemason whistleblower. it's from a few years ago but outlines current events very closely and says that all the geopolitical/economic turmoil is just preparing the way for a celestial event (pole shift or similar)
https://projectavalon.net/lang/en/anglo_saxon_mission_en.html

What our source reports is this:

There is a planned Third World War, which will be nuclear and biological. Our source believes that this is on track to be initiated within the next 18-24 months.

It is planned to begin with a strike by Israel on Iran. Either Iran or China will be provoked into a nuclear response. After a brief nuclear exchange, there will be a ceasefire. The world will be thrown into fear and chaos - all carefully engineered.

The extreme state of tension will be used to justify heavy social and military controls in all western first world nations. Plans are already in place for that.

During the nuclear ceasefire, there is planned to be a covert release of biological weapons. These will initially be targeted against the Chinese. As our source chillingly told us, "China will catch a cold". Biological warfare will spread further, to the west. Infrastructure will be critically weakened.

This is intended to be just the beginning. After this, a full nuclear exchange would be triggered: the "real" war, with widespread destruction and loss of life. Our source tells us that the planned population reduction through these combined means is 50%. He heard this figure stated in the meeting.

This horrific scenario has been planned for generations. The first two world wars were part of the set-up for this final apocalypse - as is the centralization of financial resources that was precipitated with the equally well-planned financial collapse of October 2008.

>>57311024
>anglo_saxon_mission_en
That's the catastrophe, that's exactly the name of the operation, i haven't read your post, but they want to dominate the post catastrophe world, they want their race to prosper and stand above the rest in the new world.

>>57310798
Monetary expansion is wholly unnecessary for the health of the economy, it's only necessary to secure risk free returns for the parasitic oligarchs, for what is created when new money is created other than a new fraudulent claim on existing resources? Crisis is a smokescreen, not only preventing bothersome questions about the need of expansitory policy but also providing a narrative explanation for the declining QoL caused by such policy. Chaos =/= Crisis, chaos would very very quickly cause complete and irreversible loss of control by the oligarchs.

>>57310996
Yes, lots of evidence of massive groups of humans living underground in prehistory, and everyone is aware of "elite bunkers" etc...but I'm alluding to breakaway civilization(s) of which I'm beginning to believe exist moreso everyday. I really don't know what/who they are or what all they might be capable of, but I assume they are comprised of the "true" elite, and that folks like royals or the Rothschilds etc... are the management classes. They are the elite to us, and God knows they control some tech that will blow our minds soon, but I don't think the buck stops there. The management class is acting very scared and desperate recently. If they believed their tech and plans would save them, there'd be no reason for the insane levels of censorship, the worsening propogaganda, and tiringly overt fear/control tactics. They're losing control, and their own operatives are increasingly inept. They seem to lack the leadership they once had. They're coming to grips with their hubris, and concentrating on perpetuating their own seperate factions now. We're all just caught in the middle lol.

>>57309728
>none is ready for a blow off top
You not being ready for it doesn't mean other people are not ready

>>57311992
look around, how many have loaded up preparing for a blow off top and how many are readying up for a dump instead?

How many large players haven't had enough time to load up massive bags before the ETF launched and supply OTC has been drained at record numbers?

Last week we had historical selling on pressure on btc and look at where we are.
None is ready other than people preparing exactly for this scenario.

>>57309428
literally me (based)

>>57309630
how about this scenario
>trump wins the election
>ends the war in ukraine
>a bull market

>>57313073
Based WAGMI

>>57310172
>>57310092
How many covid shots have you had in total?

>>57309446
This guy gets it, unlike other "people" in this thread.

>>57309374
if you get pangolin brain virus, you'll get nothing

>>57309380
>>57309419
>>57309461
>>57309481
>>57309933
>>57310053
>>57310172

You vaxxie faggots need to fuck off my board.
3 years of covid tyranny and some of you idiots still think like complete normies.

Do everybody a favor and go back to plebbit.

>t. you are a VAIDS nigger

>>57309374
>stimulus
The inflation caused by the stimulus was greater than the stimulus. Get out of here with your poorfag thinking and seeking of gibs.

>>57314563
you think I give a shit about gibs? I want them to print more

>>57313073
Very delusional, politics don't matter, it's a systemic problem, it's a machine that expires it's lifespan.
>>57313402
None, I'm not cattle