/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>57289109
your supply of people who will build you a house out of stone is low

>>57289109
because you can easily fix and replace them and regardless of the low iq memes, wood is an amazing building material

>>57289109
Bricks also rot.
There's loads of wood in America. Timber is a very good building material, it's the quality that's important. I would be happy to live in a timber house.

>>57289109
>why do we pay hundred thousands dollars for something will basically rot in a few decades?
b-because you're paying for the laaaaaand!!!!!

Fuck boomers. They are basically the worst aspect of jews

>>57289116
>>57289128

what about metal such as steel? its abundant.

>>57289116
people care more about cost to fix or replace anything. the material isn't as important as the cost

>>57289142
Steel-alone buildings are mostly used for cheap garages and sheds. See "Quonset Huts". Wood frame houses with siding and insulation are generally much nicer to live in.

>>57289116
>This
Also timber has more appropriate thermal properties for colder climates. Eurotards will sperg out about his 400 year old stone hovel that you can't even take a proper shit in due to ancient plumbing and act like its a good thing.

we should all live under packed mud with grass growing on top

>>57289109
Because you are a retard and bought a bag pile of sticks when you could have milled your own post and beam
Boomers scammed you of real life sorry
Post and beam houses will last more than a thousand years if taken care of
LINCOLN LOGS
AMERICAS NATIONAL TOY
Fucking pathetic

>>57289109
US just historically has less stone houses because they were build in a fast-growing expansionary time (Westward expansion 1800-1860). The houses built by OG Europeans used stone, see e.g. Boston.

If US would use same materials as in Europe, it would be MUCH, MUCH more expensive in the US. Think double or triple material cost.

On the other hand, there is no reason for Europe to build everything as if there will be earthquakes and hurricanes every year - because there isn't. Plus, Europe changes so fast that you have massive stone-built houses in parts where there is no economy, completely overkill and no need for that.

>>57289142
Heat insulation.

>>57289109
>will basically rot in a few decades
Stop pretending to be an idiot.

>>57289109
>>57289116
>>57289128
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>>57289199
My slav ancestors did when they came to the prairies
https://youtu.be/AUXbZ1R4Ge4?si=o8dODJMByM_Wm-nW

you're really paying for the land underneath it

>>57289109
oh look it's another overnight
>american homebuilding
thread

>>57289109
I don't get it either
In Poland 95% of houses are built out of reinforced concrete, ceramic bricks and ceramic roof tiles everything covered in 8+ inch of thermal insulation, and it's the same price overall as building the American/Canadian/Scandinavian way, I don't get what's the appeal of that I see only cons and no pros

>>57289731
>I dont get the appeal
Thats why you clean our toilets

>rot in a few decades
He's trolling, right? Nobody is this stupid... Right?

>>57289597
This is incredibly retarded. If Australia had violent tornadoes at the rate middle America does you’d be seeing the top picture just as often.

>>57289852
Keep coping, you live in a particle board cardboard shed and pay crazy property tax or they take it from you lol

>>57289109
because america isn't about building anything lasting but only about scamming as much energy and labor out of the average person as possible. america is a loosh farm hellscape. what a shithole of a country.

>>57289865
Austrian, not Australian you dumbfuck

>>57289109
It is a nightmare to make a non-veneer brick or stone house up to code without making it's cost astronomical. Your local code inspector will make your life hell if you use solid masonry construction.

Most of the United States has either hurricanes, tornados, or earthquakes, which make it unappealing to build houses that aren't reasonably cost effective to rebuild/fix. The parts of the United States that don't have those problems (e.g. New England) often lacked a good source of limestone for making lime mortar, which meant that even in the colonial times most people still built out of wood (it's one of the reasons you don't see a ton of stone houses in Vermont, Maine, or New Hampshire).

Knowledge of stonemasonry has been kept alive in Europe almost entirely as a function of the niche industry of cathedral restoration/maintenance. Because the United States doesn't have huge numbers of cathedrals, abbeys, castles, etc. that people need to repoint or patch up, the art of traditional masonry has mostly gone extinct outside a tiny number of people who mostly do retaining walls now (but have never built a house).

>>57289865
>Australia
Kek

>>57289114
Bricks are not stones and you don't live in a house you retarded bong. Houses do not touch each other. You live in an apartment.

>>57289932
>hurr durr he read the similar looking word wrong

The point still stands, faggot

Look at the burgers. They've only heard of wood and stone. Brick and concrete is where it's at. Jesus.

>>57289965
The fact you can look at the home and think Australia shows how low IQ you are

>>57289935
Icf is where it's at. You get a reinforced concrete structure, a nice discount on your homeowners insurance, and they're more energy efficient than any stick framed house. The only real downside for Americans is that a crew of 5 Mexicans can't just slap one up in a week lol.

>>57289945
>he thinks brick houses arent just wood houses that have a layer of brick on the outside

>>57290008
Yeah I don’t give a fuck about Europe or what your shanties look like. Either way that bottom home is getting fucking obliterated by an EF5 tornado just the same as any American home.

>>57290066
>>57289965
>The point still stands
Your point stands like american house after minor wind.

Wood won't rot quickly if it's properly maintained. It's covered by layers of vinyl, drywall, liner, the elements shouldn't be getting to it. It's very versatile and easy to insulate. It is just the sweet spot of affordability, durability, versatility. Repairs or additional maintenance work on other kinds of materials are tedious and expensive.

>>57289945
>>57290049

Holy kek this retard thinks "brick" buildings are actually solid brick and not a veneer of brick over a wood frame

>>57289984

Concrete like the favela masses of LatAm or the squatting post commie slavs? Go ahead and build concrete cinderblock cuck shacks for yourself Jose. Concrete will wear down arguably faster than wood + vinyl.

I don't think Europeans really comprehend just how strong a tornado is. You either have to build with replaceable wood, or build a reinforced concrete fortress. All forms of based trad stone and brick structures would get ripped apart due to lack of tensile strength.

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1705240915846743.webm

>>57290049
I was in a house where the owner was bragging about how it was a real (double brick) house. It was summertime and I asked him if he had his brick vents open. He had no idea what they were or why he should open them lol. He told me he thought they were something to do with coal for the original furnace or boiler.

Those houses still exist in the US, but the knowledge of how to live in them efficiently has been mostly lost after the bulk of the country retrofitted residential heating systems to work with forced air. If you Google brick vents, you get a ton of reddit results with people encouraging each other to seal them up, or fill the cavities with insulation. No one seems to remember their 6th grade science lessons on convection, let alone how that might apply to a large structure purpose built with an air cavity.

>>57289109
>go to the store
>buy some Chinese/Taiwanese/Japanese/etc junk that WE KNOW will break/not work to begin with just because it's cheap
>throw it away in month or less and rinse and repeat
DA NEW 'MERICAN WAY HOMIE

>>57289109
in europe, they built out of stone, before electricity and modern plumbing, as a result, they have to show their pipes and wires outside the walls, and when they want to remodel its a big headache. vs in the new world where its all hidden from view inside the walls, and remodeling is cheap. i like stone personally but it makes sense to build with wood for the teeming masses.

>>57289109
There's nothing wrong with building with wood.
My country home is made of wood and logs. Situated in Northern-Europe and being over 100 years old.
The building quality is what matters.

>>57290249
>measured reasonable logic
Sir this is a seethe thread

my wooden house is over 120 years old and still in great shape. Cedar siding is great stuff, I just replaced some of the boards on one side that gets the most sun and rain on it and it was original. It has original pitch pine floors (i need to refinish them) and about half of the interior walls are original lathe and plaster. Wood construction will last a really long time as long as it is well designed and has a good roof. Water is the only real concern.

That being said, once I make it, I'm going to build a solid granite house with structural arches and columns and a slate or copper roof that will last 300 years. It will still be a comfy ruin in 4,000 years

>>57290096
Bong """houses"""" are brick commie blocks. You are alloted a sliver of the building to dwell in like a goy pod. You may park your 10 year old ford focus in the street in front of your pod slice.

>>57289109
The weird part is that I live in Europe and I actually wanted to build a wooden house but it turns out it's significantly cheaper to build from brick.

>>57290249
The wood used in American homes 100 years ago was not only much, much denser, but often thicker too. We've already harvested the old growth, so we use much younger and less dense wood. To compensate, we've developed products using this softer wood mixed with glues and polymers. Most modern stick framed houses here really are shit. Depending on the area, they won't last more than a season or so without constant heating/cooling and dehumidification as the engineered wood products will begin to delaminate and rising moisture content in the kiln dried young growth pine studs, joists, and rafters will cause warping.

A stick framed house built in the past 40 years in America is not in the same ballpark of quality as one built 100 years ago, because our dimensional lumber took a massive dive in quality around the early 1980s and more engineered lumber products began being used.

>>57290409
I did some googling when I first started seeing these threads pop u all the time. Europe is basically deforested from hundreds of years of use, they can’t use wood because there’s hardly any left/enough left for structures.

>>57290084
kek

>>57289142
Steel can still rust and degrade. It is also not great for heat retention and can cause thermal bridges that allows heat from inside your home to escape.
>>57289597
Tornadoes can be common in some areas so there's no point in building up with expensive materials when your house could be destroyed.
Also these Austrian houses also have a whole load of timber in them. You just cannot compare a rouge boulder falling down a mountain with a tornado

>>57289906
This
If you build a house that lasts 5 generations how will the Jews make money

>>57290453
>Europe is basically deforested from hundreds of years of use, they can’t use wood because there’s hardly any left/enough left for structures.
That was one of the problems when they wanted to restore the Notre Dame after it burned down, they weren't sure if France still had enough large oaks to rebuild the roof. Turns out they did but it required a lot of searching (they had to go through 80 forests to find enough).

https://geographical.co.uk/culture/raising-the-roof-the-race-to-restore-notre-dame

>>57290563
It really is the mentality. Residential building codes in most states are essentially: the bare minimum, good enough it should last 40 years in ideal conditions. Just think about the fact that 7/16" OSB is acceptable for use as roof decking. If you have a small leak on a roof like that and it absorbs water for a few months, it might delaminate into mush and you'll put your foot right through it if you walk on it. It would take years for a leak to go unnoticed on a (formerly standard) 5/4 board roof before rot could set in to such a profound extent.

Builders here are generally going to build the cheapest way they can to maximize profits. And given the fuckery in our housing market and financing, you can't blame them for wanting to get in and out as quick as possible so they're not left holding the bag the next time the jew banks want to play games with everyone's mortgages.

>>57290453
>Europe is basically deforested from hundreds of years of use, they can’t use wood because there’s hardly any left/enough left for structures.
That's not actually true, timber production in EU and USA are more or less comparable. There's a shitton of forests left and all european countries have adhered to forest management policies for centuries. Countries like Germany, Sweden or Poland are huge wood exporters.

>>57289142

The Frost house was made and designed with this in mind. Architect Emil Tessin had 3 version of this home that could be built well, cheap and quickly. Now pretentions redditors live in it and hopefully it gets nuked.

You can find the original designs to use for future use as they are available for free use via USA website

https://thefrosthousedotcom.wordpress.com/

>>57290619
It's true that it's not easy to find old (tall) trees anymore because they're mostly useless, so it's not economically viable to let trees grow for too long. There are very few uses for trees older than 80 years (in case of pines, not sure about other trees, I'm a pine guy).

>>57289109
Because we have a lot of trees

wood doesn't rot by itself

>>57289142
Not sure if this was troll, but steel is not a metal, it's an alloy. And despite what people are saying, it's actually a very good construction material, but it's very expensive compared to alternatives. Many skyscrapers used to be built on steel frames, but nowadays it's cheaper and easier to use prestressed concrete

>>57290714
Apples also don't rot "by themselves", but they do rot when exposed to environmental factors, same happens to wooden buildings if they're not properly treated (impregnated from water / insects / rodents).

>>57290745
ridiculous example. put a piece of wood indoors and it will never rot. the apple will obviously still rot.

>>57290174
in europe environmental regulations force people to insert chemical insulation into their convection space giving them the beautiful effects of chemical garbage polluting their inside air permanently since no natural airflow anymore and moisture buildup in the walls causing massive fungal problems and still people pay quite a lot of money to have this procedure done
there is really no utter retardation like green retardation

My house is dual layer brick, semi detached bungalow built in the 60s, will probably last for 1000 years bar a few roof / window replacements and a few tins of paint. And it sits on a half acre plot.

Seethe stickniggers

>>57290880
are you implying wooden houses are safe from he environment because they are built indoors?

>>57290930
>semi detached
Ew

>>57290911
This thread is full of bad takes but this one is the dumbest by far. Europe actually leads the way in HVAC innovation, new houses built in EU are typically equipped with mechanical ventilation heat recovery, which means air in the house is clean (filtered constantly) and has constant humidity levels regardless of weather outside or other factors.

>>57291012
they are enveloped by some barrier like housewrap so yes

>>57291038
new houses here have ervs and they were invented by a canadian company. next europeans will take credit for the lightbub or aeroplane

>>57290911
That sucks. I assume those folks also complain on hot days and/or run AC much more than they should. When you get down to, mandating something like that on a double brick structure is essentially saying the owner is too stupid to know when to open and close some vents lol.

There's an old German community in my area. They built a nice little brick town around the early 1800's. All of the buildings are still standing and parts are open for tours. There is no AC in any buildings, yet even on the hottest of days it's a good 15* cooler in those buildings and several have wine/cheese cellars that maintain constant temps (maybe 60F?) all year round.

Our knowledge of efficient and durable residential building has been declining since the roman era.

>>57291038
>yes goy, you must install a 100k€ system (after install) for heating and air exchange with 1000€/year upkeep because regulation says so
>not our problem you can't afford a house and have to rent
>oy vey, why are you not having children
>gotta import retarded third worlders that shit in the street instead and put them in aforementioned houses with your tax dollars
>WHY AREN'T YOU WORKING ANYMORE GOYIM, YOU ARE ALL FUCKING LAZY
yeah, Europe is leading the way along with the US on suiciding itself.

>>57291038
He was talking about ruining the convection in a double brick building, not new construction. No one is building double brick houses anymore that I'm aware of (at least not in the US).

>>57291105
oh and the 1000€ upkeep is without electricity cost mind you. you can of course skip the upkeep and enjoy the mold in your air system if you want to.

>>57291038
this was my mistake for assuming tolerabele levels of autisme in readers, clearly the wrong approach to this place
yes you are correct new housing is build with pretty solid hvac and good technical innovations even if their price point probably implies you never recover it in your lifetime from heating bill reductions

i however was talking about existing homes that were build lets say pre 2000 with the old method or natural ventilation without any hvac
to get these up to standards there are 2 ways: the smart one of putting these special water proofed isolation tiles to the outside walls which are banned by city coding as you are increasing the footprint of your house and this is a big nono
so the only other way is filling up the only void you have in your house which completely fucks the ventilation
the only way this is somehow possible is if indeed the goal is to destroy older homes so parents cant give their house to their statistic one child and make them bypass the mortgage since that would be antisemitic
and factoring in that in most of europe the existing housing stock is huge compared to the population and new construction relatively low this has massive implications

>>57291191
OK fair point I apologize

>>57290911
insulation of existing buildings poses a serious challenge which can't be overcome by all the retarded sub 80 IQ retards working in construction nowadays.
the building materials to do it correctly all exist but you need know how to do it correctly whithout causing problems. and even if the people that plan the upgrade know their shit, the people executing it often do the sloppiest shittiest work ever and fuck it up.
It's fucking egregious how fucking retarded most renovations are done and especially when you consider that most times people opt for the hazardous waste type materials.

>>57291213
We have posters itt that think Javier's stapled and duct taped sheets of tyvek and a roll of mudguard will protect their stick framed homes from moisture penetration lol.

I know this is a played out slide thread but, thanks for the bit of interesting conversation this morning euro fren.

>>57291077
>complain on hot days
not too many of those, heatwaves rarely last a week and factoring in the thermal inertia of brick housing excess heat isnt really a problem

>>57291213
altho the level of the workers is a serious problem especially on big things like infrastructure or skyscaper tier buildings the perfect solution exists like i mentioned above
i dont know the english name for it, but its basically a tile of isolation material that you just stick to your wall with special mortar glue its 80 iq tier work, but the problem is city building codes forbid increasing your exterior footprint at all costs
in any case there is literally no excuse for filling up your double brick structure with toxic chemicals

>>57289109
>rot in a few decades
Maybe hire someone competent people to build it?

>>57291319
>tile of isolation material
Multipor ? YTONG?
>filling up your double brick structure with toxic chemicals
what are you specifically talking about ? i've only seen cellulose (from paper) and perlite used but i don't work in the shitting up houses business so idk.

>>57291319
I can't see how filling a dead air space like that in the winter with insulation would provide much more benefit given the thermal mass of brick like you mentioned. I guess if the exterior wall needed repointing or was otherwise drafty, but, it's already dead air lol. Maybe a reflective material would show an increase in stored heat? What are they actually filling the convection spaces with?

I live in Florida. My house was built in the 1950s. All of the exterior walls are concrete block. Obviously built for hurricane proofing, and quite successfully. This house has been through quite a few direct hits.

>>57291385
>>57291408
cellulose lol you wish its either polyurethane foam, so thats both chemical active and has massive outgassing into your now airtight inner housing space or urea-formaldehyde which is literally pumped into your wall as a volatile chemical mixture so it foams up and hardens out inside your wall
i am not familiar with the multitude of chemical reactions you are exposing yourself to here but its shit even in the best case

and its something like multipor or ytong which is the same but with mor or less airvoids and having one side of the tile with some attached layer that can be exposed directly to the outside, this is not my main area of expertise so lets see if i can find a source for this

>>57291280
what are we sliding btw it isnt like there is some high interest event going on right now
this is just some anons talking about something that interests them and cant be disrupted by the shills since no construction company pays for biz shilling

>>57291408
>I can't see how filling a dead air space like that
oh you get it wrong it has nothing to do with changing the actual isolation value in reality
it all has to do with changing the bureaucraticly derived value of your house
its really to stupid to explain but there exist a .gov playbook with how to calculate the value for your house and it says doing this increases the value so its mandated, but yeah in reality the effect will be minimal at best

>>57291500
>polyurethane
yeah, i just checked and that seems to be a thing apparently.
again, i've only ever seen cellulose or perlite being blown into the void. in the case of perlite it is entirely rot resistant and both can carry water vapour.
yeah, most petrochemical building materials suck ass from any ecological perspective and are only used because they are cheapest at first glance.
polyurethane has a very low U-Value, that's why it is used but it doesn't transport water vapour and has no water capillary action so if moisture comes from anywhere (be it moist inside air or rain on the outside) it stays damp for an eternity.

>>57291500
Checked and I figured it was nasty spray foam lol. The premise of venting dbrixk structures was, as far as I know, for better heating and cooling, but it has the added benefit of removing excess moisture from below grade. It's pretty amazing that this aspect is overlooked by euro governments.

Also, slide thread is a misnomer. It's a demoralization thread that's often posted here and pol to make Americans feel like shit about either owning or trying to buy a house.

>>57291551
>>57291557
yeah thats the point any person with 2 functional brain cells will figure out that moisture is a big problem, so like i said earlier i can only imagine that destroying the existing housing stock is the intended goal
and you always have inside moisture simply from breathing let alone cooking on the inside in winter that will vent out due to the thermal gradient between inside air and outside air but the moisture is trapped somewhere in your wall and fucks the whole thing up

Hey look it's another europoor cope and seethe thread

>>57291607
It might just be regular ineptitude and groupthink. I lived in a town that mismanaged their funds and couldn't afford to fix the storm drains. The solution was a new code requirement that everyone's gutters be disconnected from the storm drains and exited on their own properties. Within 10 years, most of the retaining walls had collapsed or been replaced and many houses had sagging and cracking foundations.

I sold my house there before it would start to collapse, but some of my neighbors refused to believe me that our foundations would inevitably be destroyed, since the entire town was built into a hillside. Their houses were still standing after 80 years, so why would it go anywhere now? Their government wouldn't enforce a code that ruined their house, right? Many still live there and I'm sure the local waterproofing and foundation repair companies love that town lol.
The group mind is often extremely retarded.

>>57290911

it's called a fan. If the house you're living in has all its air cracks sealed up from insulation, the house becomes nearly airtight, so you install a fan that exchanges all the air in your house every few hours. LEED certification calls for this and most new homes are being built this way. Also, most of the harmful VOCs that insulation, paint, etc. give off are within the first few days of being installed.

>>57291796
you cant be this retarded anon

>>57290066
>I'm retarded and low IQ because I don't care
Kek

>>57291713
>couldn't afford to fix the storm drains
kek. a town that cannot even afford its most basic infrastructure might as well not exist.
>everyone's gutters be disconnected from the storm drains and exited on their own properties
this should only be done if the soil is permeable and relatively flat with special retaining ponds to slowly drain (and filter) the water.
and yeah, the foundation should be water proof.

>>57291796
yeah, make your house like german cars. over engineered shit that cost ungodly amounts of money for upkeep.
oh nevermind, these ideas all come from germany...

>>57289109
A house has zero reason to outlive its inhabitants

>muh legacy
you will have none, incel

>>57291912
ah so here are the paid demoralizers that arent even reading the thread

>>57291912
>a house has zero reason
exactly, because it isn't sentient
no need for the rest of your retarded post

>>57289109
The wood is shit also. Literally sawdust and glue and the 2 by 4s are all shit low density new growth wood that is harvested at tree farms

>>57291932
>I have no argument
Personification is valid figurative language, and the point stands. The purpose of single detached family homes is for men and women to cohabitate, reproduce, raise children into adults, and increase the population of productive consoomers. No one has any incentive to build you a structure that outlasts a single human lifetime. Beyond that no one on this board is even achieving the first step in that sequence, so the homes that already exist are not for you.
None of you will be able to accomplish your dream of having a thousand-year Führerbunker. You get ze pod.

>>57291930
The pay is good but honestly I would do it even pro bono
Yes I am Jewish
Yes I vote Democrat

another obsession thread about their world leaders. I lol every time, rent free

Its a wish I have to live in a society where homes are a priority and folks are happier than content living in them, knowing that the house is ecofriendly, (sun orientation, shade, convection, natural materials) built to last generations (footprint for a new home requires harvesting of dozens of materials once again)

Let the people choose what type of house they live in, but build them sustainably and correct once. Let that be part of our lineage, the walls we once called home. Brainwashed to drool over cars, tech, etc etc but we cant love our homes and love the community outside our front doors.

One can wish.

>>57289109
cus kikes scammed them into thinking its normal

>>57291828

>i know nothing about modern construction, the post

>>57291905

a fan is over-engineered? building a house that's insulated well is over-engineered? you can live in your leaky, drafty house and lose money on heating and AC if you pride simplicity, i guess. I have lived in both kinds of houses. guess which one is more comfortable.

>57292232
>The pay is good but honestly I would do it even pro bono
a _ew doing anything for free? Don't make me laugh!

>>57292296
>a fan is over-engineered?
I'm using our local codes as reference, and believe me, a "fan" here would be an overcomplicated 10-20k system after install that a specialist has to clean once a year.
but yeah an air exchange fan with an air to air heat exchanger is a nice thing to have.
and no, an insulated house is not over engineered but it must be properly done.

>>57292296
>i havent read the thread but do comment on it
we already established this isnt about new houses
anyways the basic point is that the gov forces you to spend half a fortune to upgrade the isolation of your home for ecological reasons so you consume less nat gas to heat it in winter, this results in moisture problems
the solution to said moisture problem is inserting fans to replace the air every few hours, thus requiring you to reheat your house interior every few hours thus negating any proposed gains from extra isolation
besides the point that in this houses we are talking about there doesnt exist any previous hvac system so placing a 'fan' isnt nearly as easy as you seem to think it is
this is way i said i cant believe you are this retarded

nevermind the other comment, nuclear waste also loses most of its radiation in the first years this makes it safe to use as a construction material
this is how stupid you sound

>>57292397

a properly insulated house that loses some heat to air exchange fans is undoubtedly more efficient at heating than a house that loses heat to air leaks and no insulation. to say "any proposed gains is lost" is not true in the slightest. they are also not expensive to purchase or install. you make a hole in a wall/roof, some ducting from the fan and you have air exchange.They detect moisture automatically. they require no maintenance other than a filter. All of you are smoking crack if you think a fan is any more complicated to maintain than a furnace.

And to compare nuclear waste to VOCs, yeah I think there's no convincing you. you can always insulate with denim if you're a scared little hippy faggot, i guess.

>>57292544
>a properly insulated house
we have repeatably established this isnt the subject we are discussing about, cant tell if you have negative iq or simply refuse to read the thread
and in this specific case half live of emissions be they voc or radiation is fully comparable, outgassing chemical crap into an airtight home without proper ventilation is bad for your health no matter what you do for years after the installation

again nobody here is talking about new construction

>>57292597

the VOCs are gone within a few weeks, I don't know what you're on about. If you don't install a air exchange fan after insulating then you're not completing the job. the two aren't mutually exclusive. As i've stated most new building codes account for the reduction in air leakage after insulating by adding a fan. I can tell you have never heard of a blower door test. And most of all, the government doesn't go around forcing people to insulate their existing houses. The only time they have a say about something is if you're pulling permits for new construction or a remodel.

america bad. europe bad. construction bad. my iq high. cave man best man

>>57292654
wrong on all accounts, they do accumulate for a long time, there is absolutely no requirement for inserting extra ventilation after insulating your double brick space and due to cheapness this is regularly not done since most people are too ignorant on the subject since old construction codes made ventilation passive so nobody noticed its effects despite being very needed
and yes the government mandated insulation on existing house at the penalty of serious fines starting last year here

i dont know why you are referring to a blower door test which has nothing to do with what we are discussing and again is only mandated on new construction not old buildings

>The only time they have a say about something is if you're pulling permits for new construction or a remodel
utterly false greens are determined to destroy all houses in europe as the eu demands minimum isolation norms on all existing housing stock going up in years, but by 2050 all housing in europe has to meet some retardily high target that basically means all old houses have to be demolished and broken down since renovating to modern standards would be cost prohibitive
all of this is public info that a cursory google search will turn up

>>57291841
You're the one playing the semantics game over a typo and trying to defend a meme made by a smoothbrain.

> Low IQ

Projection much?

>>57290745
>impregnated from water
God I wish that was me

>>57289109
>Be American
>Have trees
>Use them

>>57289251
Finally, somebody who's honest.
Best explanation I've heard of, so far.

>>57290174
>fill the cavities with insulation
This has done a number on many houses in damp Greay Britain

>>57291905
There's more of that sort of infrastructure decay going on in the older parts of the US, particularly the rust belt. There was supposedly a big round of infrastructure spending passed by our current administration several years ago, but I'm not aware of any major repairs happening in my area yet. Most of our government seems to be operating in a "steal whatever they can on their way out the door" mode these past few years lol. If necessary, I'm pretty content to just stay in my general area where I'm not required to cross any bridges or drive through any run down, formerly industrial areas.

>>57291905
>kek. a town that cannot even afford its most basic infrastructure might as well not exist.
This is most of the country, anon.

https://www.businessinsider.com/suburban-america-ponzi-scheme-case-study-2011-10

My house is over 150 years old. Built from wood.

>>57289906
>because america isn't about building anything lasting but only about scamming
bingo. this is what flipped houses look like bland pieces of shit. structural damage etc, who cares just paint it white, throw down gray LVP and install a barn door. americans are dumb and fall for this every time.

>>57294257
It really does seem that easy. It's like slapping bondo into rusted out rockers and spray painting them primer brown before trading a car in. I also hate shiplap now, of which never used to have an opinion of lol.

Even worse, I genuinely feel bad for the families I know who've bought recently built homes in plans. It's insane the corners they can cut now. It's somehow legal to build a straight run of wall with no wood sheathing, just 1" foamboard button tacked to the studs. I'm not joking either, code here only requires sheathing for corners and around openings for lateral strength. Builders will use 1/2" OSB on the corners and around windows/doors, tack 1/2" foam on top of the OSB, then use 1" directly to the studs anywhere they can get away with it. The vinyl siding and drywall has more strength that the actual walls in parts of those places, and these places start around $300k, with entire neighborhoods selling out before their buikt.

The average buyer doesn't notice anything wrong until they accidentally shoot a rock right through their wall with the lawnmower, or start asking why the rear wall shakes when you slam the front door.

The whole thing is semitic and untenable.

>>57294452
>I genuinely feel bad for the families I know who've bought recently built homes in plans
it's just as bad for some old houses that were flipped. outdated non-weather-ready windows, deteriorating roofs, foundation issues, bad plumbing, shoddy electricals, all overlooked especially when people were waiving inspections and participating in bidding wars. you really only had to paint the damn thing white as the full extent of any renovation to flip a house from 2021-22.

>>57290157
I heard he lived but his wife fried

>>57289109
Houses lasting only 25 years is good for business goy. It means people will have to keep on buying new homes. They will need much more maintenance work too. It's a feature not a bug.

>>57289116
>Not a single wooden structure that has survived for more than a couple of centuries.
>Great wall of china, Parthenon all made from natural stone, clay brick and lime mortar
>Because lime mortar can be re softened, bricks and stone can be reused. Lime mortar is also breathable and flexible (adapting to weight of bricks) meaning no mold issues and no cracks.

Wood is straight fucking garbage, it only makes sense for floors and roof trusses. Muh earthquake excuse is so lame, look at how the Japanese build houses. They suffer plenty of earthquakes aswell as tsunamis and they use concrete.

>>57296345
Lime mortar weathers heavily and requires relatively frequent re-pointing if you don't want the structure to turn to rubble, particularly if you live anywhere that gets frost. It's why almost all masons add portland to their mortar mixes, straight lime mortar sucks.

>>57289109
wood doesnt rot unless its wet
there are wooden houses I drive buy here in new england that are 300 years old

>>57292296
>Muh insulation
You can't have an insulated house that is also breathable. The best insulated homes are made from thick solid brick load bearing masonry. Brick has a much high thermal coefficient than any insulatory material, simply because of it's density. Putting cavities in your walls is just going to create areas for mould to fester. All so you can walk around in a t shirt and shorts in the middle of winter

>>57296386
(What is rain)
(Fire hazard)

>>57296345
you are either completely braindead or underage
there are timber frame structures that are many hundreds to over a thousand years old all over europe and japan
japan is littered with sengoku period castles with 500 year old wood framing
timber framing lasts forever

>>57296386
Look at Paris look at London, there are no wooden structures left. I doubt there are any wooden structure in new England either, all I see there are brick homes.

>>57296411
>what is a roof
I really shouldnt be taking this bait

>>57296418
You're saying there are wooding castles? I admitted that wood is used for timber trussing and floors, but wood is just not good for exteriors or anything exposed to the elements

>>57296426
Roofs are usually clad in clay tiles or slate, wood is only used for the roof's frame. We are talking about pure wood frame goy houses with brick veneers here, not load bearing masonry.

>>57289109
Because Americans are poor so they buy houses made of the cheapest construction material which is wood

>>57296561
>Because Americans are poor