/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>51072
Not that important if you are well connected or have a sufficient amount of relevant work experience and the required skill set. Otherwise you are fucked

-love,

Anon

Just do some internships and it won't matter. But if you've never worked, the guy screening your resume will have to start with your school and GPA.

Good stuff at github will impress me more than any GPA.

But I'm neither Italian nor American.

>>51115
I was looking into google internships, but having no curriculum and previous job experience I think I won't be accepted in it either.
How hard is it to build experience if you already need experience to do it??
Fuck...

>>51072
>3.2 GPA at the most respected school for electrical/computer engineers in my state, possibly Australia
>still get consistently ignored for jobs
>always openly rejected by female HR people
Shit sucks even for people with GPAs that aren't bad.

>how important is GPA in finding a high paying job?
Bro, none of us can get a job. The only people I know who didn't have trouble getting a job after uni had 3.7+ GPAs.

>>51179 (>>51127 here)

Contribute to open-source (mega bonus if it's bug fix and not "I wanted new shiny feature so I made it").

I'd rather interview someone who actually worked with existing rusty code base than someone who worked only on school projects that nobody uses.

>>51242
>Contribute to open-source (mega bonus if it's bug fix and not "I wanted new shiny feature so I made it").
How does one do that?

It seems Github wants you to "fork" things to contribute to them, I don't really want to start my own forked project.

>>51072
It's all about those connections.

If someone likes to talk to you and your relevant to the job they're hiring for, there's a good chance you'll be hired.

Getting connections in Computer Science, compete in a hack-a-thon or something and talk to the companies that host them.

>>51340
>It's all about those connections.
>implying connections get your foot in the door
Nope.

Connections are great, when you're already in the game and looking to step up, but it's useless if you're fresh out of uni.

>>51382
That is the most retarded thing I have read on this board.

>>51382
lol the troll is strong with this one

>>51290

You find a project on github, look at outstanding issues, pick an issue, fork the project, fix the bug, and do a pull request.

Do you not know how to use git? Nevermind, don't answer that.

I have a friend with a shitty GPA in compsci like you who can't code for beans. He ended up getting a $40k/yr job maintaining some crappy website CMS for a 3rd or 4th rate for profit law school in LA.

>>51459
>I have a friend with a shitty GPA in compsci like you who can't code for beans
3.2 is hardly shitty, especially when the maximum here is 4 and I can code fine, I just don't do online projects because I don't know which ones to contribute to.

I tell you what, I do have a github account, I have tried it, point me to an issue and I'll solve it right now. I have about 2 hours of clearthinking left until I crash from lateness.

>>51558

Mistook you for OP. And there are issues all over the place, what you'd work on will be dependent on what languages you know and what specific things you're good at.

>>51382
Dude, even for jobs that require no training or schooling, connections get you in the door. Connections and quotas.
Hell, I only have my shitty job at a gas station because my aunt's been there for 8 years.

>>51594
>what you'd work on will be dependent on what languages you know and what specific things you're good at.
I'm best at C and Java, can code C++, can't code any interpreted languages (besides Java and maybe C#)

My skills are mostly based around signal processing and engineering and stuff.

>>51600
Sorry, I was thinking white collar.

So if you're looking for a job in engineering, your uncle could be a highly connected person, but it's unlikely he'll set you up because it's likely you'll be too much risk for him. You could be a really shit worker. At the moment, the best my dad is willing to do for me is place my resume at people's desk, so I'm assured interviews instead of being ignored.

Whereas, my dad is a reputable name in his field and people know he's a good worker. He gets job offers all the time, he's not a risk to offer a job to.

The exception here is in eastern countries, where literally anything goes and you could get a job as the lead developer when you have no programming experience whatsoever. I've personally seen this happen.

>>51594
what would you say to someone looking for jobs in the AI sector?

>>51633
>AI sector
Let's be reasonable, what exactly do you hope to develop? To be honest, the only thing that's actually AI (and not just a very complicated algorithm) I know of that's actually useful is in some computer games (FPS bots don't count) and medical equipment. Maybe get a job in the biotech engineering field?

>>51072
>college feels
>this somehow has something to do with business and finance

>>51648
idk, from what I heard Google and FB are putting shitloads of money into research. Database handling algorithms I guess...
I'd like to work on something along the lines of SIRI or Intel's Jarvis.
>>51671
yup, talking about career chances IS related to business

>>51684
Yeah, Google too. I forgot about Google, I forgot about marketing companies in general. IIRC, marketing companies use genetic algorithms.

>writing my resume right now
>short as shit
>watdo.odt

>"can read french"

I hate my life

>>51693

>>51693
You can't hear or speak it? That's weird, but if you can, then put fluent in French

>>51671

Let's be real here, /biz/ is a containment board for buttcoins and other unwanteds.

GPA only matters if it is really high otherwise it is worthless if you present yourself good it wont trouble you.

>>51821
There's only 2-3 threads about crypto on the board, the remaining pages are economy / business related, I'd say we're doing pretty well for a 'containment board'.

>you will never be an undergrad Asian girl at Wharton on your way to make 100K+ starting and fucking all the handsome niggers in your vast network

Some people are creative or bright, and some march to the rules.
I've found 4.0 students to be somewhat obsessive about the work.

>>51072
>how important is GPA in finding a high paying job?

Not important at all. GPA is pretty much useless in the job market.

>>51072
>got a couple Cs when I dual-enrolled two years back
>GPA would be above 3.5 right now if it weren't for that
>have terrible procrastination habit that makes every assignment more miserable and foreboding than it should ever be
>thinking and learning on a level well beyond my peers when it comes to my personal interests, still have to take shit classes on health and writing essays

GPA is unfortunately a huge filter in parts of the US. My GPA fell just short of a 3.0 (barely, not a 2.4) due to a severe issue during my sophomore year. My major GPA was fine, but I certainly damaged myself. Many of the employers my classmates interviewed at were not interested in interviewing me after hearing my GPA despite loving my resume, including Apple. It was painful, and greatly hurt my job search.

I was persistent and got a great job at a great company, and now that I have my first job...no one gives a single fuck what my college GPA is. I've interviewed at other companies (offers are not enticing enough to leave) and they haven't even asked.

tl;dr a little and a lot

>>51072
>Graduate with 2.0 gpa in sociology degree (only because I failed a couple in my first year, then got mostly Bs and Cs)
>working part-time call center job, new job opens up in company
>apply for it, say I did courses in Economics and Statistics
>get QA job, $24/hour starting

Now I'm just going to do this and slowly move into jobs, and just list BA on my resume instead of the gpa.

>>51693
>work experience
>none

>>56820
>ever listing your GPA
you were duped - pro tip: no one cares unless you bring it up.

>tfw everyone is all "you need a good gpa to get jobs"
>tfw my teacher told us "the people with super high gpa's don't get any jobs they only care about your ability to work hard"

I don't know what to believe I guess the only that really matters is connections

Um, let me put it like this. I only list my major GPA (3.1, barely), and I've NEVER been asked about my GPA in the 4 or 5 interviews I had since graduating. No job yet, but I've been grilled more about why I left part-time college jobs than on GPA, grades, courses. I have been asked about courses I've taken, projects I worked on. Once, I was asked about a grade I got on a specific final project that I told them about. Like they'll actually look it up.

So, just don't act like it's a big deal. Show them that you know your shit. Some jobs have a minimum GPA requirement listed, or things like "strong academic performance"... I never got interviews for those jobs when I applied to them, but no big deal, that's maybe 20% of entry-level listings (except engineering, most have a 2.7-3.0 minimum)

>>56959

What if my only work experience is in minimum wage/labor type jobs? Should I put it down even though it's not really relevant to the position I'm applying for?

>>56367
Everyone thinks that last bit about themselves.

>college degree in business
>no work experience
>can't even get a 35K job
hold me bros.

>>57260
You can be a McManager™
We are hiring every Tuesday from 1-3 PM.

>>57225
I'd say a sheer minority actually think that about themselves. The majority on 4chan, sure. Full of NEETs who were 2 smart 4 school.

>>57293
pls no

>3.0 gpa Geology B.S.
>fluent in English, French, Spanish, and Portuguese
>0 work experience
>no references
I guess it's the Marines for me....

>>57328
You can get a government job easy. Or Weatherford, it's an oil company. That's what both of my geology friends did.

>>57339
I wanted to be a paleontologist ;_;
Gonna do some soul searching in the military.
I skipped the petrology and mapping classes to take paleo and bio

>>57367
maybe you can work at jurassic park.
word is they're doing it for real.

>>57380
That project is bound for failure.
The next best option would be working for Jack Horner's lab at montana state to reverse engineer dinosaurs.
However, I'm not competitive enough for grad school there.

>>57367
>skipped the petrology and mapping classes
They don't have to know.
But you could always work as a museum curator?? Or geology prof/part time adventurer like Indiana Jones.

>>57410
I don't fucking know anymore. I adventure outdoors, but that doesn't pay.
Never had a backup plan.
Can I do anything with my math minor?

>>57442
can always teach

>>57446
This. I'm sure you can get an actuary job with those degrees. Seriously, you're much better off than most people (me) right now. There's a job for you. Look for it.

>>57446
Maybe.
I've got a 3rd degree black belt in judo.
I guess I can teach that for money.

>>57486
Become a vigilante

>>57486
>first degree in Geology
>second degree in Math
>third degree in black belt
Aren't you well rounded.

>>51198
I've got a 3.2 as well right now. But I'm transferring in the Fall and my GPA goes back to 0. It's a fucking Godsend.

>>57512
At least it'll give me something to put on my resume.
>>57519
dafuk does it matter when I can't get a job.

>>57536
You can. Probably not looking hard enough. Look out of state, small companies, big companies, everything.

>>57536
why the fuck aren't you at the kung fu mathematics and big ass rocks camp running shit?

>>51693
>.odt
Tell them you're fluent in FREEDOM

>>57328
that no work experience is what fucks you my man. But you need to learn how to inflate your resume, get a shitty job, become friends with manager, and have them be your reference. Do alot of work at said shitty job, and inflate your job description. Instead of "worked as manager at pizza joint", put down, managed employees while increasing sales revenue to etc %". Just bullshit,.

>>57549
I guess.
Recruiters have me by the balls now though, and honestly it doesn't sound like such a bad option to me. I guess I'll quit watching my chinese cartoons for now and dedicate myself to getting employed.
>>57559
I'm overqualified.

>>57580
never overqualified to run CAMP ROCK ASS KICKIN CALCULUS NINJAS

You can accomplish more if you volunteer your time.

Put it on a resume, big corporations will be impressed.

>work experience
>implying anyone has anything except shitty retail out of uni
Why?

Does packing shelves and taking money/giving food actually mean you're a better engineer or even better at working in a team? Most universities do group projects, most teen employers keep their workers separated as much as possible.

I bet this is why I've gotten rejected from at least one job
>lol he hasn't packed shelves, why would we hire him to program for us?

>>57759
it rustles my jimmies too

>>57773
iktfb

>>51459
As someone who has never used it, how do I into github?

>>57998
like anything else in this world..
RTFM
https://help.github.com/

>>58034
tl;dr?

>>57486

Judo has the tradition of just making enough to keep the lights on and not making shekels. It's probably why Ronda said fuck it and joined MMA.

>>58717

Ho boy, you must be new to programming or suck ass. '(RTFM google stackoverflow) are your best friends. Alternatively, go on IRC where you get flamed for being a lazy faggot that can't fucking read something someone spent time and effort to write for the express purpose of getting you started with git.

How the fuck do you complete 20-some years of life on Earth without any work experience?

>>59135
hi its me >>58034
wanna be friends?

>>59189
It's more common than you'd think.

You're not really expected to work until you're like 15, and if you've got parents who can provide for you and don't push you to work, you just mooch off them during the summers until you go back to school.

>>59189
by not being a disgusting poorfag

>>59189
>tfw you started working at 15 to buy weed

Not all stoners are lazy

>>59254
>>59261
>>59267
I feel a sense of guilt when I'm not doing steady work.

>>59318
I was NEET for 7 months it was horribly depressing

Being NEET not even once

>>59318
>not a psychopath
what are you doing on 4chan? shouldn't you be in reddit or tumblr posting about gay rights or something faggot?

>>59344
>>59318
I know those feels, guys. Whenever I'm out of school and not working for decently long periods, I get super lazy and hate myself after a while.

>>59318
>>59385
Good, keep taking care of us NEETs

>>59400
The thing is though, if I didn't need money I wouldn't work and I would basically be an active NEET. If I could support myself without having to have a job, I'd just try to use all my free time constructively.

The only work experience I have is as a crew member for a Laser Quest for three years

What does this even count as for job experience?

It isn't exactly retail, I didn't have to sell anything, I didn't manage anyone. I just gave rules to people and made sure they didn't kill each other

no one wants me because I don't fall into those categories that every job seems to require

>>59202

We can but the only people I've met from the internet that I keep up with watch anime and only happen to program. I'm also not particularly good at programming.

Right now I'm configuring my emacs to not suck ass so I can go back to coding my toy webapp in clojure.

As far as hacker cred goes, unfortunately my greatest accomplishment is also my first project. It was a pornhub clone written in html/css/php/js. Amazingly I managed to get that working pretty well despite not knowing how functions work.

Your turn.

>>51684
>>51648
It might not be directly related to Siri, autonomous cars, or military robotics, but the concepts related to AI are useful for data mining and pattern recognition (NSA anyone?---no way humans can sift through all that). Even sifting through resumes will get a pass through these algorithms these days.

>>57328
Move out west. I'm a geology senior in CA and chevron is recruiting damn near my whole class. But then again, I pretty much live in an oil field.