/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>57189780
first for bayhorse silver

>>57189783
He has an ore sorter. Not that he needs it. No more dilution. This time for real.

Total economic collapse. That's another Biden win!

>nu-trek

How to short /smg/?

>>57189912
>ID: cuckpussy
Uh, Polish timezone bros?

Brr, oca! Bro, Deking, where is my ZA? Ani here acting a deg euoi, faw real.

>>57189912
>Capitulation
Now is the time.

>Halifax House Prices (M/M) Dec: 1.1% (est --; prev 0.5%)
>- Halifax House Prices (Y/Y) Dec: 1.7% (est --; prev -0.95%)

1,1% m/m in winter when people allegedly don't like buying houses, it's over LMAO

I like how even ""bullish"" investors have accepted the doomer propaganda that surely a big financial crash is inevitable.

Newsflash. It did happen. It was 2020 and you MISSED. OUT. 10 year golden bullrun 2.0 commencing now with rates being cut. Buy now or be left even further behind. Let the bobocope and seethe from my post commence.

>>57189964
case shiller trending upwards and building new ath's as well

Yields...

>>57190025
the 12m is below 5%?

>>57190029
Yes the 1Y is at 4.88% right now

>>57190025
I can't find a single square millimeter I wouldn't kiss/lick on her.
Don't know what the graph is because I know only have equity.

>>57190040
seems like they're a bit too sure about those rate cuts

is BABA a buy? reddit is convinced anything China is DOA

since i'm too scared to trade on a real account. I decided to go on a real CFD account and trade with a volume of 0.01 for a few days.

Quite retarded markets. Literally moving more during EU nighttime when nobody is awake rather than during EU trading hours. Bogged to the extreme

>Gernomoney
I'm at a new ATH

>>57190131
I tried trading forex, but pip value just confuses me. Why cant I just use unit amounts of the base currency, instead of calculating the dollar value?

>Xi banned shorting and literally built a national team to buy
>Hang Seng still continuously dump

The absolute state of Xi's economy. Nobody is buying his ponzy, but everyone's buying the Biden one.

>>57190196
Just a small correction kiddo.
Dont get to confident.

>>57190051
Yes they are, but rates have stayed the same since the last Fed meeting, where they said no more rate hikes and a slowing of the balance sheet runoff. The market has and seems to make bold claims for cuts and then slowly work them down as time goes forward. I remember there was "Suppose" to be some rate cuts in 23' but all we got was a 50bps in hikes, the market can be greedy hoping that the Fed does things that it wants

Bobros , post your gains

>>57190212
So long SPY and YANG, should be safe

>EU construction PMI numbers
Holy hell Germany, what are you even doing? It is rather interesting to me that Italy is the only one actually expanding in that department. How come everyone else is around 40 and contracting?
Oh well, at least the EU is finally dumping. Inflation picking back up, just as /smg/ fuckin thought. I wonder if this slew of data is gonna change the central banks' prognosis.

>>57190272
you're all getting rekt at 8:30am

>>57189901
WELLS FARGO
>>57190212
because the world economy would collapse if everyone didn't buy into biden's ponzi.

pump in 14

>>57190025
Imagine thn smell.

>>57190358
no pump till non farms and unemployment data

>it dumps
kek@ this market
You can't fuckin time it. You can't time moodswings of retarded richfags.

>>57190333
>you're all getting rekt at 8:30am

It all melts down in March when BTFP expires. The next two months are just inter dimensional hyperbear pre-cum.

>>57190530
>didn't check my trips
its over bobo, God will send his wrath down upon ye

>asked for recommendations for stocks 2 days in a row
>I got one recommendation for the garbage meme stock FSR, and a troll post
This place really needs my stock expertise back in all honestly. I wish I wasn't working 12 hour shifts because this place is dying without my videos.

I fuckin hate how you can't short this market on conviction as you know that 0,1% less inflation will pump it 5%.

>>57190019
If you're right, then why is the yield curve re-steepening now?

You can't make this data up.

mom italy inflation is -0,4% instead of +0,1% exp
but yoy is +0,7% instead of +0,4% exp

How the fuck does that work out?

>>57190572
Italian moms can be finicky. They don't always play by the rules.

>>57190549
>posting full portfolio nearly every day for a year
>shepherding autists to prosperity
>no acknowledgements from the video retard
>stubbornly refuses to just copy me (also stubbornly continues eating animal flesh)
>ends the year working 12 hour shifts of hard physical labor asking for stock tips
pottery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmz1lz0zcLQ

>>57190584
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CmadmM5cOk

>yields

>>57190354
exactly that. And I'm still baffled that we're running on such a system. I'm guessing that's the main argument here for the Blockchain tech to take over, but from what I see there are too many big lads who try to sustain this system for it to collapse...Whereas in china it's not the case: they don't have enough big lads. Nevertheless, if china would collapse, that would still impact everyone, hence the evil play is to still go long assuming "everyone" will try to sustain the system

GONE
GONE
YOUR SHIT IS GONE
GONE
WHEN YOU COME OUT YOUR SHIT IS GONE

>>57190584
>unironically holding SNAP
yeah you aren't in my videos for a reason

>>57190600
Good.

I’ve made some changes for 2024. I’m going all in on oil and shipping companies. I have way too much in REITs for now so no more. I would be willing to consider a growth stock with good potential so feel free to recommend. Also beside Winter village, I’m just getting Lego Friends sets from here on out. The colour pallet is the better and unlike City it offers more then police stations. And let’s face it, mini dolls are just sexy.

Ok be honest. What are the odds it's over, this is 00 bubble and we reach breakeven in 8 years and in profit in 13 years

>>57190584
You didn’t show your unrealized gains. I’m not saying it’s a bad portfolio but you need to show us the money shot.

>>57190739
WAIT this would be 08 and now we breakeeben and profit in 5 yeara

>>57190655
I know the feels fren. I too used to live in a diversity neighborhood.

Fuck I love AI taylor swift bros, best thing AI has been used for

Ok I've decided I will be shorting SNAP tomorrow. The one chud in this general talking shit has inspired me. I hope you all follow my trade

The market has been gay this week. I will embrace this and add to my positions.

>>57190893
thats a very pretty homosexual, still wouldnt fuck tho

>>57190893
that's a man

>>57190881
Shut it down, now!

Bond bulls.. not looking so hot.

Mumus malding
The funny thing is this is happening on no news

>US admin says it sold 180 million barrels of crude at $95 a barrel
What crack are they smoking?

>>57191009
I'm also malding as a bobo. I had shorts on the FTSE and closed them. ALso didn't open as many as I thought the market would be stable. But no, it dumps on no news. Fuck it, I will short before close today and next week after the gayest cpi pump since november.

>futures

>new year starts
>constant red day after red day with even more red futures

how many more red days will it take for you to realize it's only going to get much much worse from here?

>>57191058
WAAAOWWW SO SCRAY IT TOOK FOUR (4) YEARS TO REACH NEW ATH'S!!
I dont fucking care and wont sell a single share simple as.
Im the anon who holds nvidia shares from 2015 btw.
All my investments are in triple digit profit actually.

Just buy and hold fellow anons. Dont listen to retards and gamble it all away.

Stocktwits is awfully silent

>>57191058
NFP reversal to new ATHs, check em

This general has gone to shit, let me fix the mess you made.

FRESH UPDATE

https://youtu.be/I40-z5YX6Fo
https://youtu.be/I40-z5YX6Fo
https://youtu.be/I40-z5YX6Fo

>>57191009
the market literally transformed into a shitcoin dynamics behavior. Would be fun to call out all the fundamental analysis authors out there and show them this shit

>>57191126
Thank you Mr Rockerfeller. I will watch your video and attain the admiral advice given within.

>>57191176
Don't ever post my Hispanic tranny gf ever again.

>>57191189
Mr Rockerfeller, I will contact my attorneys at the ACLU, FBI, and ADL if you ever post my waifu's face on this /smg/ forum. You may not have her. And go to bed.

It's absolutely over for shippingfags

How are you coping with the fact that we are in year 3 of 20 lost years for the stock market?

If they're not going to allow a crash to wash away all the scum then the only other way for reality to catch up to valuations is for the market to go sideways for a few decades.

>>57191258
Sounds bullish to me will just be a good excuse for price gouging

>>57191258
Wasn't this already the case? Huh?

>>57191284
No and they kept getting btfo by Yemen

>>57191258
Are you out of your mind? Their just protecting their biggest assets, the ships themselves while brown people have their little chimp out. This is a buy signal. Personally I would love to see an all out boycott of the Red Sea and Suez Canal

lads, what are the chances that if I put my saving in some faggot index fund now that I will have a profit come the end of the year?

>>57191314
Market goes up 75% of the time in a year. However these are risky times with high valuations and recession looming so it's probably a 50-50

>>57191328
so do I do it or not. I don't need the money for another 5 years, so should I just invest them and forget about it for the duration

>>57191311
>having to send ships the long way around Africa is bullish
yeah sure makes you wonder why they didn't just pretend the Suez canal didn't exist then

>>57191335
It's not a great time to go in honestly. You could get rekt by the looming recession and go down 40%.

You can just get 5% risk free from bills for now.

It's up to how risk averse you are.

did the Houthis fucking up the Red Sea mark the top?

>>57191345
It's bullish for inflation and oil which is bullish for tanker stocks.

>>57191352
i'd rather not lose 40 percent, so I'll hope for a crash and go in when that happens
thanks

>>57190212
It's so unequivocally over for us China bros...

>>57191369
A decent play right now is to stay in bills until the fed cuts (likely to happen sometime before summer) and watch what the stock market does after. Historically the dump happens shortly after the first rate cut.

If you're lucky the dump happens in mid 2024 and you can go in at low prices in 2025.

But with valuations being so rich right now and prices near ATH you're really not missing much in waiting in bills a bit.

>>57190549
>This place really needs my stock expertise back in all honestly.
Yes please, Mr.Rocker also post the updates on the Yugoslav commie glownigger platform known as Rumble, because I'm a shareholder and you would bring tremendous value to the platform. You could turn Rumble into a x10 stock just by posting /smg/ updates on there.

>>57191345
>long way around Africa is bullish
You expect the ship owners to risk their vessels just to use the canal? What do think the insurance companies will say about that? It’s also good for oil.

>In 2021 SPY went up 20% to retract at least 10% in 2022.
>In 2023 SPY went up 20% ..... in 2024

>>57191424
-70%

>>57191424
seems we need two 50% at the left to complete the symmetry so -50% both 2024 and 2025

>>57191446
no I read that wrong, a +60% to the left would be more appropriate

Golden bullrun is here

>>57191452
right** sorry I'm autistic please be patient

>>57191126
>Short SNAP
Ok.
>Long DASH
Idk, about that one... DASH seems kind of expensive at the present time.
Here are some stock picks:
BTI
DEO
BABA
JD
PNGAY
PKN.WA
CRK
RUM
NTR
Some of these have short-term bearish charts though. Also post on Rumble.

If unemployment comes in at 4% recession is here
If it comes at 3.5% we're higher for longer

In between we crab until next month

>>57191214
If she smokes, sex has sexual intercourse

just slurped Medical Properties Trust, what am I in for?

>>57191126
so you have chosen violence... when me and my mom are at the cheesecake factory i'll think of you working overtime to pay for your spite trading.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-SVRN-tMXw

>>57191424
>Number go up only every second year
Wow anon, you cracked the code. Guess you'll be a trillionaire soon

r8 my profit taking

NatGas today niggers!

Strong employment.

HIGHER FOR LONGER

NO CUTS

aaa

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>>57191653
>3.7%
Time to check interest rates, if we aren't up I'll be pissed.

we love jobs
we love high wages
we love interest rates

SELL REDDIT SELL

im not jewish enough to make money, i hate debt and will not spend money i dont have

>HIGHER FOR LONGER

HIGHER
FOR
LONGER

>HIGHER FOR LONGER

I tried to warn you guys but you never listen.

>US added 216k jobs in December vs. 170k expected, beat literally every forecast
>Unemployment at 3.7%, below 3.8% expectation
>Wages up 0.4% vs 0.3% expected in December
>Year on Year wages up 4.1% vs. 3.9% expected

>yields

>>57191653
>>57191680
>>57191690
>HIGHER FOR LONGER!

>moodys downgrades your bank account

>market priced in 6 (SIX) rate cuts in 2024

>>57191694
I kept waiting for her to get a beer bottle to the face
My disappointment is immeasurable

Yeilds remain high which means you need to be in money market funds like swvxx if you want to protect your capital against this looming bear market that will happen.

>>57191705
>Chances for a 25bps rate cut in March 2024 62%.

Any good advice out there for 401k allocation? Just started working at a Fortune 500 in the 100-200 range. 26 y/o and ~35 years from retirement.

>>57191727
90% VT
10% Gold to hedge WW3

>>57191727
pick 2-3 funds and a % allocation and then leave it alone forever, you will pay out the ass in administrative fees every time you fiddle with selections in any way
don't use any "blended" or "target date" funds unless you're over 50
don't maximize the contribution this year, aim for about a third of the $24k you're allowed, steadily increase it every year or every six months (unless we get an actual recession, then max it immediately)
don't use any bond funds, ever. they will never generate a USD return ever again

>>57191727
Emerging markets, USA & EU large caps, precious metals and short term government debt.

>>57189780
Confession.
I have a single stock position worth over half a million but I'm typically to scared to track it.

>>57191727
I do half US stock and half international. You are forced to dollar cost average with 401ks and you are investing for ~40 years so equities make sense. As for fancier things which you can do with the brokerage option, I just do that on my own such as gold and fancy debt stuff.

>>57191727
current alloc is fine

Gold bros...

WTFWT?????

>>57191496
>PNGAY
>NTR

>>57191768
I would never do passive bonds. Those retarded plans will have you 40% in bonds even if yields are 0%.

Bonds are only for active management.

At his age and his horizon max VT is the way to go

A MOODY DOWNGRADE JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

https://youtu.be/zTuD8k3JvxQ?t=43

>>57191777
Gold tends to dump when short term yields go up cause bonds become more attractive relative to gold when they offer a real yield.

>>57191345
The problem for shippers in 2024 was excess capacity. This diversion eats that up.

Oh yeah and the extra fuel cost? That just gets passed along to the customers. No questions asked.

>>57191737
>>57191758
>>57191766
>>57191769
Thanks bros. I do think the blended funds has me in some ridiculous 30% bonds allocation which I'm looking to get out of.

Stop slurping.

>>57191577
A scamco REIT that's about to go under? Didn't they just lend their only tenant the rent money?

government gibs will take us out of this mess

gosh I can't until this afternoon to hear Peter Schiff explain why this is actually good for gold

>>57191806
Don't mess with bonds until you are older or until you read up on finance shit and understand more. Bonds are not for passive holding. They were great in the past 40 years because we started with 15% rates in 1980 and they've kept falling ever since. That was just a historical anomaly. Buying and passive holding bonds when they are 4-2% yield is foolish. Just be max stocks and a bit of gold.

>>57191785
>Those retarded plans will have you 40% in bonds
2060 target retirement fund is under 10% bonds. stop pretending you know more than allocation models with tons of history

>>57191841

I started working for the first time in my life back in october which is saying a lot about non-farm pay rolls right now. I used to be a NEET for most of my life. Make of that what you will.

>>57191854
>started working for the first time in my life back in october
Why?

>>57191853
im ready for the meltup

>>57190736
Post oil tickers

>>57191846
And why the fuck would a 26 year old have 10% in bonds yielding jack shit? He's just taking unnecessary risk look what happened to bond baggies that blindly bought them when yields were shit they're not having a lost decade.

Again you don't blindly buy bonds. Sure if yields right now were 10% they would be a great buy, but buying bonds when yields are low is just asking to get ass fucked, especially if you don't need the short term security.

And actually for his age and his job status like 95% of his wealth his in human capital which is basically just a long term bond.

Which means if anything he should be leveraging up his stock position in the short term if we were to actually optimize his allocation. As a -80% in stocks in the short term would mean jack shit for him relative to his human capital. But anyway that's too complicated for normies but fuck no he should not be holding any bonds.

>>57191858
Because I could not stomach the loses my portfolio was taking when both stocks and bonds were tanking from 2021 onward with last year being my breaking point that I had to find some minimum wage job to try and stop the bleeding. Now I make just enough to pay rent so hopefully if I just keep wage slaving through this year I might be able to go back to being a NEET if I can just weather out the impending market crash

>>57191888
Checked. Wait you're the anon that inherited a boomer portfolio and couldn't live off it because of the bond & equity dump last year?

>>57191884
I agree with you, he should welcome a stock market collapse he only is concerned about the value of his 401k when he hits 65-70. Or whatever, someone will say bla bla bla about year over year returns of a balanced portfolio but this is a 401k when year of year returns mean jack shit.

>>57191713
I was waiting for hamas to glide in and shoot her

>>57191898
Yep, still living off of my mutual funds but now I'm not dipping into them as much now since I finally have other means of money coming in more reliably.

>>57191727
>>57191846
all of these funds are absolute dog shit, which are meant to scam the American worker out of their income, where instead of putting their money into the assets generating the highest return, they put them into absolute dog shit
for example, most target date funds have a 30% plus allocation into foreign stocks - this is absolutely retarded - fleecing the American worker
furthermore, even for people under age 30, they're putting 10% plus into bonds - this is also absolutely brain dead retarded for a 30 year old worker to be putting even 1% of his money into bonds
>but what about draw downs?!?!
He's fucking 30 years old. He just holds until retirement. Who gives a fuck about a drawdown. Putting even 10% into bonds is brain dead retarded for a 30 year old.
>but muh foreign stocks underperformed now they'll overperform!!
No, they fucking won't. If you're putting a single cent of your retirement money into foreign stocks, you're doing it wrong.
>pic related
If you want to shoot yourself in the foot, and get less than half of what you would have gotten investing in USA, be my guest.
>IT'S OUR CENTURY NOW!!!
No, it isn't. Invest in USA and USA only, and in 30 years, you will be thankful that you didn't get scammed by the '401K money changers'
Stop putting 40% of your income into absolute dog shit. Literally, all these target dated funds 30% in foreign stocks, 10% in bonds (MINIMUM)
That is absolutely fucking insane. I don't understand how a SINGLE person is still falling for this absolute bullshit of a scheme
Seriously - would you ever actively invest 40% of your money into absolute dog shit?
No! You wouldn't. So don't let some target fund scheme do it on your behalf.
>inb4 triggered 3rd worlders

>>57191884
Smartest post itt

>presents

>>57191906
It's foolish to expect the same kind of outperformance from the US in the next 40 years. But I'm not too hardline with US vs international exposure as stocks are so fucking correlated nowadays they all go up and down together.

The only real mistake a young person with a good job can make is being underinvested.

Will today be the first green day of 2024?!?!?!?!?!

>>57191924
>>57191906
>It's foolish to expect the same kind of outperformance from the US in the next 40 years.
No, it isn't. YOU are foolish to think anything otherwise.
No matter what, US stocks will outperform the rest of the world.
People ITT are seriously, seriously, mouth breathing mongoloid retarded if they think that they will receive a larger return investing in foreign stocks than they will US, over a 30 year time frame.
If you unironically believe that foreign stocks will outperform US on a 30 year time frame, please, leave this thread - you are so braindead, so retarded, that any advice you give anyone in this thread is bad advice with 100% guarantee, that the thread (and yourself) would collectively be better off if you never posted here again.

>>57191928
no, today marks the end for bulls. we will be lucky if spy bounces from 200 this year

>>57191928
bitch I'm down 0.22%

I'm getting ATH after ATH, what's going on

>>57191928
Hopefully, there will be no green days in 2024.

>>57191861
What I have been buying and holding is ET, HAL, RIG, SHEL, TRP, and XOM

>>57191961
>no TRMD
>no TNK
>no EQNR

>>57190895
Youre gay if you wouldnt fuck that

>>57191935
The only pro US argument at this point is the dollerization of the rest of the world.
Of course as the rest of the world dedolarizes US stocks will go up in nominal terms so if you live in the US you won't care until *everything* comes apart and then you won't care because everything has come apart.

I'm still investing in Poland though.

>>57191935
I don't disagree with you but for 401ks I argue some in international is a good hedge since you work in the USA. I.e. if economy goes to shit you lose your job and get knee caped in your 401k. Things like heavy Asia and Europe funds I agree in past don't compare to USA but its a hedge against getting double hit.

>>57191767
is it at LVMH given you pic name? Are sucking Arnault's balls?

>>57191981
>that
Anon... That thing has a cock...

>>57191952

>>57191983
>I'm still investing in Poland though.
Holy based.

>>57191953
>Hopefully, there will be no green days in 2024.
I wonder what the statistical possibility of this is
Based off of a simple 50/50 for a day being green, every single day being red would have a probability of 1.33*10^-110

>>57191983
Poland & Romania are giga good plays

>>57191806
>>57191828
by the time any of us are old enough for bonds to make sense, US fixed income will not make sense. it is dead forever

What happened to LLAP?

>>57192003
unless ofcourse the kremlin decides to suicide into the east

>>57192006
It looks like the launch aborted.

Bonjour

>>57192013

USA is the strongest market. GDP up, all time low unemployment, hourly pay up, inflation down I mean it really looks like it's the nirvana. The only shit things is housing going up.
Compared to it, all, and I mean literally ALL the market are shittier. Why even the dollar went down? it's just supported by the BEST economy, while Yurop is going recession and Chyna started with bankruptcy Fund manager.
pls Dixie, go up and show the world your true face

Every time we get a bunch of red for no good reason we inevitably moon. Bears are fooling themselves if they're going short here lmao

>>57191992
A hole is a hole, and this hole looks better than most. Dig in

Here's my baseless prediction for the day:
>will end slightly green today, despite 10y pump
>the dump will resume next week

>>57192026
US tech is imploding and that's what was propping up the rest of the economy. Most other countries are effectively US colonies so they won't escape but the US is not doing well.

>>57192028
>Bears are fooling themselves if they're going short here
I was already short and took profit here.

AAAAAAAND WALLAK

*BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

>>57192040
probably war over the weekend

>>57192058
>30:00

>>57191126
>larping as a jew again

>>57192046
>the US is not doing well
Can't say I agree with most of the societal changes that we're seeing, however that is just categorically false. The US economy is doing great, at least comparatively to everyone else.

>>57191970
I am buying product carriers and tankers as well. Just the cheaper ones like DHT, GOGL, and SFL.

>>57192058

>>57191777
yes? what?
>>57191825
why what is? what happened, bud?

>>57192058
good job, fren
give me your opinions on tesla and apple, both are down at the moment and i want something to invest in.

>>57192069
>The US economy is doing great
Entire stock market is propped up by 5-7 big names and nothing else while being laden with gigantic megadebt that you can't hope to ever repay.

Pardon me if I'm wrong but other nations don't have debt in FUCKING TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

DANGER
BUDDY
ZONE

>>57192046
the top 500 publically traded companies are doing great but the population is kinda creeping me out. the other day i saw 4 large men (large enough to pull me out of my car) at each corner of road yelling (not begging, literally screaming "give me money!!!"). Somthing seems off and its got my spidy sense tingling.

>BABA
Ok how do I refund my Alibabes stonke?

>>57192058
Based
Green day confirmed

>>57192084
>t other nations
The US is not a nation. It's an economic zone used for collecting taxes to pay the debt. That's *why* the debt is so high, the debt is the whole point of the thing.

>>57192082
>TSLA
Overvalued.
>AAPL
Growth but only in the stock price the revenues are down YoY.

TL:DR: sell both.

>>57192058
WE'RE SO BACK!

>>57192094
Only the top ten or so matter and they are absolutely not doing well.

>>57192084
>Entire stock market is propped up by 5-7 big names
The stock market is not the economy.
>Pardon me if I'm wrong
You are.
>debt in FUCKING TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS
Mostly to itself.

>>57192095
Gotta hold those chink stocks all year. It will pay off.

>>57192117
Either they go up, or they go to zero and I an-hero. There is no other solution, I will baghold until the very end.

>>57192114
>The stock market is not the economy.
Neither is banking and yet here we are.

I flipped my position to long from short at a loss because we are obviously gigapumping back to 4800 for no fucking reason despite the dogshit print.

>>57192058
>30:00

We don't have a choice but to pump. The alternative is capitulation and we don't do that here in zion.

>>57192129
Here's how to redeem yourself:
https://www.csopasset.com/en/products/i-cs3
Repent.

>>57192150
>NOT GONNA SELL EM!
As I said I'm bagholding to the very end.

>>57191988
If the US economy goes to shit, trust me, the rest of the global economy will go to diarrhea (worse than shit)
there's a reason why the phrase exists
>when the US sneezes, the world catches a cold

>>57192131
>Neither is banking
Yes it is, very much so.
>I flipped my position to long from short at a loss
Maybe you should flip your entire mindset. Who knows, maybe you'd turn a profit instead of being a doomer.

Vix dropping

>>57192166
That phrase was about France you retard.
The real phrasing should be:
>When the US sharts, it asks who farted

>>57192166
sudden shits yes, but the british empire slowly withered away when the pound was no longer the world currency. I checked and I have like 30% international and 70% US right now in 401k.

This has happened dozens of times to fiat systems is government overprints and rest of the world opts out. Then these roastie run companies dont looks so hot.

>CHINA
Drinking beer, smoking Rothmans, pay is late (gonna dump it in China anyway), 6$ in my wallet. This is what it all comes down to...

News
>goodbye pay, hello massive layoffs
Also news
>more jobs were generated in 2023 than expected, recession averted
What did they mean by this also taylor swift is like 40 and ugly.

>>57192199
If your 401K is 30% international, you are shooting yourself in the foot, giving away your hard earned capital, for no reason
>>57191906
>$31,379 foreign
>$90,917 S&P500
you are dumb if you think that this will somehow protect you from US losing hegemony or from US losing economic strength
under both instances, US hegemony reduction OR US economic strength decreasing, all markets will shit the bed, foreign markets more than US
if you really think that the US will no longer be the dominant global power in 30 years (when your retirement is due) then you have more issues to worry about than your retirement savings

>>57192231
fine have it all in the US, surely nothing can go wrong.

KEK. Zimbros, we can't stop winning. Where is the anon from yesterday who said it was the top? apologize right now!

>>57192233
>hiring and layoff cancel out
soft landing confirmed

>>57192199
I think you have cause and effect flipped. The British empire died as a consequence of decisions its rulers made in the late 19th century and early 20th century. Inflation always comes when empires die. It doesn't really matter what the banks/government does at that point.

People forget money isn't an end in itself, it measures production. When the production disappears it doesn't matter how much or how little you print, you're going to have massive volatility.

>>57192239
Anon is making a point that if your 30% would ever bring a profit, you are fucked to begin with. Retard.
t. not even a burger and I do not intend to touch my shithole's dogshit market with a milky way-sized stick

>>57192239
>>57192231
>>57191906
literally, yes, it's that fucking simple. you don't even need to invest in the entire US markets. you can literally just invest in S&P500, and you will outperform 99% of the people ITT, and 90%+ of fund managers worldwide
it's literally all you need. especially at 30 years old like the anon was saying - he should unironically, literally be 100% invested in S&P500
if you are investing 30% in foreign companies, you are throwing away 30% of your money into the garbage
over a 30 year time frame, you will get 1/3 capital gains of just investing in USA only

>>57192245
>Where is the anon from yesterday who said it was the top? apologize right now!
Here, I apologize... This is Insanity ZIM isn't even making money. What the fuck is this bullshit?

>>57192063
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>>57192112
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>>57192251
>layoffs from tech canceled by hiring in services
It would be a soft landing if tech wasn't the thing holding everything else up.

>>57192233
>everything is fine!
https://youtu.be/rY-HOYTz-rs?t=27

>>57192245
The only thing carrying my trash follio

>>57191983
Poland is a great investment.

>>57192286
I agree
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1703862405116917.webm

>>57192286
>Poland is a great investment.
Lmao not with the fucking schizophreniac government.

I have absolutely no idea if it's deluded westerners repeating this or dumbfuck polak shills trying to POLSKA GUROM burning piles of trash that make a few millions of funnymoneys annually.

>>57191825
>didn't answer
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>>57191988
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>>57192239
>bunch of pointless contrarian yapping
>attention span of a gnat
oh, okay

>>57192306
It's one of the only non-dollarized non-immigrated economies left in Europe. I'm investing *because* of the "schizophreniac" government.

>>57192306
There's some really cheap oversold stocks in Poland like ORLEN which haven't even recovered above the pre-covid crash levels while profits are up substantially. Not saying Poland is a long term hold but It's a good trade at the moment.

>>57192339
I've been really enjoying my STLA.

>>57192323
Lmao.
>Poland
>economy
Like fucking what? Orlen is the only company that I can think of that breaks above just barely surviving.

>>57192264
This. Dump that money into VOO and don't overthink it.

Finally great satan is losing. SP500 finna get heemed with this and mcdonalds taking big L. Indexcucks on suicide watch.

>b-but tech will save meeee
tech trannies wont save you either bogletards. Hope you cashed out or have enough dividends to cover fat losses this year.

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>>57192419

man is amd going to 2000 p/e or something lol?

>>57192426

>one month performance
god dammit apple

Another green day, yawn.

So what the fuck happened to the DXY lmfao?

I guess VZ and BTI were just waiting for the new year to start.

I'm "slurping" this pump and selling more share I don't own. Feelsgoodman.

>US ISM Services Index Dec: 50.6 (est 52.5; >prev 52.7)
>- Prices Paid: 57.4 (est 57.3; prev 58.3)
>- Employment: 43.3 (est 51.0; prev 50.7)
>- New Orders: 52.8 (est 56.1; prev 55.5)

ehm, how does that employment work with jobs data?

>futures

>>57192460
WHAT WAS THAT

UNIRONICALLY WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

>>57192467
damn remote work wagies

>>57192395
We haven't raised our prices since April 1st. From what I hear, we raised more than we had to (we didn't know that at the time). So we're on track for a full bonus this summer.

>>57192441
SECULAR
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BUDDY LOOK AT THE FED SWAPS

>>57192467
>>57192460
Wow they're unironically about to turn the printers back on aren't they

uhhh?

>>57192480
increasing productivity is one of the most important parts of economic growth and work from home is amazing
fuck all the faggot boomers who continue to cope about their commercial real estate

>>57192492
what made the bots flip out

>>57192480
fuck them hr ladies

>>57192447
Got SHERMAN'D.

>>57192501
employment report is the only news

>>57192480
How does remote work make hiring difficult? IMO it should make it easier. Just let people WFH and candidates will treat it like a pay increase that costs you *less.*

>>57192501
weak economic data = less aggressive Fed
less aggressive Fed = lower interest rates, or interest rates less high for a shorter period
currencies move based upon expectation of interest rates / interest rate differentials
if a country is expected to offer a higher interest rate, their currency is more attractive (unless their higher interest rate is as a result of default risk - see Brazil / Argentina lol)
in other words, if a country is offering a 5% bond, and another country is offering a 4% bond, investors worldwide want the currency for Country A so they can buy their 5% yielding bonds, this makes there be more buyers than sellers of the currency, so relative to other currencies, it appreciates
so right here, we had weak data from ISM = less aggressive Fed = dollar falls

>>57192129
>There is no other solution, I will baghold until the very end.
Unfathomably based, anon

>>57192521
The fed is an illusion and the "printing" has already started.

>>57192006
CEO flopped the payment news

>>57192501
I've always wanted to know more about this... What causes it to drop or rise? I would love to know how this is manipulated.

>international investing is worthless

nah
US will stand comparatively strong to the rest of the world regardless of what happens, but to completely ignore international when everyone and their mother buys the S&P nowadays, is shortsighted

>>57192488
Strap in, bro.

>>57192534
>What causes it to drop or rise?
If we fully understood that we'd be able to build a post scarcity utopia.

>>57192519
Beacuse people are saying "fuck you" to non remote jobs and companies aren't used to it yet. They are still in the pre covid "I can get hundreds of applicants easily" mindset

They don't realize labor is simply a resource and now that the resource is scarcer they need to pay more. They'd rather just be short on workers than pay more or change corporate culture

Its like a small version of japan

>>57192519
companies dont want wfh, they know its extremely non-productive

BOBOFAGGOT ARE YOU OK BOBOFAGGOT?

>>57192519
It's because of this but also because businesses are run by seething boomers and their gen x buttslaves who think "IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO WFH, ONLY HIGHER LEVEL WORKERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO".

The other factor is that if your job is listed as remote you get a gorillion pajeet retards spamming it desperate to get money.

>>57192548
Of course unlike Japan we don't really have borders and a huge portion of the professional work force are either immigrants or dual citizens. So that won't work long term.

>>57192563
i told them yesterday but they didnt listen. they never listen

>>57192434
They're pumping most of their income into R&D to consolidate CPU leadership and challenge Nvidia in AI that P/E will come down

>>57192480
>>57192500
If we had an economy that wasn't run by subhuman retards, they'd just offer training in exchange for in-person work. Instead they just hold out forever for that one 5 years of experience guy who will work for 14 bucks an hour in the ghetto.

>>57192535
Sure, international as in Canada, Germany or Australia. Not fucking Brazil or China.

>>57192519
one of my friends was offered 200K a year, but he had to commute 30 minutes each way, and work in office 5 days a week
he turned this job down for a job that pays $120K, but lets him work from home
other friends I know, they were completely work from home - now they are required 3 days a week at the office - they are now looking for new jobs
nobody wants to work in the office, and are actively refusing jobs that require it, and/or quitting jobs that do
this makes it harder to find workers / fill roles

>>57192548
>They don't realize labor is simply a resource
How's that? You even call it Human Ressources in the anglosphere.

The problem for those companies is the shift in mindset by the younger generation which is absolutely justified and right which is: Your employer is not your friend or partner, it's your economical and social counterpart, the person you have sign a contract with. That's all.

>>57192395
>>57192481
>/smg/gers say the market will dump
>it pumps for no reason instead
As expected.

>>57192572
well I guess they will have to watch and learn

>>57192535
Don't even try. Most people here are millenials and zoomers who have only ever known the post financial crisis era where cheap 0% debt fueled a massive fucking bullrun of domestic growth cap companies.

Hell 10% of public companies aren't even profitable, they are just zombies that survive through refinancing debt

>>57192579
That was me. I got a job that was really good but they trained me and let me know it was fine that I was kind of slow for the first six months. A few years in I had contributed to a shitload of projects and saved the company thousands of dollars because I re hauled our system monitoring system

It's just boomers again not wanting to change company culture

>>57192441
Apple is unironically finished. They're not a growth company anymore and China is abandoning the iPhone.

Their great hope is a meme AI headseat that goes for 3k.

They have no business being at 30 P/E with 0 growth

>>57192590
>shift in mindset by the younger generation which is absolutely justified and right which is: Your employer is not your friend or partner, it's your economical and social counterpart
Yeah I think a lot of older people have been insulated from the collapse of serious social institutions (especially professional ones) and still think everything is going on the way it was 20-40 years ago.

>>57192600
literally, and I mean literally, the thing that you are worried about (zombie companies fueled by cheap debt) is a global issue, not just a US one
if you think that by investing in foreign companies will shield you from this systemic risk, you are an idiot - in the case of this blow up / systemic risk blow out, these foreign indices / foreign companies will shit the bed 3-5x harder than their US counterparts
why do you think after 2008 every country in the world shit the bed, all of their markets?
why do you think unemployment skyrocketed in the island of Fiji in the wake of the '08 crisis??
it's all interconnected.. in such a crisis, there is a flight to perceived quality, or less risk - everyone looks for the cleanest shirt in the dirty clothes hamper - the US is this shirt, especially in times of fear and uncertainty
if there's a global financial crisis, NO investor thinks to themselves
>Oh you know what I should do?? I should keep all my investments, and make more investments, in developing economies!!! That's what I should do right now, during this financial crisis!!
FUCK NO. You're fucking retarded if you think that foreign investments would outperform post financial crisis

>>57192633
>is a global issue
So you invest in countries that don't globalize their workforce and have meaningful borders.

>>57192524
Bought 180 shares of PIng An Insurance 5 mins ago.

>>57192590
even less than a contract we have at will employment in most states

>>57192646
It doesn't fucking matter. That's what you don't seem to understand. Unless you're investing in fucking North Korea, it's ALL interconnected
the entire financial system is ALL interconnected
the debt, the banks, the leverage, the exposure, the investments
you are not shielded, no matter where you try to invest
thinking that you will be shielded from global financial crisis by investing in developing economies is the most brain dead retarded backwards thing you could possibly do
if you are worried about systemic risk, investing in developing economies is not the fucking answer lmfao

my doomer senses are tingling, but let's just print and pump cuz why not

Just woke up
I'm making money?

>>57192646
what countries are those? Poland? lol

Oh look! the MM did a thing again with false data... it will be revised to shit in 30 days when you all forget... again. Why do I complain... I am the faggot now I guess. I am riding with Buydenomics- fuck it.

>>57192661
Of course you're not shielded from volatility in credit. What you get in places like that are companies which are more sensitive to fundamentals, so when you buy a company that seems to be growing you're more often investing in actual capital rather than bullshit from eg Apple.

>>57192535
But buying the S&P gets you international exposure. It's not like those 500 companies only do business in the US...

Baked
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Bought ARM and LLAP which immediately dumped, should I cut my losses or sit on it?