/biz/ - Business & Finance

I bogled.

What else can I sell at a loss for taxes...

>>57123675
seems to be the sort of thing i would like to learn in order to get a job, rather than applying it on my investments

Stocks end the day bright green today. S&P new ATH today on it's way to 9000 in 2024

I invested in RUS

>>57124492
I posted the 15.5C this morning when it was $0.50
It's $1.78 now.
Strikes lag the stock movement, and it just keeps going up...

>>57124434
I like my US total market index fund

>the market is pricing in 7 rate cuts in 2024

>>57124569
It's going to be wild.

>>57124552
16.3 - 15.5 = 0.8

If you're going to larp, at least learn basic math.

This year was a failure. Maybe next year I'll be able to market perform.

>>57124575
Marks lead and trail the stock price anon. They're $1.265 right now.

>>57124434
Last chance to buy the COIN dip.

>>57124577
The fact people have to gamble their hard earned money to escape wage slavery speaks more about our society and the current economic situation

Wtf isnt overbought right now???

>>57124538
Not Mara. It’s going to zero, cowboy.

>>57124616
SAVE

>>57124493
shimy my beloved

>>57124625
Fuck that.

>>57124632
It's literally mooning right now.

>>57124616
>Wtf isnt overbought right now???
The S&P 500, the Dow 30, the Nasdaq, and the Russell 2000. Stocks are insanely cheap adjusted for inflation. The only thing overbought are government bonds. A fair value for the 10 year is around 9%, which will match the real GDP growth next year.
This is the strongest economy in US history, why do you think stocks are overbought?

>>57124644
>mooning

>>57124569
That was an incredibly pathetic pump for 7 implied rape cuts

>>57124646
I'm so done with this fake and gay market despite having made money. I'm just sitting on cash right now, too limp dicked to pull the trigger on anything. Fml

>>57124600
Listen, you absolute retard. NO ONE is selling you that shit at below the exercise value. The trade would route through a market maker that'd immediately slurp it up, so you would never get fill.
At the absolute low of the day, that exercise value was 80 cents. You did not buy at less than 80 cents. Since you're being such a gigantic faggot, I've pulled up the data. The lowest it even transacted today was at $0.92.
Volume on the day is 260 contracts, current value maybe $1.10-1.15. Max theoretical profit = $4k buying all options at the daily low and exercising now. This is insignificant compared to the daily volume, and fairly irrelevant to anyone here with anything beyond a 4 fig RH portfolio.

You can keep pretending that the midpoint of a wide public bid/ask spread means the actual value of the option is wildly swinging, but everyone in this general that knows what the fuck they're doing will be laughing at you.

throwing $10k on TQQQ at close hoping for a pump on Tuesday wish me luck

Regarding me trading in shekels. I think what happened was that there was a sudden price change that by broker did not register in. Had i made a panic decision i would have probably have lost money on this trade.. That being said, which is the best broker to do forex trading and where i can i learn more about it?

>>57124713
Why not SOXL?

>>57124713
RIP

>>57124713
That was how I ended my 2021

>>57124671
retard

BOBOS WHAT'S WRONG?
NERVOUS?

>>57124752
It's too early.

>>57124760
>I-its too early
>T-the Christmas rally is just not o-over yet

>>57123757 (You) #
>January we ride the rocket again. >Buy on the 12th
What happens on the 12th anon?

Is someone propping NVDA up? The whole thing seems unjustified at this point. Look at todays candles.

so if my forecasting should hit it means we need a sour hour

>>57124724
uk cunts do forex a lot so check youtube for their videos. or get some books

>>57124786
>The whole thing seems unjustified at this point
Unjustified why? AI is rapidly improving the world and will soon parabolically expand to every aspect of our lives. It's the biggest innovation since man harnessed fire and Nvidia is at the forefront. Even at $1000 NVDA is crazy undervalued. My price target for 2024 is $2500

>>57124812
>AI is rapidly improving the world
How so

>>57124725
too big a pussy
>>57124727
:(
>>57124730
inhumanly based

>>57124824
https://youtu.be/HGcpxyf4jy0?si=5Jf-NBQ1xwNTmbow

>>57124812
It’s a glorified chatbot throttled by ideological constraints. The image generators are cool but already everyone can recognize their cheap aesthetics.

30% of my portfolio is avuv

>>57124824
>How so
Because it's parabolically teaching itself and will soon become sentient. From there it will be just like the movies and be used in every part of our lives. Everyone will have a personal conscious chatGPT that will guide their life and force them to make healthy, proper choices. That's why Nvidia is insanely undervalued, their AI chips are the most important thing on the market today and demand for them is literally infinite. I might be too conservative with my S&P 9000 prediction...

Man jan 5 UPRO calls are still way overpriced.

>>57124785
New moon. You buy in new moon and sell in full
T. Mara and MSTR reached the highest this run in a full moon day

>>57124863
No one has set up cybernetic LLMs yet (or at least they haven't publicly talked about it.)
It's easy enough to do it at home but there have been zero papers/blog posts/announcements about it.

>>57124865
I've found that 3x S&P is not very worth it compared to 3x Nasdaq, both short and long. 2x is very nice, 3x feels very muted.

>>57124812
Anon, the smart money was in NVDA three years ago
AMD and INTC are hot on NVDA’s heels now, and the various FAGMANs are all working on their own accelerators in house
You’re exit liquidity
>B-but CUDA!
Everyone, and I mean everyone, is frantically trying to abstract away from hardcoded CUDA in their backends, this is not nearly the lock-in moat that you think it is

>>57124812
>nvda will have a bigger market cap than Microsoft and Amazon put together

>>57124812
>Even the smoke and mirrors in computer graphics are smoke and mirrors
Nvidia isn't AI. The userspace I/O thing they do with their network cards is more interesting both financially and technically than the GPU stuff.

>>57124879
The actual 500iq play is ARM.

But ARM makes /SMG/tards seethe for some reason kek.

>>57124879
>AMD
Also a great choice for 2024. The S&P is going to 9000, all stocks will play a part in the golden bull run. Like I said AI chips have infinite demand regardless of which company they come from. NVDA is at the forefront but so is AMD. Both are obnoxiously cheap and ready for a parabolic rise in 2024. Greatest economy in US history + everyone still bearish + infinite demand for AI chips = golden bull run. Simple.

>>57124893
>nvda will have a bigger market cap than Microsoft and Amazon put together
I didn't say that. Microsoft is going to $1500 and Amazon to $500, so they will have larger market caps
>>57124895
>Nvidia isn't AI.
Nvidia makes AI chips, they are a big part of the unbelievable AI innovation

>>57124824
>Improving
I wouldn't use this word, but basically 99% of concept artists should already be unemployed, the art tech is already that good

>>57124920
Nvidia makes overpriced multi threaded computers and a compiler to target them.
People are rewriting the compiler to target faster and cheaper chips from Intel and AMD.

should I just sell my MARA

>>57124936
Why didn't you sell at 30? Does that reason apply now that it is back at 1 week ago's price?

>>57124812
Putsnotdawae

>>57124898
SoftBank owns majority of ARM. Na from me dog.

https://x.com/dariocpx/status/1732071274913124359?s=46

I've properly hedged against AI taking my job by having my entire LinkedIn profile and resume and technical skills section and github portfolio revolve around LLMs, Deep Learning Pipelines (RAG with LLMs), and other Natural Language Processing shit

So when all the retards who overextended on loans during the pandemic have to readjust their mortgage rates in 2025 and housing crashes again how bad will it impact the stock market? Should I just go 100% case until then and then buy everything back?

>>57124993
>have to readjust their mortgage rates in 2025
Doesn't happen in the US

>The 1929 crash ended with the new deal

How do i refute this? When i look at it, the stocks markets only seem to have recovered in 1953 with Eisenhower, plus, the idea i have of the 1930´s is that each ethnicity in the US had it´a criminal syndicate and most people lived miserable lives, that big companies only grew bigger and that big public works were made up on a unsustainable basis (debt) that in regular circumstances would lead to wars and whatnot, like it did for fascist countries, didnt happen in the US because its a huge country with plenty of resources and probably quite hard to invade up to this day, but it will have serious consequences if there ever is a nation to rise up to challenge the US´s dominant status
Furthermore i have the idea that what cemented american status in the world was the Bretton Woods agreement, GATT and the idea to found the UN in New York after europe had been torn apart from wars and Eisenhower´s plant to have former serviceman go to college and learn usefull things.

>>57124799
I´ll check that out. Thanks.

>>57124983
>SoftBank owns majority of ARM
So? SoftBank le bad because random twitterati told you so?

Good job in the stock market this year anons!

>>57125012
We have a lot of ledditors in now unironically cuz shitcos are up
so yeah softbank le bad. le hedgies le bad. le short sellers le bad.

>>57125010
>each ethnicity in the US had it´a criminal syndicate
Which one did the WASPs have?

>>57125012
SoftBank will buy absolutely anything because the BoJ will always bail them out. My former CEO went to pitch our company to some SB guys and they all fell asleep during the presentation. At the end they woke up and asked "how much?" Some pajeet at my company won't shut up about his ARM shares being up like 10%. I won't buy until he's underwater or starts talking about how he did the redeemful.

>>57125034
>le short sellers le bad.
People who think this should be automatically banned. It's so retarded. Do they think the stock market is just supposed to be a very shitty money printer?

>>57125010
Why do you need to refute it? Did you fall for the ex-us meme?

>>57125046
>Do they think the stock market is just supposed to be a very shitty money printer?
What else would it be?

>>57125046
I was in here the other day telling people that LLAP is a decent short and some guy who absolutely REEKD of reddit /r/wsb type shit was all like
>why are you spreading short FUD
To these fucking retards, basic equity diligence about shitty SMID cap stocks with shady management is considered "FUD"

SOXL and SOXS are about to trade places.
SOXS to 30, SOXL to 5.

Something is happening.
There’s like a billion ~Japanese (and people of the isles such as Ezo, Emishi, Iga, etc) in Canada and they seem to be fighting.

Ezo are walking around with swords and some police stations are entirely Ezo. There’s also a Canadian military base where all of the soldiers are Taira clan and they are clearly turning it into a fortress. Their birthrate is beyond insane.

Really ancient breeds of European Canada such as Vin and Québécois are significantly intermingling with whatever is happening.

https://on.soundcloud.com/EB6AXe5varqQQF3n8

>>57125036
I am not an american so i can´t tell it quite perfectly. But in the first half of that century you had commies, fascists and the KKK, so maybe it wasn't crime syndicates but rather domestic terrorists. You probably also had lots of white people bootlegging of fabricating counterfeit alcohol

>>57125049
because i think that woodrow wilson´s and roosevelt´s administration had deep and perverse effects on the entire world and i often see people talking about them as if they were good persons, often people in places of authority

>>57125044
>Softbank are permabulls
>This is a bad thing
Ok Bobo lmao

>>57125036
Hells Angels is white as fuck. I was on a flight to Alaska sorta recently from SFO and I had an unironic gang of Hells Angels sunburnt white guys shitting and pissing up the entire flight. i sat in front of them and they were so fucking loud and retarded

>>57125076
>you had commies
Those are jews. KKK are often mixed jews who forgot who they are but I'll take it.

>>57125076
The world is a deeply perverse plays full of people who barely evolved from chimps who smash rival tribe's babies on rocks. Don't overthink it. Where do you think we'd be now if not for these influences?

>>57125069
silence bobo

>>57125070
Nice. Canada always seemed like the most likely place in the "anglosphere" for things to get going outside South Africa.

>>57125088
Yeah man, their WeWork investment sure is doing well

>Fed is no longer profitable
>https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1740491726614118586

>Will have to turn on the money printer sometime in 2024

Didn't they teach this shit in fucking cartoons why just creating more money is a bad idea? Actual clowns are running the circus.
>https://youtu.be/t_LWQQrpSc4?si=qwdjIKWomNOo63Vf

>>57125118
>An investment company has a bad investment?? IMPOSSIBRU!!!!

>>57125044
SoftBank is way bigger than you or your company, they diversify their investments so that even with tons of dogshit investments, they still have good R/R with the winners.

This is the same model for Big Pharma acquiring R&D phase SMID cap pharmas or even more gargantuan purchases like BMY with KRTX recently.

The Softbank mantra is to spread the pile the pile of capital as wide as possible. You are a little bit retarded for thinking there's any signal to glean from your third-hand interactions with SoftBank.

>>57125010
Study up on the 1937 recession when they tried ending the make-work programs and the economy sputtered. The US only "recovered" due to the war economy, doubling the labor force by integrating women. Until we can go back to single income households being the norm, we've never truly recovered from 1929. Also look into the government soft default of Liberty Bonds when FDR's government refused to honor WWI bonds financed in gold-dollars after they banned gold privately and revalued from $20 -> $30+/oz. Many point to Bretton Woods as the end of the gold standard, but the US gov abandoned it to scrape nominally out of the depression.

>>57125076
when you adjust for inflation (real inflation, not government cpi numbers which are fudged to downplay how much the dollar loses its value every year), the market has never recovered from the 1929 crash.

>>57125132
>Bobo thinks the Fed can run out of money

Hey everybody, come laugh at this brainlet kek

>>57124736
Wow that's very rude

>>57125173
And you seem to think there has never been a market crash before.

Anyone in here looking at EDR?
https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/endeavor-ari-emanuel-private-silver-lake-tko-1235809751/
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/endeavor-to-look-for-alternatives-but-plans-to-keep-wwe-ufc-holdings-35f6b93b
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-25/endeavor-says-it-s-reviewing-strategic-options-shares-surge
Seems like a pretty clear lay up to me, buy at $23 sell at the buyout price from Silverlake and move on

>>57125212
market crashes don't matter, invest in chickens and learn how to catch japanese beetles (if US we are absolutely flooded with them and they make great chicken feed) and just hold

>>57125132
Deferred Remittances isn't a long term problem. It's an accounting entry to keep dollars/reserves issued with assets on the books. It'll stop moving downward as RRP empties and rates get cut. Then this deferred asset will be paid off with profits before resuming remittances. The Fed's gold holdings are also booked at $42/oz, so they have ~$700b in their gold revaluation account to plug in the hole if needed.

>>57124434
How'd everyone's day go?

>>57125012
>>57125034
If one entity can ruin your trade then you are not trading in the zone.

>>57125132
If they make more money everyone can be rich. What are you a racist? I bet you don't even have any TLT calls.

>>57125018
Thanks, I made a lot of money actually
It's too bad that's the only thing going for me, and I'm a worthless piece of shit otherwise.

>>57125253
What indicators do you use?

>>57124434
another day of nothing

>>57124936
>It's a MARAthon not a sprint
MARA is back to where it was last week and ETF is not even announced yet. This was a market wide sell off and expect it to recover next week to make the beginning of the New Year

>>57125262
I just follow the trends
It's been a strong trend all year

>>57125275
wow that is a based crab

>>57125282
How do you feel about next year?

>>57125279
>what is The Halvening

>>57125242
it's what it's
i don't have much

>>57125289
I don't know yet

My realised results for the year by instrument, starting from $1,957:

>Commodities
Oil Crude WTI : +4315.88
Wheat : +2234.02
Oats : +836.99
Cattle Feeder : +3760.77
Cattle Live : -3342.37 (long-short cattle spread)
Cotton : +267.64
Nat Gas (USA) : +108.70
Basedbean Oil : +51.83
Lumber (USA) : +41.60
Gasoil : +41.10
Lean Hogs : -791.82 (still holding)

>Forex
CMC USD Index : +594.41
EUR/JPY : +168.70
EUR/USD : +114.08
USD/JPY : +66.92

>Index (shorts and spreads)
US NDAQ 100 : +387.43
US 30 (Dow Jones) : -103.85 (I was long Dow-short Ndaq)
US SPX 500 : +31.56
Volatility Index : +10.44
US Small Cap 2000 : -24.13
Germany Mid 50 : -705.46 (still holding)

>Stock longs
PayPal Holdings Inc : +646.38

>Stock/ETF shorts
ARK Innovation ETF : -211.61
Amazon.com Inc : -385.00
Apellis Pharmaceuticals Inc : +76.60
Apple Inc : +152.76
Corcept Therapeutics Inc : -77.50
Dream Finders Homes Inc : +196.40
GameStop Corp : +104.00
Humacyte Inc : +92.50
MacroGenics Inc : +200.55
Mirati Therapeutics Inc : +0.04
PMV Pharmaceuticals Inc : +204.40
Pinduoduo Inc : +27.40
Pregicen Inc : +74.00
REX American Resources Corp : +69.00
SkyWater Technology, Inc : +25.60
Telecom Argentina SA : +46.00
Tilray Brands Inc : +176.00
United States Cellular Corp : -133.50
Upwork Inc : +14.00

I'm now a bit above $11,000

>>57125307
Those are CFDs and not futes contracts right?

>>57124863
>Because it's parabolically teaching itself and will soon become sentient.
you think the world is getting better because AI is improving itself?
also, you are hallucinating. AI is not training itself, and it will never become sentient.
also also, your price target for nvidia >>57124812 is $2500,
which is only a $6 trillion market cap,
the company doesn't actually do any AI work whatsoever, they just happen to be today's chipmaker for a very easy-to-make highly parallel linear algebra solver, which is today's useful hardware for AI but could be replaced at any time as AI changes,
in a world that is estimated to be $92 trillion total,
for the reinvention of fire,
which grew world population from a few hundred thousand doing fuck all to 8 billion people generating the aforementioned $92T

do you realize that you are terrible at valuation? that's fucking pathetic. shouldn't you target more like $100T after AI compounds the economy at rates higher than the entire history of the world has ever seen, starting from a $92T base, for the rest of time? literally no one has to work anymore, right?

clown.

>>57125329
Correct, they're not actually exchange-traded and I get 10x leverage

>>57125010
read rothbard's history of the great depression.

>>57125335
Shame us burgers are banned from using CFDs. Gains those good shant come to us without more collateral capital.

>>57125279
>>57125294
not a crypto guy, how would that effect a miners stock?

>>57125307
I have lost about 500 this year

>>57124434
DO WE HOLD OUR MARA/BITF/WULF/HUT over the weekend bros?

>>57125284

The stock market is gay and stupid

i think im strong in the loosers competition.

-50% YTD

>>57125388
Based, buy more now anon

>>57125388
The day's not over GET THAT TO -51%!

>>57125366
Yeah but most people beheem themselves hard with CFDs. How wild it can get forces you to figure out how to make survivable moves.

Ding ding ding! How did it go today anon?

>>57125307
which website is that?

i lost $600 betting on tesla when will i stop being retarded?

>>57125405
-0.08%
Terrible

>>57125405

>>57125405
Wow you hit closing bell time within 2 seconds. Very nice. Nothing happened again today and I made no trades. There was a little bit of something but I didn't feel like bothering.

>>57125405
Not great.

>>57125405
70k realized on the year.

>>57125405
Lost 5% to Mara. $3k down the drain on the last day of the year. Unreal.

>>57125405

>>57125405
-$1,586.00
(-0.67%)

Gay day

>>57125405
Beheemed myself a bit further, wash saled my red positions (no rule against it in Poland), in the last few days I lowered how much capital gains taxes I'll have to pay by about 10%.

>>57125406
CMC Markets

I made money this month guys.

Today's benchmarks:
>BOIL: -4.37%
>CCJ: 0.48%
>/HE: -0.69%
>KWEB: 1.39%
>MARA: -16.45%
>SOXL: -2.55%
>TMF: -2.58%
>TSLA: -1.85%
>XXXX: -0.99%

How many did (You) beat?

>>57125503
German Market closed at 8:30 so I beat all of them. Heh

And just like that, another year gone

>>57125503
I lost to China.

>>57125575
A common situation.

>>57124812
>smiggers are going full euphoria mode, completely unrealistic and delusional price targets
Another top signal. Baggot going long was my favourite recent one.

>>57124434
Beautiful action today on MARA, absolutely DESTRYOING options niggers all the way to pin it below $24 on the close.

This is why I love this stock. Reddit options niggers always lose.

For those MARA Chads who held long, well done. We get rewarded in the next 1-2 weeks.

>>57125573
Another year wasted
I think on Tuesday I'm selling everything and going 100% money market

Bulls won 2023.

>>57125333
>shouldn't you target more like $100T
My $2500 target is for 2024. By 2025 the learning process will be parabolic and a $100 trillion valuation will be feasible.
>literally no one has to work anymore, right?
Correct, AI is rapidly improving the world at a time when the adults are in charge of the government and companies. It's a golden combination that is giving us the golden bull run. This is the strongest economy in US history and it's only getting better from here
>>57125642
>Another top signal
Bobo said that all of 2023. When the S&P breaks 6000 you'll start to believe

>>57125674
And the best part
>Bobos think an ELECTION YEAR won't have a bullrun
Peak delusion kek, imagine betting on something that only happens once every 6 elections

the stock "market" doesn't make any sense. it's not rigged, right?

>>57125689
Oh it's you, putscuck. Carry on as you were, you little tranny fuck.

I was about to MARKSET SELL Cleanspark when the US market opened. Then it dropped 15% in 15 minutes. For fucks sake. Any reason why shit dropped today or is it just end of year selling to take profits? I need this piece of shit out of my portfolio.

>>57125653
I hope youre right

>>57125701
>Oh it's you, putscuck
I'm not who you think I am and I definitely don't have any puts. I have the most bullish price target on smg for 2024

>>57125708
Your broker should allow you to place orders (limit or market) before the bell.

SPX will end 2024 at 5,350. Screen cap this.

>>57125743
>He thinks putscuck means you have puts
Oh my sweet moron child. Putsrnotdawae was a retarded tranny cunt with the same delusional takes that you have except he also used to suck Bidens cock and supported Cuckraine and took the vax.
Basically the caricature of a mumu NPC.

Long weekend huh. New year huh. Sounds like a good recipe for...

>>57124538
Yikesposting isn't allowed.

>>57124569
The market is pricing in needing to sell to pay your taxes.

What company on stock market do you think has most hidden conspiracies/plans/secret knowledge?

>>57125760
>12% increase
Seems like a conservative, realistic prediction. Wouldn't be anything out of the ordinary desu

>>57125745
It does, I blame nobody but myself and I don't have a price target other than being in the green for this stock. Just haven't followed financial news today or most of this week really, did crypto crash today because of something interest rate sensitive or due to greyscale?

>futures

>>57125796
OD in 10... 9...

>>57125796
I know this general is full of various kinds of addicts and degenerates that already know this but do not shove drugs or alcohol up your butt. It is a good way to overdose.

>>57125796
WIFE MATERIAL, Looks like my love Piper Perri

>>57125796
butt why

>>57125781
Assuming a CPI of 318.6 EOY 2024 that's like 4717 in Dec 2021 dollars, so still not ATH in real terms.

...and once again, this is definitely one of the threads about the stock market this year

>>57125823
>I know this general is full of various kinds of addicts and degenerates that already know this but do not buy 0DTE options or OTM 100x leveraged warrants. It is a good way to go bankrupt.

>>57125796
That's hot but I wouldn't want other guys shoving drugs up my nono.

>>57125835
alright now see here

>>57125388
Good work anon! I capped it at -28% this year, way off my 2022 record of -97%!

It's almost comical at this point

>>57125848
Not bad.

My dad works at the politburo and says big things are happening in 2024.

Trust
Me

>>57125852
2024 is going to be bloody, hope you loaded up on shorts and bear etfs when you had the chance

>>57125796

I wish I could rim that asshole.

>>57125890
you probably can for like $100.

Any long term investing tips for new born babies? I don't want her to go through the same struggles I did.

>>57125898
btc

>>57125898
If the U.S. starts having real demographic and population issues in the distant future the common wisdom of perpetual population growth (and inflation) induced economic expansion may not be the prevailing or useful common sense any longer.

LLAP sisters.

Drinking an IPA. What are you guys drinking? Any plans on staying comfy this weekend?

>>57125952
I had like maybe 25 drinks last weekend a la red wine. not going to realy drink that much this weekend. gonna do some extracurricular non-wagie work that helps me get out of my current wagie (doing cool projects on github).

Going to smoke pot instead of being an aggressive alcoholic

>>57124434
I lost a thousand dollars at open within two minutes

>>57125921
So pretending I have a very low IQ, what are you suggesting?

>>57125796
i wish that was me

for anyone who lost money today - you deserved it

I don't know what to say

>>57125405
Pretty shitty year. Up 7.04% for the year. Clearly I am a midwit and should not be trading and should be buying SPY like every retard boomer out there.

>>57125653
>For those MARA Chads who held long, well done. We get rewarded in the next 1-2 weeks.

How dare you give me copium.

Welp 2023 is in the bag, far as money making goes anyway. Eating some M&M's. Part of my Christmas stuff. Fucking 3lb container full of Christmas themed M&M's. Came from Ollie's

>>57126040
Why don't you add the other logos?

>>57126015
>zero alpha in a strong alpha year
how? If you were a Bobo you'd have negative alpha, but this...

Man the wackoff fags are back. What part of the timeline are we in

>>57125987
move to iceland if white
just collect gibs if brown

>>57125987
Basically line goes up and investing in the S and P 500 works fine but you should really keep an eye out on the macro to make sure your base assumption of continuous "economic expansion" is valid.
If we become England post 2008, or undergo Japanification, or turn into South Africa it is all over.

up 130% or so YTD on stocks
up 500% or so YTD on crypto
nice year lads

>>57126112
investing would be the least of my concerns if we turned into africa

>>57126112
Agreed. At some point everybody investing their life savings into the same 500 stocks blindly/passively without any regards to price has to stop working.

>>57126112
goddamn does the FTSE 100 suck bongbros get your banks in order jesus you were supposed to be the premier bankers once upon a time

>>57125823
I'm pretty sure we're actually not that bad.

>>57126078
anon... it's complicated...

>>57126112
Im in the UK lol, are we fucked

>>57126112
We're going to go California -> South Africa. You can already see it happening in California.

>>57126144
i-is this what the S&P will look like in 30 years? fallen empirebros?

>>57126180
Yes. We'll be replaced with a multi polar Poland vs Philippines regime.

>>57125796
Do these females sell stocks or what

>>57125848
nice. nice improvement too

>>57126180
College Football Bowl Games will give us another 100 years anon

This year was figuring out WTF to do with my money. I did better than previous years but still have a ways to go.

>>57126165
Yup. I'm in ca, we're fucked.

>>57126217
I fucking miss TDA

Should I buy $5,000 worth of SAVE? I bought almost $10,000 of it earlier in the month, but I panic sold and only profited a few hundred. Do you guys own it?

>>57126162
honestly you guys need to go out and fucking colonize something instead of just bringing your former colonies back home and whining about the NHS and letting your financial institutions sustain themselves on leveraged gilts.

>>57126259
India might colonize the UK. The demographic situation in India is so bullish that the latter half of the 21st century is going to be the Poojeet Century.

>>57126282
what a shitty fucking century.

>>57126282
>>57126301
It will be full of poosabilities.

Ease of travel and economic migration have created this situation where indians, south americans and africans will eventually destabilize and destroy the western world's communities and institutions over the next 2-300 years before a new dark age and subsequent enlightenment

We're just starting to witness the top of decadence and the beginning of the fall, rome 2.0. I'm sure wealthy romans at the time had no qualms about letting outsiders inside their society, while they sat back in walled terraces and never have to deal with them or the consequences. That's the modern technocratic and political western class.

>>57126144
Remove tech from the SP500 and it will look a lot similar. UK companies are all bloated legacy dividend payers, no will for that to change because no risk appetite and no liquidity from printing money.

>>57126336
Weird how the obvious demographics caused catastrophe looming isn't something financial advisors for long term investments mention...

>>57126180
Hell no, the difference between SPY and FTSE is SPY has all the tech companies innovating and producing for the global economy meanwhile FTSE consists of boomer banks, pharmaceutical and energy companies with no growth. Do you really think Apple, Microsoft, Amazon will cease to exist in 10 years time?

>>57126380
No but their earnings can and will eventually fall and so will the price with them.

>>57126336
>I'm sure wealthy romans at the time had no qualms about letting outsiders inside their society,
From what I've read it was remarkably similar to what we're experiencing: Lots of people hated it but there was too much social and political inertia to do anything. When stuff started coming apart everyone already hated eachother so much no one bothered to stop it.

I hope the market keeps going up in 2024

>>57126380
The change in Britain happened between the 60s and the early 2000s.

>>57126336
so whos going to be the eastern empire that remains?

>>57125787
It crashed because the last and dumbest of the dumb money bought in a couple days ago.

Remember: Bitcoin miners don't actually make any money. And their book values are nowhere close to their market caps. That means they subsist off hype.

>>57126446
I know. I'm market selling and dumping it all into PayPal as soon as it's back in the green.

Next year is the year nuclear pumps for real. For real this time.

>>57125778
Blackrock, easily

>>57125978
Same, to Mara.

>>57126627
I bought more like a brainlet yesterday because I thought yesterday was the dip kek

>>57124867
Ah thank you for the insight

>>57126371
Because “financial advisors” are either midwits that will suggest what worked in the past, or outright commissioned sales people. You will get better insights from biz than listening to some midwife financial advisor telling you to build a 60/40 portfolio.

Financial advisors don’t work unless you have enough money to start a family office, and you might be able to get some ex-hedge fund analysts to work for you.

>>57126380
Will they continue GROWING in 10 years time? I don’t think so. We have reached the end of growth.

>>57126436
India.

>hmmm maybe I should watch x files
>complete series free…nah
>complete movie…nah
>explained in 3 minutes…click

>>57126645
I bought for the first time yesterday then doubled down. Wanted a quick thousand on 500 shares and instead 1/3 of my IRA is now compromised.

>>57126399
In particular it was letting barbarians into the citizen class and subsequently into the military which ruined Rome.
>Let's make them citizens, because we can make more money by taxing them like citizens
>And they now can serve as the army core instead of auxiliaries or mercenaries
>Wait, why are people who are supposed to protect us joining up with their cousins invading from across the Rhine?

Lots of non /biz/ related stuff getting posted here. You do know the staff that has to clean it up doesn't get paid right? They are unpaid volunteers doing their best to make this place usable, and it doesn't help when you post NSFW stuff, sex toy stuff, etc in this thread. STOP.

I'm feeling bullish for next year, especially for tech. A big continuation of last year.

I'm actually starting to believe in the "it's going to crash next year" storyline... High rate are going to kill off all of those speculative new businesses and startups, all of the companies selling services to them are going to take massive revenue drops, the companies selling infrastructure to them will experience the same. Lots of people getting laid off. It's going to be a hard landing I think.
Also, for unrelated reasons, it hurts when I close my eyes too hard

Financial dumbass here. I have $40k cash and just made a Vanguard account. What's the best way to grow my money without taking on too much risk? Right now I'm looking at just dumping it all into a 70/30 mix of VOO and TQQQ.

>>57126904
>TQQQ
>Vanguard account
buddy do I have some bad news for you

>>57126924
Explain, my IQ is literally 90

>>57125036
The Biden Crime family. But they are Jewish now, I guess (married into Jewry).

>>57126936
https://investor.vanguard.com/investor-resources-education/etfs/leveraged-inverse-etf-etn

>>57126936
Think of drug dealers cutting their product. Don't trade your dealer's supply, they'll fuck you.
>>57126939
Why is he in the Virgin Islands today?

>REDUCED RENT and/or 2 MONTHS FREE - starting at $1,545! Limited time offer. Apply online today and reserve your new home!
Places are desperate to get tenants but won't just lower the fucking rent back to where it was lmao.

>>57126945
Damn what the fuck
>>57126948
I don't know what this means

>>57126969
What's your profession?

>>57126969
no stop losses or live data feeds either so if you trade on the platform I hope you are fucking ready to ride the tiger.
Option trades are a $1 per trade

>>57126977
I'm literally a fucking ZOGbot for the US Army.

>>57125076
Minimum wage, 40 hour work week, Unions( National Labor Relations Act),
Works Progress Administration at the time: Job program.

Minimum wage help pay workers livable wages which allow them to buy goods that support the economy.
40 hour work weeks. People don't burn out if you don't work them to the bone. Creation of Unions because these corporations don't care about your rights just profits.
Banking regulations. Bankers are just as degenerate, greedy and retarded as any of us here. We should have had them in prison in 08 but our system is owned by them.

"The system of banking we have both equally and ever reprobated. I contemplate it as a blot left in all our constitutions, which, if not covered, will end in their destruction, which is already hit by the gamblers in corruption, and is sweeping away in its progress the fortunes and morals of our citizens. Funding I consider as limited, rightfully, to a redemption of the debt within the lives of a majority of the generation contracting it; every generation coming equally, by the laws of the Creator of the world, to the free possession of the earth he made for their subsistence, unincumbered by their predecessors, who, like them, were but tenants for life… And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." ~ Thomas Jefferson

Things don't change much.

>>57125076
As opposed to the alternative of what? Human history is disgusting.
The victors write the history books. Roosevelt sat in the big chair.

>>57126960
Top line revenue/earnings MUST continue going up at ALL times. Shareholders demand it and will fire any management team that doesn’t make it happen. The entire economy is basically trying to squeeze the last drop of blood from the American populace so stocks can go up 20% again next year.

Our entire way of life, our system of being is based on “line go up.”

>>57126990

Does SOXL pay dividends?

>>57126981
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Leonard_scandal
What MOS? Do they even still use that moniker?

>>57126775
inverse the janny simp

uranium

>>57127010
Lmao, I'm not shocked that some shit like that would involve the Navy.
I'm an 11b

>>57127043
Army supply is just as corrupt. Hell, I was a 25S and did contract work for years overseas for the Army and Marines and it's rampant everywhere. Most people are just too dumb to see what's going on.

>NASDAQ up 43% on the year
anons...

I need to cum deep, deep inside a cute college chick's pussy or else I'm going to die.

>>57127113
>one of the best years for the market in decades
>threads keep getting slower
something is not right here

>>57127113
>>57127134
>Understanding a Crack-Up Boom
>The crack-up boom develops out the same process of credit expansion and the resulting distortion of the economy that occurs during the normal boom phase of Austrian business cycle theory. In the crack-up boom, the central bank attempts to sustain the boom indefinitely without regard to consequences, such as inflation and asset price bubbles. The problem comes when the government continuously pours more and more money, injecting it into the economy to give it a short-term boost, which eventually triggers a fundamental breakdown in the economy. In their efforts to prevent any downturn in the economy, monetary authorities continue to expand the supply of money and credit at an accelerating pace and avoid turning off the taps of money supply until it is too late.
>In Austrian business cycle theory, in the normal course of an economic boom driven by the expansion of money and credit the structure of the economy becomes distorted in ways that eventually result in shortages of various commodities and types of labor, which then lead to increasing consumer price inflation. The rising prices and limited availability of necessary inputs and labor put pressure on businesses and causes a rash of failures of various investment projects and business bankruptcies. In ABCT this is known as the real resource crunch, which triggers the turning point in the economy from boom to bust.

>>57127113
>>57127134
>>57127149
>As this crisis point approaches, the central bank has a choice: either to accelerate the expansion of the money supply in order to try to help businesses pay for the increasing prices and wages they are faced with and delay the recession, or to refrain from doing so at the risk of allowing some businesses to fail, asset prices to fall, and disinflation (and possibly a recession or depression) to occur. The crack-up boom occurs when the central bank chooses and sticks with the first option.
>Economist Friedrich Hayek famously described this situation as like grabbing a "tiger by the tail."3 Once the central bank decides to accelerate the process of credit expansion and inflation in order to head off any recession risk, then it continually faces the same choice of either accelerating the process further or facing an even greater risk of recession as distortions build in the real economy.
>As part of this process, consumer prices rise at an accelerating rate. Based on current price increases and market participants' understanding of central bank policy, consumer expectations of future inflation also rise. These create positive feedback that leads to accelerating price inflation that can far outstrip the rate of central bank money expansion and become what is then known as hyperinflation.

>>57127005
Yes

>>57127113
>>57127134
>>57127149
>>57127172
>History of the Crack-Up Boom
>In the early 1920s, von Mises witnessed and decried hyperinflation in his native Austria and neighboring Germany.5 Von Mises played an instrumental role in helping Austria to avoid a crack-up boom but could do nothing but sit back and watch as the German Reichsmark collapsed one year later. He was adamant that not keeping credit expansion in check could pave the way for a deadlier dose of hyperinflation that would eventually bring the economy to its knees.
>Examples of a Crack-Up Boom
>Several economies, other than Germany, have caved in after a period of credit expansion and hyperinflation, including Argentina, Russia, Yugoslavia, and Zimbabwe.2 A more recent example is Venezuela. Years of corruption and misfiring government policies have led the South American country's economy to collapse in a drastic fashion. As a result, millions of Venezuelans face poverty, food shortages, and blackouts.6 According to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), Venezuela's economy contracted by over 35% between 2013 and 2017. Rampant inflation hasn't helped.
>By mid-2019, inflation in the country was reported to be as high as 10 million percent, meaning that a product that once cost the equivalent of one bolivar went on to cost the equivalent of 10 million bolivars.7 Things have gotten so bad that a monthly salary in Venezuela was reportedly not enough to even cover the cost of a single gallon of milk.

>>57126939
They are Irish

>>57126989
unfathomably based

>>57127118
Reminds me of that one text that that pajeet sent to some slut
>SIRS, THIS IS RAJESH'S DOCTOR, he needs to see breasts immediately or he will die!

>>57126648
Might sound crazy, but I'll put it to the test this run to see. Also, it's not the 12th, new moon is on the 11th

What's the best tickers to swing trade?

I wasn't in the USA during COVID, and haven't started using any home delivery food apps until this week (local liquor store had free shipping, cost me like $3 to have some bottles delivered today an hour after I ordered, simple enough).
Heard a news report about Pizza Hut in California cutting all of their delivery drivers and using gig workers. I noticed the same locally in another state when I ordered from a Papa Johns last week. Ordered again today, and it was a gig worker again. Apparently minimum wage is going up and companies are just basically farming this work out to immigrants with a driver's license.

my leaf pennyscam woke up, earnings were good

fuck all the haters, ai dashcams are the future

>>57127224
What tickers should I look at? I don't know what all is out there, I've heard of door dash, viteramen (sp?), hello fresh, and then you have walmart and others (swanson visits my neighbor once a week). What companies deliver food?

>>57125056
>oh no now I’m only up 40% not 50 guess I should have listened to you anon
Buy llap hold long

>>57127218
crypto miners, last week goes up 30% and today 15% down

>>57127134
Most anons here are way too mind broken by /pol/ saying that the whole economy and stock market is "fake" and "gay" and that there's gonna be a massive rugpull crash any minute now. Maybe it is all fake and gay, idk, but earnings have been decent and everything keeps going up. I too would be demoralized and post a lot less I bought into a bunch of /pol/ larp and lost money from it

>>57127248
>earnings have been decent and everything keeps going up
everything gets revised down weeks later, consistently.

>>57127248
What makes me suspicious of the investment system as a whole is that it's only existed in its current form for a handful of decades, yet people act like it's immutable and unchangeable and in 200 years people will be able to chuck money into the S&P 500 and the numbers will go up like usual. I participate in it but that doesn't reduce my suspicions.

>>57127267
It goes up because there are more and more buyers every year anon. Simple as. Not knowing the underlying structure of the 'economy' allows for uncertainty, and that is how you make money.

>>57126960
Free months rent is the new scam so they can charge higher rent to anyone too lazy to move/negotiate.
Feeds off typical rentcuck laziness

>>57127267
Think of it as buying into the idea that we are improving things for the future. Maybe you don't like how the world is right now, but the stock market is selling people the idea that it will get better.

>>57127245
Mairon tried that already and lost $200.

>>57127245
>>57127302
>>57127302
Crypto miners make sense in a Bitcoin bullrun but because Bitcoin goes down 80-90% in a bear market and can have corrections of 20-40% over a single weekend during non-trading hours you gotta keep in mind there's a lot of risk. In the worst case it's actually a worse thing to trade than ETFs or pennystocks because those can have little 2x shitter pumps like how soxl reached a 'floor' of 6 dollars last year and went back up to 30 now, but shit like MARA can go down forever in a real way especially if they dilute you. Maybe that's not too different from SOXL, but SOXL- may I be forgiven for saying so- at least has a good fundamental underlying that will be used for years to come (semiconductors) while bitcoin booms and shrinks depending on inflation. So you can either see MARA shoot to 200 bucks or shrink to 3 bucks and take all your money with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4feUSTS21-8

>>57127300
I don't think anyone could possibly be so naive as to believe this. You can't be human.

>>57127267
Simple answer is this; more and more employers enrolling their employees into 401k's. (Target funds). They have zero choice. It's actually mandated by the new secure act law passed by congress. If the company is an actual business (paperwork and shat) with more than 10 people then yeah they have to do it. So every year more and more people put into the target funds. Today's S&P almost 5000 will look "cheap" 20 years from now. (aside; if another epic dump happens you know what you gotta do right?. Prepare to deploy the mega load of cash sitting in your savings that's what. look at history for guidance. 2020 crash; line go up after the fact)

>>57127302
Lost 200 but made 400 and then some with mstr and mara. If I sold on the 27th I would have had 1k more than I have already. Kinda sucks and I deserve it for being greedy

>>57126939
>The Biden Crime family.
They're Irish Catholics: almost the opposite.

>>57127300
Yeah it's going to be better tomorrow. 2024 is going to be great and 2025 even better. =D

>>57127361
It is nuts to me that we systematically hook up the fate of everyone's retirement to the fate of the stock market

>>57127329
Mara is going down to15 bucks. Better to cut loses now and reenter at a lower price for when it revs up for the havening shitzo fraud

>>57127361
>Today's S&P almost 5000 will look "cheap" 20 years from now.
So will today's living expenses.

>>57127379
LOL, look up Panama Papers. Bidens are super fucked, and that doesn't even account for all of the corruption they were dealing with overseas.

Future ain't looking too green, laddies

>>57127391
>look up Panama Papers
irrelevant if it isn't followed by consequences.

>>57127382
In 100 years when kids are studying the Second Great Depression and greatest asset bubble in history, they will say "how could people have been so dumb as to put their entire life savings into passive (price indiscriminate) index funds with the hope that line go up forever? how could they have not seen it was nothing more than an inflow driven ponzi scheme?" Much the way we talk about the tulip bubble or 1920s shoe shine boys.

>>57127413
The wheel of justice is long, as I've been finding out. Legal shit takes forever. Hell Bernie is still being litigated.

Baking

>>57127420
It's not the same
It goes up because the value of money goes down and the population increases, not pure price speculation

>>57127446
during stagflation in the 1970s the dollar lost a lot of its value and the stock market just went sideways for about 10-15 years. I think it has more to do with liquidity in the system, which is not exactly the same thing as inflation or money supply.

I need CSCO to go back to $53 or I'm gonna burn the building down.

>>57127446
Yes, it is not PURE price speculation. There is some fundamentals. But valuations are untethered from their historical norms. This is inflow driven, or speculation driven, or some combination of the two.

>>57127428
She is truly one of the finest specimens to walk God's green earth. She is going to be the reward for some well bred, high class Chad.

>>57127419
>>57127419
>>57127419

...still a little life left in this one

>>57127801
threads sick doc
there is no saving it

>>57127801
>>57127986
Beep beep.........

>>57127428
>>57127602
that’s a man

>>57127379
Used to be. Every single one of his children married a Jew/Jewess

>>57127998
beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

You guys all bought puts for next week right? ….Right?