/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>57105873
TOTAL CRAB DEATH

You cannot be serious.

Ding ding ding! How did it go today anon?

Fat people are fucking gross and I ignore anything they say and assume it's wrong and that they are retarded. This is financial advice.

another green day for index CHADS

>>57105892
problem?
>>57105893
flat as a board

>>57105892
It was somewhat obvious they'd do some bullshit. The way it stopped 10 mins pre close. In the last 5 mins the bullshit starts and goes nuts in the last 1-2 mins.

From how the market acted 3 hours ago you could have told.

>>57105893
MARA is only up 15% today. We can do better.

New card. Whaddaya think?

>>57105922
>>57105892
And 2 hours ago, that dump. These moves were so weird that it was 90% certain that at the end either moon or megadump.

>>57105873
MARA Chads, they don't deserve to ride with us.

Do I buy more ASML? Only serious answers please

So SPY just isn't allowed to close red anymore?

>>57105892
This bullshit is why I want to be able to gamble on calls with 10 minutes to expiry.

Youd have spent a dollar per call and 50xed it within ten minutes and this bull shit happens like every other day.

What in the fuck is there any way to do this without having the full cash in your account to back a shitload of calls being assigned?

My plan is just to sell them anyway. And its not like broker would care: an assignment means we made money right and the broker can just dump the position?

bought some AULT

>energy

>>57105893
Look, I ain't checking, so stop asking.

>>57105893
I lost $2.86 today

HAL chads, what are we spending our dividends on tomorrow?

>>57105941
>he only pays attention when things fit into his fantasy scenarios

>>57105906
yeah post em
I know in 1980 there was a democrat incumbent (Carter) and a recession started at the beginning of the year and he got heemed out of office by Reagan.
2023 feels a lot like 2007 in the sense that most people understand things are bad, but the bottom hasn’t fallen out yet so people are still coping and the government is saying “subprime is contained” (“inflation is coming down nicely” “soft landing” etc) but then eventually the bottom does just fall out.

>>57105893
What the fuck it's already 5:00. I just finished putting my shirt on.

>>57105979
Hey butthole, how does one go about trading 10 minute to expiry options?

Theres got to be a way to do with without having $45000 for each spy call in your account. There just has to be.

>>57105893
>down 0.48%
Maybe I don't have what it takes to make 1% per day every day for 50 years.

>>57105893
-12.82%

>>57105941
>>57105997
You're so fucking retarded that you serve as a warning to any shareholders of brokerages about how little they're doing to vet options traders.

>>57105893
Down 0.5% for the whole day
Then, thanks to the LAST MINUTE up 0.03% KEK

>>57105997
What did she mean by this?

>>57105937
That is correct.

>>57106013
kek, how can somebody get so mad at this?

>>57106013
Hey nigger just because you are too dumb to answer my question that doesnt mean you need to get all defensive

Just realized $800 in losses. I was never going to get it back anyway. What should I buy with the proceeds?

>>57105985
here you go friend

Signals pointing to near-term recession:
> Yield curve inverted an entire YEAR ago and has remained heavily inverted since
> As of Nov 1st, 32/50 states have shrinking coincidence indexes (since 1980, over 26 = recession)
> Fed signaling potential rate cuts (cuts usually happen as a recession is underway)
> S&P500 price, P/E ratio, and price/GDP ratio (Buffet indicator) are all ~1.4std devs above average (over top ~10% relative to trendlines since 1970)
> S&P500 somehow up >10% since rate hikes began. With RSI >70, at the very least a drawdown is imminent
> "Free" liquidity from reverse repo set to run out around April 2024
> Housing prices still way above the trendline relative to mortgage rates
> Average time between recessions since WWII has been ~6.5 years. One could say we're only 3 years from Covid, but let's be honest it was fake. We were going on 11 years since '08, and a legit '20-'21 recession was likely in the cards but Covid gave governments a chance to self-inflict an injury to get their stimulus fix. We're on borrowed time.
> Unemployment near rock bottom, but starting to rise (common pre-recession trend)
> Usage of the phrase "soft landing" (aka cope) in financial articles is peaking again (happened pre '01 and '08)
> Consumer savings drying up to pre-pandemic levels
> Student loan payments restarted back in September - however a 1 year "on-ramp" allows payments to be deferred, but interest still generates.
> Ratio of Money Market Funds vs. S&P market cap is normal, but rising (common pre-recession trend)

Signals against recession:
> Usage of margin to buy stocks is at average levels (no exuberance)
> Household financial obligations (rent/mortgage, auto, insurance, property tax) as % of disposable income is actually lower than all of 1980-2020 (covid was abnormally low)
> Election year - only 4/24 (17%) between 1926-2020 were negative, vs. ~27% of all years

>>57105893
Like -$19 unrealized. It's fuckin over.

I remain priced out. Perhaps tomorrow I can buy.

>>57106071
>priced out
What the fuck does that even mean

>>57106032
sell your house and put the money in your brokerage to cover your 10 min to expiry 0dte gambling
1 good trade and you retire anon, i'm sure you'll nail it

>>57106085
I wanted to buy something but the price increased to a level I am not willing to pay.

>>57106085
Some bros can't afford 1 SPY. Be nice.

>>57106086
It's about being able to buy 50 calls with 0 premium and benefitting maximally from a single price swing with the least initial investment.

Today, that would have been an easy 50 banger. Id have bought $100 worth or so.

It's actually happened quite a lot recently too.

>>57106041
[cuts in 2024 and restarts QE]

recession cancelled, bears are fucked again

>>57105893
+.64%

Anybody have any good plays?

Everything I’m watching is overbought right now.

Where is that Hello Fresh shill at? Fuck this stock
In order to use the "gift" certificates my family got me, I still need to give the company my credit card?
So I've been "gifted" a scam?

>>57106118
Did you ever wonder what happens when it goes in the opposite direction of your bet though

>>57105997
>shitty tattoos

why do women do this to themselves? Looks so tacky.

>>57106134
what would motivate the fed to lower rates and restart qe, anon? if there’s no economic downturn, then there’s no need to lower rates, right? and certainly not back to zero plus qe.

>>57106134
That also happened in 2000 and 2008

>>57106147
Have you ever tried answering the question rather than acting like a retarded nigger?

>>57106147
He loses his initial payment? It sounds like anon is talking about gambling a few bucks, like 10-100$ on last minute gambles.

>>57106166
>what would motivate the fed to lower rates and restart qe, anon?
rigging the election for biden, 2025 will be the year where shit hits the fan

>>57106142
You'll get the meals over a period of time as well, which is generally where they make their money. The "free meal kits" are never frontloaded, they're drip fed to you so you keep using the service. It's good quality food, however. I liked it when I went to a buddies and he had some kits around because he's lazy. I want to try the firecracker meatballs honestly but I don't want to pay a sub fee to eat them.

>>57106158
Like bumper stickers on a Lamborghini.

>>57105972
Come live with me in Africa, we can share water

>>57106041
thanks anon, good stuff. I would just reiterate that despite election years having an overall positive return, it’s also the case that since 1980 most recessions have happened in election years. also as for
>Unemployment near rock bottom, but starting to rise (common pre-recession trend)
it’s actually more like
>unemployment crossed over its 24 month moving average in Q42023, and every single time that happens, it keeps going up and a recession quickly follows.

>>57106180
Did you even look at that girl? She's not a Lambo, she looks more like a Pontiac Aztek

>>57106174
Yeah. I don't think Sherlock over there is too bright.

Obviously I'm trying to gamble a few bucks and I want to know how to do it. It seems like an easy way to get an outsized return or a small loss. Probably a net expected value on the trade tbqh.

>>57106158
So that we'd know who's a dumb whore. Women unironically signal what they're for, floozies show it by bimboifying themselves, those who want to settle down signal it by wearing dresses with flowers on them.

>>57106201
Ok fine. Imagine if this broad had several unsightly tats.

>>57105893
41 bepis for a new portfolio ATH

feels good being primarily an index chad

>>57106175
I don’t think Biden wants people to be paying $10 for a gallon of gas during an election year. QE isn’t good for the economy or the common man; it’s good for the rich and the government.

>>57105933
Fuck dude I'm so pissed I missed out on some MARA gains holding it's retarded ugly sister RIOT.

>>57106118
i'm guessing you are talking about SPY options, your broker does not let you hold them that late into day because they get excercised if they go in the money and if you can't afford to buy 50x100 of SPY then they need to foot the bill and they will not do that for you so they simply block you from doing the trade
brokerages dont want to deal with collecting from random retards and going to court so it is cheaper and way easier to just not let you do the trade or liquidate your position if their algo predicts the option of possibly going itm
there is no easy solution, find a shittier broker that still lets you trade SPY options or get a big enough portfolio to cover the purchase of that much SPY
i'm pretty sure some banks or maybe even brokerages can get you a document to sign that you do NOT want your options to be automatically excercised if they expire in the money but good luck with that
dunno if those documents are something that is one and done or something that you / they need to keep submitting

>>57105899
you just know

>>57106142
I would just throw the certificates in the trash

>>57106041
also take a look at GDI (gross domestic income) in terms of how it tends to lead GDP down going into a recession. when GDI is negative yoy it has perfect correlation with a recession. in fact in most cases the recession has already started when it goes negative (it’s negative rn btw).

>>57106202
Well, you'd need a broker? Like IBKR? If you live in the US there probably are a lot more options (no pun intended).

>>57106225
Well id love to find one of those brokerages.

Anyone know one?

Besides, if this gamble goes ITM, isnt it a relatively simple move to liquidate, lets say, 10000 shares of SPY even after hours?

That way I get profit when my gamble goes ITM, but the assignment is backed by the liquidated shares? I would assume this is a rather basic service offered by some brokerages. Essentially, the brokerage borrows and sells (shorts) the value of your ITM assignment at that point in time?

>>57105893
I sold my TMF calls this afternoon. It kept climbing of course, but I'm happy with a 27% return. It brings my account to 8.5% for the month, which I am happy about. When Baggie finds this bread, I'd like to know what he thinks about putting that cash back into TMF/TLT with a trailing stop order.

>>57105946
here's YTD

>average MSFT shareholder

>>57106142
>In order to use the "gift" certificates my family got me, I still need to give the company my credit card?
Alright I'm calling investor relations what the fuck is this bullshit?

>>57106217
>unrealized.

>>57105893
+0.07%

>>57106277
>selling, ever

only things I'll sell outright are individual equity positions and i'll trim various indices around the edges

>>57106265
Looking for one that lets you trade options til the last second essentially.

Its too bad RH doesnt let you do it, as their interface is so smooth and quick. I find fidelity and vanguard to be a bit clunky when I want to make a quick scalp.

the CNBC shills are starting to counter-signal AI. top is in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mxnpqMwzCI

>>57106267
Trade cashsellted options. Not SPY, but e-Mini (mini spx) or some other sp500 thing.

Holy hell, all that text here >>57106225
which probably isn't wrong, but just tell him to trade cashsettled

>>57106223
>RIOT

Lol
Lmao even

Why?!

>Amazon, $AMZN, Prime Video will start showing ads on January 29th, per TC.
lmao

>>57105893
+26.02%

>>57106291
>geriatric boomers talk about technology for a aging off population
Where's the tits? I can't watch this shit.

>>57106267
>isnt it a relatively simple move to liquidate, lets say, 10000 shares of SPY even after hours?
>I would assume this is a rather basic service offered by some brokerages
> Essentially, the brokerage borrows and sells (shorts) the value of your ITM assignment at that point in time
oh I am laffin

>>57106266
I have no fucking clue about anything anymore.

>>57106158
>>57106207

Would

i just want to apologize to all the smg anons for my poor showing of copypasta creation, really all this year
i take full responsibility
i love you fags, no homo, and I'll do better in 2024

>>57106231
picrel

>>57106344
that's exactly the point you fucking imbecile. if they start counter-signaling AI to their fellow boomers, they're going to begin dumping it.

>>57106300
>>57106267
SPX or e-mini are alternatives that are without this exercising bullshit iirc. It's cashsettled instead of physical like SPY.

>>57105997
this is a PRIME slampig

>>57106303
I thought it had more speculative room to grow. I now realize that MARA outperforms this stock in gains and every other way too. I will only do MARA now.

>>57106360
I couldn't finish reading your post. I tried, but there was no file attached of some DDD bimbo.

>>57106267
buying 10000 SPY and selling 10000 SPY immediately after that is not something that the broker wants to do for you as they can lose money on the trade
they are here to collect money from your trades with no risk which is the opposite of what you want them to do with your 0dte gambling

>>57106300
dont euorpean style options get automatically excercissed similar to american style options ?

>>57106268
thanks anon, you got a bloomberg terminal ? do you find it useful over a long term ?

>>57106186
>>57106255
thanks, not familiar with GDI vs GDP details so will look into it
I'm not an active investor btw just a risk averse index fund hodl-er with a normal job, so there's probably better technical ways to describe most of those points like your unemployment example

I'm just looking for decent entry points and trying to avoid a rugpull since I'm aiming for a housing/land purchase within the next ~5 years or so
Not about to FOMO into this clown market, that's what burned me in 21-22 before I started looking at long term trends

>>57106255
another eurodollar university watcher?

>>57106346
Well, me either. I guess that's why I paper-handed my calls. It makes me wonder what the truly smart are doing with their cash, or whether the truly smart would be in cash in this position in the first place.

>>57106345
the only liquidating my broker's ever done for me after hours was my entire portfolio to cover my margin deficit when oil shot up 40% on some arab on arab sandbox bombing

Why would anyone hold anything other than BYON?

>>57106346
Liquidate, EVERYTHING!

>>57106174
No. He's wanting to short. You set yourself up for half a mil of losses with his strategy and he's bitching about his broker needing that much in his margin account to do that.

MARA chads, when do we sell

>>57106379
Yeah I have my own terminal I get through work which can be accessed anywhere with the app

It's definitely useful but more just for the fact you're constantly plugged into news and information flow and can easily access various economic forecasts/data releases. Also I love using the excel add-in to build bloomberg-linked excel models. It's kind of weird in that I don't find it tremendously useful on any given day or for any given thing but if you were to take it away from me I'd definitely feel the loss

Funny enough the only thing I almost never use it for is for pulling historical company financials - I find bloomberg often has lots of small mistakes/incorrect classifications or other issues so I just go straight to the relevant SEC filings from the company website to pull financial data

>>57105873
Looking forward to that sweet 5% pullback, any day now.

>>57106419
Fuck if I know. This shit is just going to keep pumping.

>>57106379
>Owners of American options may exercise at any time before the option expires. European options can only be exercised at expiration.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/optioninvestor/08/american-european-options.asp

>average MSFT owner holder on SMG

>>57106418
That doesn't make any sense. To sell options right at the end. You receive 0 premium but huge risk thanks to moves like 1 hour ago. It souns like he wants to buy options with very low premium and hope for such wild movements at the close.

>>57105893
>Finally made a good call and one of my plays went up 10% today
>Only put a grand into it so I made pocket change
Feels kind of bad sometimes I wish I wasn't too much of a pussy to gamble on options

because the propaganda hasn't really convinced people to eat the bugs or suck down fucking fake food yet. The world isn't shitty enough, and that's what you're seeing being done now. as "fake" as food is today, it's got some meat byproducts. I learned something the other day, it's called kike karma. If they tell you something, even no matter how hidden it is, they believe due to karmic inversion that it's your fault for not finding them earlier. It's so jewish beyond belief. Either way, life isn't shitty enough for the plebs so we're not being told to eat fake meat yet. The population isn't stupid enough. Plans are going in after millenials die and zoomers die as well that will force all the shit at once. Gen Alpha has been molded by globalism.

>>57106418
from what i understand is he wants to buy 0dte options that are just otm with like 15 minutes to expiry and hope they go itm and immediately sell them, problem is that options get automatically excercissed if they expire itm and someone needs to pay all that money
if the underlying goes the wrong direction he loses the tiny amount of premium he paid for those options

>>57106444
that does not answer my question if eu style options get automatically excercised on expiry if they are in the money or not and just when they can be excercised, these are different things

>>57106419
Not until after the halvening and ETFs cause BTC supply to disappear from the exchanges.

>>57106480
shorties about to get blown out

Let's say, figuratively, when I make it and I have 100k, how would you invest it to get 17k a year? What would be the best way to allocate those 100k for that kind of return?

>>57106483
no clue

>>57106488
A bit dangerous becase of the possible downturn of the market come January

>>57106464
>Jews force me to eat goyslop

Dude just buy eggs, milk, beef and cheese. Cook your own meals. It's really not that complicated. Sorry you are fat, dumb and lazy.

>apple shills on SMG

>>57106493
>only 17k...

>>57106458
Based on:
>>57105997
>Theres got to be a way to do with without having $45000 for each spy call in your account.

Either way he's chasing rainbows.

>>57106384
good luck, anon. I think this year will provide a great opportunity to buy in at a great price
>>57106390
yes. it’s a shame youtube makes people do those gay extremist thumbnails and video titles to get any kind of algorithmic traction because most of the financial yters are more rational in their actual videos than they seem if you just scroll through their yt page.

>>57106483
>options get automatically excercissed if they expire itm and someone needs to pay all that money
My brokerage waits until the weekend to do that, so you have time to tell them you don't want them exercised.

>>57106506
Final deadline for first BTC ETFS are in January. They don't go active immediately after approval. There is some time lag. I will probably hold for at least a year.

>>57106493
15-25% bonds depending on interest rates, 10-20% gold rest in stocks simple as.

>>57106555
I got 100% in stocks, shill me gold and bonds

Let's say, figuratively, when I make it and I have 100k, how would you invest it to get 17k a year? What would be the best way to allocate those 100k for that kind of return?

>>57106528
Pretty good for me, bro.
>>57106555
I was thinking about t-bills maybe for 3 month exp date

>>57106562
you’re not going to get a 17% return.

>>57106511
That's a true Chad.

>>57106493
You're going to need a lot of live pigs and a particularly well-read ancient Roman.

>>57106555
Gold+Crypto should be less than 5%. Those are a hedge against tail risk and you lose a lot of money on them.
25% *treasuries* makes sense. Lots of bonds (especially the crazy high yielding regional bank bonds) are absolutely crap.

>>57106562

>>57106562
>Posted by baggie
Stop being a Bobo is the first thing you need to do, so basically impossible for you kek

>>57106581
I am easily live within my means with 17k a year

>>57106602
>babby doesn't know about inflation

>>57106456
I'm up 36% overall on MSFT, but yeah lately it's been like that

>>57106551
That's a pretty big bet, what if it crashes when etf comes on?

>>57106559
>I got 100% in stocks
Me too. bonds give you an option to take opportunity of stock corrections (short duration), and capital gains (long duration). Gold it goes up average of 8% per annum and if the system freezes up, or your bank is having issues you can still get cash.
>>57106570
Yeah you don't have to expose yourself to interest rate risk. I don't like government debt but it gives you the optionality, you can always buy a gold ETF instead of bonds if you think inflation is coming.

>>57106613
>He doesn't want to live simply with some eggs, milk and cheese, butter, bread and some meat thrown in while doing spiritual practice to exit samsara
Ngmi

>>57106619
What gold tho? As in the physical asset or gold stock?

>every news article is just wondering why the market hasn't dumped yet
Lmao

>>57106373
Probably too late to say this now, but the 'biggest' stock usually runs the hardest because smaller stocks are more likely to rug you. This is why studies of stockies find that pennystock gamblers are more likely to lose it all, while Nvidia30yoboomers or Tesla30yoboomers are more likely to get a multi-bagger.

>>57106585
Gold has a pretty good track record, so a 10% allocation seems fine. Debt in general is not attractive to me since the FED will have to restart QE at some point (I hope they don't but they will). But hey if you can time the peaks in interest rates then you'll probably do good with debt.

>>57106570
Bro I have more than on a couple occasions doubled my money along with other anons. These past 2 months alone had so many different opportunities to do it. I don't get how people can think 17% return for a whole year is good unless they are just super risk aversive.

>>57106647
If the fed restarts QE and you're holding debt you're getting paid directly by the "money printer." That's the best possible scenario.

should i buy arm? for long term?

>>57106640
You can get physical 10% and if you don't want to buy debt because you're scared of inflation buy a physical gold etf and treat it as cash sell it to buy stocks when you find bargains. But you always have to have some cash. Really it's more of a personal thing, find something you're comfortable with.

am i dum for buying this

https://coincodex.com/stock/AULT/price-prediction#:~:text=According%20to%20our%20current%20AULT,is%20showing%2039%20(Fear).

>>57106664
Wtf is this gay sheit?

>>57106664
Yes. 500 billion market cap potential, do the math yourself

>>57106643
Listening to news articles is what retards do. Doomer bull for the win. Melt up bitches!

>>57106651
Oh, I haven't made it yet though, my goal is to reach 100k then I'm basically set for the duration of my life. I worked a year and was only able to save 7500 dollars to invest, and I've been able to make GAINZ this past two months don't get me wrong.

>>57106658
Yeah, but you need to get out at the right time otherwise inflation will kill you even though on paper you're doing well, gold, commodities and equities will do better if QE is restarted and outperform bonds soon there after.

>>57106682
>shitcoin
no, you're a 300IQ genius

>>57106705
>Yeah, but you need to get out at the right time otherwise inflation will kill you even though on paper
That's the same with any security though.

>>57106712
>shitcoin
but its a stonk ;___;

>>57106666
I could be ale to get physical but the thing with physical is that it would be a huge pain to exchange it to debt dollars since I think only pawn shops do that?
What etf do you recommend?

>>57106703
Fair enough. My goal is to save up enough money to where I can live very comfortably off of divies and never work again. Basically my main goal is to blow up and act like I don't know nobody.

>>57106713
>That's the same with any security though.
I mean on a long enough timeframe sure.

>>57106735
I plan the same, but the thing with divvies is that it takes a lot more than 100k to get 17k yearly return... But I'm not so sure about that if one diversified biggly, like getting into ares capital, Enbridge, that one owl stock, Vici and o. Things like that, so I'd have to do the math

>>57106752
You need at least a million to make living off of divies worth it

>>57106730
>think only pawn shops do that?
I mean if you don't have a gold broker near you maybe lower the % on physical. You can buy a trust like PHYS.

>>57106770
Exactly. It ain't worth it in the long run

I have 400k an i have been delaying yoloing into mstr. I would be set by now to live off dividends fml. I will end up yoloing at the top. Tf do i do i have no income i needed this 3x. At 700 i need 1400 to 2x. I was goinbtibbjy ar 400 fodkfofkdf

>>57106682
+$0.03 (+32.60%)Past week

It may just fall flat now. do you see the graph.
I don't know anything about Ault but why would this go up.

Market Cap 7.76M
Enterprise Value 89.41M
that aint bad

In the last 12 months, Ault Alliance had revenue of $160.92 million and -$252.23 million in losses. Loss per share was -$236.29.
p/e is a myth so so people

Someone smarter can argue this or just get a suicide stack and hope in a decade you make money?

>>57106785
>PHYS
Odd ticker, it grows with the price of gold, right? But it will preserve the overall 100k in the long run without adding anything to it unless price in gold goes up every year? Sorry, I'm retarded

>>57106824
Just go into mara bro.

>>57106826
>Sorry, I'm retarded
Don't worry, we were all on the same page there.

I'm diversifying my portfolio into emerging markets. Would you recommend I look into India or Brazil?

I only leave the house once every four weeks (WFH multiple jobs). Every time I go out I'm reminded of how expensive things are. Bag of chips was 7.98, compared to 3.00 last time. It is ok, don't need it, got lentils instead. I don't think it is just me, a formerly well to do housewife and her questionably aged daughter said omg at the register about the things they were buying.

I'm convinced that the only way to win at the stock market is to imagine the most evil thing possible and take that side of the trade. I'd you have any hope of the common person ever getting ahead, or winning for once, don't take that side of the trade.

>>57106826
>it grows with the price of gold, right?
Yes.
>But it will preserve the overall 100k in the long run without adding anything to it unless price in gold goes up every year?
If the price stays flat you lose 0.41% for management of the trust and storage of the gold. If the price of gold goes down you money obviously and add the 0.41% management fee. If the price goes up you make money minus the 0.41% fee, and the trust can trade bellow NAV (net asset value) or at a premium to NAV depending on investor confidence and sentiment.
>Sorry, I'm retarded
Yes.

>>57106840
Heh

>>57106666
>>57106640
I just had a giganigga brainblast about gold. Goldboomers always tell you to buy physical/invest in gold mining companies because of that big climb in the 1970s.

But the 1970s climb came after the switch to fiat currency, so gold was likely climbing in value as a result of people hoarding gold out of fear. But in the 2020s there isn't the same idea of gold as a store of value, so that kind of shitcoin pump is impossible.

People are basically betting on a black swan (fiat currency 2.0) to pump the price of gold to 10k.

>>57106879
Wouldn't it be better to just put it all into voo?

>>57106618
I go down with the ship, like a true Captain.
It's all of the universe or nothing.

>>57106687
The alcohol wasn't estrogenic enough, so he added shredded plastic for it to soak in.

>>57106855
Start brain storming
>stocks of companies that buy homes
> government regulations may fuck this
>They wont. the government is owned by the corps so that's a plus with your theory

I do have calls for this
Spirit and Jetblue are trying to merge which would be the shittiest Airline ever I imagine. but the DOJ are trying to stop it but most think it'll pass

MARA Crypto mining garbage it seems. Like can someone explain how this isn't dogshit but it's crushing in the stocks

>>57106834
Too fucking pumped, also too many moving oarts on a nining stock. Mstr was it andnibfucjed up. Now tou are risjking bagholdingbhopin foe a 2x at best

>>57106894
>Wouldn't it be better to just put it all into voo?
I can't answer that question the market seems like a bubble to me but it could keep at it for years. You could be right I just don't know.
>>57106889
I think gold went up in the 70s because of inflation and it ended up entering a bubble.

speaking of cooking, i'm doing a crock pot stew for me and marina

love this girl!!

>>57106945
>I think gold went up in the 70s because of inflation and it ended up entering a bubble.
Yes. And inflation caused people to hoard gold, which was driven by fears that the new fiat currency would be worthless.

>Somehow the ultra-racist Marinaposter returned.

>>57106853
Argentina. First libertarian president

>>57106980
Yeah and high interest rates caused people to unload gold popping the bubble.

>mfw just saw randomly what bobo means in spanish
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/spanish-english/bobo

>>57106853
India is overvalued. Brazil is cheapish.

>>57107010
>fool
Spot on.

>>57106377
>MARA
Wwhere is rhe top

>>57105937
If everyone agrees not to sell anything we can just go up forever

>>57107033
>If everyone agrees not to sell anything we can just go up forever
Some people will just never learn from history...

>>57107028
Zoom out

>>57106488
But everyonec thinks this which means peoppee will try to frontrun eachother so ut will dump before also what if fed is lying on soft lanfing as always

>>57106945
Thanks for your input and explaining things for me. You're a true friend :')

>>57107028
60 bucks maybe?

>>57105937
Looking at the market it's been crabbing green on low volume for a week while being rejected just below XYZ. The logical inference is that when volume picks up again after the holidays it will be rejected and fall to a lower level of support and will be red for a few weeks, like last year.

>>57107058
Pleasure.

>>57107066
Okay but what if not?

>>57107074
Umm sweatie sometimes stocks go up and sometimes they go down, we will know when they go down because hte prices will be lower than they were last week, if not then the prices will be higher. This is Finance 101.

>>57107064
So much bagholding risk for a perfectly timmed 2x we missed the boat

>>57107072

>>57107102
Would be pretty good returns tho

I wish crypto shit was banned from /biz/ so it could be all finance and stock stuff not all shitted up by shitcoins scammers.
Though then it might become all /gme/ and /bbby/ shit.
>there is still a /gme/ general on /biz/

>>57105933
bouncy balloons

>>57107016
nice p10

It is so weird to see woke in the mainstream lexicon
I need someone to assassinate me I am stuck in forever 2014
Long BUD

>>57107156
I feel like the rest of the board being complete garbage insulates us from a lot of the reddit WSB stuff.

>>57107156
>there is still a bbby general on /biz/

>>57107156
you make too much sense to be here.

>>57107100
Maybe I'd believe you if you used complicated words and wore a suit.

>>57106362
Will RH still auto close positions on them at 330 pm or will I need to use a different broker as well?

>>57107165

The millenial journalist class is stuck in 2014 and 2016

I still see gamergate brought up occasionally
the culture war feels like a psychic war that goes on and on
this is probably the reason I love my buncun

Wheels Up up 40% today. I feel like I’m the only one on this board with it.

>>57107156
/biz/ was created to unshit up /g/ from the crypto garbage. There's only so much that banning can do, that's why /mlp/ exists.

>>57107288
at the very least add fucking IDs and country flags so faggots can see the traffic coming from bangalore. all the scams would end if the fucking pajeets could be seen

>>57107229
>>57107165
Lately I've been hearing people say they're stuck in 2014 mentally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGKNaIXtBZQ

>>57107322
They would just use mutt VPNs

>>57107337

yes, that is the song i was referencing

>>57107322
Late candidate for post of the year

told you guys the AI counter-signalling op has started, they're even paying /g/tards >>>/g/98116814

>>57107343
Pajeetscammers can't even afford toilets, what makes you think they have the rupees for a VPN?

>>57107360
so we should expect the fag 7 to continue to rally

>>57106664
is this what half a mil in saffron looks like

>>57107215
sauce on this retarded whore?

>>57107350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARzj2AblBWQ

Yes
But I first listened to that song in 2017.

>>57106664
If that is saffron that is like 500k of it. I had to buy some for a recipe a few weeks ago and like 16 strands were $8.

>>57106419
>MARA chads, when do we sell

When BTC hits $50K, expect a wider sell-off.

Going to start DCA into UPRO, $500 every month, and after 2.5 years take profits each month on the $500 (unless it's way down or even, then I'll leave it in for another 2.5 years). I'll do this for 10 years, then retire a millionaire.

>>57107281
No news? So it's just a squeeze gamble?

>>57106942
MARA gives better leverage over BTC than MSTR.

MSTR isn't that great either because Chad Saylor uses shareholder equity to raise money to buy more BTC. He dilutes you to stack more SATs.
Plus MSTR has long been a BTC proxy for many tradfi Boomers; I suspect with an ETF listing, Boomers will pull their money and go the direct spot ETF route as a means to get BTC exposure without the dilution risk.

MARA did a 70x last cycle, and has only 10x in 2023.
We've got a long way to go.

>>57107281
Did you make an anime girl jpg to shill it?
No?
Then I'm not even looking

>>57107156
SMGers are on average as financially illiterate and clueless as the average shitcoiner.

>>57107526

I'd like to think we know how to play options a little better and understand supply and demand than most.

>>57107281
lmao wtf is this

>>57107526
Some of us actually have PhD degrees in finance

>>57107526
that is just not true

>>57107519
Based.

>>57107537
>I'd like to think we know how to play options a little better and understand supply and demand than most.

Speculating on worthless paper contracts is literally tradfi shitcoinery.
And I will bet 99% of the niggers here don't know how to hedge dynamically with options or configure convergence trades etc.

I'm a Bitcoin Supremacist BTW, I own Bitcoin and Bitcoin miners like MARA (because I can't hold BTC directly in my bank accounts, YET).

>>57107575
yea

>>57107544
Retard CEO ran it into the ground by expanding at all costs. Big daddy Delta came in, bailed them out, and bought a controlling stake. Hopefully things are in the up and up now

To whoever shilled me SAVE calls, fuck you. I'm already down 15% and they expire in March. Probably gonna cut loses tomorrow.

>>57107575
Okay, why? Do you see it as a global reserve? Like everything is backed up by bitcoin that a single 5,000 IQ AI could find one (1) vulnerability on and liquidate?

>7 transactions per second
>8 billion people
>35 years for every human to get one (1) transaction

Seems like it can't work.

>oy vey, just use layer 2, 3, 4, 5 ...

Okay, if it's so abstracted by other layers its just going to get centralized again.

BTC was really cool when it came out and felt like some cyberpunk side currency you could use and buy. But now it's some mainstream ponzi scheme (from my point of view).

I'd like to like it but I can't.

If you went long on AMD with a conservative x10 leverage at October's dip you would have already ×20 your investement

>>57107639
I exited save today, had profits so just took them.

Alright, since Thursday and Friday don't matter: what's the deal for 2024?

>>57106619
>Gold it goes up average of 8% per annum
take your meds.
Gold still hasn't recovered to its 1980 price of $2650.
If retards listened to your advice in 1980 and bought it, 43 years later they would have lost money. take that in.

>>57106647
meds.

>>57107639
DOJ decision this month.
You know it's not the stock that's the play
It's the court case right?

Ways to feel comfy for the next few days? I’m drinking some beer right now. I don’t have anywhere to go. Playing video games is depressing when you’re 30.

MARA can we get much higher?

>>57106493
>100k
>making it
>expecting to earn 17%
>expecting to live on 17k/yr

where do i begin

>>57107689
Hol up is that a massive bear flag for when everything shits itself and people start selling their gold?

>>57107742
If you are down for reading some hot isekai chinese garbage I recommend the Experimental Log of the Crazy Lich from a webnovel aggregator
Warning, the author likes to wordcount fill and chapter pad with long lore spiels that can be uncalled for.

>>57107660
>Okay, why? Do you see it as a global reserve?

>Why?
Read the White Paper. It's money free of human corruption. The contained technology makes Bitcoin inevitable.
I see it replacing financialized gold as the first major milestone and assume the entire gold/silver MC ($15T) within 5 years. if you compare BTC and gold in the last 3 years, you can observe that gold is already being demonetized by Bitcoin.

Further out, Bitcoin will be used to underlie, secure and collateralize various debt instruments and start making inroads into the debt markets ($~500 Trillion MC).

Bitcoin is the best asset class in the world right now. Portable, secure, immutable, liquid with algorithmically hard-coded scarcity. There is no better asset.

China green when?

>>57107766
Until BTC hits $50K and stalls out, MARA will keep going.
Especially now that shorts are being liquidated. Could be anywhere between $36 and $50, no one really fucking know, but there are a ton of catalysts like FASB accounting rules coming into effect, December results conference call with record production, MARA becoming profitable in Q4 on top of spot ETF and generally risk on asset rally.

$50 not out of the question in early Jan.

>>57106770
Not really, 400k investment can give you 40k/year. Enough to retire in the third world, but even in the USA that is one free Camaro every year

>>57107387
kek

>>57107846
>Not really, 400k investment can give you 40k/year.

You trying to get the poor guy to buy Nigerian government debt or something? Lmao.

>>57107860
averaging 10% a year isn't entirely out of bounds

>>57107889
10% in a real-world +5% inflation rate environment is not worth tying up $400K over.

Look how much the dollar is losing against Bitcoin and other assets of enduring value. Inflation is MUCH higher than the fraudulent values they put out.
You need your investments to be spitting out at least 20% yield if you are going to park mid-six figure money in this economy.

>>57107860
Many, many half-decent stocks have a 9.5% dividend

>>57107922
remember that profitable companies will consistently increase their dividend yield

>>57107729
I hope it's this month. Besides on the decison something tells me it'll be a nothingburger and stock will only go up like 5%. am I wrong?

>JD Group announced that starting January 1, 2024, the annual fixed salary for frontline staff in JD's procurement and sales departments will increase by around 100%.

>Additionally, $JD Retail employees across the board will receive an average salary raise of over 20%.

Jing Dong Ping Pong bros... we'll never be able to cash out.

>>57107927
Those are dividend traps, sir. Please do not buy. Any stock with a yield over 5% will probably lose 80% over the next 5 years, except maybe some REITs.

>>57107825
<part 1>
>It's money free of human corruption.
You mean unlike fiat that can be printed I assume. Or do you mean it can't be fabricated?

I disagree with both. It was created by humans and has inherit characteristics created by humans like the rate it's mined or the fact that there is a limit. Is this good or bad? Either way, it's still configured by human corruption (meaning human greed or any negative aspects that humans have).

The claim bitcoin is secure isn't true, there have been countless tails of people being scammed out of bitcoin. And if you lose it (humans are very fallible) it can easily be gone forever. Bitcoin has had zero days found in the past. Anyone who has worked with software will tell you errors exist in it and IDK why we would base our entire economy on the fact that software works perfectly.

>liquid
Bitcoin is liquid as you can do large cash transfers for cheap. Is this good? Well if you have one (1) character wrong in the address you send to the $50 million you just sent is gone forever. Maybe do a small transaction first to be sure? Then wait and hour to be sure it's on the block chain? Then do again? Not exactly liquid.
It's also not liquid in the sense I could buy some several times a day. Bitcoin does 7 transactions per second. This is not a liquid asset if it's a currency.

>>57107825
>>57108024
<part 2>
>portable
I don't know what that means here. If I travel do I have to bring my brokerage account with me? What? I don't think this is a good point unless you can explain. You mean portable as a secure good? I can hold mutual funds or gold in my brokerage (sure not perfect but in an apocalypse situation nobody will have computers to run bitcoin if everything fails).

>algorithmically hard-coded scarcity
Again, pointless. I just took a picture of my dick with a frog drawn on it. There is only one of these, does it have value? This is Michael Saylor's point he always makes, "bitcoin has value because there can only be so much of it". Ok, if people want bitcoin and it has a limit it will be deflationary. But the fact something has scarcity isn't a good reason to invest in it. Mild inflation is generally considered good for a currency. If bitcoin doesn't do anything, only gains in value thinking people will want to pay more for it in the future, the scarcity is a positive in that it continues the ponzi scheme.

Just my thoughts.

>>57108019
Most of the stocks with yields over 5% have already lost like half their value, it is impossible for them to go lower and maintain the same dividend payouts

Give me a guaranteed 100x stock for tomorrow right NOW

>>57107119
gay

>>57108080
>RKLB
>UPRO (not a stock)

I had 800 mara. I got scared and sold at 7. I also bought caravan at 5 and got scared and sold. Fml

>>57108080
LLAP will probably shoot up to $2 when the Rivada payment comes in. Maybe higher. It's cooming soon.

>>57107983
I've been screaming at people that chinese stocks are asking to get cut. They call stock investors leaks in china, like the vegetable.

>>57108080
TMC 100x by 2026 or 0

Long UFO

>>57107979
It will go up to $30 and then probably swing around a bit as people get shook out and more people pile in. This week is the worst week for trading, no volume.

>>57107825
>>Bitcoin is the best asset class in the >>world right now. Portable, secure, >>immutable, liquid with algorithmically >>hard-coded scarcity. There is no better >>asset.
lol. this could be the greatest top signal ever

>>57106616
are all the women working at MS looking like your pic?

>>57108264
based. I listened to the board anons and bought at 0.98 ... some doubted me and said I should have waited for a second collapse and picked up at 0.70. those anons are still blue-balled and waiting

>>57108406

I have always wondered about how tattoo artist feel about having extra surface area to work with

Llap bros how much are you boys up? Currently up over 10k atm
>>57108264
Even if they don’t pay $lmt is a big shareholder in this company as well as having active contracts with them

>>57108424
enough space to write a book or do a new Sistine Chapel

>>57108428
What makes a man gamble the value of a car on a shitco?

>>57108468
when you make 400k the value of a car is not much...and no you don t need skill to make 400k so stop coping for being poor

>>57108406
Not all of them, no. Most of them are pajeetas named Pooja
But I used to know a stunningly hot white girl who worked at MSFT as a network engineer. I couldn't figure it out. As far as I could tell, she was actually competent too.

>>57108468
good question

>>57108482
I make 200k with plenty of room to grow. Doubtful you make 400k and if so, congrats. You're somehow in the top 1% of individual incomes while being a retard.

>>57108499
what happen in 2021? almost look like currency devaluation but i m sure not EVERYTHING got more expensive...only housing. right ?

>>57108513
>plenty of room to grow

>>57108516
everything but milk

>>57108420
Very nice!
I got in when it was $1.19 on one broker, and then another bag on the way up at $1.50 on my other.
And then the badness happened. But I believe in the company and was buying more at the .70 range and lowered my average to .98 on both brokers.
Pretty happy with my average and the current price. Best is yet to come!

>>57108428
THAT is a respectable bag :D
I don't have nearly that many shares so I'm only up $380 Canadian dollarydoos. Rough estimate. Probably a little bit more.

$PAnalos on Solana
PANALOS is a degenerate gambler with anger issues on the Analos market.

Let's see what the ape doing...
Seems like Panalos has a great idea! He will start a business at all time highs trading Analos... But isn't it too late already ?
That's what we are going to see.. , we never know what can happen...

Panalos has a lot of Analos and he wants to use Analos to dominate the financial markets

LFG go boys

https://panalos.com/

Was going to buy MARA at $15 but thought I'd missed it and then it pumped to $20. I still didn't buy in because I thought it was done and then it pumped to above $30. I'm ngmi am I?

>>57108386
So Mid January for a decision likely?

Another day. Of green, relaxation, and catching up on unread hentai manga. Take this one for instance; Dude down on his luck thinking about offing himself. Lost his job, lost his girlfriend that he wanted to marry. So yeah he's kinda depressed. He calls up a "service" company to cheer him up. Well he gets a two for one special. The daughter and the mother. Uh who both happen to be kinda the grim reaper. Only they don't kill you. They merely suck out your soul via draining your sperm. Course they don't tell him about that part of it. But hey it all works out. He manages to satisfy both of them so they give him a reprieve. He lives and they give him a job. He gets to fuck them both for life.

anyone know why this gay shit is happening

>>57107889
You can *expect* something closer to 8% nominally.
10% isn't out of bounds of course but it will be 10% both ways.
>>57108046
How much lower can it really go?

>>57108527
I think the thing that bothers me the most when I see these is the fucking laptop. What the fuck kind of work gets done on a laptop? Not even comfortable to type on.

>>57108527
techs going to plummet isn't it

>>57108658
I think they have some kind of baysian filter set up and it just happens to get triggered sometimes. I've never been a huge fan of those.

>>57108667
That webm is like 2 years old now

>>57108468
Short it then

>>57105873
Why is AMD up
>why is AMD up
why is AMD up
>why is AMD up

>>57108482
Why did they use a picture of a black woman? Article is written by a Viet.
>>57108614
No idea, I'm out of my position on Friday. It's been following a treand line that I drew over a month ago and posted here though, so I'm not too worried about it. Let me pull it up real quick and see where I have it closing Friday. Looks like a little over $17, but can be much higher than that, because after the last pullback on the 5th (same pattern) it was up 15-20% from the lows that day two days later.
So, low $16 +15-20%.

>>57108664
>I think the thing that bothers me the most when I see these is the fucking laptop. What the fuck kind of work gets done on a laptop? Not even comfortable to type on.
I work for the CIO of one of the largest tech companies in the world and we've mandated for years that all campuses use WiFi, and only dedicated tools or devices (like security shit) have a cable ran to it.

>>57108024
"You're both right."
Bitcoin is secure and free of corruption, the stuff built on it might not be.

Bitcoin seems way too volatile to me to be used as a reserve currency. I think the reason people moved to the pound/dollar from gold was to decouple trade from the volatility induced by changes in gold mining. The only way bitcoin could be widely adopted is if the US does something insanely stupid like yield curve control. I just don't think they're going to do that. They're not talking about doing it, they're talking about taxing all the US persons up the ass instead.

>>57108664
You put it in a dock and now you have all the advantages of a desktop.
You never do anything serious locally, everything gets done on a VM you ssh into.

>>57108699
hmm interesting

>>57108468
>the value of a car on a shitco
Maybe a used car. MSRP for a corolla is $21k.

>>57108713
>>57108712
Basically this, but we don't dock shit.
A big reason for it is dealing with the property owner and running cabling all over the place is a pain in the ass depending on the building, local ordinance/codes, the state, how the lease was drawn up, etc. I can have WAPs mounted literally anywhere, and most places (even with brick or literally bullet proof walls) have some sort of either drop space, open ceiling, or some kind of plenum to get shit in and out.

>>57108740
>>57108740
>>57108740
>>57108740

>>57108738
You still have to run cable to the WAPs but I guess that's a lot less intense than cabling every cube.

>>57108705
it will be much less volatile when the marketcap is 100x it’s current size, and it takes trillions of dollars to move it 1%.

>>57108765
Will it be less volatile than the dxy though? That's the determinant.

>>57108774
not dxy, us treasuries.

>>57108791
Treasury volatility is more like bitcoin block time volatility than it is volatility in the price.

>>57109080
us debt is the collateral that essentially “backs” the usd. hyperbitcoinization would be the process of btc replacing us debt as the asset everyone holds their money in.

Shill me a SPY LEAP strategy.