/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>57098870

what kind of IT work specifically? There's huge differences from one role to the next.

what i'll tell you is that my career in tech provided me a high enough income within a 5 year period that i basically set myself up for life. my 401k is fat enough that i have no worries about retirement even if i never touch it again, i have a huge HSA for medical expenses, i was able to save enough to buy my first property with a large down payment and a 2.8% rate, and i was able to afford dating high quality girls/met my current gf who will be mother of my kids

you dont need the job to last forever, you just need it to last long enough to set a foundation.

>>57098924
How much money are you making?
I do data analytics/ engineering in government and only make $75k wfh

I am lost as where I should go from here
Seems like everything requires you to be a giga brain or some sort of security clearance

>>57098943

I make 180k/yr at the moment working at a private company in a very similar role (lead data analyst). However, i'm in the middle of a massive role change that will take me to 275k/yr in my new position

my suggestion to you is as follows:

1. if you're technical (you use databases, SQL, etc) you are way undermarket at 75k. job search until you find a company willing to pay you 100-130k starting as a data analyst/business analyst.

2. work your ass off at new job, you need to impress your bosses in a short amount of time

3. aim to get promoted within 1 yr (2 at the latest) to a senior analyst/team lead. you want to specifically ask for oversight responsibilities over some team/product/region of your company. you should be able to get around 150k/yr in this new senior role

>>57098870
"who watches the watchmen"
machines will always need tard-wrangling, no matter how smart they get

>>57098981
Thanks bro

I do use SQL, Python, R and also JavaScript (I do some web dev on the side independently).

I will try to do that, I feel like hiring has dried up a bit. I’m just a bit frustrated and feel like I am sitting on my hands a bit

>>57099038

the job market is definitely tougher than it used to be, but the jobs are still out there. you need to make sure your resume/interview game are top notch since you cant afford to get filtered up front by HR roasties anymore

i'd avoid leading with the web dev stuff unless you find an opportunity at a really awesome company and even then you should only do it as a foot-in-the-door to another role at that company. coders (especially front end ones) are often treated like slave labor in my experience, and BAs/data analysts are an entire rung of the ladder above them

you may also want to look into AWS or Azure certifications if you wanna beef up your credentials/pivot into those products, but i dont think you need it. i think you just need to job hop into a company willing to pay you way more to do the same kind of work

>>57098981
>>57099072
Do you recommend data sci? I have a free reputable course that was gifted to me among other stuff like devops

>>57099088

Yes. If you google data sci job outlook you can find several sources indicating strong, upward demand for data scientists all the way to 2030 and beyond. this is a great time to get into the space, and landing a junior data analyst or junior BA role should be achieveable for most anons here with some online certifications/courses

also, personally, this is the route i chose and it worked out really well for me. like i said before im finally transitioning out of being on the engineering side into a 275k+/yr job and that's thanks to data sci

>>57099003
This. Tech related jobs will never become obsolete. Only min wage jobs are at risk because of how braindead easy it is. Its already happening, machines delivering shit and flipping patties. There are shops in Singapore without employees because nobody steals shit in Singapore except Indian students

>>57098870
Most jobs that AI will replace will only need people to maintain them. The rest will be culled

>>57098981
First one to get offshored when budgets get tight

>>57099154

offshoring is a risk for any technical role, but it depends greatly on what you do.

if your role at your company involves any amount of presentation skills/soft skills/collaborating with other resources internally your risk of being offshored is significantly lower. trust me, nobody wants to deal with jeets fumbling through demos or american CEO being unable to understand Rajesh explaining why data findings are significant to the business

soft skills and the ability to communicate/collaborate with others are what justify your expense to the company. even better if you can move into an oversight/leadership role, per my original reccomendations to anon

>>57099124
what certs/courses would you recommend for someone new to the data analyst field? will employers even look at you without any experience?

>>57098870
People happens to be so dumb that IT positions are not likely to be replaced by AIs.
Human contact/perspective is not something doable for a machine.
Thats why I like getting into research on places like Beoble rather than using trade bots or IDK.
Human exchange is basically the best course of action.

>>57099207

shit man i cant really say, i havent kept up with the course/cert game. i would not be applying places without any indiciation you know the world of data science, no

but you dont need a lot of experience, just enough that you arent filtered by HR roasties and enough to tell a few compelling stories over a phone interview. get whatever you can on your resume from courses/certs and see if theres anything whatsoever you can do that involves data, sql, or dbs at your current employer if you have one

>>57099180
This. I work as a Data Analyst with a company that recently offshored and the new team is shit. We've been in a state of perpetual training near 5 months and these fucking guys still can't do the role properly. The quality of work is not there in my experience

Depends.
>ML/Neural network engineers
Yeah.
>Cyber security, infosec, DevSecOps
Absolutely, especially with AIs opening new attack vectors
>Data engineers
Yeah
>Web dev & QA shitters
No lmao. That shit is getting automated in 5 years tops

Would you guys say that help desk is the way to start in IT? I'm stuck here for now it seems. Couldn't get anything better, since I the job markets been shit. Looking to leverage this experience, and get something good soon.

>>57100099
It's how a lot of people get their foot in the door. It's good for exposure to all sorts of incidents and also gives you room to grow a troubleshooting mindset. But it's easy to get stuck in it if you're just coasting. You have to get certifications if you're looking to job hop from there but if you want to (and can) grow in your current company the best thing you can do is try to get involved in projects and ask as many questions to learn more about your role and your team's roles. The whole of your focus should be to learn and grow with genuine interest. People notice, you stand out when you start taking ownership of your work and try to branch out, within reason.

t. started in help desk and now in cyber security

>>57098870
>>57098924
Can confirm. I've been a software engineer for the last 10 years but I've pivoted to management and I am now a VP of Engineering making about $320k total compensation. I wasn't always making this much money, but I've always had a stable job that was respectable, and grew in my roles by overachieving. Now I have a house, retirement, and a 8 out of 10 wife who sucks on my pecker every night. She has even given me some awesome kids.