/biz/ - Business & Finance

Great thread, actually important. First saw this video on it a couple months ago, then Ivor did a good one. Without just weights and measures, we live by the whims of these madmen. Get land, crypto, gold/silver, guns, food, water, and have a ton of children.
https://youtu.be/aV75JOpzx4g?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/QeP71CKRZNs?feature=shared

>>57001286
saw this posted on zerohedge too. planning to watch it tonight, so I’ll bump the thread so I can post my thoughts later.

>>57001776
maneco is an interesting guy but if he thinks gold will be immune from such a thing he is wrong. gold is gonna be $400-600 an oz by around 2035.

>>57001286
Good post OP. Ive watched this a couple times now and skimmed the book.
>Annoyingly he doesn't really give any solutions
I understand why he did this. Whatever he would recommend, people would probably do and the Cabal will likely target recommended positions/assets. Or his recommendations might be construed as advice and people could get burned or he might be accused of benefiting in some way as a way to discredit him or The Great Taking.

I think the idea is to read between the lines and try to have assets outside the system so when it does collapse the risk is mitigated, if thats even possible.

Farmland/homestead would be ideal but its so expensive and more of an operation. Plus they could just do a false flag chemical spill on your land or target your employment/income or raise your taxes so they can seize the property.

I don't know what the solution is. I'm just here like others trying to wargame this thing out.

>>57001286
>>57003079
watching now

The Great Taking book
https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/1ee786fb-3c78-4903-9701-d614892d09d6/taking-ebook-c044a5e.pdf

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>>57003100
Why or go fuck off

>>57004005
What is going on is dynamic. The only thing set in stone is the ending not how we get there. The ending is complete slavery so there really is no solution except to kill those that want to enslave everyone. Can't really go about waking up the masses with telling everyone the only solution is death.

>>57004888
to attack BRICS

the real insight here is that there is fine print in the entire financial system that all the stocks and bonds in the western world can, in an emergency, be used as collateral by the institutions that are supposed to simply be holding those assets for someone else (like you, with your 10 AAPL shares), and that in the event of a real collapse, you might wake up one day to find that those shares are just gone from your robinhood app. the more conspiracy-type stuff about how they’re actively planning to make this collapse happen on purpose so they can own everything seems like a stretch to me. I think it’s much more beneficial for the powers that be to simply remain on top of a corrupt system that bleeds the masses dry for them. this seems more like an emergency escape hatch rather than plan A for them.
what this video did convince me of more than ever is “not your keys, not your coins” and to not trust intermediaries or custodians any more than absolutely necessary. in the event I ever decide to own stock in a company long-term, I will (have to) go through the laborious process of getting the actual paper shares in my own hands (assuming that even that is enough to legally protect my ownership, I guess I would have to read the fine print). but I already was of the belief that if you want to own something long term it should be something you actually *have* not a promise from a (((financial institution))).
good video, idk about the doomer stuff, and the line about how we need a government because we need roads was cringe kek.

>>57004908
>The ending is complete slavery
I dont agree that outcome is set.
The bible says what happens to these people at the end. The sun is about ready to blow us a kiss so once the CME hits and the electricity goes off they'll lose their propaganda power but that could take years. In the meantime I'm thinking physical gold and silver (and lead) is generally the best availible alternative.

>>57005040
>assuming that even that is enough to legally protect my ownership
I've read some of the guys book but haven't watched the video, according to him direct possession of the stock will prevent it from getting stolen in the event.

>>57005040
The govt is trying to kill its citizens with an experimental bioweapon but you dont believe they would collapse the financial system in order to steal our assets and transition to a new CBDC social credit score system?

Cede and co owns almost all the stonks, 401ks are merely an entitlement claim

>>57005040
Heres my long winded skitzo collage its worth glancing over.

>>57001286
If you are in 6 figure hell you can move to an europoor country and live a decent life

>>57005297
they sit atop the financial system.

>>57003100
Based giga hyper turbo deflation. That 400 dollar chunk of gold will have a high purchasing power than a couple grand right now.

>>57001286
Gold wasn't seized, rather banned. And here is 1 reason (of many) why they banned ownership of gold.

>>57005458
idgi what’s being described in that pic

>>57005426
Huh? Who are saying is not going to crash the system?

>>57003100
>gold is gonna be $400-600 an oz by around 2035
I would love to hear the analysis behind this.

>>57005464
>1933 exchange rates improve for Germany
>2.5 marks to a dollar, formerly 4 marks to a dollar
>exchange 1/2 silver coin (5 reichsmarks) for 2 oz of silver (2 dollars)
>he got 4 pieces of silver from 1 piece by redeeming dollars for silver then melting them back into reichs
>repeat
There was a large price difference between silver in Germany and silver in the usa, AH merely short squeezed the federal reserve who had been printing more than they had backing it up.
Also if u have any recommendations to make it clearer in the meme thatd help too, im open to criticisms 2make better memes.
Pic related: price of a coin here and in Switzerland

>>57005464
Ive been trying to boil the meme down to extract the most important info, the main thing to take from this is that when the money changers get expelled, good things happen.

>>57004927
So... paper gold, which is the main asset of the foreign gold depositories: stacks of IOU slips

>>57004927
And rocks... beware of anyone who calls the metals, "rocks"

>>57005040
Also, all of crypto is compromised. Network-wise the data is going down the same data paths.

Alright I was going to hate on this because it sounds like a dumb theory, but I’m watching the video and I actually kind of like Dave here and he seems smart and keyed in. I’ll finish it, thanks OP

I’m getting a finance geek boner at this video actually, this is possibly the best explanation of 2008 I have seen yet. He’s accurately explaining how buy side credit default swaps infiltrated corporate cash.

The only thing he’s wrong on is that banks weren’t “eating their own cooking”, wallstreet were buying the synthetic CDO’s and then sticking them into money market funds and selling them to Main Street.

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>>57004665
Big red flag is the word
>will

>>57005040
Yea who's going to enforce the taking of assets? The judge and the cop who just lost everything they owned to this obvioud theft?

>>57005756
If it is not physically in your hand, you do not own it. Virtual objects get taken with keystrokes.

>>57005706
so what your saying is we have until next year for the crash to happen

>>57005803
Could be about 1/26th of a year

>>57005774
Read the images from the book. This includes physical assets financed by debt.

>>57005347
>cede and company
>cede
>as in, give over your stocks
They're so blatant.

Holy shit, him connecting the pooled nature of securities ownership in the US directly to the ownership of the CCP’s is mind blowing actually. I didn’t even realize that but he’s right, essentially if I’m understanding him right, if some credit contagion happens again then a US clearing house for cleared CDS like ICE US could just repossess all the short contracts to “stabilize” the system.

I’m obviously missing a key piece I think as commie style commandeering of profits seems too blatant, probably some interaction between the underlying the contacts I’m missing. maybe they’ll do a bail in on the assets, like the CCP will just replace your MTM with some sort of equity?

>>57005819
Dang based autistic word analyst
>fidelity
>money infidelity
>infidelity
>>57005818
U even said it, how would they enforce physical confiscation?
In th ussr they had 5 hyperinflation events, 1 per generation so that they could not build wealth for their children to inherit. They kept having to add zeros to the bills, then cancel them then claim only 1/10th value. The jewsdid terrible things to russia

>>57005729
what do you mean by red flag?

>>57005774
gov can and has taken whatever it wants, physical or virtual

>>57001286
This is a similar point to one Ive raised in /pmg/ several times.

Assume a total currency collapse, followed by a mass revaluation and transition to a new (digital) currency. A CBDC. Now, anyone holding hard assets (land, gold being 2 examples) will likely do well, assuming they can keep hold of these assets.

However, there is a faction of goldbugs that think they can lever up on this trade even further by taking on debt. Now, fiat disappears, that debt disappears, right? Wrong. The debt gets revalued in new currency, and do you think you will get any say in that exchange rate? Absolutely not. You will be (somewhat rightfully) lumped in as a carpetbagger, a profiteer, a pariah. You will be punished. The debt will stay and your assets will go away.

The correct response to a corrupt system is not to short it, its to not engage with it entirely. You cant cheat the devil

Alright about minute 45-ish he’s lost me now. The point of CCP’s is to ensure counterparty risk, agin if I’m understanding correct he is proclaiming that the most likely way this happens is the CCP will be able to claim ownership of the assets of non-defaulting firms held under their umbrellas when a firm under their umbrella does default.

This is not very likely I think if for the simple reason the government is already not averse to socializing losses, there is very few reasons to capture the assets of a handful of firms over simply funneling money to the CCP to cover the losses of the defaulting firm.

Probably the biggest reason I can think of for capturing the assets is if they are assets posted by foreign firms to cover domestic losses, I.E. the US banking system is imploding so it captures all the European assets on its books to bail them out. That doesn’t seem to jive with the globalization narrative though and would obviously cause issues with Europe.

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>>57004005
>samefag
buy an ad you peice of shit

>>57006142
uh oh that you Christine?

He's terribly idealistic in believing that taking this to the highest levels will result in anything more than backroom deals with those entities. The rest of us will be fucked regardless.

>>57006132
>the CCP will be able to claim ownership of the assets of non-defaulting firms held under their umbrellas when a firm under their umbrella does default.
no, when THEY default, the CCP, they can use the assets they hold on behalf of their depositors as collateral for themselves to borrow money.
>This is not very likely I think if for the simple reason the government is already not averse to socializing losses
this IS socializing the loss. you lose your AAPL shares because JPMorgan needs them to keep itself afloat.
>>57006142
pic related

>>57005756
You really need to watch the documentary, they address this. The system has already been set up up to sweep up the assets digitally.

>>57006132
I’ll stop autism posting soon, but something to consider as well with the “foreign assets” is that those countries can just default on the underlying as well. If you take control of a Chinese equity, there’s no reason they couldn’t just not honor the shares.

Foreign assets could be any assets that the CCP wants. I guess this does play into the thesis that you can take the populations assets for control, but to bring this back around to the main point the “population” can just not honor their obligations to the assets.

This means essentially the best way to utilize this system, if you’re postulating that the CCP exists to take assets from sovereigns and distribute them upwards, is to use the assets for your own aims without people realizing, and only when you can no longer uphold the charade logically is it ideal to “take control” of the assets and redistribute the ownership.

So long story short, my big take away from this video is that initial margin and VM posted to the CCP’s is somehow transformed to enrich the banks. Logically given financiers are a one trick pony, I’ll bet there’s logically some way they are allowed to leverage “excess” collateral against the spread charged on positions, so that way a JP Morgan has to post less IM/receives more ideal spreads on their trades if certain requirements are met, and that this is little known/not known/hidden somehow and somewhere.

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>>57006251
oops forgot pic
>Uploading files in incognito mode is not allowed.
REE

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>>57006266
>no, when THEY default, the CCP, they can use the assets they hold on behalf of their depositors as collateral for themselves to borrow money.
The CCP itself does not hold assets, it novates a trade between counterpartys. A CCP defaulting at a granular level would look like one counterparty defaulting eclipsing the ability of the CCP to pay its constituents novated to the corresponding trade. This would only happen if a party defaults to a larger notional value then the collateral posted thus could not cover the majority of the loss, and this amount is big enough to cause the CCP themselves to default on their obligations to the corresponding trade.

>this IS socializing the loss. you lose your AAPL shares because JPMorgan needs them to keep itself afloat.
It’s socializing the loss of Broker A’s obligations to Broker B by taking assets from broker B. This is limited, bailouts take taxpayer money from everybody and give it to broker A, true socialization of losses,

>>57006298
Ok small correction, the CCP does hold assets, it’s “supposed” to hold them in a delta neutral position by only acting as the novating agent between actors in the market. So while it does hold Broker A’s long CDS, it also holds Broker B’s short CDS that was traded by the brokers in the market.

I believe there’s specific risk parameters they’re held to by the BIS and others that allows them certain risk parameters to hold only one side of a position if certain parameters are met so the risk evens out across all the counterparties. Couldn’t tell you what parameters those are or if that’s just a hallucination of mine I thought I read in a BIS release, but I think they can do that in some scenarios.

>>57006017
Correct, however the physical one is much more difficult to confiscate that was my point fren.

>>57006340
i see your point, just feels helpless because they eventually can. but yeah i have to remember it will take more resources(military) for them to take my land vs. my online bank(couple of button clicks).

>>57006383
Never lose faith. Never be demoralized. Never give up fren. You are special, you do matter, you are important, God loves you!

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>>57006449
I'm feeling it too fren. We r so back

>>57001286
Isn't this a bagstop thing?

>>57006505
Almost yes

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>>57006557
Kek'd

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>>57006383
Do you have cool neighbors who understand or could learn/accept what is about to happen?

>>57001286
Watched the documentary, the solution is to own assets that are directly in your name and not as a beneficiary. Pretty much the issue is all securities are held through custodians like Fidelity, with you as the beneficiary and the true ownership directly under the DTCC's name, Cede & Co.

But like the GME bros discovered, it's possible to get your stock directly under your name and out of the fake and gay main street name by means of DRSing your stock.

Now when the scenario the author of the book says, when the custodian fails and secured creditors get all of the custodian's customer assets and customer's are shit out of luck, you are to my understanding, immune to this situation as you are not a beneficiary but direct owner. A custodian failing does not jeopardize shares directly in your name.

>>57005557
BUY AN AD

>>57006505
Yeah they discovered what the author is talking about back in 2021. Get stocks out of main street and directly under your name by DRSing your stock.

When GameStop MOASSes and a bunch of custodians and banks fail, all that will be left is a bunch of rich retards and extremely pissed off and maybe violent customers of custodians and banks.

This is the Great Reset (for the better imo, klaus and friends won't win)

>>57006325

I’m a derivatives lawyer for a major financial institution. CCPs will receive direct Fed liquidity in a crisis of sufficient magnitude that implicates them.

Re-fucking-lax

>>57006636
109%

>>57006252
You can sweep up the ownership of a house, but actually forcing people out of their homes... think about the logistics. Will judged, cops and the military be immune and corrupt enough to help enforce all this?
>>57005996
It sounds like the pushing of a narrative. Beware anyone emplying the language of certainty.

>>57003100
This would happen if 1/3rd of the cash in circulation is no longer legal tender.

>>57006636
You beat illuminati. They were not prepared for this contingency.

>>57006728
>Will judged, cops and the military be immune and corrupt enough to help enforce all this?
I dont think it would be a problem but for the sake of argument...look how many people they have under their control right now. Judges, cops, military officers, etc. All traitors.

>It sounds like the pushing of a narrative.
Actually it sounds like he's giving a friendly warning.

Did you even watch the documentary?

>>57006668
I agree, that’s fundamentally what I said. This scenario described in the YouTube video is not likely as you can just push cash into a CCP for the same effect without having to take ownership of non-defaulting asset holders

>>57006665
DRS a stock where the company holds its reserves in a bank and money market funds that can be confiscated will save you? Ok bro, sure thing, that shits definitely not worth zero if CCP’s start seizing assets

What a dumbfuck. Gold confiscation was about monetary expansion, they don't need to confiscate shit to debase more. This is more of the "2 weeks" psyop that's been going on since at least the 90s, designed to distract you from the present and ongoing ramifications of monetary expansion by focusing your attention on a hypothetical future doom, there is no end game, it's not a future rugging, it's a continuous rugging that's been going on since 1913 and accelerated in '71

>>57006854
Based. End times fantasies and doomsday obsessions have rotted so many minds.

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>>57006883
ngmi

>>57006809
The cop whos house and bank account and retirement was stolen via bureaucratic fuckery will evict you and his colleagues and the judge ordering his own eviction?

>>57006886
We are the cells of the superorganism Economy, stop getting distracted by a trifling memetic parasitic running on the diseased slaveminds of other cells, we control the horizontal, we control the vertical, always have, always will.

>>57006935
Might be the dumbest post I've seen in a long while.

>>57006930
I would imagine they have some sort of continuity plan. But if you are feeling cocksure then don't sweat it I'm sure you outsmarted them.

>>57006963
Maybe the point isn't to just take it all in one go but to build and normalize the threat of it as the basis for technocratic control and social credit enforcement?

>>57001286

The thing is that yes this is possible, but what comes after they do this? Just straight up rob hundreds of millions of people of their life savings so that the richest dickheads in the world who already own 90% of everything can now own 99.9% of everything? Oh what, you'll give them a pittance of UBI and expect them to be pacified by that?

Making it so people are furious and literally have nothing to lose sounds like the best possible way to kick off a head-choppy-style revolution. It sounds like a stupid fucking idiot plan for absolute mongoloid retards. If I'm the Rothschilds or whoever, bailing out a fucked system via printing is vastly preferable for me because I can just buy a lot of stuff that will appreciate, actually I can even come out ahead. I simply have to position correctly in advance (i.e. dump bonds buy commodities).

I think these laws are in place as part of the elite's general tendency to pre-emptively change every rule to be in their favor, but not as a real plan for imminent mass theft. It really would be lunacy to think they will just casually walk away with everybody's shit when there are more rifles than people in this country, and it's simply not a necessary or optimal play for them at all.

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have sex incel

>>57007036
Read my post here, if you’re interested
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It only makes sense to pull such a play, asset restructuring, once the money is already gone. The question for me is, do the CCP’s actually present some form of asset transformation, I.e. allowing corrupt bankers to get their hands on collateral that would otherwise not be posted, or are the CCP’s really as innocuous as just ensuring a stable market functioning and collateral posting because the people taking the countertrades to the foreign entities really are the “scam” still all along, I.E. sell side banks will win no matter what and will collect the collateral through growth alone so no games with CCP’s collateral are needed since our banks have better data/businesses/ect.

>>57006854
True, nothing ever happens. Contraction is a tool to take ownership over debtors and inflation is a tool to buy more than anyone else. There’s no death spiral as long as someone can open the toolbox still

>>57005803
q1 2024, us zoomers are fucked (mostly)
>>57005706
noted

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>>57005706
>It's the top
retard

>>57007276
>its the top haha youre retarded
>posts the benner chart showing its at the top rn

>>57007041
You seem jewish

>>57001286
>don't have debt
debtmaxxing is literally the way

>>57007430
What if i have a 401k loan, which is paid back to myself kek

>>57001286
Hold BTC offline in cold storage and run your own node.

My story with chainlink begins in 2004. Someone told me something on a phone dating Chatline. I feel God will show me a sign when it's time to share my story.

>>57007453
>thread about intangible assets being swindled
>guys i need my exit liquidity

>>57006850
Can't confiscate from T bills.

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>>57005511
there is very little documented about this
where do i find more information about how hitler exchanged reichmark for dollars and robbed the us of silver.

Here is the secret part that the author is missing (The Great Taking is an amazing read btw). Asset tokenization.

Why do you think tokenization of reap world assets is being pushed by BlackRock etc? The definition of Financial Instrument is very shady and could be applied to assets you have that you have tokenized, are leveraging against, etc.

EVERYTHING will roll up, not just securities.

>>57001286
bump

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/intentional-destruction-first-covid-now-comes-great-taking

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The Great Taking describes the roadmap to collapse the system, suppress the people, and seize all your assets. And it includes the receipts.

Webb’s book illustrates, among other things, how changes in the Uniform Commercial Code converted asset ownership into a security entitlement. The “entitlement” designation made personal property a mere contractual claim. The “entitled” person is a “beneficial” owner, but not the legal one.

In the event a financial institution is insolvent, the legal owner is the “entity that controls the security with a security interest.” In essence, client assets belong to the banks. But it’s much worse than that. This isn’t simply a matter of losing your cash to a bank bail-in. The entire financial system has been wired for a controlled demolition.
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Once more, the BIS:

…to mutualise potential default losses in excess of IM, CCPs also require their members to contribute to a default fund (DF). As a result, CCPs are in command of large pools of liquid assets.

That “large pool of liquid assets” is the full universe of traded securities.

In a market collapse, the stocks and bonds you think you own will be sucked into the default fund (DF) as additional collateral for the evaporating value of the derivatives complex. This is “The Great Taking”.
''''

>>57001286
Another way they've been pushing this agenda is to make ppl convert more of their wealth (literally anything, property deeds, contracts, receipts, gold, cash, etc.) into a digital format. The idea is that once everything is digital all they have to do is engineer some cyber crisis, blame it on hackers or whatever, and delete everything you own. From that moment on even the house that you live in will not be yours because you'll have no proof of it.
Daily reminder that everything digital is just magnetic or electric charges that can be easily zeroed at the push of a button.

>>57001286
So this is essentially a bail in, right?

>>57005756
>Yea who's going to enforce the taking of assets?
The same leftist whores who enforced the vaccine.

>The judge and the cop who just lost everything they owned to this obvioud theft?
It's not obvious to them anon, just like the real reason behind the Plandemic wasn't obvious.

>>57008614
>The same leftist whores who enforced the vaccine.
At least in the US that didn't really work and now everyone is very aware of them.

>>57008555
It's a LOT more than that.

>>57004005
There definitely isn’t a political solution.

>>57005040
That’s exactly what happened to my RSX shares. Just gone. No recourse. No compensation. Bupkis. Thanks Charlie Schwab. Just sanctioned into nothingness.

>>57008555
No, because theoretically with a bail in you end up with an equivalent amount of money as you had, just in the form of equity. What he’s proposing here is the CCP just provides haircuts to the other side of the trades/from all clients pro rata.

>>57007514
>there is very little documented about this
>where do i find more information about how hitler exchanged reichmark for dollars and robbed the us of silver.

>>57004908
In due time. The cabal is in for a rude awakening.

>>57001286
I read the article and watched the documentary yesterday morning.
Made me shit myself a bit he has receipts for literally everything.
Bitcoin is the only thing they can't take from you.
Truly not your keys not your coins.

I hold most of my portfolio in bitcoin mining stocks that outperform btc.
I will have to move a lot into personally stored btc which I'm not excited about.
Hopefully they will just go turbo inflation rather than pulling another Leeman.

>>57001286
glowie nonsense

>>57006103
They can try to enforce the debt while I sail away with my bitcoin

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>>57005774
This sounds like ridiculous schizo theory. Only nationalisation of the company you own shares in would deprive you of ownership and that would only happen in a Communist America/Canada, and if that happens we have bigger problems to worry about than our next pay check.

Even when Nasser in Egypt nationalised the Suez Canal he paid all stockholders market price at the market close the day before the announcement.

>>57010616
It’s already happened. what the video is saying is the same reason that Lehman Prime Brokerage clients had their Lehman custodied assets frozen and sometimes completely taken due to the Lehman collapse, is due to fundamental legal changes that give CCP’s the same right to freeze and collect assets of clients under their umbrella.

>>57010701
> clients had custodied assets sometimes completely taken
maybe mutual funds or ETFs, there is no way in hell they seized direct stock in corporations

I hope they seize everyone's mutual funds and ETFs they're just scams for lazy grifters on both sides

>>57010712
Yes equities were seized too if they were pledged to Lehman PB in order to leverage them, that’s the nature of a Prime Brokerage and the nature of counterparty risk on margin debt. Read up on Lehman, the fundamental basis of the video is that the same legal proceedings Lehman used apply to CCP’s, which is a much bigger market of counterparty risk

https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/lehman-hedge-fund-clients-left-cold-as-assets-frozen/articleshow/3551534.cms

>>57005479
i dont really have own, it’s just a sense . i am not buying gold . theres something better to invest in and it isnt an easily purchasble asset, yeah bitcoin is good and probably some types of land, but there arent any good deals, it is just wealth storage. invest in “technology” (i know how cringe and gay that sounds) and services. by that i mean find an inefficiency, need, and exploit it. that is the only thing that will carry over the gap to the post NWO transition. buying and selling stocks and cryptos and other assets like that is just a way to wring liquidity from the market to support your endeavour

>>57010763
exactly as I thought. No one seized people's stock in corporations, instead if you invested in a Lehman middleman product you got fucked.
Your link is some narrow edge case where client consented to the leverage. Normal stockholders who simply buy corporate stocks on the stock market will always retain that equity, short of a Communist nationalisation.

>>57010776
Big if true, ETFs are for faggots
Checking these links myself to dyor

>>57008526
bitcoin fixes this

>>57010814
Thats incorrect, that’s not a middleman product, if a hedge fund were to buy direct shares of a corporation with Lehman PB as the broker and custodian and were in the money, Lehman could take the shares and the MTM gains for themselves when they went under, and they did do that. That’s an unleveraged trade.

The same way this can happen, you holding an equity with no leverage in your account, and if the broker fails they can freeze your account and take the shares for their own ends.

This isn’t a conspiracy, this did happen in 2008 and was fundamentally one of the reasons completely safe assets were showing huge risk signals.

Also “margin debt” is not an edge case, margin debt is how the real world functions.

>>57001286
The idea that anyone takes anything bankers do as being done in good faith and not as a great taking in waiting is quite dispiriting to this average American. That's the name of the game and they coat it in shit e.g. politics, and everyone argues about trannies instead of bankers. Trannies cut off their own dicks while bankers metaphorically cut off yours. I know who I'm giving a beating to.

>>57005458
Gold was seized in 1933 USA, banks were closed for a week. The government took (stole) all the deposited gold and left worthless pieces of paper for the defrauded depositors. Americans were also ordered, tricked, shamed into voluntarily bringing in their gold to the government.

Many banks failed and the depositors lost everything in the meantime. Stocks crashed at this time also.

>>57005495
based arbitrage exploitoor

>>57009092
There are no political solutions because politics is a memetic parasite that never fixes anything. There are only technical/economic solutions, and BTC is just that, a technical fix for the political corruption of Money

>>57010920
>The same way this can happen, you holding an equity with no leverage in your account, and if the broker fails they can freeze your account and take the shares for their own ends.
I just find this hard to believe. The one example you shared was a guy who lent his shares to Lehmann for leverage

>>57006636
https://www.drsgme.org/drs/direct-register-shares-from-charles-schwab
what like this?

why is there a sentiment here that BTC cannot be taken from you? that seems retarded to believe.

>>57012080
Yes

>>57011978
You find it hard to believe but that’s how it works.

>The one example you shared was a guy who lent his shares to Lehmann for leverage
When you buy or sell equities through a PB, they are implicitly leveraged. Look up agency security lending.

banks have about 10% tier 1 capital on hand and even less cash, and you think leveraged equities are an edge case. You need to readjust your view of the market, fractional asset lending and collateral liquidity stripping have been the market meta for at least 3 decades now. Brokers mark you as having beneficial ownership of an asset and then just take your money and buy whatever they want to hedge themselves against any gains you may make.

https://hedgelegal.com/pb-negotiation-part-2-protecting-against-prime-broker-failure-12-years-after-lehman/

>>57001286
Good book. Wish physical could ship faster, I'd buy 20 and hand them out for Christmas.
It's not totally nihilistic either, his proposition is to track down the fuckers who take everything and deal with them.

>>57007557

Not gold coins in your hand

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>>57001286
He is offering solutions. He said to sell your house. Then he said to hold real things. Ummm pick one retard

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>>57001286
Based

>>57007514
it didn't happen

He said that even if you buy a car in cash they will still take it away. Does that make sense? Sounds like bullshit

>>57016130
kek

>>57005040
>actual paper shares
Do they even exist?

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>>57016180
>>57012080

>>57016205
Wtf, didn't knew that. Kinda cool.
My instincts are telling me to do this and collect all the paper shares for shits and giggles.

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>>57010616
>that would only happen in a Communist America/Canada

Have you checked the political landscape in the US/EU lately. We're not that far away from communism; middle class is getting exterminated, leftists and their pet niggers are torching cities, the police arest you for literally anything, mountains of wellfare, etc..

>>57005547
>Network-wise the data is going down the same data paths.
what do you mean with this?
doesn't matter what data paths are taken, a tx sign is encrypted.

>>57016865
who do you think (((invented))) it?

its all about time frames and most people only think in terms of weeks or months. most people cannot comprehend planning for years or decades, and certainly not centuries or generations

>>57016886
ok? Even if they invented it they also need encryption that cannot be broken by hackers
If they are omnipotent there's no point to worrying at all, they aren't though or they would just get it over with already
you sound pretty demoralised tho which is certainly one of their weapons

>>57012446
>Brokers mark you as having beneficial ownership of an asset and then just take your money and buy whatever they want to hedge themselves against any gains you may make.

I'd like to add that the system is specifically designed this way. If you want to make a move in the market you are forced by law to use a middle man and the law gives him rights over your dealings through him that he normally shouldn't have. It's all on purpose.

>>57005347
> Cede (verb) means to give up territory
Talk about the kikes ability to hide in plain sight

>>57016897
you gonna be in for a rude awakening friend

https://supraoracles.com/academy/the-nsa-and-bitcoin-origins-of-the-sha-256-hashing-algorithm/

enjoy your bitcoins. i chose xrp and icp... but i also have fat silver and gold, no debt, a years worth of food plus blue collar tools and while collar skills

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>>57016928
Sneed's Cede and Greed.

and not a single shitmerican will shoot them over this, just like they didn't do during the great depression
don't even larp, you know I'm right

>>57001286
yeap, 1913 is repeating

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>57016130
> t. IQ of 33

>57017011
NO.
also Bumping again

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>>57005511
Leave out the racist stuff. I want to show my retarded dad but he, like many, are afraid of being called racist bc they dont realize how theyve been fucked by the tribe. Ability to use those words comes after you realize how little you have left to lose.

>>57005774
The GameStop investors have been working directly register the stock in their own names. Do you think digital directly registered book shares have the potential to be fucked with too?

>>57017570
>he, like many, are afraid of being called racist
You're going to have to open their eyes to the other side having racial consciousness first.
You can't skip that process, you'll alienate your family. You'd be better off stockpiling water + canned food and supplying them when they fail than arguing something that is contrary to the core of their indoctrination without first disabling the obvious safety: that what they are defending upholds the values imprinted upon them.

They've been humiliated by society, but also kept alive by it.
I'm sure you care about your retarded old man. But he's going to be like a beaten woman: they'll stay with what keeps them in line because of the subconscious knowledge that's how they've stayed alive and lived as well as they have.

>>57001286
>watch my 2 hour shockumentary

yeah but instead u can just call your broker to send you the paper stock certifcates and burry them in your backyard along with your gold while memorizing your crypto keys
see, problem solved

>>57017956
Not if they delete you from the system.

Very related.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/we-dont-need-fix-fdic-we-need-genuinely-safe-bank

'''
Need for a Genuine Safekeeping Bank
A genuine safekeeping bank is one that takes deposits and parks the entire amount in short-term treasuries. It make no loans and there is never any risk.

Deposits would earn a fluctuating interest rate that is the Fed’s overnight rate minus a safekeeping fee that allows the safe bank to pay its bills.

There is no need for FDIC because there is no risk. Under this proposal, banks cannot borrow short and lend long. Nor can they speculate on future interest rates.

...

Q: Why Don’t We Have a Safekeeping Bank?
A: That’s easy. The Fed doesn’t want one.

Peter Schiff created one and the Fed forced Schiff out. Caitlin Long, CEO and founder of Custodia Bank, wants to create one and the Fed said no.

See the Fed press release: Federal Reserve Board announces denial of application by Custodia Bank, Inc. to become a member of the Federal Reserve System

The Fed does not want competition because it wants to eventually force you at some later date into using its own allegedly safe Central Bank Digital currency.
'''

>>57018047
'''
Irony of the Day Addendum – Legalized Fraud
Silicon Valley Bank, Signature Bank, and First Republic Bank failed due to classic runs on the bank. The banks took customer deposits and speculated on long-term interest rates. When the Fed hiked rates more than expected, bank losses mounted, the banks became insolvent, and customers pulled deposits.

This is a classic example of a duration mismatch scheme that I consider legalized fraud. Money that was supposed to be available on demand was not available on demand.

One cannot legally lease an apartment to two different parties at the same time. Anyone who tried would be quickly arrested. This is in essence what these banks did by investing for years money supposedly available on demand.

Because Custodia Bank does not make loans and because it holds deposits in short term treasuries, a run on Custodia Bank would not cause the bank to fail.

The big irony is the Fed refused to grant FDIC to a bank operating on the safest possible policies but fails to monitor massive speculation (arguably outright fraud) on banks right under its nose.

FDIC did not save foreign depositors at SVB who lost all their money.
'''

>>57001286
>Some former hedge fund guy has a theory
It's not a theory when it has been proven in the European court. Read the court case here.

>>57007557
He didn't miss anything, he says they will take everything in the 1st page of his book. >>57004665

>>57012080
I understand the direct register idea but if the great taking happens wouldn't alot of companies go broke through no fault of their own? I mean if everyones assets get taken how would a video game retailer fare?

>global gdp is about 100T$
>global debt is about 100T$

Are normies not curious why (((banks))) are allowed to create money out of nothing until debt reaches global gdp levels?

>>57018988
Checked, but that's a stupid question. Have you ever met a normie? Their only concern is how their favorite nigger played in the goyball game last night. Or how well their favorite clown will dance on the prime time TV slop tonight.

>>57006728
>but actually forcing people out of their homes... think about the logistics. Will judged, cops and the military be immune and corrupt enough to help enforce all this?

Yes lmao, have you been asleep the past 5 years?

Bumping. I’m still trying to read through a lot of documents to figure out exactly what a CCP’s custodial requirements and lending limitations are for collateral they take in. So far the biggest one is that the CFTC requires it to be unencumbered and not rehypothecated

>>57019202
What about ppl working in finance? Are they just as retarded as those in the medical field?

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>>57022454
Yes, in a way. Most traders I've known are very high iq, but also normies when it comes to daily life. They keep their heads deep in the sand (markets in their case) and ignore society at large. Most other professionals in finance are utter retards. I've met some smart investment bankers in fixed income, but again they're completely consumed by their jobs.

>>57022454
Pretty sure only central bankers, and related professions like experts in monetary economics, are aware of the current situation.

>>57022454
Most go through academic institutions that fill their brain with economic courses that indoctrinate them into thinking keynesian economics and MMT is good, they actively defend it, just print money lmao

Bump.

Thanks for recoing the book yesterday.
Half way through.
Very based book.
I realized that the author is a distant relative of Lizzy the great lizard (Piece be upon her).
The book appears to have quite a large amount of truth in it, sans some sprinkling of lies here and there.
He appears to have written this book to badly piss off his english and american cousins.
No wonder no major publishing house would have accepted his thesis.
Either way, when the Titans battle the earthlings can stand to gain.
He is a Titan and I am thankful to him for sharing his knowledge.
I will try to report back after reading the rest.
Peace Yo!

>>57026845
You sound like a nigger, please don't post again.

>>57027026
I will do as I please.
Suck my Scottish shaft.

>>57026845
what lies?
else: it's fine bro, rates cut bull market inc

>>57006103
My debt contracts say I owe USD, not eatzabug token.

>>57003100
>industrial mass produced object will have more value than digital currency which is weightless and instantly transactablr

>>57022454
All academics are schizo hoarders who create their safe space apartment in their ivory tower after eliminating so much competition and drawing energy from the souls they trap in their paper schizo puzzles they become agents of the system, that the system will always be there so you must participate and if you reject or seekt o change the system in anyway that is verboten and if you say you want to leave the system and buy a farm you might as well be shot for trying to start a white family that isn't in an ivory tower dungeon soul trap apartment

>>57001286
>Annoyingly he doesn't really give any solutions
Because the real solution is violence against the people perpetrating it, but you get put on a watch list if you say it out loud.

>>57007399
> Sure thing
Save this card and watch it closely.

>>57006636
How do you sell directly owned shares? What would you do with stock certificates and why would anyone believe they're real?

>>57028833
>why would anyone believe they're real?
Because if they're not the seller is going to prison.

>>57027109
And if, country wide, all USD-denominated accounts are switched to CBDC, guess who gets to eat the bugs? (you) do

>>57001286
>CPPs
>AAPLs
>CBDCs
>CDOs
How the hell do you people know so much about finance and economics? I thought this board was just crypto and lolcoin enthusiasts. How does one acquire all this knowledge while having a full time job? I wanna know more too.

>>57026845

>>57029077
I’ll bet I know more on CCP’s and cleared derivatives market operations than 99% of the board.

This isn’t to toot my own horn just to say I actually am a good resource. if you want knowledge on this stuff read BIS, Fed, and ISDA releases on market operations for these entities and these assets. All the knowledge is completely free, it just takes a lot of work learning what everything is, how the core concepts fit together, ect. Pick an article that looks cool, go down the rabbit hole learning everything that seems cool, then realize you learned nothing and do it again and again until you finally learn something.

Finance isn’t a very deep field, but it’s probably the broadest field. Deep learning in finance amounts to “gotcha” moments, stuff that seems to be logical and makes sense, like the fed creates money everyone knows that, then you learn that is taken and turned on its head, the banks actually create money at will with debt and the fed simply controls the money multiplier, they “gotcha” with that one.

bump

so what am I supposed to do? DRS my stocks?

>>57031964
for these guys the answer is always to buy gold and bury it besides grandma's coffin

>>57032003
I can see the case of why they think we're in for another crash, but is there any realistic way to hedge other than to stay out all together? (besides gold)

>>57033469
you have to hedge into what you perceive as valuable. i suggest cross referencing exters pyramid and maslows hierarchy of needs

a farmer likely isn't likely going to be looting stores for food

Its always the money changers behind the slavery.
Solution: Live your life one day at a time. If this time comes , where everything goes dark and the collapse happens, then just trust your instincts and do whatever u can, if u need to kill, kill, if u need to resist, resist, if u need to eat rats from the sewers, eat. What im not going to fucking do , is to start suffering in anticipation, fuck that shit, one day at a time, when it comes it comes, im not suffering in advance.

>>57033621
I guess there were farmers who didn't know the Great Depression happened until it was over.

>>57006142
rent free

>>57035455

bump, interesting stuff.

the just buy farmland stuff is a cope homesteading is good to know but you are still kicking the inevitable down the road for the next generation which is what created this debacle

I see him often mentioning Western states, what is the situation with BRICS and other nations in the regard of implementing the same potential scheme?

>>57037594
It's going to affect anyone having property sustained by debt, regardless of country.

>>57037730
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/world-sitting-powder-keg-debt

Okay, I inished read it niggers.
Very based book.
This book + Blood in the Streets (Mogg) will be killers in the coming years/decades.
Good bye!

interesting. I think the push towards tokenization can be a part in this, but it could also be an antidote to overleveraging and a infrastructure to force transparency. in either way private cryptocurrency profits

>>57001286
>BUMP
It's been a while for a quality thread like this anon. Great job.