/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>5700249

Fuck off commie scum.

>>5700296
I'm not commie, just interested if it is possible that people invest in communism out of their own will.

>>5700249
fuck outta here commie

>>5700249
How old are you, asking sincerely

>>5700249
Communism doesn't work, period

Maduro will introduce the Petro soon. Then you will have your answer. But since communism is about state and control, I guess the technology is very useful to keep track of all transactions and control the money flow.

>considering that most humans don't want to share their wealth with others?
Never read Engels.

Your basis is false, therefore your whole thought gets derailed.

You don’t own Commucoin. It owns you. If you want commucoin, you will have to prove yourself during a process called know your customer. It will then track you, and your name and personal id will be attached to the wallet, like coinbase. Then your wallet will report all activities to the gubmint, like coinbase, and if you attempt to transfer, your wallet will report it as a sale so it will have to report you to the gubmint, like coinbase.

>>5700393

Communism doesn't work

you do

>>5700249
fuck off commie faggot. you need to go back
>>>r/sandersforpresident

>>5700249
I guess you could make a labor voucher smart contract
>>5700296
Please return to r/4chan

>>5700296
t. High school education peaker

>>5700393
t. "Reading is for faggots" practicioner

>>5700393
>you must not live in America or europe

>>5700249
Commies deserve a free helicopter ride

>>5700337
I would happily invest in communism, do they accept hot lead?

>>5700522
did I trigger your commie conditioning?

I don’t know why the americucks and eurocucks are so offended by communism. They have to pay tax on their crypto gains so the state can distribute money to single moms and fake refugees, all under the banner of freedom and democracy. At least communism, even if it’s a shitty system that doesn’t work, is honest about this.

>>5700249
>a coin that has a set value without being influenced by demand and offer
HAHAHHHAHHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
*inhales*
HHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHHHHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAAHHHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAHHHAHHAAHAHAAHAHA
Oh boy, commies really peak intellectually when they are 13 yo.

We need more Communists on /biz/.

Market socialism is my personal preference.

Bring on the mad babies

>>5700337
Communism has a negative connotation. Call it freedom and then tell everyone that big business and government know better so they better listen to government sanctioned big business and to “think of the children”. Then everyone will happily go with it.

>>5700337
Communism doesn't work with people who have their own will. Personal freedom is antithetical to communism.

>>5700696
Russia is literally weaker than it was as the USSR.

Bring back daddy Stalin and Fidel

>>5700696
this anon gets it

>>5700685
this
Communists are the only ones that truly understand the inner machinations of capitalism

>>5700775
Too bad they don't understand their own model at all

>>5700249

Mercantilism coins


>Time to recolonize the shitskins

Criticize the government in large parts of the world, and you're in trouble. It's only in the imperialist countries where you have "freedom". The "freedoms" you enjoy are only possible because your country exploits other countries and uses the stolen wealth to bribe the populace and dampen class antagonisms.
The "freedom" in imperialist countries is because of the (relative) social "peace". Don't think for a second that as soon as class struggles start heating up that those "freedoms" aren't going to start disappearing.
Censorship in bourgeois states appears as freedom, because money is power and money speaks. Don't have money, don't have politics that align with capital, and your opinion is "extra-legally" censored. Speech has a class character, and class interests and structures support or push-away speech accordingly. The wealthy imperialist countries can talk about "free speech" and let class power "invisibly" regulate things instead. In this sense, capitalism is ingenious.
Capitalism is the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. They use the state to attempt to maintain the existence of class society and dampen class struggles which destabilize an inherently unstable system. There is a difference between communism and socialism. Socialism is a transitional stage where the proletariat exercises a class dictatorship to put the exploited in charge in order to move away from class society. Communism is where classes have disappeared and production is done according to use-value and things are distributed as needed (compared to capitalism where production is done according to exchange-value and things are distributed as commodities on the market).
Criticism of the government in socialism is allowed as long as it is not bourgeois. Socialism is the explosion of proletarian democracy.

>>5700633
that's because America and Europe are actually communist in everything but name. crypto is going to free ourselves from this shit. what do you think all of the crypto-multimillionaires do after they realize lambos are a waste of money? they invest in sea-steading and technologies to eliminate the political class. communisim is a death-trap that tricks the masses into thinking they're all equal, when in reality it's a two-class system of master and slave, with the politicians and party members at the top.

a neo-cameralist patchwork with blockchain weaponized drone fleets to enforce sovereignty. that's the future.

All taxes are communist


>Be americunt
>IRS creates tax coin
>only listed on IRS approved exchanges
>Move money to exchange to pay taxes
>IRS seizes all funds

This is the future

>>5700249
10/10
>>5700296
1/10

I just thought that if the way of nowadays cryptos is that the latest buyers before a crash lose and the earliest one gain. Afterwards the new rich ones have more possibilities and can engage the market even better. They slowly monopolize the gains because of relative gains and there is created a split between small losers and big gainers. The end would be a small very rich group and many that lost small amounts and some that went totally bankrupt since after the demand drops rapidly the late ones will lose everything.

>>5700249

commie here, currency won't exist

>>5700825
>Criticism of the government in socialism is allowed as long as it is not bourgeois.
>Actually believing this
Throughout history, socialist/marxist governments have been marked by the complete opposite. Violence and censorship against the populace at the direction of party leaders. You commies are fucking delusional.
>b-but they weren't doing it right!
It can't be done right. In short, kys.

>>5701151

I don't deny it, I advocate violence and censorship against the bourgeois ruling class at the full direction of the workers as a dictatorship of he proletariat. This is how it's done right.

There's only one reason you'd be a commie in western society and that is if you are weak, weak people want to bring you down to your level.
No thanks soy boys you'll get the rope soon enough!

>>5701235
>sucking the dick of the elite makes you strong
The absolute delusion of /pol/

>>5701222
>I decide who gets killed
On your way to being a top party leader. Good on you, lad.

The proletariat will never rule anything by proxy because they're too stupid to understand what they need. "Elected" officials in any communist society will always see themselves above the rabble, it's just human nature.

Communism is killing the middle class and giving their wealth to the upper class who gives some of it to the lower class to keep them happy for a year.

So the crypto equivalent would be hacking millions of wallets and redistributing them to poorfags.

An actual commie coin doesn't make sense because communists never create wealth. They only plunder it.

>>5701222
Your entire ideology is a Bashir insane cult and marxism is filled with contradictions.

Also why are you even on this board?

>>5701129
> currency magically won't exist

It's incredible people this stupid actually exist

>>5700727
Why would you want these countries to live in poverty and slavery again?

Holy fucking shit you're an idiot

>>5701302
Commies don't even believe in human nature, instincts, evolution or science.

It's incredible how dumb they are.

>>5701302
>muh human nature

I don't want to call you stupid, but the "human nature" argument not only isn't true as per historical materialism, but even if it's true, serves to strengthen the inevitability of communism.

In short, by saying human nature to criticise communism, you defeat yourself.

>>5700727


Putin is literally daddy

>>5701344

no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism so it's ok to trade crypto

>>5701283
>sucking the dick of literally everyone...
The absolute delusion of r/soyboy

>>5701476
>he fell for the strongman meme
RETURN TO REDDIT IMMEDIATELY

This is why we need to go to outer space. Humans are territorial and need space in order to survive and thrive. I reckon at least 100 acres a person.

You can’t go to space as a poor ignorant pleb. You can’t be like “m-m-muh gubmint !” You need power, money, influence, knowledge, confidence, strength. And of course, when they come after us space-dwellers (cuz human freedom leads to explosive wealth) they’re going to want what’s ours, and us space dwellers gonna be like “nah, bitch, you commie” and they’ll be like “muh brains nommomnom” and we’ll be like “fire up the Death Star, fire at will, commander!” Boom! Kabam!

And that’s how you know you’ve been brainwashed cuz birgousie George Lucas tried to alter the future.

>>5701420
>Having free housing, bread and milk, access to hospitals, universities and music lessons all for free
>Poverty

Release yourself from the sickness of luxury, pleb. Humans are built to produce, educate themselves and die calmly by the sea and soil, surrounded by people that loved them. Not to chase the dream of lambos.

>>5701471
Human nature means biological instincts
Means a pure communist society is literally impossible

You can't just socially engineer people and expect to change their entire brain to suit your ideology.
They will always snap out of it and go back to their nature

Lmao marxism is so fucking stupid

Die you insane cultist

>>5701526

star trek is the superior media and of course they are space communist because communism is inevitable in the future post scarcity society

What if one limits the amount you can have of the coin and the coin itself is deflationary? Of course one could create any number of wallets if it is anonymous and then have more than the limit, but in general it might work for the small investor.

>>5700249
Communism literally kills off the most competent memebers of society, thats why its a guaranteed failure.

>>5701471
Right, because party leaders in communist countries have historically been completely altruistic and totally benevolent, right?

Saying that human nature doesn't exist and isn't one of the sole reasons communism doesn't fucking work is top tier delusion, mate. You can call me stupid all you want if that is what you're staking your argument on.

>>5700249
Your model is absolutely fair and would work desu. Not a bad idea at all. But it's hard to implement.

>>5701479
>muh ethics
The only ethical thing to do is to systemically murder all marxists.

Your revolution is never going to happen, it's not inevitable.
Please kys

Communism's good and cool, cryptocurrency is fucking shite. You should realize communism via kicking your boss's ass, not making Redcoin or some stupid shit

>>5701552
Why force everyone to live a mediocre life just because some fail to even achieve mediocrity?

>>5700249
>The first idea I had would be a coin that has a set value without being influenced by demand and offer.
commie economics everyone.
fucking retard.

>>5701569
Star Trek is literally capitalist post scarcity.

Thanks to deflationary currencies, prices for most things have fallen to zero.

No communism autism is needed.

Lmao you people don't even believe in evolution.

Why do you think everyone laughs at you?

>>5701569
And once we are post scarcity people will start killing each other out of boredom and being useless is driving most people insane. That age will be incredibly short.

>>5701552
>>Having free housing, bread and milk, access to hospitals, universities and music lessons all for free
You have this anywhere; it's called welfare. Only Americans hate it and don't want it

>>5701621
Communism is fucking gay.

Destroying my boss and his wealth does not benefit me or the working class. It just destroys wealth.

Why haven't we murdered all of these sycophantic commie turds already?

>>5701566
Then I will call you stupid and explain how you defeat yourself.

Human nature is altruistic. Proven mathematical fact in historical materialism. But you say it is aggressive and always chases power and wealth.

If indeed such was the case, the worker whose work creates value, but gets paid for less than this value (since the capitalist does not produce, but instead takes surplus value above the cost and payment of production), then how are workers not actively hanging and taking back the means of production?

Indeed the fact that capitalism still exists and communism is not yet achieved, proves that human nature is not aggressive but altruistic.

>>5701566

biological instincts are formed based on the environment people are placed in, which is why their nature seems to be savages with insatiable greed under capitalism. socially engineering people and changing their brain to create a system that benefits the ruling class instead of all society is capitalism

>>5701552
>Gibs me dat
Why are you on /biz/, why are you on a computer... seems like a luxury to me!

>>5701235
99% of the people in capitalism are weak and should kill themselves?
Kys cock sucker of the rich.

>>5701569
>work for Jean luv Picard
>fuck Diana Troy and Beverly crusher st the same time
>let worf watch while he masturbates in the corner
>>>space communism totally worth it

>>5700775
Then why is their ideology filled with contradictions?

>>5701671

you should watch it sometime it's a good series
it's thanks to advancements in technology and there is no currency

>>5700249
Its easy anon...


> Create a coin
> After some time steal everything and say that everything belongs to you, I mean, the proletary.
> Send everyone that disagree to Siberia
> ?
> profit

>>5701764
Why do you hate the rich?
Taking their wealth will not benefit you.

>>5701740
>Your hoe was produced under feudalism, how dare you use it to work the soil!

Innovation belongs to the proletariat, not capitalism.

>>5701566
>biological instincts
>capitalism has only been around for a fraction of recorded history, and a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of human existence
Really makes you think

>>5701716
>implying wealth outside of material resources is real
>implying those resources wouldn't be used more efficiently and fairly under a communist system
Shut up bootlick

anybody else in TRON right now? I can't wait to share all this money with my comrades

It's nice to see /biz/ has some thinking Communists around, however.

Who /Stalinist/ here?

>>5701764
I am rich bitch, why don't you go out and make something of yourself instead of wanting it all for free!

>>5701734
HAHAHAHAHAHA

HOLY FUCK YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND EVOLUTION OR INSTINCTS AT ALL

How is social engineering supposed to magically change hardwired human instincts?

HOW?

You people are fucking embarrassing.
Please kys

>>5701839
>someone else gets to decide how and when to use my own resources
How about no.

>>5701865
Read what I replied to you. Logic has left your argument null.

>>5701802
I don't want their wealth. They just have more money than they need. While others suffer.

>>5701850
The worker works just as hard but he doesn't get the fruit of his labour.

>>5701849

stalin was a marxist leninist and I am ML so sure. The man who literally never did anything wrong in life. also dat capcha....

>>5701839
Then why was every socialist society in history a massive failure?

>>5701865

Boy I wonder how people survived for thousands of years before capitalism showed up.

>>5701849
It's fart to see /biz/ has some farting Fartmunists around, fartever.

Who /Fartlinist/ here?

>>5701910
But taking their wealth won't increase living standards for the working class

>>5701865

you fucking retard, did you think feudalism was also the unchangeable state of human nature before capitalism came around?

How is our even possible for their to be bootlicking communist scum on /biz/?

We all want to kill you, your autistic sophist cult should be destroyed.

Marxism is the dumbest religion on earth.

>>5701954
You don't aim to steal. You redistribute the value they stole that was created by the workers and stop the exploitation of the proletariat.

Two reasons, there. If the capitalist wants to produce, be my guest. But in no way will he be allowed to live off of others.

>>5701944
Until mercantilism showed up

All communists please move to Venezuela!

https://discord.gg/FXCnXek

New Pump and Dump group looking to have a new p&d every day

>>5701621
>outrun aesthetic

Commies use vaporwave aesthetic, outrun belongs to the Right. Get it together, you living meme.

>>5701994
Shoo shoo. Your time will come. The fun thing about deterministic philosophy is that communism is coming. Move on, or we move on over you.

>colored people cant build decent countries
>show up to White countries
>"EHH IZ TIME FOR W-WEALTH REDISTRBOOSHIN B-BOYS"
>Commies get slaughtered
>"THAT DIDNT COUNT, IT CAN STILL WORK!"

>>5701913
Had a good laugh, brofist from the EU. We'll all make it

>>5702022
>70% of GDP is by private industry
>communist
Are you retarded

>>5701717
>how are workers not actively hanging and taking back the means of production
Well you see, the capitalists would shoot them if they tried. Also, the workers believe that if they play their cards right, they can become capitalists themselves. Therefore, it's not in their self-perceived interest to take back the means of production.

Especially since communist revolutions lead to things like Venezuela LOL

Nobody is talking about what OP said because /pol/tards got triggered by the word communism

>>5702068
>colored people can't build decent countr-

>>5702000
This. Government doesn’t aim to fix human problems. It only says it will fix problems by growing itself. The true solution is anarchy based on open sourced ai smart contracts and blockchain technology. Get rid of the human nature is self governance.

>>5702000
I bet you don't even have a real job.

>>5702123
Gaddafi, truly a man of all rac-

http://www.afrik-news.com/article18180.html

>>5701619
socialism as an ideology is taking over the youth.

Good luck with that

>>5702102

of course they would. capitalism requires force to keep people engaged in wage slavery, nobody would participate in this system willingly without constant police presence to protect bourgeois wealth from the exploited working class

>>5702068
Corruption, mismanagement, western aggression and nationalism (racism by the russians on the rest) brought down the Soviet union.
China was also rekt by mismanagement of Mao.
It wasn't communism that ruined those countries. It was capitalistic tendencies like corruption and nationalism.

>>5702172
No, their idea of socialism is nothing like yours. Deep down, their idea of socialism is kicking out the 3rd world savages and restoring Europe/USA/etc to 1920s economics with worker rights intact. You fatasses will never appeal to them.

>>5702068
>Single handedly eradicate fascism, gradually rot when literally the whole world is trying to kill you from the inside since capitalism understands the people are realising it's time to leave the old world behind (Soviet union)
>Literally retake half the country through guerilla tactics, and feed the people while building schools and forums, then get split up when Franco literally hires Moroccan commandos with US/UK money to attack your forces at night (Spain)
>Literally free half the country with a handful of badly armed guerillas, craze UK control and taxation on your soil, build schools and food halls for the starving population, start setting up long term governing bodies based on academics, then get disassembled by the combined power of US and UK (Greece)

Gee, communism sure is bad

>>5702166
Nice OP-ed
Got any real news

That was the last time I made a thread on biz...

>>5701839
Why are you clowns so stupid? Do you train or you were dropped on your head as a baby? Serious question.

>>5702217
awwww the baby nat soc teeny is having a bad day.

adorable :)

>>5702258
Your fetish for turn the human race to a mocha color underneath the guise of gommunism will never come true. Keep dreaming, maybe get a job.

>>5702270
That article was written by an honest black man, a-are you racist?

>>5702307
I'm up 20% in crypto gains just today

LOL

>>5702359
>>5702359
So mad so precious. Gains mean nothing when you get mad that people race mix.

loling @ yur life now and forever

>>5702359

>maybe get a job
we're workers that's why we're communists you filthy class traitor

>>5700249
Communism specifically aims to get rid of money

What you’re wanting to do is the equivalent of investing in Jewish prosparity under a Nazi regime.


But even if you had a crypto for protocommunism, it would essentially be constantly producing and dumping coins on the market, and at the end of each week/month/year redistributing all coins in circulation equally amoungst all wallets.

This is because communism has not real concept of value.

>>5702422
Labor is the only value now and forever

>>5700727
>daddy Stalin
literal cancer

Great thread biz

>>5702396
>"So mad so precious."
>He says while avoiding eye contact

Whites are the least likely to race-mix, but that obviously won't solve your weird fetish.

>>5702172
Nah, gen z is libertarian. They are the opposite of your oppressive murder cult.

>>5702408
Shilling your dead ideology on cantonese onastic online forums doesn't count as a job, kid. You'll understarnd when you finish those gender studies "degree" and even starcucks denies your work application.