/biz/ - Business & Finance

It can't possibly go up more tomorrow right? How have we not have a pullback?

Biden and his merry band of glowniggers just doomed us to a hyperinflationary collapse to "hide" their destruction of the US economy. Why is it that totalitarian shitholes always end in hyperinflation?

>>56972606
everyone who posts in these threads should have their right to vote rescinded

I am genuinely euphoric.
Nothing can stop this rally.

I've been holding SQQQ for almost a full year now and am down 6k

>>56972684
Listen Jack, once we start pumping that $25 per barrel oil out of Guyana, we can start paying the wagies at Fazoli's $7.25/hr again and everything will be alright.
Except housing.

>>56972682
calm before Friday's storm.

>>56972709

>>56972708
We're all going to be rich!

NEW ATH EVERYWHERE TOMORROW BROS
also
>top gainers from today with a price over 1 USD in the US stock market
>CCCC on a 5x over the last 2 days
absolutely lmao tier

XlABROS

TOTAL YEN CARRY TRADE DEATH

>>56972728
Xiaomi xiaomy, that's a good recovery.

>>56972740
Jap ministry of finance must be thrilled they no longer have to keep intervening to push it down every other day.

Alright I'm back. Are you guys still being schizo?

>>56972763
It's 10 pm and this is /smg/. What do you think?

>>56972727
>CCCC market cap 262M
>this contract
damn

>>56972763
>LETF arguing: Detente
>Sisterfucking: Cooled off
>JOE BIDEN SET POINT: Vented

I'd say we're all good.

>>56972773
It's 3:30am akshually

>>56972763
>bobo thinks all bulls are polish
>bobo 2 thinks that we will have another 2008
>bobo 3 thinks that the market is rigged (it is) but believes that by being bearish he will finally beat the rigged market
>bobo 4 thinks that by not crashing the market the glowies are going to doom us all
>4 anons are misreading the USD/JPY chart to think that the yen is going down instead of going up
>mumus are bullying bobos non stop (they deserve it)

>>56972790
We go by US market hours around here.

>DXY
the dollar is kill

>>56972727
>>56972782
Plunging rates mean now's a good time for speculative bioshit. What's your position, anon?

>>56972773
It's 7:30 Mountain.

>>56972684
I'm still not sold on it.
Hyperinflation would free all the rednecks in the hills from their control and this whole thing (like literally 80 years of bullshit) has been to try to wrangle us. Hyperinflation would undo all of that.

SAVE sissies is the deal gonna happen or not

>>56972811
flip a coin

>>56972802
>mfw I only have a few thousand of them

STOP buying
the market should NOT be going up
inflation will go to the moon and the FED will have to raise rates again, mark my words..

>>56972811
yesn't

>>56972816
I got heads. What's that mean for SAVE?

>>56972789

>>56972804
none, i risk my savings on space and robotic gambles that i'll never shill here to be bullied
am just looking at what moved and found it interesting

>>56972763

>>56972811
I'm gonna repost this chart with zero sourcing or justification.

Now shut up until the judge rules some time next month (he said he wanted to be done before the end of the year but that was before some shit delayed the trial start a couple weeks).

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I don’t think the Fed means what the market thinks it means

>>56972831
>space and robotic gambles that i'll never shill here to be bullied
Which ones? No bully.

I'm honestly feeling demoralized, opposite of euphoric. All I've done is lose money the past few months

>>56972857
It means well fed!

>>56972875
personally, I hold for usually a year. worked for my intel shares that i had...

>>56972834
I think I have this somewhere, but do you have the inverse version for future use?

I need to get a better foundation model so I can generate an index for real without having to pay microsoft.

Nothing creates angry mobs of people with pitchforks who want answers from their government officals quite like their currency becoming worthless and not being able to affors food. Tick tock.

do i pull out all my VOO and prepare for the crash

>>56972875
>All I've done is lose money the past few months
Maybe walk through one or two of your biggest positions or trades. What brought it to mind? Did you buy it well or poorly? Did you have a stop and target price in mind? Was your sizing too big and got you shook?

Something like
>I aped in when someone posted literally nothing but the ticker on /smg/, with 50% of my port and no idea of stops or targets.
is pretty much setting yourself up to fail.

>>56972928
It's not happening yet.
It's getting there but it's not happening yet.
Investors care about A relative to B.
Traders care about the trajectory from A to B.

>>56972682
>How have we not have a pullback?
No pullbacks for rest of week. markets liked what jpow said and everyone is optimistic for eoy.

>>56972933
Has there been a single ticker shilled on smg in the last month that is down in value?
>the pennystock scammer doesn't count

Think about all the tickers shilled.
BITF
MARA
PODD
SAVE
SOXL
AMD
They're all up in value considerably more then the market.

>>56972952
Sounds about right. I'm covering my shorts.

>>56972810
>>56972948
Check the in-store prices. Inflation is currently 10% a month.

>>56972959
SHOT definitely comes to mind. Plus some other 1pbtid's shilling biotechs that popped double or triple digits before retracing.

>>56972974
Yeah that's not *hyperinflation* that's just really bad inflation.

>>56972975
I bought so much SHOT today.

>>56972975
>SHOT
To be fair that was some of the most fun I've had in like a year on smg. The real value was the friends we made along the way.

>>56972975
IMO shot was shilled as a short opertunity.

>>56972985
That's before they start cutting rates.

Last chance to get in on TSLA

>>56972959
>>56972975
Plus keep in mind the other pieces of the puzzle. If you really didn't do any research or preplanning, you could've FOMO'd into MARA at 17 then panic sold at 14.50. Or BITF at 2.60 that you sell for 2.20. 15% drops can be scary!

>>56973002
Yeah that's true anon.
New investor + no conviction = disaster.

At least they aren't swinging options and blowing through their life savings in one day.

I remember when economists were saying the soft landing would have like 20% chance of succeeding. The Fed proved them all wrong..

YOUNG HEARTS

BE FREE

TONIGHT

>>56973026
and a 50 percent chance at being correct either way. it's a simple gamble really.

>>56973026
What landing? Inflation is still running hot and the dollar is about to become toilet paper. They just gave up.

>>56973026
And 100% chance of recession this fall.

>>56973048
>dollar is about to become toilet paper.
Dont be so dramatic anon its 3%.

>>56973048
>the dollar is about to become toliet paper

>>56973026
>soft landing

>Inflationary Recession
how positively grimdark

>>56973059
I like the sweat

>>56972684
Fiat suffers plastic deformation not brittle failure. Hyperinflation can't happen without foreign denominated debt

>>56973053
>>56973059
Look at the prices, you disingenuous faggot. The inflation data is fake.

>>56972863
RKLB - unironically willing to bet big and am increasing my position daily using other gains, i'm betting long term (2-3 years) for their reusable neutron rocket to become a stable for launches and am ready for a bumpy ride
LUNR - literal trash stock as far as i'm concerned so tiny position that i've accepted can go to 0, want to bet on companies that produce hardware for space missions outside of just satellites so it seemed interesting
tokyo stock exchange ticker 6861 (Keyence Corp) - medium position, a bigger japanese design company focused on products for factory automation tools, not very exciting but hard to find companies that produce interesting for me robotics equipment, very boomery as i don't expect much movement
tokyo stock exchange 6954 (Fanuc Corp) - smaller japanese factory automation producer, small position, not very good reasons to buy them, financially they are stable but not great and have been doing stock buybacks recently so am mostly curios how it will play out. definitely high risk with unknown upside
tokyo stock exchange 6506 (Yaskawa Electric Corp) - another smaller factory automation robotics manufacturer, tiny position, cant even justify to myself besides i like robots and its a cheapo company

if you want non memey robotics companies, hyunday and kawasaki might be worth a look but its a small part of their business so might be taken for a wild ride
its mostly factory assembly and warehouse automation i think

i've been trying to read through the holdings of different etfs related to space / aero and robotics to find interesting smaller companies but it all feels like utter trash and probably is

>>56973072
you're literally out of your mind with euphoric delusion

A whole year of just buying TMF every week. Man investing is so complicated.

>>56973081
>t. Paul Krugman

>>56973102
>>56973090
Listen bobos, we make money. You don't.
Its not your fault. You try to fight the rigged system instead of getting as much as you can out of it. I get it, you're stubborn and likely midwits. You ARE the dumb money.

Wait until a bear market to actually invest. Until then, save your money. Or, go short sell yourself into a hole.

>>56973090
its not toilet paper levels yet anon. dont be so dramatic.

Listen up you fuckwits. The bond market ALWAYS knows. Stocks don't mean jack shit. They're literally kid's play toys. BONDS is all that matters to the big boys.

When the bond market is front running cuts and literally forcing the Fed's hand it's an EXTREMELY bearish signal. It means the bond big boys KNOW shit ain't right and that rate cuts are needed because productivity and consumption are slowing down.

If the economy could handle it the idea for the Fed is to have reasonable interest rates (3%+) forever. But the bond market is literally telling the Fed that shit is not going to fly and that we need to get back to sub 2% ASAP because the real economy can't function at 5%.

Bull steepener in bonds and Fed pivot all but guarantees 2024 will "officially" be a recession and given the length and magnitude of this bull run probably a motherfucking huge recession. Enjoy the short term euphoria while you can, but be out of equities by the time the Fed cuts. Shit will go down big time at that point.

>yields
>gold
>silver
>dollar

>>56972810
You can't cheat Economy. Central bankers have far far less power than they like to believe, we adopted equities as a pseudo-money after the USD was demonetized (gold is a money, you can't demonetized a money), in effect splitting the primary money function (unit of account) from the transactional currency function

>>56973128
>>56973145
>it doesn't matter if the economy implodes and the dollar becomes worthless as long as the number goes up ecksdee

Is this really it?

>>56973160
That's an interesting way to look at it. I've never heard this before.
I love this place. All you guys have such unique ideas.

>SOXL: 4.77%
>JNUG: 14.00%

With confirmed rate cuts next year, this marks the end of the tech cycle. Good bye SOXL. Hello JNUG.

>>56973095
>RKLB
Yeah, the chart's decent and if anybody can be an also-ran to SpaceX, it's probably those guys.

>LUNR - literal trash stock as far as i'm concerned
Yeah, seems they've got only a couple quarters of cash and are super dependent on NASA who is... maybe not the most reliable source of funding.

>Keyence/Fanuc/Yaskawa
Don't know anything about those guys but I personally hold ATS. I've also heard ROK and ABB Ltd bandied about in that space. The latter seems like it's going nutso so... I might actually pick some up tomorrow.

Some anons have talked about SYM for warehouse automation but I think they have a fragile customer base and shit management so have steered clear.

>i've been trying to read through the holdings of different etfs related to space / aero and robotics to find interesting smaller companies but it all feels like utter trash and probably is
Smart. Who knows why Cathie or GlobalX throw what they do into ARKX or BOTZ.

>>56973165
When the market was at October lows or all-time highs my life didn't change at all. You guys act like women and should be confined to an insane asylum for your hysteria.

Sorry your puts got heemed dude. Just buy bonds and stop gambling.

>>56973147
Those retards were projecting approximately 0 Fed hikes at the start of 2022. The bond market is an informed opinion but just that, an opinion. It's not the word of G*d.

>>56973207
JNUG on your anime chest

>>56973122
It's not a good thing or a bad thing, it's just a thing. Without debt denominated in something you don't control, you never get a hyperinflationary positive feedback loop, that's just the facts, USD can continue losing half it's worth every decade forever.

>>56973152
Don't forget
>yen

>141.79
Fuck me...

>>56973237
do we still have forex traders shorting the yen or are people despairing the import costs of anime figurines?

>>56972929
I did just that today and rightfully feel retarded. I'm still hoping for a crash.

>>56973207
>JNUG: 14.00%
Oh hey, that reminds me I had this thing. Fucking wild action today.

And no, I won't include the original cost basis or explain it any further.

>>56973220
>>56973233
50 cents have been deposited into yiur account, thank you for your service!>>56973237

>>56973247
Dunno, I just love that picture of Miyazaki. Forex scares me and YCL is too stable so I've only ever done a couple FXY calls.

>>56973147
Bond market is the dumbest of dumb money, bond total returns since '71 are below gold, and total gold stock more than doubled since then (never forget that gold actually has a significant inflation rate through mining, about 2%/yr), so using a fixed unit of account bonds performed less than half as well as zero-yield shiny rocks. Embarrassing

>>56973237
let's also not forget >oil recently either
but hey NFLX is up today lol

>>56973286
Let's be real. It's not the currencies that scare a person with Forex. It's the levels of margin.

How would you invest 250k for long term gains to eventually live off in 20 years?

>>56973296
The absolute state of glownigger cope.

>>56973311
btc

>>56973296
kek you are so wrong you dumbass
There's this thing called volatility. Absolute returns don't mean jack shit.

If you would want to accurately compare bonds and gold you would have to lever bonds to match the volatility of gold

>>56973267
GDXJ should approach and maybe exceed the 2021 high next year.

>>56973296
>>56973296
>Generational lows in bonds
>Makes fun of them instead of slurping the dip

Derrrrrrrrrrr what happens when rates go down durrepp, shits pants, eats glue, sniffs own farts

Short weed, ticker: MSOS. Fuck potheads, they smell like shit.

>>56972682
>>56972718
>>56972952
>>56972964
>>56972727
I saw all these same posts last year and the year before and the year before etc. in november/december when anons were screaming it can only go up forever.

And then, suddenly and without warning, it went down. Then we saw anons screaming for 2-16 weeks about how it will never go up again.

You guys are genuinely the most emotional bitchtits traders on the planet, ever. I would screencap my post and repost it to make fun of you but there isn't really a point when you guys do the same thing every time.

>>56973311
50% BITX, 50% UPRO.

>>56973128
You don't make money though because you're an /smg/tard that plays team sports and are always euphoric right before the plunge.

>>56973329
Yeah that slam back below 2000/oz seems like an excellent sentiment killer. And once sentiment is killed it has only one direction to go...

>>56973368
check gold and silver futures

>>56973343
>>56973364
Its incredible how perfect of a midwit you are. You can't even tell when we're having fun even when we post things like "Nothing can stop this rally" and "I am Euphoric".
Is English not your first language? We are going higher but we also have no idea what will happen in the long term.
For the time being my NUMBER ONE PRIORITY is mocking bears.
Why?
Because it is FUN. Now go back to reading the intelligent investor or whatever it is you enjoy doing for fun.

>>56973368
Sentiment was restored when JPow revealed an expected three rate cuts next year. Hence the pump on the news. Chart related.

>>56973382
It's so fucking over. Silver is at a price it's been at all year. Hoard beans and toilet paper.

>>56973397
>image_2023-12-13_223527624.png
Wow, very convincing "anon"!

Are all TV shows just gay these days? I just want to chill on my couch but everything is so woke I end up just turning off the TV after 20 minutes.

>>56972959
I am amazed that the shitcoin miners have managed to stay green.

>>56973408
What's up your ass? You should go out and buy some bullets. Not in preparation for the apocalypse, but to kill yourself with.

>watching ESPN 30 for 30
>Based Reggie White condemining faggots and praising whites for knowing how to make money
I miss the 90s.

>>56973419
I watched survivor tonight and there weren't any fags or trannies on it and no politics. They showed a hot latina girls tits tonight too.

>>56973419
>SHUT IT DOWN!

SIGA GAYSEX BROS

>>56973429
My friend told me to watch this horror show called "The House of Usher". It was really popular with the normies.
Guess what? I saw 4 gay couples in the first 20 minutes. The majority of the characters. And then read the attached picture.

Thank god I don't actually "pay" for Netflix or other streaming services. Its so Jewish its actually sickening.

>>56973452
Just don't watch it

>>56973426
Just have faggot fatigue and you are acting like a faggot

>Wow the world isn't ending
>Let's freak out

>>56973457
you're retarded and projecting some bullshit from your imagination onto me.

>>56973419
Yes. I watch stuff from the 90s and under mostly. Charmed (1998 - 2006)is a guilty pleasure though. I mean hey uh seeing tits and ass on the screen is the only selling point you know. Aside: the chick from the big bang theory got her start in this. Her tits and ass ain't bad either.

>>56973452
I watched that trash. I can spoil it for you. Everyone dies.

>>56973457
>just don't watch it
I didn't.
I just finished watching all of Stargate SG1 and there is a hole in my soul.

>>56973419
>>56973452
You will never be an organic poster.

>>56973002
>15% drops can be scary!
lol. You are the reason the market crashes next quarter.

>>56973469
It's called a God hole and I have it too. You fill it with sexxooo and drugs usually and then accept Jesus when you are like 60 years old and don't have a libido anymore.

>>56973474
they kind of hurt though
You spend all year making 10-20% and then all the sudden the market farts

How long do increased rates typically last historically? We weren't at high rates for very long before they signaled the intention to drop rates. Is this what usually happens?

>>56973452
Want to watch a real horror movie? Martyrs

>>56973491
this time, it's different

>>56973502
Its amazing how much this stupid image makes me laugh.

>>56973474
I'm tongue-in-cheek mocking a very new investor. Obviously anyone who has any experience with crypto miners knows your emotional reaction should knock an order of magnitude off any swings.

>>56973502
What if we hit 2800?

>>56973511
Same lmao. Watch and learn.

>>56973308
>Let's be real. It's not the currencies that scare a person with Forex. It's the levels of margin.
What margin? Options are 100x. Forex is scary because of dumb fucks being in charge of policy. Politicians are just shitty actors.
>>56973486
>You spend all year making 10-20% and then all the sudden the market farts
I make that in the first five minutes, and won't sell it, because I can afford a fart.

>>56973469
Indeed Daniel Jackson

>>56973519
Not possible. Mott Capital is never wrong.

>>56973472
>not an organic poster
I am a carbon based lifeform. Completely organic.

>>56973491
The 90's was pretty shat. Or was it the 80's?. Actually things were worse. Rates were much higher. But things cost less then to. So maybe it equaled out I dunno. Do remember the first modern computer that the family got cost about what a decent used car did at the time.

>>56973502
i dont understand friend

>>56973502
buddy that chart is illegal to post

>>56973534
THE LINE
LOOK AT THE LINE
THE LINE IS GOING UP
IT WILL CONTINUE TO GO UP
PRAISE THE LINE

>>56973531
Are they the guys who make those apple sauce cups?

>>56973534
Line go up. Top secret TA. Shh don't tell anyone it's trademarked.

>>56973532
I don't think that's a fair comparison because of economies of scale. Computers were not manufactured at anything resembling the scale that cars were back then, since basically everyone needed a car and home computers were a completely new thing.

I remember eating out in the 90's felt way more expensive but just 'living', like, paying rent and buying groceries was not that bad. Anyways even then none of that has anything to do with what I want to know which is when rates are increased to deal with inflation, do they usually stay up longer relative to what happened this cycle?

>>56973544
It's actually pointing out that the market tends to go under trend after periods above trend. Pretty small time frame showing the post-GFC bull market.

>>56973491
30 years? Loan time frames matter. During ZIRP loan time frames for all things have been extended, which increases risk with time. Shit is FUCKED.

>>56973543
It's fair use

>>56973573
there's nothing fair about stealing someone else's hard work

>>56973562
>I remember eating out in the 90's felt way more expensive but just 'living', like, paying rent and buying groceries was not that bad.

Think about that, and why it was the case.
How is it different now? You see it, but you don't understand why.

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>>56973582
>it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports.
If the laws in your country are different, you may be violating those laws by viewing said image. Here in the US though, it's fair game.

Give me a good stock tip.

>>56973601
AVAV

>>56973595
I live my life by divine law, not man's. That's the product of someone painstakingly investing their labor to earn a living. You're literally defending the theft of food from the chart maker's child, philistine. Shame on you.

>>56973595
Throwback to the Canadian Trucker protestors that told Canadian police that they were exercising their 1st Amendment right

ok i found this pic its way more chaotic than I thought it would be (what the fuck happened in the '80's to set off that fucking bananas era of high interest rates). It seems like relatively raised rates only last a year or two before changing.

>>56973590
Sorry man I have no idea. In Canada where I live rent and groceries are up because we have a mental amount of immigration relative to our population (not enough housing) and giant oligopolies running all grocery stores.

>>56973419
Think I'll start watching Twin Peaks again. Will have to write a paper for next week and might watch it on the side.

>>56973562
I dunno. Hell I was a kid in the 80s and 90s so inflation and all that was a nothing thing to me. Although I don't expect prices of everyday things to go down any even after cut rates. You'll never go into a MCD's again and get a sausage biscuit for $1.00. Those type of days are gone for good. Grocery items are a mixed bag. Somethings will fall in price but others will be jacked. So in the end you'll still pay out the ass. The naughts were the time I was a young dude out on his own. Things were cheap as hell then. I was making less but it seemed like I was keeping more of it. Maybe cause I was renting a place with friends so the expenses were split. I dunno. Still seemed like I had more green.

>>56973641
Unfortunately, Canadians do not have a legal right to hold a bank account.

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>>56973651
They do have the legal right to kill themselves. They are lucky the government doesn't force them to pay their taxes upfront before they do, YET.

>>56973651
That’s why I’m thankful to be an American and run a Globe ex-Canada portfolio

aiee jannies help me

>>56973278
>facts are wrong because they hurt my feefees
Maybe plebbit is more your speed? USD halving in value every decade is a bad thing (for dullards, at least), but "that's bad!" isn't an argument on why it'll stop.

>>56973671
Here in the US, we even have the right to access bank accounts that no longer exist - well, as long as you're systemically important

>>56973643
>Sorry man I have no idea.
It was the same in America. We've kinda diverged since 2010 but shit's fucked either way.

Anyone else find it bullshit the US has a higher tax rate than most European countries.

>>56973689
USD has to eat shit every decade. It's how we inflate our debt away. I'm amazed that even midwits can't figure this out.

>>56973649
>McDonalds app menu screenshot
You can still get things for pretty cheap but technology has created terms and conditions in how we can access things at the price point we actually want. The difference between a sandwich and a combo is pretty astonishing because it is all profit margin for the restaurant.

>>56973708
Look man, we need to continue funding Israel's military, free healthcare, free college, free retirement, and free public transportation, as well as all their retirement plans.
If we don't do that...well....what's next? Protecting our boarders? Uh HELLO! that's for Jews/Israelis only! You silly goof.

>>56973737
I'm pretty sure I read that McDonald's isn't even profitable in the US. Most of these fastfood places are just putting their real estate appreciation into their valuation and hoping chinks eat more premium novelty goyslop

>>56973689
Glownigger.

>>56973754
Are you the polish schizo bobo or the one that's convinced every bull is a CIA agent?
Either way enjoy losing money BOBO FAGGOT

>>56973328
>yes, they preform poorly, but look how consistently they perform poorly!
Volatility adjusted returns are the biggest pseud cope in finance

>>56973771
Yeah but think about how well those guys are performing across the multiverse.

>>56972929
wait for family and friends who normally don't pay attention to the market to start talking about it, then it's time.

>>56972929
You never sell your VOO until you retire. Howabout instead you just add more to your VOO stack during downturns. Our better yet just add more each month consistently so downturns don't matter.

>>56973771
This is it man. This is your chance to make it. Instead you laugh at it. I'll continue to shill TMF every single week for the next two years while everyone says bonds are gay

>>56973737
>hamburber $1.89
They were $0.29 10 years ago.

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>>56973813
Anon I don't know enough about bonds to know what I would be doing.
Is it just, rates go down = TMF go up?

I kind of feel like the market can be way more retarded than this.

>>56973767
g l o w n i g g e r

>>56973834
That's the idea sirs

>>56973753
I believe they are still profitable in the US, they just rely on their real estate positions more than anyone else though. Don’t forget they have a lot of franchisees so they don’t have to be profitable, they just need to collect their royalties.

Fuck I love bitfarms, I'm at $90k, up 140%. I'll buy SOXL I guess. What do I convert JEPQ to? VOO?

>>56973737
>>56973821
>cheeseburger $2.49
They were $0.39 10 years ago.

Cheese went up 1000%?

>>56973753
>>56973737
>>56973821
The funny thing is L.C's large pizza and the lunch combo meal stayed the same price (5.30) for years and years. Till finally they jacked the prices. To under 8 dollars. Uh yeah.. They also put more pepperoni on it. So the price went up just 2.7 dollars but it took them ages before they finally did it.

>>56973847
What percent of my portfolio should I put in? Give me something reasonable. I am 100% in PODD right now but I genuinely like what I'm looking at. I can't stomach huge volatility with something I don't really know too much about.

>>56973754
>global financial crash in 2 weeks, trust the plan!
If one of us were a glownigger, it'd be your bobo ass

>>56973877
TLT is the underlying unleveraged if you think it's spooky. They pay a divvy too if it crabs and they don't lower rates. It's US Treasury bonds my dude if they go to zero then nukes are going to be going off anyways.

>>56973865
The guy wrapping the burgers in paper got a lot more expensive

>>56973877
if you don't want volatility just buy tlt, the reason it's down so much is because the US had near 0% interest rates for so long that the recent rise made 20 year treasuries lose value. if interest rates stay where they are or fall tlt/tmf will gaan

>>56973899
They're pouring over the border for free, and the last time I took an uber or bought fast food (once each in the last month just to see how 'it's going' according to them) boomers are literally getting these jobs instead of illegals.

>>56973877
>What percent of my portfolio should I put in?
Deep down you know the answer.

>>56973467
>Charmed (1998 - 2006)
Tits never go out of style

>>56973813
TMF isn't bonds though, it's a leveraged bet on direction of rates. And even then it's going to massively underperform a conservative portfolio of 100% cash-money (BTC)

>>56973908
>>56973895
You guys have convinced me to put 10% of my portfolio into tmf tomorrow. Do you have an exit strategy? What is your PT or where do you see a good withdrawal price for someone with low risk tolerance?
I'm legit trusting you anon, heart on my sleeve here.

>>56973865
no, the dollar lost much of its value

>>56973928
My strategy is to buy more every time I have more money and if there is a big pullback then the strategy is to click enable margin and buy more of it

>>56973942
vs who? The EU? Japs?
Did the KSA and UAE finally unhinge and fuck us?
Bonds??? lol

>>56973865
>>56973899
We need more robot slaves. Or, as we may call them in the future, metal niggers.

Never forget what they took. KFC chicken little, the original. Not that abomination they call it now. Fucking $0.39 cents in the 80's. I miss it. Parents used to get them for us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZqfW8r68h4

This guy got it

It's over for the dollar. The US is on track to become the next Venezuela. I guess that's what happens you start acting like a banana republic.

>>56973986
Then give me all your worthless dollars.

>>56973974
It's coming
>>56973982
It will be back, but as a horror you have never imagined.

>>56973958
>vs who?
the US economy.

>>56973928
follow the 200d sma strategy, watch TLT, technically it hasn't passed above the 200day moving average (yet) but hold tmf while it is above and sell when TLT crosses below. I mean it's bonds so I'm holding for a couple years it should be a slow trade. the 200d sma on tlt is 97.43 and we closed at 96.84

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>>56973792
I cannot second this post enough. Everyone in the thread should commit this to memory.

Applies to Bitcoin, bonds, puts, tech stocks... every investment under the sun.

>>56973928
For real tho if you are low risk tolerance just buy TLT dude. They pay a divvy every 30 days and it won't be so spooky for you to bitch out on a -10% day because some fed guy said something about maybe something happening maybe.

>>56973997
I already exchanged them for things that have value.

>>56973982

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>>56974020
>>56974009
>>56973952
I mean theoretically, what's the worst that could happen if I go all in on TMF for a year.

>>56974033
Same, but I still hedge against the possibility it doesn't all go to crap. So far this side bet has paid off rather well. OK.. SURPRISINGLY well.

>>56974042
Hyperinflation, fed has to massively hike rates rapidly. Entire economy goes to shit. TMF gets absolutely beclowned but so does everything else.

Just watch the inflation numbers and as long as the talking heads say it's 2%/lower rates it's going up.

>b-buy our bonds goyim
>w-we're totally good for it!
Imagine going through years of schooling to become a behavioral psychologist, only to get a job at the Department of Homeland Security as a junk bond salesman working graveyard shift on an autistic anonymous cartoon frog forum. If I were that big of a failure, I would probably kill myself.

>>56974042
If you don't follow a stop like that 200 MA strat? Election year stimulus or some inflation-stoking war bullshit or Jay Powell wearing a red tie whipsaws this bond rally. The 10 year goes from 4% back to 5% or even 5.5%, causing a 30-40% loss in TMF.

>>56974056
Yeah, hyperinflation too.

>>56974065
These bonds already exist. They appreciate in value as interest rates change. Something about coupons. Jews love coupons.

>>56974042
Theoretical maximum loss is 100%

Ok I'm putting all my PODD gains into TMF tomorrow morning (letting the rest ride to $250 in PODD). Opportunity costs can not be wasted. Thank you anons.
I am preparing the anime girls now.

>>56974042
what other posters have said in addition to chop loss due to it being a leveraged etf

Finally get a new job with good pay (start monday).
Market booms before I can invest. Fuck.

>>56973792
>>56974017
Yep
The Cramer.

>>56974087
Ya know, I think if TMF hits -100% we really are in "You have bigger problems than your portfolio. Like securing drinkable water." territory.

Its ok bros. I'm evoking anime law. It has never failed me.

>>56974099
Banks were failing at 5%. Imagine if rates went to 10% lmao. It really would be some water wars tier shit.

>>56974095
Kind of. He can certainly mark microtops and peaks in Boomer investor sentiment, but it's not 100%. I'm talking "shoeshine boys" - Uber drivers, Tik Tokkers, your pothead cousin. Those types buy the secular top in trends.

I saw the Boogie financial audit and have watched a couple of the guy's videos now and holy shit these people's spending habits are giving me second hand panic attacks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZpWki2mOA4

>>56972606
test

Good morning sirs.

>>56974152
good morning sir. praise Vishnu

>futures

>>56974166
>year end fund flows and performance chasers squeezing into a hot market

>inflation still very high
>they're going to cut rates
Lmao they really want to make sure the proles can get 0% financing on the newest 90k truck before election time huh

>>56974179
I dunno prices do seem pretty stable for the last few months and gas steadily coming down. I haven't noticed any "omg I can't believe (insert random thing that doubled in price)" stories since the whole eggs thing months ago that only last a couple weeks

>>56972975
SHOT was shilled for 1 day though

>>56974202
Everyone confuses high price levels (relative to before) with high inflation.

>>56974030
>1990s
>dollar menu
>things actually a dollar
>items listed actually readable
>price actually readable
>friendly cashier to take your order, no tip requested

>2020s
>value menu
>horrible value
>menu items in tiny font, constantly rotating with animations and pictures of other menu items
>prices in barely legible font, smaller than small print, preying on people too impatient or shy to ask for the price of items they are interested in
>adversarial cashier, tip jar prominently placed or enabled on card reader

>>56974033
>>56974052
>Bobos think the market was retarded for anticipating rate cuts
>Jerome admits today there will be rate cuts in 2024
>Bobos are still being retarded
Face it Bobos you had your brief time under the sun and now it's over. Please stop being so fucking stupid and move on, please. You guys aren't as smart as you think you are, in fact you guys are MEGA STUPID

>Twitch allowing 'artistic nudity' when site's minimum age requirement for accounts is 13 years old

Bros, I think I will load up on AMZN calls, that shithole is just begging to get blacklisted by entire countries or even shut down by papa Bezos. A bunch of advertisers left YouTube during the adpocalypse of 2017 over those weird ass fetish videos with Spiderman and Frozen, obviously tricking kids into watching them iirc.

This is some Roman Empire decadence kinds of crazy shit happening, stocks are gonna moon but unemployment will soar too lol

>>56974232
I do think tech and the fagman stocks specifically are going to get some pullback just from money rotating out of them and into smallcap after the market heals and people go back to gambling on dumb shit. Really not my problem though just Jerome telling me to buy TMF no point in anything else

>>56974259
they probably just wont run ads on that content, simps more than make up for ad rev

>>56974262
Yeah but that just means the magnificent 7 deflate and the money moves to other parts of the market and broadens. Not even bullshitting but stocks in banks are looking good since they will reap the benefits of bonds and everything else. Small caps are going to grow like crazy when the cuts do happen.

>>56974273
nah, that shit won't last for long. Too many normies maxed their credit cards to shit, and we all know that the debt bubble is well over $1 trillion already and even niggas with shoe size IQs can see that shit blowing up to $2 trillion by 2024.

We are witnessing the golden age of streaming entering its twilight phase and I can't wait to profit from it all.

>>56974290
>Too many normies maxed their credit cards to shit, and we all know that the debt bubble is well over $1 trillion already
with ZIRP and us heading back there I think they are announcing 'debt doesn't matter, keep spending'

>>56974202
Oil has collapsed because industrial demand has collapsed. It has nothing to do with anything else, "cooling inflation" or other made up nonsense.

>futures

>>56974300
Oil is tanking because the COP20 shit and everyone pretending like fossil fuels are obsolete. Doesn't matter if it's true or not if every western country puts women and Jews on TV saying to short gas then gas goes down.

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>>56974166
>XOM holders

listening to Meddle by Pink Floyd rn

>>56973982
>>56974030
>>56974219
>>56973998
Lol ass blasted moomers and magafags.
Prices NEVER return in the long run.
Inflation is constant. That's why you invest and don't hold fiat.

>"HURRRRRR NEVA forget what they took. 10lbs of sugar was $0.50 in 1900!!!!"

>>56972606
Anons, it just occurred to me that I have to say goodbye to the person I am today, in order for me to say hello to the person I aspire to become

In other words I need to buy TLT

>>56974489
I'm with you.
>>56974316
yes maybe the oil stocks can drop off again, but i doubt it.

I hate women

>>56974545
who doesnt.

>futures

What are the best strategies for surviving hyperinflation now that the Fed has given up on its mandate to control inflation?

I'm going all in TMF tomorrow

>>56974567
Thats a pretty weak gooncave. Thats not really one at all. Thats just a PC with some pinups on the wall. Lazy.

>>56974567
very gay pic

>>56974567
very zoomer pic

SPY 600 cometh.

SOXL 50 EoW

>>56974783
>spy
what are you, too poor for spx?

>>56974619
>he bought the lie
Fed's job is to debase as fast as possible without the wagie slavie revolting.

>*TRADERS PRICE 150BPS OF FED RATE CUTS IN 2024 FOR FIRST TIME

Yesterday the Fed implied 75bps. Why do they think double will happen? Wtf is this?

Yields...

>Yurop gapping up

I hate mumu. At the start of the year I could buy 11 shares a month, now only 9

>>56974232
Yield curve re-steepening tho

Retarded market. One single data will be hot and then the narrative will change on a dime. I'm guessing jobs

>>56974299
Think you missed his point, retard. The debt expense means there is no more money for welfare and military.
And they can't just print more because that adds to the debt expense.
This clown world experiment ends soon.

>>56974959
75 was priced in when jay suggested 0 now jay is suggesting 75 so the markets pricing in 150

>>56975083
It's usually jobs/unemployment so you're probably right.
My guess is the reverse repo will run dry too. And the yield curve will go positive again.
You saw the move up yesterday right?

Lost about 2k today, thank me for playing. lol

Best part being OMX just hit my barrier and fell down below it again. Right on it. if I had picked 2367 I would have survived (for now).

I love my luck (nonexistent)

>>56975116
*but I picked 2366 :)

>>56974971
how long has the curve been inverted for now?

>>56975116
All because I couldn't just wait ONE more week. This is the third time this year I lost several K just because of 1 week impatience. And then it takes me 1-2 months to regain that loss. I love this fuckin retarded game.

It's like I'm cursed. And I actually know exactly why (a thing I said to somebody in regards to the capital I use)

WHY THE FUCK ARE MY TECH STOCKS AND ETFs PUMPING INTO OBLIVION

>>56975140
2 years or thereabouts.

>>56975140
The 2Y to the 10Y 515 days
3M to the 10Y 402

>MDAX +3.6%

Why didn't I hold?
This would have been 850 bucks, and another 1K on the overnights.
Why do missed profits feel worse than losses?

>invest 20k from waging over a year
>now have 60k
>sold it to get an apartment
thanks biz I've finally made it

>>56975140
Look closely, it's uninverting in a "bullish" way. Short terms are dropping (the drop is moving to the short side.)

>>56974567

Technicals like the RSI also appears to only work when it is green, not red.

Guys.... its pumping again

>>56975180
>apartment
"I've made it"
Lmao

>>56975195
>uninverting in a "bullish" way
How so?

>>56975207
>Technicals like the RSI also appears to only work when it is green, not red.
The rsi is a meme anyway because it gets recalculated based on how the stock goes. Look up how it gets calculated, I'm not even kidding. That's why rsi always looks good in the past but not when you're looking at it while the stock is moving

I hope that the germanon who shorted OMX didn't rope.

>>56975230
No, it's practically what I won by shorting the OMX. It's still annoying cause it wouldn't have happened if I waited one week.

I got really fucked by that delay. OMX suddenly pumping friday and monday, after all other indices just sleep.

>>56975211
Yeh. Doom bull confirmed to be back. The previous leg up could have been reasonably assumed to be a bear market rally but not this one. This one wants to go touch ath and probably a bit more before it slows.

>>56975242
Doom bull is good for Oil, right?

>>56975222
Yeilds dropping is bullish for bonds. The curve is uninverting and it's doing that by dropping.

>>56974959
>Wtf is this?
Euphoria

>>56975250
>Yeilds dropping is bullish for bonds

>>56975237
Good to see that you're still around.

My RYCEY stays SPYCEY

>>56975223
RSI is only useful if you have fundamentals to go along with it and even then it's pretty marginal.

>>56975248
Oil does oil stuff i dunno

>>56975257

>>56975264
>>56975264
>>56975264
>>56975264
>>56975264
baking

>>56975180
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>>56975258
Not gonna kill myself over money. If I die it's practically gone for me anyways. Yeah, could leave it to nephew and niece, but that's not my obligation. I'm fine with losing a little money, but it is the HOW I lose it. The fact I lose 5k in April in 1 week, 5k in June in 1 week and now 2k in 1 week and maybe more to come.

The 10k in midyear practically erased my gains from the march crash. And now I'm going to erase my gains from the sep-october crash and who knows how much more :)

>>56975250
For a moment there, I thought you weren't dumb.

>>56973554
That girl never tried cock yet, you can tell by her look and the swimsuit of the dike on her side. She’ll change idea, soon