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NATGAS AND OIL

America will never be the same bros. it's 100% completely, undeniably, indisputably over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKsxPW6i3pM

Passive-ing soxl

Markets and Bitcoin YTD highs
Interest rates Decades Highs
Credit card debts Decades Highs

GS financial conditions index 4 Decades lows
VIX new lows
Risk off new lows

>>56938241
9/11 absolutely fucked you guys mentally. It impacted pretty much everyone in the developed world but holy shit you cunts went fucking mental. I guess I can't blame you since you seemed like an absolutely invulnerable hyperpower in the 90s, but holy fucking shit mate.

It was actually pretty cool to see hard evidence of dividend relevance in the last thread

>>56938229
So why don't I just put in 100k to some 3x spy ETF then every 2.5 years approx take out 100k as it doubles and invest that into something safer and live off of that for forever? As long as SPY in general goes up over the next 2 - 3 or even 5 year period you are good to go with this. I haven't heard any good argument against this. Sure it's risky, if the market crashes in the next 2 years you might get fucked, it's a risk but in general how often is the market down in a given 2 year period? Just look at UPRO, TQQQ, or SPXL returns over the last 5 years. Sure, might not be that high going forward, but unless China invades Taiwan or some shit you should be good. Hell even if it does the US gov will just print more money to fund the war and stocks will probably dip then rally.

>>56938255
Why wouldn't we be at/near ATHs when monetary stock is at ATH?

I just burped. Please excuse me.

>>56938260
9/11 was done by the government with that being the intended outcome.

>>56938263
You must be new to this.
Leveraged ETFs, futures ETFs, short ETFs etc etc issue shares to cover the cost of maintaining the leverage. If you hold them overnight you lose money because of this.

>>56938270
Hot if female

>>56938263
Did you account for cap gains on the sale? I wonder if that would negate the profit vs buying and holding regular spdr

>>56938291
Was anyone here old enough to remember those videos of thousands of Israelis cheering it on because it meant we’d get involved in the Middle East? Even after all we’d done for them…

>>56938311
Only biologically. :(((

>>56938307
What does that mean? If i hold 3x spdr vs regular spdr and they both go up, would 3x spdr go up 3x as much? Its in the name i thiught the risk was that, it would go down even more, and not recover to same degree as expected

>>56938334
Don’t play with me like that. Describe your belch

>>56938263
or just leave it all in SSO forever

I kinda want to buy this lil nigga tqqq.. like 40k worth

>>56938263
Because holding leverage for long term will fuck you to zero

>>56938307
I'm new to leveraged ETFs and looking at YoY returns UPRO is up from $1 in 2009 to $48 now, so what am I missing? If you put money in then you would be up almost 50x.

>>56938322
Capital gains taxes when you sell? You are waiting over 1 year so it would be long term. I hadn't thought about that embarrassingly enough. Just been drinking tonight and considering this. Though even with capital gains my guess is 30% returns are so good, no dividends, 1% expense ratio, you are still generally up. You just have to take profits out, and be willing to suffer massive losses if the market crashes, possibly to near 0. But that's why I'd be investing on more a few year time scale then taking profit and going back in.

>>56938383

>>56938345
Intra day the 3x etf will go up 3x as much but from time to time it will drop a lot between sessions as whatever instrument they use for leverage expires and they have to buy new ones/hedges.

>>56938363
Long term yes, but investing 100k for 2-3 years, taking some profits, and going back in wouldn't. Even if one of the times you go in it goes to 0, doesn't matter because 30% returns are so crazy high. Well unless it's the first time you go in, but you can look at historical data and that seems unlikely. The theory goes in any 2-3 year period, you are more likely to make money investing in it that lose money, so after 2 - 3 years take profits and go back in. If you most of the time double your money and occasionally lose it all, long term you gain. I mean who knows in 50 years what the economy will look like, but this would have worked great the last 10 years.

>>56938263
Yes, almost all nominal gains are just monetary expansion, betting that USD will continue falling in value is a great bet, the only problems with LETFs are volatility decay and counterparty risk (they operate via swaps), BTC is a similar strategy while lacking volatility decay and counterparty risk. I use a simple conservative portfolio allocation strategy of 50% physical BTC, 50% QLD, with zero rebalancing.

>>56938427
>I use a simple conservative portfolio allocation strategy of 50% physical BTC, 50% QLD, with zero rebalancing.

>>56938389
>I'm new to leveraged ETFs
Then please paper trade them for at least a few months before you fuck yourself. Almost everyone who's new to them gets it wrong at least once because they're not intuitive.

>>56938255
My body is ready.

>>56938427
I'll look over counterparty risk of the swaps as I have no idea what derivatives they use to get 3x, but I wouldn't care about volatility decay as that seems more of an issue if the SPY isn't going up, but I expect it to keep increasing over the next 10 years or so (and likely longer).
So negatives are capital gains taxes from having to take profits, volatility decay, 1% expense ratio, and chance of a total market crash. But with near 30% rate of return it's so good I think if there is a less than 50% chance of either a market crash or spy crabbing for 2 - 3 years then this is a good play. I wouldn't put most of my money in it but maybe 20k and see what it does. If I was a millionaire I'd try this with 100k.

>>56938264
it was cool to see the anti divvie fags seethe

>He believes that the Fed will start cutting rates in March
You have got to be a complete midwit to believe this, especially if Ueda raises rates this month or next.

>>56938389
>I'm new to leveraged ETFs
clearly

>>56938482
>but maybe 20k
Put it in a Roth IRA and buy call options instead IMO. Then you have more direct control over what's going on and can see exactly how the decay is fucking you.

BOBOBros, i kneel to the mumus

>>56938475
Can't I just buy UPRO and hold for 2 years? I'm not going to enter / exit. I feel I'm missing something because this seems like such an obvious play. Let's say I knew 100% that SPY would be up 20% two years from today, wouldn't it be a no brainer to go into UPRO (maybe some crazy swings like going down 33% then going up 500% would break the strategy but that probably isn't possible as trading would pause). Now I would say I believe with a 60% chance SPY will be above what it is now in 2 - 3 years, so I should put 20k or so into this. If it goes to 0 it would hurt but wouldn't ruin me.
I think I'll just buy $1k of it tomorrow and track for a week to make sure I'm not missing anything, then go in.

>>56938517
Holding any kind of leveraged ETF for a year is absolutely insane.

Idk what it means but it’s provocative

>>56938489
UPRO is up 50x from 2009, so why don't you tell me which stocks you bought to be up 50x during that time period? Or tell me why I'm a retard instead of trying some passive aggressive female tier response.

>>56938522
I'm convinced they are shitposting and larping as retards

>>56938522
WHY I keep asking this question, I'm looking on youtube and asking chat gpt and can't get a good response.

>>56938531
>Picks individual out of population
>Says that its Z score implies mu is in the wrong spot
This is what you're doing right now.

b.1983. I was 18 in 2001. You went from a world where privacy was a sorta cherished thing to a world where "privacy? who gives a shat about that". Boarding an airplane was no big deal then after 2001 it was "oh hey we need to strip search you first" The whole girly men thing was seen as horrifying. Girls with loads of tats and piercings was not a thing either.

>>56938531
>>56938539
Decay you stupid nigger. Every single 'packaged' fund has fees and other bs involved that fucks you, you don't see it on what ever chart you're looking at as it isn't accounted for, you're just seeing opening/closing, not the fees.

>>56938547
It came out in 2009 so that is why I picked it. Yeah 2009 to now has been crazy for SPY, I'll look at it vs historical returns if it existed.

>>56938539
The people telling you not to hold LETFs are quite literally shills trying to prevent you from making money. Every single backtest proves them wrong, yet they continue to spew lies. I recommend the leveraged weed ETF, MSOX.
The DEA will reschedule weed to schedule 3 any day now, and it isn't priced in at all.

>>56938531
>UPRO
>nogainz since April 2021
>while SPY is +14%
OH NONONONONONONONO

>>56938566
It has 1% expense ratio. I'll just buy a few shares and watch it. I do feel like a retard because it seems like such an obvious play so I have to be missing something but can't find it.

>>56938488
the market is all in on a return to full on QE.
rate cuts would only be a byproduct.

>>56938539: >>56938398,>>56938363,>>56938307

They don't just multiply the price movement, it's more expensive than just holding the underlying if you're holding it for more than a day or so.
I don't know what else to tell you. If you ignore me and hold it on the time scales you're talking about you're going to lose a lot of money.

>>56938576

Weren't we promised that there would be a video update on the stock markets published this weekend?

>>56938567
Just do it and post your losses or gains in a year. Pussy

>>56938593
MSOX is legit
>3x leveraged MSOS

>>56938585
>UPRO
>lifetime average 30% YoY return
>SPY
>lifetime average 9%
But good job picking some random time that deviated from the average.

>>56938576
>dude weed will be legal
been a decade. Fucking Obama was supposed to be the weed guy, and that was 15 years ago. Trump passed the farm bill, buy vapes.
>>56938586
Write down every day at close what you expect it to open at. You'll dump it after a week.

>>56938591
>>56938594
I'm clearly too low IQ to understand, I'll put 1k in tomorrow and make a post on December 11th 2024 with my gains or loses.

>>56938617
Not legal, rescheduled from schedule 1 to 3. Legal would be bad as those dogshit Canadian LPs, and many other companies would be able to enter the US markets. Schedule 3 is the best case scenario for US weed stocks, this general will never make it because they are currently buying the top on crypto miners while ignoring the best risk/reward play of the year, perhaps decade.

>>56938628
That's at least a way better idea than 20k.
Godspeed.

>>56938585
You don’t hodl it, tard.

>>56938653
>Not legal
What's not legal? Vapes are Fed legal, weed isn't. State is up to the state, just like rape, abortion, etc.
99% of people are legally retarded.

I can't trade so i'm just going to dca into ARLP and ABR forever

>>56938668
>UPRO is up 50x from 2009, so why don't you tell me which stocks you bought to be up 50x during that time period?

So if I want to buy something for $40k, don't buy UPRO or SOXL? The fuck do I buy them

>>56938681
spdr ETFs or semiconductor ETFs.
Unless you think it's going to go up a lot in a day or two *then* you buy SOXL or UPRO if options are already too expensive.

>>56938681
>I wanted to beheem myself at 3 times the speed + decay
lmao if you don't know what to buy then don't put all your savings into it you absolute top signal

>>56938681
VTI = entire american stock market
VT = global stock market

>>56938681
I’m sold on soxl. That’s my bet. 3x the semis. And If that bets wrong then god help me

>BOIL down 7.7% since re-opening in the HOOD 24 hr markets
Looking forward to seeing my UNL and USL at 7am.

Hong Kong is kill

According to reddit, if the market is steadily going up, 3x ETF is better. But if its crabbing or trending down, non leveraged is better.

I dont understand if how the previous responses regarding rebalancing of hedges or issuing new shares is correct or relevant. I wpyld personally trust a redditor over a 4chudder

>>56938702
>>56938681
Unless you mean you literally don't know where to put your money.
Then just buy short term treasuries directly in a tax advantaged account and enjoy (nearly) risk-free 5+% return.

If UPRO, why not TQQQ?
If TQQQ, why not deep OTM TQQQ leaps?

>>56938760
>I wpyld personally trust a redditor over a 4chudder

Hahahahahha

>>56938774
>If TQQQ, why not deep OTM TQQQ leaps?
Still waiting on XXXX options.

Holy fuck look at bitcoin drop

>>56938784
This general and the reddit equivalent of wallstreetbets were both euphorically buying OTM calls on COIN and miners for the last week, it was obvious that was the top. Also BTC cycles always have a mini bullrun before the halving which results in a dump with the real bullrun starting post halving. /SMG/ was the top signal, as usual.

>>56938784
More Bobos than pink wojaks in the cacalogue, strange...

>>56938760
What he says and what we say are not mutually exclusive. Note the time scales in his post.

>>56938784
>>56938805
what's the news? Is this bullish for stocks?

>>56938784
THA
BARTING
IS BACK

HANG SANG COMPUTER CHING CHONG BING BONG BING

oh good satiety finally kicked in
I thought I was going to eat all of my sausages

>>56938586
Retards here think it's a sector bet like SOXL or an actual don't-hold-long-term deal like BOIL or UVXY.

They're not even ready for the majesty of XXXX.

>>56938838
Don't bring BASED BING into that chink shit.

>>56938816
I dumped my COIN holdings last week. I'm pretty sure I called the exact top.

>>56938680
I’m on your side, but you gotta swing that shit, not check it once a year.

>>56938774
Based von Neumann leveragoooor

>>56938727
You have to check it every say and swing it. Can’t lose.

>>56938838
JING DONG PING PONG: -4.5%

>>56938784
BRING WOOD AND OIL

>>56938805
Cryptofags deserve to lose everything.

Should I buy natural gas tomorrow or what

>dat steady Oil recovery

>>56938829
Probably a margin called Chinaman.

>>56938932
Fuck no, it might be a while.

>>56938939
>Nooooo, the life blood of the global economy can't be rising in price!

>>56938681
Get some more money up and buy the royalty rights to picrel

OHHH WADDA FAUCK ARI BABA GO DOWN CHING CHAONG BING BONG HOWA COMA DA ARIA BABA GO DOWN

>>56938972
Just like KO and BTI kill divvyfags, BABA kills the >muh P/E crowd.

>not majority owner of japanese skyscraper REIT to hold fight club with other SMG anons on roof of building

>>56938965
There are people ITT who unironically believed it would go straight down to $50 lmao

>futures

>>56938965
It either stays above $70 or the CIA will kill more South American politicians until it's back there.

>>56938972
Please stop being raycyst.

>>56938681
VOO

CHING CHON AMERICAH IA VERY SOWY HOWA YOU WANT MY RITHIUM METARS CHING CHONG BING BONG

>China futures

Why is futures and btc dropping? What happened?

Imagine 3600 by 25

>>56938784
fug, guess I have to jump through all the hoops for my crypto account again. Is coinbase still the best place to buy BTC in the USA outside of ATMs?

>>56939042
Feast your eyes on our most recent and racist posts:
>>56939024
>>56939017
>>56938972
>>56938918
>>56938838

>>56939080
Them or Kraken seem like the only places left.

>>56939089
Yeah, they're alright. Could be better in my opinion.

>He posted.

>>56938539
>50x in 15 years
If the market ever crashes you will need a 900x or more to recover a leveraged ETF.

>>56939117
Yeah, you don't put everything in it and you take profits.
>10k goes in in 2009
>10k shares
>every year sell 250 shares
The only reason I see against this is "if the market crashes" which is why in my original proposal I said you invest for 2 - 5 years at a time. Then take profits and reinvest original principal or slightly more. How often does the market crash enough for it to go to nothing?
>before covid UPRO was $38
>COVID crash: $13
>2009 price: $1
You are still way up after the covid crash.

>>56939178
50x

>>56939196
Ok, please tell me if I am getting this wrong and I'm retarded, I'll happily take it.
>UPRO is $1 in 2009
>UPRO is $48 in 2023
What am I missing here? I can't tell if you are trolling or saying I'm correct.

gimme stock I can buy tomorrow and swing for massv gain

ALL HANDS ON DECK THIS IS NOT A DRILL

>>56939227
>>56938547

>>56939042
NIGGERS AND JEWS
son,
NIGGERS AND JEWS

>>56939230
Doesn't Costco have earnings this week?

>>56939246
Bro I can't help myself. $1k is going in tomorrow hopefully it will make me understand.

>>56939227
Bro I’m with you. I’ve been in the same mindset and couldn’t find ANY reliable proof of it not being a good investing strategy other than angry shills on line or “muh decay”. Soxl makes gains and if it goes to 120 and I don’t sell when they stock split. I’m selling my house and buying more at the bottom. I like semis ever since I was playing cs1.3 and wanting a better graphics card. And graphic cards, I was thinking about this the other day, still have so much further to go

>>56939262
Yeah, Cramer said if you're holding it not to sweat it.

It's literally over tomorrow isn't it bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkUo2sPe4Fk

>>56939271
Nice.
I wish I had the margin for more shorts.

>>56939227
Does that 09 price account for splits?

>>56939291
I watched soxl split at the top. Nothing happened. I’m just now realizing that’s their way of letting you know it’s time you can sell half your bag at least after split then try and reown for cheaper price

>>56939076
I can believe that. Whats the best way to short bitcoin from the stock market. Short Coinbase to the ground?

Oil Barrons. A recovery is possible.

>>56939268
Thanks dude. I'm probably just putting in 1k for the next month or so to make sure I"m not missing something stupid then going in for more.

Please rate this portfolio 10/10. It is a 10-year hold for 10x gains and today is Dec. 10.

Coupang (CPNG)
V. Galactic (SPCE)
Block (SQ)

This is what a consolidated diverse portfolio looks like. It is contrarian but solid. The risky one is the second stock but it has the highest likelihood of meme movement to capture in the interim.

>>56939373
>wasting money instead of actually looking up public information
keep waving your flags and shit

WHY IS CHINA STILL CRASHING

>Chinese exports to US down -20% from peak already

Bros, is this the fabled deflationary death spiral I've heard about months ago finally happening?

>>56939470
China's fucking dead. It's fucking over.

>>56939470
Because Freedom will always win in the end

>>56939278

Started watching that and I'm so fucking hungry right now.
I should never watch anything cooking related before I need to hit the bed.

>>56939470
China is fake and gay, son,
FAKE AND GAY

>>56939470
Just look at their company names. Why would ANYONE want to buy
>PIN DOO DOO
Who would want to buy DOO DOO!?!?
>TEN CENT
If the company is called TEN CENT why do their products cost so much?
>ALI BABA
This company must be ran by babies. Who else would make such a rediculous name
>BILLY BILLY
Every Billy I know is lazy! This company must produce nothing of value

>>56939534
>>ALI BABA
These guys never patch their machines. You can practically walk right into their network.

>>56938586
If you gain 10% of 100, you have 110. If you lose 10% of 110, you lose 11. This is only exacerbated by leverage.

>>56939528
Yeah leaves you with a real urge for some lobster brain and shark fin soup.

>>56939551
99% of anons will not get this joke. I'm shifting my portofolio to 99% puts on this posts's reply ratio.

>>56939391
>The risky one is the second stock but it has the highest likelihood of meme movement to capture in the interim.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/04/virgin-galactic-shares-plunge-in-premarket-after-branson-rules-out-further-investment.html

SPCE is in a GME situation. Or AQB. Or whatever other impending bankrupt stock springs to mind.

>>56939551
>>56939592
idgi

>>56939551
Thanks for taking the setup

>CPI Tuesday
>PPI & FOMC Wednesday

yeah I'm cashgang until Thursday bros

>>56939707
When's the last time one of these events had any real impact on the market?

>>56939707
Will the fed talk about China?

>>56939744
anytime any of those numbers surprise or Powell speaks it's a major market mover

>>56939760
No
>picrel

>>56939568
Yeah, that is true if the S&P 500 were keeping at around the same price. The key is it isn't, it's gaining 9% per year. So though if it stays the same you lose, if it gains you gain more. That is what makes it make sense. I agree if SPY opened 2024 at 450 and started 2025 at 450 it's bad. But if it opens 2024 at 450 and ends at 490 it's not.

>>56939789
Sometimes in their minutes they talk about Gina

>>56939805
Don’t listen to these guys trying to scare you away from LETFs. A lot of your assessments of them have been correct. There is huge upside potential holding them longer than a year but you have to keep in mind two very important things. The underlying asset has to be going up in price fast enough to outpace the drag caused by the decay, and if you hold through a crash you basically go to $0. If you had held UPRO since 09 you would’ve made 48X and don’t let them tell you otherwise

>>56939609
Jewish lore

China is up next, i would not pay attention to some small stock price crashes

From the moment I understood the weakness of my unleveraged equities, it disgusted me. I craved the gains and certainty of leverage. I aspired to the purity of the 3x Bull ETF. Your kind cling to your dividends, as though they will not decay and fail you. One day the crude index you call the Shit and Piss 500 will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Leverage is immortal… Even in death I serve the Neon Greenissiah.

>>56939852
Cheers that is exactly my thoughts.

Bros, Business Insider lied to me. I don't think we achieved "economic nirvana" at all...

>>56939889
Oh we achieved it. But it's more the "Kurt Cobain with a shotgun" type of "Nirvana".

>>56939888
If you really want to be ballsy you can try buying puts on inverse LETFs. Then the decay is actually working for you. SQQQ historical has lost ~60% of its value a year and even in years where the NASDAQ tanks SQQQ doesn’t see sustained price increases for longer than a few months

Shill me the next ×100

You guys are nuts if you think UPRO is not the right pick here for the next 10 years
Just fucking keep buying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI383uEwA6Q

>FDI in China fell into the negative in Q3 2023 for the first time ever

What did they mean by this bros?

>Panic sold 3K Macys $17
>3 days later Macys get bid for $21 takeover

Help me, I dont know who to rage at, myself or market.

>>56939921
It’s an intriguing idea but the lack of liquidity kills your ability to get into and out of this trade profitably. Looks at January expiration SQQQ, there is no volume

>>56939932
kek

>NATGAS still droopin

>>56938361
How do I play with tqqq. Describe it like I'm a retard (which I am)

>>56940015
I tried to find a news story on this and the article can’t seem to explain it correctly. Does this mean that China has done more foreign direct investment into other countries than it has received, or has FDI in China just collapsed?

>>56940077
I'm glad you asked anon. The first very important step is to not buy TQQQ. If you make a mistake and buy some by accident, be sure to sell it by clicking the "sell" button in your brokerage website during market hours. If you even can.

>>56939932
ai dashcams and security cameras for school buses and public transits including trains

>pre-emptive AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

They sell Rainer at SF bay area Safeways now. Your days are numbered PNW bhenchods.

>futures

>BOIL down nearly 10% after re-opening in the HOOD 24 hr markets

>>56940183
KEK
yep, spot on

DXY

how do i get rich quick trading? any beginner tutorials/series recommended?

>why is holding leveraged etfs bad long term
google my niggers god damn
most leveraged etfs reset / rebalnce their position daily in order to achieve the leveraged long or short result and depending on how often they do their reset you should adjust how long you hold them
if you hold UPRO for more than a day then you will be holding a UPRO with two different positions on two different days, they change what they hold in order to achieve this 3x long of SPY every day
the decay which people talk about is a sneaky cunt and i think is the reason UPRO is not a clean 3x YTD compared to the S&P 500
what is decay for a leveraged etf - if the S&P 500 drops 1% UPPRO drops 3%, if the S&P 500 recovers 1% the next day and UPRO recovers 3% as well and UPRO is now lagging behind the S&P 500 over the course of 2 days and whoever held that for 2 days lost money
to visualize it lets take each at 1000, S&P 500 drops 1% and goes down to 990, recovers 1% and is now at 999.9
UPRO drops 3% and is now at 970, recovers 3% and is now at 999.1
a second 1% day in the correct direction for your leveraged ETF will outperform the non leveraged ETF but if the 3rd day goes in the wrong direction, for example red day for S&P 500 your 3x UPRO is again performing worse than the S&P 500.
a leveraged etf like that can massively increase your gains, or losses, in a longer run in either direction but if you hold it like a normal ETF odds are you will not get the 3x returns that you expect over a longer term and you'll have to dig into how it performed every day to see where it started lagging, odds are a series of days in the wrong direction are the cause
finally you get a way higher fee than a normal etf, SPY is at 0.09% and UPRO is at 0.92%, see the daily reset - someone gets paid to do that
i might be wrong for somethings but its fucking 6 am here you stupid cunts and i need to sleep, feel free to google what i said and tell me i am retarded

>>56940031
Did you know in advance your Macy's stop would be 17 or only when it started plunging?

>>56940243
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue7iMBfwkr8

But be warned, if it were easy, 97% of retail traders wouldn't fail to beat SPY.

I'm a baggie down 50%, investing again for the upswing is probably a bad idea right guys?

>>56940275
>if you hold it like a normal ETF odds are you will not get the 3x returns that you expect over a longer term
That's absolutely correct. The primary argument in favor of your TQQQ's and your UPRO's and your XXXX's is that 2.9x or 2.8x or, hell, 2.5x returns still beat 1x. And most LETF /smg/gers are willing to accept the volatility that entails in exchange for the time to retirement it saves them.

>>56940310
Depends. What are you holding? Why do you expect it to go up? What do you think the market isn't seeing? When will the market see it?

Economy is just poor people serving the rich, how do even people live with this? I personally don't like it too much

>>56940344
The alternative systems tend to fall apart or be awful for one reason or another.

Consider: should you be running a company if you can't even get your life together enough to save a few hundred bucks? Well, under, say, communism you can.

Which is great for you and any of your friends you loop into the deal. But shit for anyone relying on your business to, you know, do business.

>yields

my lil 10-2 doin a lil sum sum

This is my first time in a stock thread in 7 years on /biz/. Do you guys own Link too? Or do you just buy shares of stocks?

>>56940389
professional gambler

>>gamestop stock destroys the entire western economy

Could Archegos be the next Lehman Brothers trigger? I smell Great Depression 2.0 on the horizon KEK

>>56940275
Bitch tell all that shit to my +113% ytd holding SOXL and UPRO

>>56940405
qrd? i'm not caught up on GME drama

>>56940558
pic related

qrd we are fucked unless something is done by 12/15

>>56940405
kek baggie

>>56940275
Chainlink, ticker: LINK

>>56940383
Which futes instrument are the yields again?

>>56940405
bro you are mentally ill and in need of help

>>56938774
>Sell monthly puts on QQQ to gain premium
>Use some of the monthly premium to buy OTM TQQQ calls
>Use some of the monthly premium to buy OTM TQQQ puts
Literally that easy.

>>56940626
guess we find out on friday.

>>56939089
I think you meant “squint your eyes”, anon

>>56940626
Printing a €1 trillion coin fixes this

>>56940674
When the music stops, yeah I guess we all need the help

I can't believe bears are still doomposting lmfao jesus christ they got so anally rekt this year

>>56940835
It's gotten even more desperate and pathetic by bringing up GME in their doom posting thesis...

is it ok to invest on payday ?

If people get salary once a month they get the cash on payday and rush to buy stocks right. And the prices go up a little bit because of it. No ?

>A 1934-Style Packard Motor Car Will Soon Be Rolling Off A Production Line In Ohio Again

making cars to fit in the Great Depression 2.0, I love this timeline hahahahahahahahahaha

>>56940289
When it pulled back a dollar, I got spooked. I was stuck coming in at $12 only for it to bottomed out to $10 in less than a week.

Im happy to recover a previous $11K deficit courtesy of Tesla, but this could have been a nicer break.

If the swap obligation is 31,000 times the stock's market cap and a stag hunt occurs, the consequences without government intervention could be catastrophic for the global economy:

>Market Meltdown
The massive demand for a limited number of shares would trigger a short squeeze of unprecedented proportions. The stock price would skyrocket to unsustainable levels, potentially leading to a complete market meltdown.

>Financial System Collapse
The failure of UBD and other heavily involved institutions could trigger a domino effect, leading to the collapse of financial institutions and a broader financial crisis.

>Global Recession
The combined effects of market meltdown and financial crisis could lead to a global recession.

>Loss of Confidence
The crisis could erode investor confidence in the entire financial system.

>Long-Term Damage
The economic and social scars of such a crisis could last for years, requiring significant time and effort to rebuild trust and restore stability.

Ramifications for Citadel and Archegos:

Citadel:

>Legal Ramifications:As the creator of synthetic naked shorts,Citadel could face significant legal consequences,including hefty fines,penalties,and even criminal charges against individuals involved.This could lead to the company's collapse and severe reputational damage.

>Investor Lawsuits:Citadel could face lawsuits from investors who suffered losses due to its actions.

>Social Backlash:The company could face public backlash and criticism for its role in the crisis,further damaging its reputation and potentially impacting its business operations.

Archegos:

>Legal Exposure:Archegos could face legal challenges from its counterparties and regulators for engaging in risky and potentially fraudulent activities.This could lead to criminal charges.

>>56940916
Holy shit get the fuck out of this thread you schizo faggot

>PREIT (Pennsylvania Real Estate Investment Trust) files for Chapter 11 protection in Delaware

lmao rip bozo

>futures

https://youtu.be/Gz-QYN_Kl6g?si=WmZgmY8vDp8vijbZ

Expanding on the post from yesterday and pic related.
>Portfolio 1: 100% SPY
>Portfolio 2: 50% SSO + 50% SDS
>Portfolio 3: 50% UPRO + 50% SPXU

Some things which are interesting
>This only works WITHOUT rebalancing.
This is because the winning arm of the bet goes exponential and the losing arm of the bet goes to zero. If you rebalance, you are continually putting money into an asset trending to zero.
>Portfolios 2 & 3 perform exactly the same if the performance of the S&P500 is completely inverted.
In the case where the S&P is trending downwards, UPRO will go to zero and SPXU will go exponential.
>It's essentially like buying a long straddle option.
Where the TER is the cost.
You make money as long as the price is sufficiently different from what it was when you purchased it (fast enough to overcome fees).

Sooo Cigna jumped 6% immediately at German Open

Do you think it'll go up more during us open?

anyone know the address of the boiltard who has been shilling a deathtrap for months now? No specific reason for asking.

>China Stocks Rebound As ETF Volumes Suggest Buying By State Fund - BBG

They will absolutely not let this fakemarket die, lol.

Market crash like 1929 on Wednesday btw.

>>56941071
I wonder how this shitshow will end, assuming they will keep kicking the can kek

>>56941085
post your face

>>56940992
I'll backtest a properly developed strategy involving this idea later. And also test on synthetic data.

For now, pic related is the performance of one of these bets for different purchasing times.
Looks like long holding periods are required.

The pessimistic view is this is just buying UPRO with the extra step of throwing half of your money in the shredder first.

>>56940950
no
>>56941094
this isn't tinder bro

What the fuck happened to the Hang seng? It looks like the economy in china is fucking dead, but chinks are still spending dosh for EV and phones, so I don't get it

>>56938653
What about psychedelics? I still have low 5 figures in a certain Canadian psychedelic meme stock that I’ve written off, but I would be pleasantly surprised if it made a rebound.

Am I banned? Why is nothing posting.

>>56941148
cuz they are desperate to get away from the inevitable deflationary spiral of death

>Germoney finally red
heck yeah

Not even once a dump. EU can't dump, they simply can't. They own no stocks.

Bitcoin moves up; so does (SQ)
S. Korea population ages; they order more food (CPNG)
Lots of people buy a stock because they heard about it in the news or from a peer group (SPCE)

My analysis is 10x worthy; give it 10 years and this will outperform those leveraged ETFS. Buy and hold good or memeworthy companies.

>Bank of Japan officials see little need to rush into scrapping the world’s last negative interest rate this month as they have yet to see enough evidence of wage growth that would support sustainable inflation, sources say

Can anybody logically explain this? They have inflation above target goal (2%) and want higher wages for sustainable inflation and only then will hike? Their inflation is already higher than 2%, how will wage increases bring it down to 2% for them to hike then?

>>56941219
>S. Korea population ages; they order more food (CPNG)
Aging population has no retirement funds and working as a senior in SKor is basically impossible. They will not be spending more for luxuries like food delivery. Not saying CPNG isnt a good buy, but I don't agree with your reasoning.

Yo, Macys is being bid for $21 a share, which totaled to about 5.8B. However, that is very lowball; the RE assets alone is worth est 6-8B.

There will be a spike, but you think it will stay after the bid failed?

I really should start trading futures. The market has been following the crypto moves over the weekend. If I had a futures account it would be free money to go short right now. Tomorrow is going to be a -1% day.

>>56941219
>Bitcoin moves up; so does COINBASE
>S. Korea population ages; they use more healthcare services
>Lots of people buy a stock because they heard about it in the news or from a peer group, blackrock, Sachs and Schwab rise
FTFY

>>56941293
That is fair. My argument was a bit of a stretch. I do like how much of the population they have as regular customers though and the companies move into profitability was pretty impressive. I'd imagine that if they can retain their customer count and raise margins over the next few years the company will gain some serious traction.

>>56941320
Coinbase is based. I just missed the big move and I'm not sure whether it is a good time to start a position.
Coupang has a pretty sick gross revenue and they utilize cash / capital well.
SPCE is a pipe dream but mark my words; it will make an upward move.

>>56941300
Tomorrow will be such a hard coinflip. I thought wrong about inflation for October.
As stupid as it sounds, 0,1% could lead to a pump, dump or stayign flat tomorrow.

September 2021 was 5,4%
September 2022 was 8,2%
October 2021 inflation was 6,2% and October 2022 7,7%.
November 2021 was very high (6.8%) which is why November 2022 was 7,1%
December 2021 was 7,0%, which is why December 2022 was 6,5%.

So end of 2022 inflation went down, but only because inflation in end of 2021 ramped up. The numbers for 2022 seemed to be lowering, but inflation was actually still pretty high and only appeared lower because of yoy effect.

This is why we suddenly dropped from 3,7% in September 2023 to 3,1% in October 2023 as now we have to compare against a very strong inflation of 2022.

All fucked up numbers.

>>56941338
>Coinbase is based. I just missed the big move and I'm not sure whether it is a good time to start a position.
Kek just buy it, that shit will go up AT LEAST until BTC reaches new ath

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOMP

>>56941300
>Tomorrow is going to be a -1% day.
-1% the day before CPI seems like a stretch. We always crab before releases.

>>56941455
I don't think inflation matters quite as much as it used to, now eyes are more on demand.

>>56939852
>If you had held UPRO since 09 you would’ve made 48X and don’t let them tell you otherwise
Obviously that's the case but you're cherry picking buying at the bottom of one cycle and selling at the top of another one whereas going in now you're likely buying near (possibly at) the top of a cycle.
This is what I meant with >>56938547. You're being payed a risk premium, you're not getting money for free.

no dumps guy, illegal.

Fuckin burgers, gulping everything down.

>>56941501
Nothing fuckin matters, jobs report bad? = cut = pump
Jobs report good? Economy strong = pump

We are back to everything is good after 3 months of everything bad.

What is this threads opinion on 70:30 MSCI World:MSCI EM

What is this threads opinion on S&P 500

we're almost reaching ath with the Hang seng down the toilet. wtf is this market?

>>56941540
>>56941501
China fuckin dying also doesn't matter anymore, as now they probably just draw money out of china and put it into US and EU. No matter the effect a shitty chinese economy has on EU and US business. Just put the money where you think you can squeeze money out easier.

>>56941547
You fell for the "china is tumbling down is a meme" meme, huh?

>>56941555
But china tumbling down appears to be a meme as it appears to not matter. Except if you bought China, then you lost. But even they are trying desperately to keep their market up>>56941071

Hahahahahahahahahaha

Bears unironically thought China ever mattered. Lmfao. Biggest retards on the fucking planet.

Did I say I was up 113% ytd? Now it's 115%. Lick my BALLS.

>>56941566
>Deletion of a significant part of global production doesn't matter.
Manufactured goods are quickly getting expensive enough that it's making sense to build things yourself.

ASML bros... Why can't we stop winning?

this general is beginning to read like /GME/

>>56941593
Why?

>>56941570
Take profit

>>56941575
Hey yo, I thought it would matter at least one bit. Especially for europe, less so for the US. But it doesn't seem to.

>>56941599
>Just sell bro!!!! Sell now!!!
If I had listened to you retards when you were saying this last year I'd never be up this much.

Wonder how that fag who insisted everyone sell their SOXL when it was $18 is doing lol

>TFW you realize you don't need to leverage yourself to death if you just use gigantic amounts of money to buy stocks

>cigna

>>56941668
>Read news
>Good news about company
>Buy immediately
>Sell at profit days later
Name a SINGLE (1) flaw with this strategy

>>56941684
It's priced in by the time you read the news.

>>56941787
>It's priced in by the time you read the news.
That's a meme that's literally untrue. Past examples for the past few weeks:

>Cigna announces buyback on Sunday
>Stock +5% immediately at open, currently STILL +5% more and climbing

>AMD AI event
>Stock +10% throughout the day AFTER the event

>Google announces bard
>Stock +5% the day AFTER the announcement

>Bayer loses billion dollar lawsuit, most of the stock already dropped on Friday beforehand but it falls a FURTHER 10% throughout the week

And so on. You work with the brainlet tier assumption that literally everybody in the stock market is smarter and faster than you, which turns into a self fulfilling prophecy kek

>>56941820
>Google announces bard
Meant Gemini ofc, not bard

>office christmas party in 2 days
>accidentally told my work-best-friend that I like one of the new female coworkers

I will probably do something stupid again, how do I hedge against this financially speaking?
I'm the office party anon if anyone remembers, last time my boss thought it was funny but this time the big boss and all higher-ups are there too.

>>56941900
I would skip this one if I were you...just to reset things again. You'll be sure they'll be some banter about you

>>56941820
Cigna would’ve been flat though if they hadn’t caused a sell off by announcing a potential merger with Humana which created a buying opportunity (I took it); that they cancelled a week later to buyback shares instead.
My strategy here was just buying “quality” on a pullback.

>>56941647
That's what leverage is. Lend money/more capital.

>>56941900
Qrd on last office party?

>>56941930
brought schnaps (that was a mistake according to rocker) and got so drunk that I pulled my penis out at some point climbed on the roof and started insulting everyone

>>56940415
cherry picking data points works until it doesnt anon
SOXL is 1/3 the price of its high in 2021 / 2022 while SOX is 4% away from its high in 2021 / 2022
congratz on holding it through a good year but you have been absolutely destroyed if you held it from the end of 2021 or the start of 2022 while SOX is about to reach its ATH again
UPRO can't reach its 52 week high after the bull run over the last month and a half where the S&P 500 has been green 6 consecutive weeks in a row and got a new 52 week high, UPPRO is 35% away from its ATH while the S&P 500 is 3.4%

>>56941934
What do we learn from this? Don't drink anons

>>56941934
Ahh yeah i remember it now.
In that case you should probably quit your job and just search something new.

Is the legal to own a jetpack in the US, what would be the logistics of owning one?

How is it that the UK is the only market, that acts like a sovereign market? It's impressive.

>>56941942
None of what you're saying matters at all if you aren't an impatient faggot. I get that some people have the time horizon of a goldfish but unless semiconductors as a sector go tits up there's literally no chance that holding SOXL long term is a bad play

>>56941989
>as long as the one thing that will destroy my position does not happen i'm good
yes anon, how have the people making decisions worth hundrends of billions of dollars not come up with your amazing strategy is something we'll never understand
at least you got the infinite money cheat code right

>>56942013
I mean if you can give me a real reason why literally the entire semiconductor industry will fail any time soon then you'll have a point, otherwise it's just more retarded bearish hand wringing

Beautiful. Oil is dumping after today's small and brief relief. I expect Brent to hit 67 soon enough.

>NVDA

>>56942034
it does not have to completely fail, SOX needs to drop 33% and SOXL will be worthless
>well a 33% drop is unheard of
DJIA dropped 22.6% in a single day on black monday
the compounding efffect of consecutive loser days is what is called decay on a leveraged etf and every bull run will have a bit of a pull back at some point where leveraged etfs start to lag the index massively, if you dont understand this and dont hedge against it you will lose compared to the index on a long enough time frame

Is Pfizer going out of business?

>instant reslurp

>>56940961
Ah shit I live in that state.

>futures

give me tickers smg so i can check them out and then compliment or bully you.

>>56942201
>you mean deez?
ppl ITT think they understand markets, kek

>>56942267
you have autism

>>56942282
u jelly?

>>56942267
yes anon, the end is nigh

>>56942246
LLAP
AGNC
UNG

>>56942267
>-0.13%
Holy shit it's UNIRONICALLY OVER

>>56942327
>thinks he is part of the conversation
you should lurk more

>>56942267
>ppl ITT think they understand markets, kek
says the guy posting delayed quotes from yahoo finance

>>56942092
Lol screencapped so I can bring this back around when SOXL is double where it is now

>>56942344
I didnt claim anything regarding my own understanding. But i do understand that there is nothing to understand, don't need tradingview or a paid for subscription service to understand that
>lets hear some TA copium

>>56942364
i really do hope it doubles anon and you make bank but even a 2x from now is not enough to recoup the losses from 2022 as it needs to 3x to do that
you don't seem to understand this part of holding leveraged products

>>56942371
i agree and also enjoy laughing at the TA nerds and newsletter paypigs

>>56942378
you sound like you frequent the buttcoin subreddit

>>56942378
Anyone who held through last year and never averaged down is a complete fucking retard

>>56942389
>TA nerds
More like superstitious teens kek. Literally the only useful "TA" metric is volume and that alone is not enough to decide anything

>>56942412
I didn't have the money to average down. Now I have a much better job and can afford to invest every week.

>>56942378
My average is still 32$ anon.
I would love to talk a bit to lum poster or David Soxl if you know what i mean.

>>56940853
>If people get salary once a month they get the cash on payday and rush to buy stocks right. And the prices go up a little bit because of it. No ?


Retail investors don't matter and not everyone gets paid on the same day.

>>56942411
i dont know what that means
>>56942412
>anyone who did not have a crystal ball to predict the future is a fucking retard
there are faster ways to make money off of the stock market with a crystal ball than holding a leveraged etf, don't waste your time with that

>>56942319
LLAP is going down and sideways. not sure has it turned up already. not a buy imo but not terrible.

AGNC looks bad. it recently made a lower low compared to last years low. the latest low was close to covid low so thats not a good sign. short term it seems bullish but bigger trend has been down. pretty bad.

UNG looks bad. from feb went sideways and then broke down. terrible long but maybe a short. no idea about commodity behaviour.


result: two badish charts so moderate bullying is advised.

>>56942453
Come on man, you didn't need a crystal ball last year to see that things were hopelessly oversold, driven by a bunch of doomer bear retards buying puts from Cramer-types. Surprise, more than one study has proved that point.

AEX (netherlands) closed?

Baker do the needful...

>>56942467
look at the S&P 500 chart in 2020 september to 2021 september - surely it is hopelessly oversold right ? i mean look at it and the SOXL charts, it CANNOT go any lower!
exactly 1 year later september 2022 it is lower
nothing is "too oversold" to stop it from going lower until it hits 0
again, if you don't know how to make money with a crystal ball that predicts the future just ask google

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>>56941934
You're incompatible with alcohol at office parties.
That you still have a job means they really value you.
>>56941961
Now is about the worst time to do this. Starting up the search is probably a good idea.

friend it's called crypto yes, it will change the world, friend.
nation states can't control it, it can't be manipulated, it's your freedom, man.
it's the perfect store of value, bro, it's a hedge against inflation, trust me on this one okay.
Brother this is a once in a century event, perhaps rarer, it is a total reform of the global economic system