/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>56922782
Most of us have become friends and we have our discord telegram matrix and twitter groups we chat in
t huge fukn anime titties meme guy

>>56922782
Most sold in 2020 for ETH/BTC and are now out living life. The remaining linkies know they fucked up, hence them being so aggressive and emotional.

still here. ask me anything.
shall we talkgold days

>>56922798
^
>>56922782
You're interacting with people who bought the link marine's bags during the 2020 ath in sats, and the 2021 ath in usd.

The marines dumped when Sergey started dumping.

>>56922799
so im a new LINKie, but I have been here in 2017/2018. i do remember the memes being a lot of better. i also remember being in the original ICO threads. everyone in those were comfy as hell. wish, i had bought then. still good times watching everyone.

some of us are still here
>casual sibos toilet enjoyer
nulinkies are a different breed though

>>56922798
No they didn’t. There was that 1 guy that sold at $18 and was blasted by everyone saying how foolish he was to sell so early. The great majority barely sold anything. They are the ones FUDing now because they are so jaded.

>>56922782
>Are they all gone?
don't think so, personally I just lurk never interact because the fud has devolved in to fudders projecting their cuck fetish or trying to tie their shitcoin to link by showing of their folio with link and shitcoin #5432

>>56922797
Doubt

>>56922782
Chainlink broke them, the opportunity loss has been so massive.
During the last 4 years, you have had BTC at $4K, Ethereum at $300, there has been so many new alt-coins that have done a x100, the NFT craze - a lot of people made serious money off of that.
Chainlink had it's moment from 11 cents to $3.5; since then it has been a fairly poor investment compared to what else you could have bought in the crypto space.

Now those OG link holders that still hold are becoming demoralized, there is real despair there. For instance in Spring SOL and LINK was on pair, each costing $12, now LINK is $16 and SOL is $75, surely there is a voice inside peoples head that say "if i had just sold my SOL for Link back then..".
Then there is the coping, it is the same coping you see in XRP (another terrible investment over the last 5 years), instead of tadmitting they missed the LINK for SOL trade (as well as the 1000s of other trades they could have bought), they argue it's a long term investment - and to get around the obvious issue that they could have had a significant larger LINK stack if they had bought other things in the short to medium term, they engage in the only cope that would negate such action; "It could explode, one day Big Banks/Swift/whatever is gonna announce they are using it and the price will go to the moon before you can react, therefor i can't risk to ever not be in LINK (or XRP)".

The Fact of the matter is that investing in crypto is hard, everyone knows the crypto market will grow, everyone knows some coins will die. Picking those that will do great is difficult, avoiding dead traps is difficult..
Predicting the success of DOGE and SHIB was extremely difficult while avoiding other PnD "animal tokens". What went wrong for XMR, LTC, BCH? in hindsight these things may be obvious, but at the time they are not..

tl.dr semi-coherent rant.

>>56923355
people like these, and the other raging FUDcucks in here are why i still bother coming to biz sometimes

i can't be bothered reading his paragraph of seethe after the first sentence, but i know that this FUD spammer missed out because he was waiting for general access with some piddly stack and now he has missed out completely
they will never live it down lmao

>>56923355
LINK is pretty much hated across all channels, except on biz. However biz is an anonymous forum, so that makes me think it is mostly advocates posting to keep some sort of positive sentiment regarding LINK

>>56923403
>so that makes me think
you should stop thinking, thinking is the reason you are still poor and obsessively interact in link threads

>>56923130
no those people are fine especially after the range break
the deranged posters are anons that lost it all on cefi chasing a single digit yield lol

frustration with the price is a thing and it's obviously real.
besides ticker link price appreciation it's about bringing about a non-fragile not-so-jeopardizable trustless financial system where things aren't the way they were. ok, great idea, why is the link price so manipulated too then? is it a case of have to do like them today to do like we want to later. yeah, won't happen.
who wouldn't be at least a little dismayed when we stay ranging sats wise ?
and who wants to be manipulated like that? 7.77 ... trolling or signalling, i can't tell, but it's obviously controlled.

the lack of transparency communications wise is just not right. i mean, 7.77 is pretty transparent communications wise but this isn't Jung and symbols. from saying one thing about ccip to another, to now saying nothing, it's like be lied to or be ignored.. perhaps they didn't lie first time round, i get that, things happen. why can't they communicate now? why can't they tell us what the cinnamon roll babka chain is about? ok, maybe some things are nda type wrapped up, yeah, could be. but everything?
i will continue being considerate, i get it, you don't have to tell anybody anything, it's your right, but who can tell me it sits right when cl purports to be about transparency and about bringing about a trustless world.
they tell us, and quite rightly, that for too long companies have traded based on reputation and paper promises. ok, true. yet what about yourselves chainlink? or is it one rule for them and one rule for you... ok, i'll continue being considerate, not even going to say everybody has to abide by the same rules, am not an idiot, i understand the flip side of rights and the joys of privilege, you see how open we are chainlink? we get that you control the price, we get that have reasons for not releasing ccip properly yet, we get that you can't communicate everything, but stop lecturing about how the world ought to be run when chainlink pretty much does the same thing.

>>56923464
range break? the lies
still ranging sats wise. might as well have bought bitcoin

Most are gone off of biz and only rarely come to lurk. Replying feels weird because you see how far behind most people are when it comes to what crypto is even doing. Why even start a conversation when you see that the narratives being investigated were put to rest years ago. Productive discussion mostly takes place on twitter in GC's. There isn't an intrigue in coming here anymore because as defi was getting built out you either played with it and learned or got left behind. Naturally, the places where this stuff was getting discussed had the best avg user input in discussions because they were self educating and vetted. Anonymous discourse played its role in the LINK community, but now it mirrors an oracle node where identity and reputation matter.

>>56923574
interesting way to describe it.
appreciated.

Wow I am so demoralized the LINK culture is gone and I have no gains I will immediately market sell everything now

>>56922782
probably cuz ur a tranny
kys

>>56922782
all the breadcrumb days are over.

now we just have to wait 5-10 years to see it slowly play out

entire industries we cant even imagine will be using chainkink in 20 years.

thats it.

price is 16 dollars. for slow steaddy growth these coming years.

t. link og from 2017

>>56923464
also this

Chainlink is at war with the market makers, you will endure endless ptsd inducing psyops as a result

>>56922782
i'm still here, it's been a wild ride
t. summer 2018 buyer

>>56923355
I’ve noticed the FUD has progressed from being funny and easily deboonkable if you dyor into the project to intense attacks that are legitimate criticism.

>Sergey planning to dump 14% of the supply in the next couple of years, even when he already has at least 3 billion dollars in his treasury, which is at least a decade of runway
>price suppression being a legitimate concern due to rapid price appreciation being undesirable (it’s in the terms of service)
>radio silence about build drops / build projects possibly being worth next to nothing. This hits hard because it’s true, if BUILD projects were so good they wouldn’t need to apply for subsidization.
>Sergey rubbing elbows with known scammers and people that were actively shorting link. Bankman from FTX, Nexo Bulgarians, shit, they almost lost their entire USDC treasury by using Celsius.
>Extremely low revenue for all their products, at least from what we can see on chain
>Sergey admitting that he doesn’t know when adoption will take place. Going as far as to say that it’ll either take a crash (which would obliterate the token value) or slow adoption (which would make the token go up in a decade or two) to make chainlink successful.
>Two of their key technical advisors quit, Evan Cheng and Hudson Jameson. They went on to work for SUI and MATIC respectively. Your advisors don’t quit if they see a future for your company.
>Massive HR bloat and negative reviews on their glassdoor profiles.
>Kushti caps where he mentioned Sergey just wanted to make a quiet exit. By all means he would’ve accomplished this by now, he already has multiple billions of dollars in his treasury. Enough to last a lifetime spending multiple millions per year.
>Sergey firing Adelyn the marketing director for underperforming and hiring an arguably worse head of marketing that keeps posting about his runs

That’s off the top of my head. The fud is growing exponentially and feeling more legit the more time passes.

>>56922782
>I feel like
>it doesn’t feel
There is your problem. Stop thinking with your pussy.

>>56924785
>relentless attacks from jump trading, going as far as lying about chainlink to pump their own oracle token
>lack of VCs with the incentive to pump the token price. Maybe even VCs shorting LINK’s at key price levels due to the lack of parties defending the price. This is obvious if you observe the price action for the lash couple of years.
>No interest from Sergey to destroy the companies that were previously shorting/working against chainlink
>Eric Schmdit’s disinterest in the project, as evidenced by his physical presence last smartcon’s “fireside” chat
>Rorys wife’s daughter being black

Fuck. I can’t take it anymore bros, somebody please give me hopium.

>>56924785
All this FUD relies on the fact that LINK has been badly underperforming ever since 2020 peak. Noone would care that he promoted Celsius or fired X if the token was at 100 bucks right now.

People react in 2 manners to it, either they complain and start to blame this or that in order to rationalize their frustration OR they turn to agressive tribalism where they unleash the frustration of the lack of performance on the first type of people (it’s the fault of the FUD!).

Result is intense negativity where everyone has a bag but calls the other either a paid shill or a jealous fudder.
It only happens with LINK because of the insane amount of hopium and FOMO pumped in 2019 and 2020, with other tokens people just dump their bags but with LINK they can’t.

The only way to pacify /biz/ is a gigapump to top 5.

>>56924799
haha based

>>56924799
hi richard Coper

>>56924785
>>56924898
Fuck you

>>56924898
the hopium is that with a bitcoin bullrun rising wave lifts all boats so we dump chainlink at the top this time and put it into real estate/btc and put some small amount for shitcoins trading, you see meme shitcoins doing 2-5x left and right people doubling their portfolios and we sit like cucks holding muh fundamentals token, no one gives a fuck about fundamentals since the inception of crypto

>>56924898
>hopium
the team is making the token more useful by giving customers fun activities to do with it, like returning them for a while and getting a little present in the form of more tokens for it. anons like that one

>>56923086
This. Nulinkies are in it for the cult with a veneer of being in it for the tech.
Oldfags are delusional/in it for the tech and built the cult

t. EtherDelta buyer

>>56924910
Ok but it won’t happen.

See point on the previous post:
>Sergey planning to dump 14% of the supply in the next couple of years, even when he already has at least 3 billion dollars in his treasury, which is at least a decade of runway
>price suppression being a legitimate concern due to rapid price appreciation being undesirable (it’s in the terms of service)
>Sergey firing Adelyn the marketing director for underperforming and hiring an arguably worse head of marketing that keeps posting about his runs
>relentless attacks from jump trading, going as far as lying about chainlink to pump their own oracle token
>lack of VCs with the incentive to pump the token price. Maybe even VCs shorting LINK’s at key price levels due to the lack of parties defending the price. This is obvious if you observe the price action for the lash couple of years.
>No interest from Sergey to destroy the companies that were previously shorting/working against chainlink

There’s also the fact that chainlink is supposed to be le truth network ethical company but they intentionally obfuscate critical information such as what part of the allocation they’re dumping.

You can’t have it both ways, you can either be a moonboi company that does shady things and pumps your bags, or an ethical company that does the right thing but has shit price action.

Chainlink has the worst of both worlds, a supposedly ethical company that does shady things like not addressing build rewards timelines/rubbing elbows with scammers and still has shit price action.

How’s chainlink a good investment? FUCK

>the hopium is that with a bitcoin bullrun rising wave lifts all boats so we dump chainlink at the top this time
The problem is that Segey seems to be suppressing the price. What good is dumping at the top if the top is $20?

>>56925066
yamete kudasai… Please… stop…. I beg you.

CAN ANY FUCKING OG PLEASE CHIME IN? THIS FUD WILL SPREAD TO TWITTER UNLESS YOU DO SOMETHING

>>56925066
>Chainlink has the worst of both worlds, a supposedly ethical company that does shady things like not addressing build rewards timelines/rubbing elbows with scammers and still has shit price action.

I think there's probably a number of fairly good reasons for this. Outward communication about their business practice is free alpha for competitors. It may be possible the details and process of BUILD rewards distribution isn't probably yet well understood internally. Also there's a possible legal risk to communicating "you are getting this exactly at this time" as it may be grounds for a securities violation

That's all not to say this shit isn't frustrating but yeah I'm sure there are well understood risks and reasons for the lack of communication within Chainlink Labs

>>56925144
I think it’s fair if they want to keep the info to themselves and not address the clusterfuck that is the rest of the points.

That being said it appears that chainlink is not a good investment any longer. Why would Sergey care anyways, he’s already a billionaire.

>>56925144
>you are getting this exactly at this time
nothing happened when sergey announced the ccip release and it turned out that they didn't have anything, so that's probably not it. not talking about the things that are unpleasant to him has worked great as a strategy so far, unfortunately

>>56922782
some made it
those who held probably killed themselfs

>>56924785
if you were referring to me, i wasn't fudding.
not trying to make linkers fearful, uncertain or doubtful.

not even sure if you are fudding.
it's basically this. is there anything you said which isn't true or undermines the rest? or what i said?no, there isn't.
so if you're doing it to make linkies sell, well can't see how that isn't a waste of effort and time and seems a little underhand if that's so but you do you. i'm not trying to get anyone to sell. if anything, want you to buy. not even planning to dump on you or anyone as never selling.
so, no other motive, just throw stuff out there because maybe some genius on here can debunk what i say or what you've said, but nobody ever can.
the price is manipulated and performance has been underwhelming.

is chainlink going to be huge? honestly, yeah, there's a good chance. but it sure ain't set in stone and just how t+3 becomes t+1 becomes t+0, as sure as the sun sets and then comes up again, as unsound as it sounds you best believe one day there will be an alternative to t+0 and what dlt brings.
inb4 midwits say how can it better than t+0, well, you just do what has always been done, change the meaning of, or the need for, t and change the boundaries of 0. or perhaps time efficiency gets exchanged as priority for century lasting security. whatever, that's a trip and a conversation for other places and a long long way down the line and frankly most people won't get it so whatever, but, what i'm basically saying is not all great value capture propositions end up doing what they promised and seemed certain to.
not asking for much, who doesn't want transparency?

It was a scam all along.
You simply cant argue with facts
>Dec 5 2020:
MATIC: $0.019
LINK: $13.50
BTC: $19000
ETH: $590
BNB: $29.73
SOL: $1.97
ADA: $0.15
DOGE: $0.003
TRX: $0.03
AVAX: $3.61

>Dec 5 2023:
MATIC: $0.81
LINK: $15.60
BTC: $43800
ETH: $2280
BNB: $232
SOL: $64.29
ADA: $0.42
DOGE: $0.09
TRX: $0.10
AVAX: $26.26

>>56922782
Im from 2018 and i have been here everyday since then