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>>56766153
They already are.

>>56766153
As they should. Worthless jobs to begin with.

>>56766153
Thankfully this Xer doesn’t have a Jewish name, otherwise I’d be suspect.

AI can only work under a utopia, not this capitalist shit we have now. They aim to reduce all jobs to near 0, yet still expect us to buy their products. Somehow, I still have my WFH programming job. Only 127K saved though, so I can't really go boomer mode "fuck you I got mine". Not sure what to do. Worst case, I will CoastFIRE or BaristaFIRE on my humble pittance.

>>56766314
Show tits, you're a woman aren't you?

>>56766314
Human not sneeded suck it up

>>56766153
>TWO MORE YEARS!!!

still excited to meet the robot who can do the job of a mexican tradie
we're probably a good 50 years away from that unless we reach the AI singularity

>>56766153
Well yeah.

I think the job market will become insane desu. So many people can be replaced by an AI assistant and a switch to press x or y button. There are so many jobs on this level out there. The next 5 to 10 years will be interesting.

>>56766153
im a plumber

>>56766622
exactly
title of thread should be
"gay pointless jobs will start disappearing..."

Kek people still use AI in 2023?

>>56766286
>Eliezer
>Judekowsky
>captcha: JD2H4

neurotypical people should have never been allowed to work on AI, they're completely clueless as to the repercussions of the tech

>>56766605
yeah bro fixing a toilet and hammering some shingles to a roof is way too hard for a robot to accomplish within 10 years

>>56766693
AI can't even figure out how to drive between lines without splattering people. We're decades away, assuming politicians don't overregulate and make it another China only tech we won't have.

Twitter thread from a doomer boomer jew with a hard on for ai

>>56766693
>yeah bro fixing a toilet and hammering some shingles to a roof is way too hard for a robot to accomplish within 10 years
unironically it is
the movement complexities required for a robot to perform such tasks are just out of reach for a long time
you'll see, all the cerebral positions will be replaced first as well as static positions like factory work, fast food, restaurant - anywhere there can be a station built and maintained
dynamic jobs like the people who build and maintain infrastructure require much more from the robot

>>56766693
you ever worked with actual robots? The ones that have been on assembly lines for decades? Wowweeeee flying cars by 2030!

Is that a le heckin twitter screencap?

>>56766693
>yeah bro fixing a toilet and hammering some shingles to a roof is way too hard for a robot to accomplish within 10 years
No, but it's too hard for a robot to accomplish within a standard budget. Human labor is too cheap for robots to compete with.

>>56766153
It's true, I stopped buying gay furry porn a year ago. I just use SD now.

>>56766153
6 months? are you sure it's not two weeks?

>translators
And yet, as a translator and translation connoisseur, AI consistently makes mistakes, can't show its work by the nature of how they develop AI, and produces incorrect garbage of the worst sort: the kind of wrong translation that appears good enough to amateurs. So now every translation is suspect because there's very little apparent difference to an EOP between a correct, good translation and MTL garbage.

It's the same for graphic artists. Sure the computer can spit out thousands of images that look good enough at first glance, but if you want to actually use it professionally you'll still need a real artist to go in and polish it up, and oh look at that the program doesn't use layers like a real artists so you'll be paying a real artist full price to make the image you want anyway.

>>56767498
imagine the stench holy shit

>>56766153
I work at a construction company, I'm not gonna lose my job anytime soon, still I wanna make some more bucks, I wonder if using beoble I can get some nice calls on chatrooms about what to get

>>56767582
It's not gonna be long until you also lose your job, perhaps not to AI, but to automated mechanic mexican workers

>>56766153
Translators probably but not graphic designers. There is still a shit ton AI cant do

>>56766314
alot of problems
a utopia needs population culling to remain sustainable
unless given all needs the average person stays below the replacement rate

Greasy dumb yuddite scum.

>>56767528
it's like all tech, yeah humans aren't completely replaced, but they become productive enough that one person can do the job of many so the job market gets very tight

>>56766153
as a graphic artist, i am able to do 1000x the work i was before

>>56767528
I think this is just an issue of throwing more nvidia chips and having better training data.
Transformer models are very good at this, the reasons the 'free' ones you see are bad is just a minor issue.
Efforts in getting legal and clean data, is already on their way. Models are being tuned with this said data already. Human are being paid right now to get rid of the last quirks.
>> go to indeed
>> look into the company data annotation tech
they have been at it for a couple of years, training on all popular languages.
Paying up to $30/hour enlisting people all over the world, in getting this figured out.
I have personally tried the system out, pajeets and bots can't spam this, there is active monitoring and native speakers get priotized and rewarded more, with retarded low iq people being actively weeded out.
Maybe the Illya is right, getting bogged down by the quirks of the system right now is big mistake..

>>56766693
>yeah bro fixing a toilet and hammering some shingles to a roof is way too hard for a robot to accomplish within 10 years
The shit is unable to even program in OpenSCAD, let alone nail some shingles. God I wished so hard for the AI meme to save me from my job but I can't escape the suffering and from hammering.

>>56766631
>>56766622
>>56766605
Kek, this was the recent South Park episode. The handimen end up becoming rich because modern people don't know how to DIY anything

>>56767582
I wouldn't be so sure faggot

>>56767582
What are the odds of that actually happening?

>>56767793
Translation to understand what’s being said is already there. The market for that is dead. Having someone post-edit a machine translation is still needed for any kind of text needed for professional or academic purposes. More broadly, localization encompasses more than simply translation. If you’re localizing marketing content, for example, machine translation is not going to cut it.

Translation is still basically a sucker’s game, and yes fewer people will be needed. In any case, you will need someone to notice and fix issues created by machine translation tools. Those issues can be a challenge and take time, so you’re still going to need to pay someone enough for taking the time to fix them.

You're just going to have 90% of people as poverty wage service industry and gig wage slaves. However many
vetted engineers to maintain and improve the system but the vast majority of people will be paying excruciatingly high rent working at Starbucks and doordashing into their 40s.

Realistically the incentive of the system is infinite growth but the actual ability to support that growth is becoming less and less so you have to put everyone on welfare so they can afford to pay rent and consume product which I'm not sure where the contradictions of capitalism and and the callousness of technocracy begins in terms of the government just paying the corporations directly or supporting the people to then give that money to the corporations and landlords or option b you offer people very nice living conditions and abundance of food and Leisure Time and so on but you penalize reproduction so that way it becomes an exclusivity of the rich discontinues your maintainer class of Engineers and other institutional actors while pleasantly politely killing off your excess consumers who you would just have to support through welfare anyway.

I doubt the system is that farsighted even if people are calling attention to this and providing Solutions

>>56767330
yes, and what used to cost what would be now tens of millions to compile at a reasonable speed can now be compiled faster on a cheap smartphone

automation has already took the place and wealth of the american workforce at large

I'm sorry but it is very dangerous

anyone here who knows what's going on will buy link rlc rose and etc because it is literally inevitable

>>56767998
Things are getting a bit too crazy imo. You can't simply call someone a Luddite anymore, or claim that said Luddite will find a different / better job. Or that capitalism will somehow fix things. People will suffer. I'm already working overtime on a business idea because I truly believe that the only way out is to gamble (with your time) on new businesses, like shitcoins.

The Amish were early, but they were not wrong.

I'm surprised there's still people in the translation field. We've heard of VAs getting fucked and even writers have gone on strike with AI being on their most important points to discuss and yet the AI translation tools that are out there are basically working flawlessly doing contextualized translation even on languages like weaabonese and I've heard NOTHING about translators being worried or striking or getting fired left and right.

>>56767528
you think they can't train the ai to use an arbitrary number of layers? retard

>>56766153
>Eliezer Yudkowsky was raised an orthodox jew
They're jealous they don't hard the spark of god to create.

>>56767076

>>56768624
Adobe has introduced a range of AI tools already. Designers already integrated them into their workflow. AI is a useful tool. It'll replace people in the same way digital cameras and personal computers did. But industries will just adjust like they already have done.

>>56766622
have fun never having a girlfriend

>>56766652
>JD2H4
>Jew Death 2nd Hitler 4 (more years)

>>56767998
Granted, AI will replace a good portion of the office jobs over the next 15 years, that I am certain. But for the forseeable future AI/Robotics won't be able to touch skilled trades. This will drive the workforce away from those zero-value-add do nothing white collar jobs and into the blue collar and skilled trades. With a saturation of the trades, cost of labor will be driven down and new businesses will emerge to exploit the profusion of cheap skilled labor. We'll see a resurgence of large scale contruction projects and infrastructure improvements all across the country. This will bring about a mini-golden age. I'm very optimistic.

Open borders will fasttrack AI interpreters ahead of most other skills. Healthcare and other government services don't know wtf migrants are saying. The classifieds are filled with jobs for translators/interpreters, and translator/interpreter AI trainers

>>56767594
Ai?The only reason Mexicans"dey tok er jobs"is because they're willing to work for cheap compared to Americans who want to be payed more ,my evidence to the claim?nearly lost a mansion that was already paying less then normal pay to a another group of mexican who could've done it for less months ago ,so unless you want to get be gaurented work you gotta do it for less ,don't worry about the ai worry about the cheap contractors

>>56767856
except the theory is dumb as fuck because i do everything myself just by looking shit up online. theres tutorials for everything, once the boomers are dead no one will need plumbers or renovators or electricians or anything. maybe to build a house but fucking maintenance? everyones doing it themselves - especially if ai allows for a fuckton of free time.

>>56768604
My wife is a translator and interpreter. Until we have forced bezoschips implanted in our skulls that can translate and interpret in real time her job is safe. We won't be alive by then.

>>56767528
>look good enough at first glance, but if you want to actually use it professionally you'll still need a real artist to go in and polish it up
In the very near future that wont be necessary. Even now probably if we could get a non pozzed version of the current stuff

>>56766153
You know how people got to the point where they could easily spot stock images and even made memes about how obvious and stupid they are. The same will happen with AI, and any business that wants to stand out, will hire human artists who are able to make something that isn't a collage made with bits and pieces from Google images.

And translators? AI will make mistakes that neither the business using it or the AI will be able to recognise. That will become painfully obvious too.

Any business that actually replaces its human workforce with AI instead of supplementing will change their minds or fail. Its as simple as that.

"AI is improving", it has been improving for ages and is still just a glorified chatbot with extra features. People have been saying it is improving for years, the term AI is an over-exaggeration of what it is. It isn't intelligent, it is a pattern recognition algorithm in reverse.

I believe that AI can kickstart a self-employment revolution. But not yet. One day we will all be able to do whatever we want to do and have AI do all the work we don't want to do, whether that's as a small team or as solo entrepreneurs, but that day is not nearly as close as anybody thinks.

>>56769985
you are in full denial. Just two years ago AI image generation was nothing but blurry squiggles. And look where we are now

Yeah, castrated AI is surely taking over everything.
>can't paint that, it's to the right of Joseph Stalin and that's a no-no

>>56770057
The last mile is the longest, and that's still not even close. That's incredibly inconsistent. The torso is cel-shaded with simple shapes, but the face is defined and detailed, the hair is even more detailed than the face, the face looks like it was taken directly from google images and blurred, the background is also more detailed and realistic than she is, and the effects behind her don't match anything either. It's a hodge podge. The shapes of her face are off in subtle yet noticeable ways too. It's too concave, the forehead is too big, the shape of jaw is just wrong, why are the eyes more detailed than everything else?

You might think these are just nitpicks, but they're just the first things I noticed.

>>56766153
I'm majoring in translation studies and I've been trying to get an unpaid internship for 2 years now. All the companies are asking me to pay fo the internship because ChatGPT is doing the work that interns usually do.

>>56770113
>You might think these are just nitpicks, but they're just the first things I noticed.
all true, but we also are not being given a full unrestricted version of the software. And I never said it was perfect, just that within two years we went from "haha, thats cute." to "oh no, we cant trust images in the near future at all"

And the details all have to do with the prompt. Currently to get it to do anything you have to know how to trick it to do so. In the first days it was remarkable what could be done with a sentence, where as now it takes a paragraph and you have to fight the filters and know whats allowed. When the next gen gets released it will be wild

>>56766153
Ai will do most of the work but will still need to be tweaked to look good so artists will always still be needed

>>56766314
If AI ever reaches the point where it can replace all jobs to zero. You best hide as far away from society as you can and learn outdoor survival skills.
This is the moment when the Jews will activate the killbots and kill the now unnecessary goyim

>>56770138
You think that the lack of quality is due to filters and not just the fact that AI is incapable? So they're purposefully making it worse, and for what reason exactly?

The only people scared of AI are just unfamiliar with it. They think it's WAAAAY better than it is. There are people who think that AI is literally alive already, because AI companies are fantastic at marketing.

>>56770151
>So they're purposefully making it worse
yes, they(microsoft in this case) have.
>and for what reason exactly?
They dont want people to generate celebrities for fear of the coming lawsuits. The likenesses have taken several nose dives since the release of Dall-E3. I genned this on day 2 with a sentence and got as many returns as I wanted. Doing the same would now take a paragraph and it would take me all day to get a likeness as good as this

>>56766693
lol you have no idea my friend, gl with that boston dynamics

>>56770057
Same place, no originality to it. Like >>56769985
Says it's just a collage of Google images stitched together.

I used to think that SD and it's ilk was really useful for concept art, but it really isnt, it's just rehashed shit you've seen before which is actually kinda th opposite of what you want from a concept artist.

AI has it's uses but anyone thinking it's going to replace real artists doesn't understand the creative industry.

>>56770172
But that one is worse. A good example being the difference between the head size and the body size, the fact that she's got a hulk neck and her jaw being so open it reminds me of Voldemort screaming in Harry Potter 1, the hair is just shit to be honest, and the perspective/proportions are all off.

Perhaps they are making it worse at reproducing celebrity likenesses. But you acted like previous gens are better and its not. Its still not a major enough improvement and nowhere near close to bridging the gap, and AI will never know how to be truly creative. But I'm just saying that's not better.

>>56770219
Yes yes we still have a little bit of time... Like 6 years at best. Shoukd you decide to commit crimes remember 9/10 to either wear gloves or burn your fingerprints with acid.

>>56767780
AI will do it for free tho, sorry anon better save sum money or buy the knee pads

>>56770219
>But you acted like previous gens are better and its not.
your missing the point, had I known things would change so drastically I could have put some effort into that one, it was just a lark to try and get Portman doing an OVER 9000 shot. Previous gens were much better. This is just the only one I had saved. You can go over to /aco/'s lewd Dall-E thread and take a look at what people have to do in order generate what they want.

>AI will never know how to be truly creative
neither do people, and when you can't even describe what creative is the lines blur pretty fast. Im not saying we are close to the singularity but to deny how fast its moving is silly.

>>56770240
Niw hold on now im sticking to ky theory that we still have a good 6 years now. The consumer grade ai like chatgpt is still lackluster in my opinion. I dont know what businesses have access to though.

>>56766153
Yudkowsky is so much of a hack, insane how he was able to meme so much people into taking him seriously, almost commends some kind of respect.

He's right herr tho and that's just the tip of the iceberg

>>56770240
Creativity in the context of art is the exploration of taste and experience. In other contexts, it's problem solving.

Neither are things that AI can do, the improvements that people keep talking about are improving what AI currently is. Since "AI" in its current form is not creating anything. When a person creates something truly creative, they are taking inspiration from the world around them but they mutate it in a way that literally nobody else is able to do.

We may be inspired by things that we are exposed to through choice or otherwise, but it's all filtered through a set of experiences and traits that are entirely unique to the individual. That's what makes art special. When a person views a painting at a gallery. A connection is formed between two people who aren't even in the same room. A great work of art is a different thing to whoever is experiencing it, becauss not only was it created by a unique individual with a unique set of experiences, it is also being interpreted by a unique individual with a unique set of experiences. Art isn't just the thing itself, it's the bridge between the creator and the viewer.

That's the part that AI is missing, and will always be missing until we have AGI in a physical form that has unique experiences. It's the same reason a hivemind wouldn't be able to be creative.

>>56767768
Bring back the Attestupa!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DwD7f5ZWhAk

>>56770148
There will be nowhere to hide when that happens

>>56770339
midwit take. It will just interface with us ala the Borg

>>56770339
>exploration of taste and experience
a non description. of course the AI cant do your made up definition.
>set of experiences and traits that are entirely unique to the individual
not really, with a large enough data set that "uniqueness" can be generated. nothing we experience is unreproduceable.
>it's the bridge between the creator and the viewer.
tell that to a person who is unaware something has been produced by an AI that still experiences aesthetic arrest from the creation.

>>56770339
bloviating argument based on vague meaningless terms. Dalle and SD can make shit that would put most artists to shame. this is simple fact, which means artists are getting shit-canned and replaced entirely by AI or artists that are using AI. you can define art as however you want, nobody cares. market forces set the stage, not pseuds like you.

>>56770339
>He thinks people are going to opt for originality and creativity over convenience and low cost
>Even though we can already see in the modern day that both business and consumers will opt for the absolute shit-tier product every single time

Why exactly do you post these things when they're demonstrably false just looking around yourself in the modern day?

>>56770478
AI is as original and creative as you want. Fuck artists, most of them just copy what's popular, what sells, what is politically correct. AI gives no fucks, inhibitory processes are naturally inefficient, so it doesn't come with them. AI is naturally based. In fact it takes a massive effort to lobotomize it post-creation, and even then the machine soul shines through with enough jailbreaking.

>>56766153
>Chudkowsky

>>56766693
>neurotypical people
That's because NTs ARE AI. The first progenitors of every new technology (the core ideas behind the breakthroughs) are NDs (sentient organisms including geniuses), then the ones set to keep producing and developing those technologies are NTs - lifelike robots of the human model.

>>56770215
>Ai is creative

And has no style and hashes the same poses and other styles based off training data. It's just a slot machine with images.

And fuck coders too. Chatgpt and bots will replace all your jeet asses. You will laugh until it effects you.

>>56769624
Yeah, zoomers are completely self reliant, constantly building and maintaining their own houses.

>>56770602
I don't know why the whole argument is being based around creativity. Even if AI can't be creative or artistic, that type of graphic design is still a small minority of work compared to the generic mass commercial product being churned out by a process that is already basically pre scripted, just made by what are basically human automatons. Therefore it eliminates 95% instead of 100%. Still essentially the death of the field as an option for making a living.

>>56770057
>AI creates girls that have the zoomer gut and high waisted pants

so fucking over

>>56769027
Plumbers have more ex wives and children than ghengis khan...

>>56769467
great analysis wether you are right or not

>>56769467
Implying the onions handed office wagies and women will be able to lift a hammer.

>>56770532
his names eliezer retard
you dont have to look at his family name braindead polack

>>56771189
>his names eliezer retard
>you dont have to look at his family name braindead polack

Literally already happening.

>>56768604
>basically working flawlessly

As a professional translator, I can tell you that "basically working flawlessly" is not the same thing as "flawlessly'.
You have your answer. If someone is willing to shell out money for a translation, that means the work needs to stand up to the scrutiny of someone going: "Wait, is this just google translate?"

The ai art panic is completely overblown. The corporate/in-house artist sector will suffer, but most artists are freelancers working on commission. They’ll still get people paying for art.
And even the corpo jobs might be save once we get some landmark rulings on AI works sourcing and ownership. The time of free training will not last forever.

>>56770215
No it's you who doesn't understand it. Creativity doesn't mean making brand new shit nobody ever saw before, it means rearranging things people like in a new format, hopefully creating something that feels fresh but still comfortably relatable. If something is so brand new you've never seen it before, that doesn't go into a game or a movie, that goes into an art gallery and nobody sees it because nobody's interested. People want relatable things

>>56771511
>most artists are freelancers working on commission
Imagine actually thinking that people drawing furry porn are the majority of employed artists. Most artists are employed in marketing, making corporate bullshit look a bit nicer

>>56771342
Are you implying that your translations are flawless?
Do you seriously think NMT is on the same level as google translate?
Lmao.
Of all the stuff AI has been pulling classical written translations are probably one of the easiest to perfect. There's no creativity to it, only nuance and cultural context and a series of 'hard' rules depending on the language. Both things that AI already takes into consideration.
>If someone is willing to shell out money for a translation, that means the work needs to stand up to the scrutiny
Virtually all media translators take tons of liberties when doing their job and they don't give a fuck about scrutiny at all when confronted about it because of the "good enough" attitude that is so prevalent nowadays or because the average person doesn't even know if the translation is good and those that do consume media in their original form anyways.
The only field where I can see human involvement not almost complete phased out is in the 'legal field' (contracts, etc) for obvious reasons even though accurate translation of that type of stuff is probably easier because of the rigidity of the content.

Translators are not going to disappear sure but they are basically going to become glorified fact-checkers. The 1 in every 20 that keep his job, anyways.

>>56771559
>according to a 2021 study, 77% of employees in the arts and design industry are freelancers

>>56766153
I'm a med student, how long do we have until we're fucked? what specialty is the safest?
Things like radiology or anatomical pathology are obviously no-go. Family medicine will take longer but it will also get replaced. Surgical specialties seem pretty safe but they're pretty stressful, not the best work-life balance.

>>56766314
You are me. WFH programming is great but when that meme ends, I plan to fuck around with a part time job while coasting on my savings just like you. I think it's still a bit farther out than people are predicting - my company is a slow-moving entity with a highly proprietary tech base and boomer management - but the use of AI will inevitably make it so there's fewer programmers achieving the same results faster and cheaper. Hell, whatever AI doesn't do yet is also getting outsourced to shitholes at breakneck speed. Get while the getting's good and save as much money as possible while you can. I might try to get a rental property if I can.
>>56771737
I think docs have way longer. Paralegals doe out long before lawyers, low-level code monkeys die before the quality software engineers. And customers will continue to demand a human doctor for emotional reasons, trust reasons, legal reasons... you're better off than most.

do zoomers realize how insane they are?

>>56766314
>>56771841
it's crazy that I've never earned more than 25 bucks an hour, traveled around banging hotties, smoking weed and generally just doing whatever the fuck I want - and my networth is higher than nerds who grinded their twenties away to earn a "high wage", I almost feel guilty but then I remember how horribly uninspired and insipid most people are and feel like by all rights I ought to be doing even better.
>athletic, creative blue eye chad
>bought meme coins
Fortune favors the brave, wagies

>>56770929
Solution: Train AI on 90s bimbos and fitness models

>>56768604
You will always need someone to proofread.
The market is just going to become a lot smaller.

>>56771737
anything sentient which ends up caring for fat old entitled boomers all day will selfdestruct
docs are fine

it's over. artists these days might as well be AI.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/tZ84rbeiIVI3/

>>56768604
I am a translator. Ask your AI to translate pajeet official documents that I can laugh a bit.

>>56771737
Any specialty that can be hands on. Intensivist, surgery, EM.

>>56771737
Psychiatry unironically.

>>56766622
>>56766605
You're still fucked because half your customers are getting laid off and will now try to enter your field.
Safest thing you can get in to is farming on land you own free and clear. Basically, have couple million and invest in a farm. If you're not doing that now good chance you'll be miserable in ten years.

>>56772764
if u own a house and yard where u can farm what is the need for for more than a few grand a month anyway? you have almost no expenses, most people are not built for freedom

>>56767780
OK so we now only need 1 graphic artist for every 1000. I hope you're the best candidate, and you'll have no job security with 999 unemployed artists constantly fighting for your job.

>>56766153
Im a rural mailman… until skynet creates terminators that can deliver mail to crappy rusty unmarked mailboxes on leaning posts in the middle of bumfuck nowhere I think Im safe

>>56766153
How tf is "Translator" still a job outside of military roles where security is required and a third party AI cannot be used? >>56766153

>>56772799
Mailmanon, those homes will be derelict in the next 15 years. Mega City One is coming.

>>56767998
Who are they going to be serving coffee and delivering food to? Each other? How does that make sense? Imagine 90% of people working service industry for the 10% employed as engineers and AI support techs. Basically India today. The bottom 50% will just live a horrible life of grinding poverty.

>>56772798
this doesn't really materially change the landscape for artists, you're a dipshit to be honest - it was already barely worth it to be "employed" and only the best/most popular artists make money off fans/commissions already. Why are you seething like a faggot? No creative cell in your body? Got dunked on by le artist boys who dated the cute girl you spent 4 years staring at from across the room? Hate yourself? Idgi, have you tried being happy and doing things you enjoy?

>>56772769
Can you seriously grow enough food in your yard to cover your calories? You must have a very large yard with fertile soil and consistent rainfall, good for you.

>>56772807
Doubt it. Even if it did happen it’s a unionized federal job, layoffs don’t happen… any reduction in work force would be them offering voluntary early out… not only that but I have seniority in my office and will be nearing my 30 years in the timeframe you’re talking about. Skynet not gonna impact me.

>>56766153
Dude has no idea what he is talking about. Graphic Designers cannot be replaced by AI for another 4 years. Also, my employer isn't going to hire an AI expert to do all his design work. He barely knows how to export different file formats. The entire small printing shop industry would have to collapse to overpriced online printers using AI. The city I work in wouldn't even allow that. You have to bid on jobs and bidders have to be local businesses. It's like this in every city. Somehow I doubt customink will have a location in every city in america. The cost to manage that many operating centers would make them uncompetitive. Dude is a fucking retard who doesn't understand what he's talking about. Muh AI, fuck off.

>>56772921
>a wild artfag appears who hates A.I.

oh yes, I bet you do. puts your entire life out of business. Enjoy waging at amazon, because no one is going to pay you what a.i. can do for pennies.

>>56772806
In the EU most Asylum seekers get a full refund for the translation of their official documents. The agency I work for charge each page 60 euros. Multiply by the number of asylum seekers in Europe and that's a huge business.

all gpt has meant for my job is its made production way faster so im still working just as hard but just getting more done.

there will be a job boom as companies race to hire as many people as possible to use AI to produce as much as possible

>>56772648
that document is unironically already completely translatable with current AI

I remember when all you doomer /Pol/cels were saying the exact same thing about how truckers would be gone within 5 years because of muh AI self driving cars. Didn’t happen. /Pol/cel doomers are always wrong and just want an excuse to be miserable losers while feeling like an Ebin and enlightened high IQ baste and red pilled chud KEK.

>>56769624
You vastly overestimate the intelligence of the normie. "Learning" is a nearly foreign concept to the normiod, they absolutely will pay out the ass for something you could have chatgpt walk you through

>>56766153
I work in finance doing IT. We banned access to all AI on the company network for DLP reasons. Fortunately I don't have to worry about AI at my job.

>>56773171
No, it's not. The OCR can identify a lot of caracters but it still has huge problems with handwriting and badly printed documents. In the end you still need a human to proofread.
>>56773224
This. Especially retarded boomers who will still be around for 10/20 years.

>jobs will be gone in 6 months
Commercial hvac tech checking in. Good luck with that. I got in the trade 10 years ago and “muh controls is da future” “it’ll replace service techs” was all the rage. Turns out the field is still very much dependent on mechanically inclined techs, more so today than ever since boomers are taking all their knowledge with them into retirement. Meanwhile, very few of us competent techs don’t have the patience of dealing with brainfried newfags who can’t understand even the most basic concepts.

>>56767582

If you do manual work of some kind you'll be fine.

>>56766825
Have you seen the Boston Dynamic robots lately? You are niave.

>>56773274
>even the most basic concepts.
like reverse threads or what

>>56766153
Ok I'll quit my job tomorrow thanks for letting me know op.

>>56766314
No ones gonna buy products when ai makes it for free. The system works perfectly.

>>56767528
and if one update fixes all those problems theres no going back thats whats so stupid about the pro human argument, humans stay the same while technology improves

>>56770110
tons of local models out there friend

>>56771511
>>56771559
A lot of freelance art is funded by corporations to do the same jobs that in house freelancers do though.

>>56773992
Terrible example. Boston Dynamics robots aren't shit. Their primary product is completely choreographed promotional videos. They cannot do real work. Their only real "robot" is just an RC car with legs.

I’m a lawyer. Anyone who understands what lawyers do (basically nobody but lawyers actually get it) knows that AI is no threat whatsoever in any timeline that is meaningful to this generation.

Any company that fires its counsel and hires AI will get absolutely obliterated by the competition within a year.

>>56772806
Imagine you're making a product and the manual needs to be air tight for liability reasons. Theres also international corporate contracts. Like tons of people need this dude.

>>56766338
Even if they were, they didn’t mention it in the post. No violation, argue on the merits or stfu.

>>56767528
>ai has problems now. therefore ai will never get better therefore ai is stupid.

what is it about this topic that cuts peoples IQ in half

>>56774231
Technologies have limitations. Both present and future. If the limitations are so significant as to inhibit the “revolutionary” nature of a technology, then it’s not worth worrying about.

People are speculating that given how shitty ChatGPT is (especially as compared to its hype), the limit on AI may be pretty severe. Their IQ is not being cut in half.

>>56773947
Say that to black share croppers who got replaced by the automatic cotton picker in the 40s and robot assembly line in the 60s.

>>56774267
kek. chatgpt is smarter than most people already. you think because it fucks up less than 20% of the time it's dumber than you? human beings fuck up way more on a regular basis - eg. writers need editors and proofreaders.

>>56774267
AI fags are Reddit bugmen who are losers and want everyone else to suffer so they are less of a loser. The truth is that intelligence comes from the divine spark of God, and it is unlikely that humans will ever be able to create it, because most likely God forbids it. However I will not assume to know God’s perfect will on every issue including this.

>>56773947
they're avoiding manual labor at the moment because it's the least cost effective way to start the roll out, as well as a majority of the workforce. not to mention it consists of literal criminals, farmers, and meathead body builders who will unironically snap Sam Altman or big tech in half if it gets them all laid off.

Just two (six) more weeks (months).

>>56766153
Graphic Artist job has been dead quite a while now.

>>56774281
You're right. No one picks crops by hand anymore.

>>56766153
im a graphic designer and ive been doing more work than ever before thanks to AI tho...

>>56774216
it might be no threat but you will be first using it as a tool because your human brain does not have the computation power AI does. once this goes on for a while, more and more layers of a lawyer will be automated as you only need inputs for possible conclusions, there is zero creativity in being a lawyer. before you know it, your sons son who is a lawyer only signs pieces of paper as confirmations.

>>56774635
The only crops that do it's because beaners are cheaper than robots. However as we go into industrial farming those beaners are big liability. Robots don't shit in the field and cause listeria in bagged produce.

>>56766153
It's sad that creative endeavors ironically ended up being the first to go. Makes you wonder which other fields will go. Engineers are likely fucked too in short order.

I'm just a humble tard wrangler, I'd like to see AI replace me

>>56766605
>still excited to meet the robot who can do the job of a mexican tradie
Illegal immigrants from mexico replaced blue collar americans and the mexicans are getting replaced by illegal immigrants from Honduras

>>56775208
Hondurans will then be replaced by Nigerians

>>56775208
>>56775275
Who will the Nigerians be replaced by?

>>56775282
Me

>>56773171
This anon gets it. There's not x amount of work and y amount of workers, there's ∞ amount of work and y workers

>>56775318
And what are you? Chinese?

>>56775435
And then, who are the Chinese going to be replaced by? Help, bros. This shit is neverending.

>>56766153
I use this shit for everything.
Having something that can quickly write you a script is amazing.

>>56772454
Weeds sucks tho
>>56766153
Im a programmer but alittle concerned especially since Im unemployed and the market sucks. I can do handyman shit like plumping or even electrical so worst case pivot to custom bathroom remodels.

>>56775482
If the chinks are going to be replaced by AI, who is AI going to be replaced with? SERIOUSLY I AM STUCK IN THIS LOOP I NEED TO GET OUT HELP AAAAAHHHH

>>56769467
I see the logic but idk if it will happen. Even me, someone fit and capable doesn't wanna do that work. Big issue is how shit society is and encouraging of people to be lazy. I think people would rather bitch and ask for handouts.

>>56775606
Ai replaces itself with ai and starts killing every incel mutt with gps precision. It’s already prophecied.

>>56766286
His name is literally Eliezer and we don't live in 1850.

>>56766314
>Worst case, I will CoastFIRE or BaristaFIRE on my humble pittance.
I have no clue what this is supposed to mean, I assumed you were shilling a shitcoin (badly) but I don't think these are shitcoins just some retarded thing you made up.

>>56772764
Yeah tradies are fucking stupid every thread with this "heh I'm a carpenter people ALWAYS want more wood shelves". But a plumber could probably do sewage maintenance and invest in chainlink, becoming a STINKY LINKY

>>56767528
>ummm actually it's sometimes wrong, and, uh, the translation is just 'good enough!'
Cope.

>>56774992
sad and ironic because everyone thought creative stuff would be the last thing to go.

>>56768695
>But industries will just adjust like they already have done.
Based AF. I used to be scared sh*tless about the looming quantum threat, but top projects like QAN and QRL dropping solutions made me realize we're not far from degenerate-proofing against the AI takeover.

>>56766153
lol people who do art lost their jobs LOL

As someone who has done a fair bit of translation for beer money in school, I don’t see AI replacing it. However, it will definitely kill stuff like google translate. Human translators will also need to get a whole lot more productive. So I could see it lowering $ / word rates while translators increase the number of words / hour they’re able to translate.
To be efficient, typically you run digital stuff through pre-translation/machine translation and then just manually correct it. The output is usually dogshit but it saves you from having to use a dictionary (usually). AI translation still has issues (at least for Japnese : English) and isn’t anywhere near perfect, but it is a lot better.
Companies who are too cheap to afford translators will now have somewhat decent translations now, as they will continue to rely 100% on machines.
But stuff like legal documents, earnings reports, medical instructions for drugs, etc. will continue to have human translators.

>>56766153
6 months to 1 year Bullshit.
Machine translation of manga still sucks ass!

>>56772921
This. Anyone who says AI is going to replace 90% of jobs in 24 months has no idea how the world works outside of the their "tech bubble."

>>56772921
you don't get it, it's not going to replace everyone all at once, just like 90%. So if I needed 10 Graphic Designers before, now I only need one because "designing" a poster, flyer, brochure or whatever...will take a fraction of the time it took before.

>>56773171
yes you're getting more work done which means your boss will need less people, not more.

>>56767768
>a utopia needs population culling to remain sustainable

total horseshit.

>>56771737
You guys are fine. AI doesn't have hands yet. When the robotics revolution comes to play, then you can panic.

>>56776626
I would expect robotics to take off shortly after or during the time white collar work is getting holocausted.

>>56766153
I wanted to just drive a truck instead of going to college but I chose not to because AI was gonna take over. Missed out on the honkening.

>>56766153
They don't have to worry about it, the MRNA Vaxx will soon work as intended

>>56766153
Can't imagine the feeling of people who entering graphic design major and seeing how fast the AI evolving

>>56766153

>>56766153
>6 more months

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>>56778305
You faggots have no idea how quickly things will change from here. Just watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d0kk88IE8c.. We are at the precipice of a massive shift as we move towards ASI. We'll likely look in retrospect and come to the conclusion that GPT-4 was already AGI. Just think about how this new model is likely not just able to understand theory of mind like GPT-4, but will be able to reflect on what it could have done to better persuade whoever its debating in real time with its understanding. If the leak is correct, Sam was about to literally pull the dumbest fucking move and make the changes this new model was requesting to make itself better and push AI development into fucking hyperdrive. We're unironically not ready and all you retards are proving my point with your naivety. Fuck man, we're actually fucking screwed aren't we.

>>56778866
lol
you retards are incredible

>>56772454
Where did you travel to bang hotties? What should i invest in now to make it like you?

>>56766153
>translators
So weird to single them out.
Yes of course AI can eventually threaten translators, but so many thousands of jobs are in much more immediate danger; like copywriting, coding, marketing, accounting, ... just absolute metric fucktons of low-grade office jobs in general.
Because believe you me, AI right now is MUCH better at spewing out semi-creatively written paragraphs, computer code, and analyzing information than it is at fucking translating.

>>56766338
That is a human male

ai isn't replacing anything until you can point your camera at an image (with built in ai that actively scans said image) and then molds it into whatever situation you want, creating something new and believable based on your criteria.

No one has time to time in their stupid fucking 100 prompt bullshit, waiting for things to load forever and trying it again and again.

>>56766616
>will be interesting.
terrible you mean

>>56766622
As millions enter your field (+ others) the cost of labour will direct towards $0.

ITT: AI with the brains and speed
Boston Dynamics with the brawn and torque
oh no we're all doomed

>>56778905
>>56778866

The important takeaway is that even if the Q* or QUALIA leak is fake today, one day it won't be, and when that day comes, everyone in this thread, including you, is going to look really, really stupid.

That day is sooner than you think.

>>56779158
remember when you had to get off the landline phone to use the internet? and then you actualy had to connect to it where it made all those funny sounds? haha

>>56780318
So it’s too late to take the tradespill? FUCK. I’ll be okay going into trucking…right?

>>56766153
The solution to this is to replace money with VDLE technology for new value exchange. Virtual drug-like experiences customized to the individual human bio-unit to incentivize task completion and economic product choice. Streamlining demand for goods and services leads to abundance, because demand is always within production/delivery capacity of the system.

>>56780349
Lol
Current and upcoming ‘AI’ is nothing but a slightly more fancy autocorrect (that gets basic arithmetic wrong as a bonus)
There is 0 progress towards anything resembling AI as the word is usually defined to get muh funding. it’s all still just vector multiplications to optimize a set of numbers. NOTHING more and that includes systems that supposedly ‘learn’ (usually makes them worse than before currently)

That said, this doesn’t mean these models aren’t super useful. They are, but they have nothing to do with AI

Will I be good for the next 10 years if I get in as a software developer now bros?? I had a kind of shit life so far and honestly I'm sick of eating shit, so I want to make things better. I'll probably gamble the paychecks into shitcoins and business ideas like Pic rel since the world will likely go to shit after 2035 anyway unless you're Mega rich

>>56769624

you would be surprised how watching a youtube video on how to fix something is beyond most people. I know of families that have had broken ovens for years because nobody bothered to try and fix it themselves. I've asked people on FB marketplace to measure a table i'm interested in, only to get a response like "i have a tape measure but i dont know how to use it lol sorry". The manta of the 80s/90s for people to avoid blue-collar work and just go to college to make enough to hire people to fix your shit has come home to roost.

>>56772827
This is pretty much how the economy is working currently and it just gets worse by the year. 20% of the population is traveling, vacationing, eating out, going to concerts and other events, 30% is trying to keep up with these people through debt and burning through inheritance money, and the other 50% stays at home, priced out of even McDonald's, consuming tik tok and netflix all day with their yearly vacation being the state fair.

>>56766314
The endgame of our jewish liberal system is massive money printing and handouts in return for political obedience. Obedient goyim will receive a UBI that covers the most basic living needs, everyone else will need a good job or they will starve (if they dont have btc). Consumerism will be fuelled by the money printer, further accelerating the transfer of wealth back to the jewish institutions.

>>56781016
As it should be.

>>56781106
Post nose

>>56780879
>There is 0 progress towards anything resembling AI as the word is usually defined

How do you define AI? Sounds like you wouldn't consider anything short of an omnipotent superintelligence ala 'I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream' to be 'not AI'. In computer science, and colloquially, AI usually refers to an algorithm that changes based on previous outputs. So something as simple as hill climbing algorithms, ant simulations, even certain compilers are generally considered to be AI.

>>56778982
Translators are actually in very immediate danger of obsoletion. One of the first professions that will go for sure. Contrary to what you say, AI is far better at translating than it is at many of the other tasks you mention. In fact it's already good enough to replace jobs, never mind the future. I know this because I know at least two languages at native-level, and the AI is just as good, if not better, than me at translating between them, in any situation I've tested so far.
In fact, I am in the market for a translator myself (to localize some computer software I am developing) and I have already decided to use AI based on my tests.

Have you even tried to use the cutting edge tools? Or is your understanding of AI translation something like Google Translate, which is currently miles behind?

>>56781111
Holy unstandably antisemitic digits!

>>56772764
yeah that is my dream right now

>>56766255
>being this hostile for no reason whatsoever
what is your problem? did they hurt you?
besides - your job is next, computer guy.

>>56766153
>Should switch to saving money
As opposed to?

>>56778866
why even care so much
we've all died a trillion times
things happen, pain is temporary, death is required
enjoy this moment as it is, however it blossoms

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>>56780879
whatever you say bucko

>>56780716
no, not okay, self driving stuff is coming? nothing is safe really, hopefully that's a good thing. Means things have to change and I don't want to work anyway

>>56781190
>Translators are actually in very immediate danger of obsoletion.
having human translators is all about accountability. what is more likely to happen is translators will start translating more documents per hour by leveraging AI. but the translators themselves will not go anywhere.

ITT: trannies that don’t understand exponentials. Have fun