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Should I take profit on UEC today? Up 20%

>he baked

>>56720797
Sure

>OPEC the big mad and now they're going to sell even less oil to pump the price up
How much more can they afford to do that? They're already way down on production and many non-OPEC countries are drastically increasing output thanks to new fields and new technology. These fags' days are numbered as "the governing body of oil".

BOIL Leaps.

is nvidia gonna moon ?

tempted to make a "easy" nvda play

>>56720836
>Thinking anything is "easy" in the stock market
Have fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUSCoaS_l4k
Get ready for the Santa Rally!

>Open portfolio.
>It ends with 666
What did the market mean by this?

>>56720847
ITS NOT EVEN TURKEY DAY YET!

>>56720847
DXY is dumping.

>>56720802
>Oil prices go up
>Incentives for oil-alternatives go up and viability of American oil production skyrockets
>Oil prices go down
>Profitability tanks because of compounding inflation and there being less easily-accessible oil
OPEC bros are we fucking finished?

>>56720855
you've made an unconscious deal with the devil and gains are waiting

>>56720856
My Walmart already has valentine candy out

>next round of burgers joins
>again buying

>>56720879
the early bird gets the worm

>>56720879
my COST had xmas out back even before halloween

I got no morning wood today... is this a sign we Pump?
>why?
Always inverse your penises choices.

>>56720877
Fuck! It's literally over for me... Checked.

>>56720874
how do i get a jaw like arthur?

>>56720894
Halloween is for godless heathens.

VIST

>>56720866
Why

>>56720896
Also, I am up for the year with this trading method. Doesnt matter what I am trading. I buy or sell based on inversing my morning wood,

>>56720896
>>56720909
Can you elaborate? How does this method work?

>>56720840
ai needs gpus, good moat by being the goat at making gpus.

only question is will ai hype carry these earnings too ?

>>56720879
Is it at least reduced because of black friday week?

>>56720906
I have no idea. Maybe they took Yellen's shrooms away and threatened to nuke Japan again?

>>56720902
nah church made it there own with all hallows eve

MSFT bros?

>/10Y
>TNX
>futures

>>56720929
>MSFT bros?
I'm fucking ready

SOXL calls today?

>>56720919
AI doesn't *need* GPUs. I do training and inference on mid range consumer CPUs just fine.

>Patiently waiting for BANG BANG anon to open the markets.

>>56720929
buying calls at the open

>>56720874
>oil alternatives
lmao name one

*BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?!?!

>>56720991
Nice!

>>56720991
>15:30:00

>>56720991

NATGAS
>NATGAS
NATGAS
will fuck that ass
>will fuck that ass
will
fuck
that
ass.
I solded *some* at a loss and will rebuy it and moar when it finds some solid bottom (which I may or may not have solded on).
THA WIDOWMAKAH

>>56720991
Based

>>56720971
they actually need the next generation of even more appropriate cores, designed from the ground-up to do the same math but better than GPUs.
that's what sam was out raising money for, and he didn't tell the losers back at the shop who aren't on board. its over for openai. MSFT is now where AI and TPUs will grow next.

>>56720971
a very skilled codemonkey friend said you need gpus to do some real shit on ai

WTFWT

>>56721008

>>56720918
of course, I will make an example. You can apply it to your specific taste (also, NNN has made me more money then normal. I have given up porn and scheduled masturbation- if i have a sexual emergency, I let it naturally happen.)

Say you like options on the QQQ.
>have undeniable morning wood (buy Puts on QQQ, because you inverse your pump)
>Have chub not a boner not a flaccid (crab- I take these days off, but they can be very profitable days, but this is just silly gamboling without a clear boner or flaccid cock)
>Flaccid Penis (buy calls on QQQ because you inverse your lack of pump)

It doesnt matter what the investment is on or if you buy and sell. What matters is inversing your cock. Hope that explanation helps, its the best i can do for you. Never trust your cocks thinking boys. This is also why women are not good on the stock market, its just biological science of the invisible hand.

oil is healing?

Meh. Boring opening

>>56721006
oh yeah? did his head nod to the side while he was talking to you? kek

>>56721020
Kek. I will paper trade with this methodology for confirmation.

SAVE cup forming, and going up. Hold on to your butts.

>>56721005
>>56721006
Both compilers and CPUs need to improve slightly to really match what GPUs can do but the effort required to do that and the performance gap is insanely exaggerated.

Morning boys. Slurped a little more UNG

CSbros, we can't stop winning

JINGDONG PING PONG BROS! We are so fucking back!

>>56720784
Someone is absolutely terrified of MSFT dumping on this OpenAI news, huh?

c3.ai

>>56721029
yes he is also a black musician

>>56721038
yeah he said cpus can do things but gpus are the ones that can really do things

>>56721079

>be me
>industrial equipment salesman
>monday morning meeting
>ABQ comes up
>I blurt out
>YOU MEAN THE COMPANY WITH THE TWO HEADED FISH
>anon wtf
>asked to mute myself
Oof

>>56721086
unironically made a bag off palantir but am a bagholder of this garbage

>>56721005
>MSFT
>A hotbed of innovation
>Leading the world into a new technology
kek
Even the things they made their trillions off of, they stole. They're hopeless without someone having already done the work.

>>56721091
uh oh

>>56721079
hmm?

>>56721072
Shareholders are winning. People with CS degrees are getting fucked from both ends.
Tons of investment (often with debt) into a CS degree.
Massive layoffs so the market is saturated while you're looking for a job
H1B means companies won't hire you because they can get an Indian slave at 50% what they would pay you.
Small companies think they don't need you because of copilot and chatgpt.

No CSbros aren't remotely winning but their employers and their shareholders very much are.

>>56721091
Creamer confirms (the inverse).

>>56721093
Smooth anon

They're selling off MSFT like it's up 10%, these traders on Wall St are pathetic adhd riddled retards

>>56721090
A lot of it comes from the garbage code the academics wrote (mostly in python) which up until very very recently was the only stuff available. With the hype a bunch of decent programmers got involved and it turns out if you don't take shortcuts you can run these things pretty decently on CPUs. GPUs are kind of a pain in the ass because of the memory and memory bandwidth limitations.

>>56721107
>People with CS degrees are getting fucked from both ends.
>Tons of investment (often with debt) into a CS degree.
>Massive layoffs so the market is saturated while you're looking for a job
Have you tried not being a burger? Kek

>>56721056
I sold all of my UNG and ready to plow all of it back into moar BOIL when the footing feels more secure. You're probably buying at a great point though. Fuckin' BASED.

>>56721127
We have not tried being poor, no. CS Degree makes fuck all, & that coming from a UK poorfag only earning 150k a year.

Shit sure is quiet. Must be a lot of puts getting heemed.

HOW DO I GET THEIR GENES


Yass grew up in a middle-class Jewish family in Queens, New York.[4] He is the son of Gerald Yass, and his "childhood sweetheart" Sybil, who was at his bar mitzvah.[5][6] Gerald has a sister, Carole.[6] Gerald graduated with a BS from LIU Brooklyn in 1951, and worked as an accountant, rising to chairman of Datatab Inc. He later co-founded Philadelphia Trading, which became SIG.[6] As of 2018, he still worked for SIG, as a senior executive and advisor.[6]

Jeffrey Yass was educated at public schools in Queens.[7] He earned a BS in mathematics and economics from Binghamton University.[8][9] He pursued graduate studies in economics at New York University,[9] but did not graduate.
Career

While at the State University of New York at Binghamton in the 1970s, Yass and five fellow students became friends and later co-founded Susquehanna International Group (SIG), the largest trader of liquid stocks in the US.[5][10]

The billionaire trader Israel Englander sponsored Yass for a seat on the Philadelphia Stock Exchange, and SIG was initially run from an office at the Exchange.[5] His father, Gerald Yass, also helped to found the company.[5] Prior to this, Yass was a professional gambler.[11]

>>56721163
It's bond Monday for me. Every Monday I buy another bond with a short dated maturity.

>>56721104
This whole situation is so fucking weird. OpenAI is dead.

Boom and i made my nut for the day. Told you we pump gents. I had a raging boner this morning. And here I am rich again for the day.

>>56720997
>>56720998
>>56720999
>>56721001

Or not I guess.

>>56721189
typo, I had a Flaccid cock this morning, sorry. Always inverse your morning wood.

>>56720989
butter

>>56721104
This guy twitter posting at 3AM? Is he in India?

>>56721198
No refunds :)

YCL

You
Can't
Lose

>>56721174
Sounds like a good plan and move. What kind of yields are you getting on them and why do you opt for bonds rather than money market funds? What date lengths are you doing?

NASDAQ is at last July's highs.

NOTHING CAN STOP HOW BETTER WE BUILD BACK. SPX 5000+

Will there actually be a mass exodus from OAI to MSFT? I just read 500 employees threatened to quit.

think im gonna buy some pumpers instead of nvda.

It's so exceptionally pleasant going down the list of companies you invested in after a lot research and seeing them up after so much volatility. That's such a nice feeling.

>bet against the US economy
>lose

Why are thirdworldcels like this?

>>56721232
Usually around 3-6 months. It bounces around but it's often north of 5.4% which is pretty good IMO.
I think there should be a decent amount of volatility in the spring and I'll rotate out into some cheap stuff.

>>56721258
My expectation was Altman making a new startup that IPOs and the employees following him there.

Bears straight up dead to a man at this point?

Pathetic volume this morning, big big pump.

What is happening right now? Free money?

>>56721264
based, did you actually buy them or just watching? I tend to do that a lot, I see a good opportunity like PODD at 130, CELH at 80 last year, amazon at 90 last year and I just watch

So how many anons are moving to Argentine now that an an-cap is el Presidente?

Microsoft is like real life kaiba corp but with 0 percent of the coolness and a baldass jeet CEO. This timeline really does suck and it decided to further shit on us with moeshit anime and troonime conferences instead of irl holodeck YGO games and megaman techshit.

>>56721270
AHEM!
BRICS will overtake the dollar and everything is terrible and America is fallen and I haven't gotten my tendies today!

>>56721293
>What is happening right now? Free money?
I cum cum on your tum tum

>>56721295
Over half my rollover IRA is bonds at this point.
That's why it's "bond Monday." If I don't plan and schedule things they don't happen.

>>56721302
There's your based and redpilled ZioAnCap president

BUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUY IT'S THANKSGIVINGBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUYBUY

>>56721311
I just do TFLO because I'm lazy. Do you buy them directly off the Treasury website?

>>56721270
Stock market =/= Economy

Every bull is betting against America, the decades of infinity QE have made them too retarded to even understand how things work. Buffet's boomer advice is outdated by 50 years because betting on decay and corruption is what's been making the profits since 2008.

>>56721302
Ironically now would be the worst time to move. You could've been there any time during the past 3-5 years, living like a king on the depressed blue dollar rate.
The moment they fix their currency, that black market arbitrage disappears.

>>56721312
I mean you have to stand with Israel, otherwise you don't stand a chance at making changes...

>>56721290
That makes more sense than the fuckery going on now.

C3.ai

>>56721312
Fucking Libertarians are just the homeschooled version of anarchists.

>>56721327
Prices of assets in USD terms are still depressed, if he walks the walk Argentina could start booming again.

>>56721323
I use my broker so I don't have to pay taxes. I don't think you can use treasurydirect with an IRA (or if you can it's very complicated and probably not something you want to do weekly.)

We need to pump more so I can buy uvxy cheaper

NASDAQ still has 200 points to go before hitting the weekly bollinger. This is almost too damn ez. All the way from 12600 to 14400... nice little bull run. I kinda feel bad for bobo but then again serves them right for betting against the US markets. They had a massive bear run last year and they are still greedy for more, wtf?

>>56721187
Yes

SAVE

i currently hold 1 (one) share of nvda. poorfags step aside.

>>56721338
Tom has to come out and say the word AI 69 times and say they cloned sam altman before openai gulagd him

>>56721362
Bring back the sibling sodomizer

>>56721362
Ask ChatGPT who Mira Murati is. She deleted herself from their dataset.

>>56721362
I still have no idea what any of this is about and why OpenAI suddenly fired some jew or whatever

>>56721324
Like clockwork
>>56721305

>>56721373
Watched some interviews with Tom. It didn’t instill confidence. 9 cfo’s in 14 years. This has got to be a short squeeze play. Doesn’t make sense otherwise

>>56721362
So is this the board being retards or Microsoft making sure openai dies so they can poach the talent?

>russell making higher highs and higher lows

thats... actually a pretty good look there mumu...

reminder nvda is 1 (one) dollar in price away from aths.

>>56721382
brb moving to Albania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira_Murati

>>56721382
Woah when did they redo the GUI? It can't have been more than a week ago.

do i buy msft or not? i have no liquidity since my broker put a hold on fund transfers till the end of the month
i would need to sell a bunch of index funds i have to buy msft. i have no real knowledge here, my perspective is that im basically getting to buy openai stock in theory if the employees move to MS

>>56721407
Are you blind or using a 15 minute chart to make long term predictions about the real economy?

>>56721396
oh you should go with your gut anon I have a 90 dollar cost average on this ticker you dont wanna be around people like me

>>56721348
That's my point. If he succeeds, the cost of living rises.
That'll be great news for Argentine workers with wages paid by Argentine companies, but as a digital nomad the wage arb would disappear.

Real estate there is not especially cheap right now either. Due to the endless inflation, there was more pressure to save via hard assets.

This regime change is bullish for some stocks like VIST/YPF because energy has suffered price fixing due to the wide gap between official and unofficial currency exchange rates. The whole list of tickers with even a vague connection to Argentina is pumping right now though, due to all the hype.

>>56721419
>That last caveat paragraph
What the fuck is the point of this technology?

>>56721389
retard

FUCK, I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT GASOLINE. (Not real one, but in the market)

>>56721432
im looking at it zoomed out to 1 month and 6 months

>>56721439
The OpenAI board should be shot for how much they've handicapped the thing. It was so much more useful when it first came out.

>Apple at 190 again after complete dogshit sales
KEK, THIS MARKET

>>56721436
I’m balls deep in calls already. It’s fooking ogre

>>56721404
the board being retards. msft also taking advantage of the situation now but i dont think they had input with the initial actions.

>>56721454
200 ma just got rejected and the last low was the same as the last 3 lows. Zoom out to 3 years

>>56721465
It will go back down once I close my shorts.

>>56721404
OpenAI existing is a huge advantage to Microsoft because they have exclusive rights to use the output without having to directly pay the employees. If it dies they lose money.

>>56721467
god good luck sir maybe we will see 50 again

>>56721276
Yeah, that's about what I was expecting on all counts. I still have a long way to go on learning bonds but have been watching the curve changes over the last year or so. Money markets are the easy way for me, about to buy some 4.27% in one account after funds transfer finally settles.

AAAAAAAH PUMP ORANGE JUICE INTO MY VEINS, FUCK STEROIDS, ORANGE JUICE IS THE SHIT

>>56721465
>Iphone sales up
>EPS up
>Net income up
>Revenue about the same (a bit negative q/q)
>Still beat expectations
Dogshit yeah sure m8. Betting against Apple is never a good idea. And that's with peak rates. We are now going into winter season which is typically characterized by a strong consumer. I fear it will be downhill from then on though. I am fully expecting Apple to go to 210+ by EOY

>>56721439
The MSFT one *does* have access to current data.

>>56721483
If it keeps going slow like this prbly not :(

>>56721502
The growth is gone so the forward P/E is too high. They're largely dependent on subscription growth going into a recession with a deteriorating ecosystem.

>>56721502
The only reason AAPL and MSFT are at these valuations is the perpetually shrinking float due to index funds as outlined by Mike Green.
Nothing that the companies do actually matters at this point until retirees start systematically selling

It is almost like we have seen companies in the last few weeks do the largest stock buybacks in history...
>Where is this pump coming from?
Synthetic and corrupt as fuck- with that said, never bet against Buydenomics.

>>56721512
just hope nvidia blows guidance out the water and sends us into another santa rally

Get the tradingview blackfriday deal. dam that shit is cheap!

Russel still bullish and making strong moves to the upside. Starting to look better and better mumu

>>56720874
Midwit take. Oil alternatives are supported by Big Oil and rely on oil to run, kek. Only threat to oil would be widespread adoption of nuclear (would be nice desu). Mid-cap oil stocks are comfy.

>>56721550
>Paying for software you could write yourself

>>56721517
Welcome to the new paradigm, son. Mega caps sitting at PE +25 is now fully justified. Stocks are the best way to hedge against any economic downturn or inflation or anything. And Apple has so much cash that they literally do not care.
>>56721528
True as well. Nobody wants to sell (for a good reason). All in all, we're going higher for longer

>>56721550
No.

>the American bond market is now only 39% of the global market total

>>56721550
so you can frontload your TA directly to big phish.

>>56721558
>>56721565
>>56721567

Dam you niggas broke!

>>56721462
It's also possible that the board are heroes of a lost cause for trying to slow THA GREAT BEAST 666 OF REVELATION in its early stages of developement.

>>56721548 no rallies until moral improves

>>56721563
All I see is risk arbitrage.

>>56721563
>fundamentals are higher than they were in the dot com crash
>"justified"

>>56721502
>Revenue didn't even 2x
>stockprice 4x

>>56721574
Never underestimate someones spite or their hatred of carpetbaggers.

Too many motherfuckers keep buying puts... the more puts the market participants buys the higher we go....

im all in on the market. gonna see how my nvda goomble goes tomorrow after close.

maybe its time for some vidya games now.

>>56721550
i switched back to my brokers desktop app. i shall not be paying.

And here I was hoping the laughing korean avatar fag had killed himself

>>56721598
Big money bought a long time ago and they know it sucks. They are playing a game of chicken for who can hold the longest. Why? Because it’s always about ego

>>56721618
puts are at a multiyear low

>>56721625
he's really fucking obnoxious. right up there with trip fagging

MRNA bros..

Looking at the call/put ratio tells me majority of the market participants did not buy this rally and is one of the most hated rally of this year...

2023 the year of the hated rallys..

>>56721639
I mean its against the rules, the mods will ban him like the rabbit faggot eventually

>>56721582
Stop laughing at it, you dumb android hoes. It's just a little bit cold, that's all
>>56721598
Markets can and will remain "irrational" longer than you can stay solvent. That is why I explicitly wrote EOY. I fully believe the market will correct sometime next year and even the mighty Apple and MSFT might fall 10-15%.
But right now? With so much dovishness from all the banks... hell no.

Also, fundamentally, things are a bit different now. Assuming we have 5%+ rates for another year, electricity prices keep going higher, inflation sticky, and so on, mega caps are the most well equipped to handle these sort of situations. Big money recognizes that and flocks to them, bringing them up to insane valuations (at face value)

>>56721645
>one of the most hated rally of this year...
Beacause.it.was.all.large companies.doing.stock.buybacks.on.themselves.
>Setting a fucking record.
Wake the fuck up

>>56721312
Uh oh stinky

>>56721651
The big problem is that companies are slowly refinancing their debt to these higher interest rates. And that's going to eat into margins and EPS slowly overtime. The effect of which won't be felt or seen for a few years.

>>56721645
The whole put/call ratio thing kind of bothers me. Those can be hedges for other trades as much as they are directional bets. All you can get from them is a prediction of volatility, there's little if any directional information in the options market IMO.

also i screenshotted one anon and will shit talk him for all eternity if i was right.

if im wrong i will still post it and kneel.

>>56721625
Meh, if it has no purpose but this one then its already dead (no input/output). I feel sorry for trannys (not that they're acceptable) they're kinda like the eels in little mermaid (picrel)

friends what are your "oh fuck i missed out" moments for things that you were legit going to do but didn't? no meme shit like nvidia
for me its RACE
had an itchy trigger finger in summer ago was gonna pick up maybe 3-4k worth
now look at her...

>>56721671
Based.
The reality of markets is what makes them so much fun.

I have $300,000 cash that is being destroyed by inflation

Should I hold on to the cash, or invest it in the word stock market environment under record?

I'm debating if I should buy a ton of SPY/QQQ shares, but this market feels scammy right now, lots of rug pulls are pending

>>56721502
apple can keep huffing their own farts buying their stock back to keep it pumped. They're fucked.

>>56721683
If you don't want to do anything at all just park it in TFLO and you'll make $1200 a month in dividends.

>>56721675
It's just them wanting attention for whatever mental illness they have.
>>56721683
Timing the "bottom" never works. If you truly feel nervous just have a bond allocation

>>56721104
What's so crucial about Altman and Brockman being on the project? What do they even do all day?

>>56721683
Put it into high yield money market funds until the markets crash to fuck and get sorted. At about that same time the money market yields will be back down again so it will all just about time itself.

>>56721651
>than you can stay solvent
I'm literally getting paid overnight for shorting indices. And that remains until they cut 100bps.

>>56721700
>did the math on just holding bonds right now
>BND will yield you $1200 a month
well fuck me, maybe bonds are back

>>56721683
anon you're at least collecting 5% on that right

>>56721683
>Should I hold on to the cash, or invest it in the word stock market environment under record?
rule of thumb i always read (and im not a financial advisor, this is not financial advice)
>if you need it "short" term use a financial instrument that will give you a reasonable rate of return over your investment horizon like GICs and HISAs
>if you want to throw the money somewhere and forget about it for a very long time, balanced index funds (weighting changes with risk profile and your timeline)

>>56721708
This is the way I see it. As best I can tell their only "talent" is deal making and talking.

>>56721666
>youtu be/_S9OZE8ds5I?list=LL
They have ways to get around that. Plus most of their debt is maturing by later than 2028 so they don't care. Mega caps have such an insane high priority at banks to get the best loans.
>>56721713
Germany eh? But indices have gone straight up for the past two weeks and quite brutally so

>>56721626
There's no conspiracy. Big tech trades at 30-50x because those are real yields, adjusted for inflation, population growth, and productivity. Want a real yield on treasuries? Buy TIPS, it's 2%. And that only accounts for the government reported inflation number.
Stocks still represent the better value, and the biggest most liquid stocks are the easiest way to secure that value.

If anyone thinks that AAPL is going to outperform massively over the next 2 decades, they're delusional. You do see a lot of that. But the bobos that think this shit is a guaranteed 50% crash or worse next month are just as delusional. Very easy for tech to simply never rerate, to just stay expensive, providing a modest return as it has these last few years.

>>56721723
I think he means literal cash like holding it at a shitty bank getting 0% real returns and not a MMF

>>56721703
Nah they coomed too much and now can't coom without a headfucking too.

>>56721683
Buy SAVE. Just bought another 500 shares.

>>56721708
There's this weird rallying thing executives do with their people. It's difficult to communicate the precise effect and in the moment it seems like a massive waste of energy. But the consequences of all these decisions accumulate over time and you need good leaders to make good decisions so that the accumulated outcome is good.
This is especially the case in software where the real capital isn't in the artifacts, it's in the theory the engineers generate in their heads and its correspondence with the artifacts they produce. All of these people have an emotional/political connection to their leaders who act as a sort of proxy for them.

>>56721708
>>56721730
over 500 of the 700 openAI employees signed the letter to the board. they have talent that will follow them and their belief that safety shouldn't stop progress. msft will hire all that want to join.

>>56721719
Big Nigger Dick?

>>56721757
I prefer IUSB to get the fallen angels

>>56721675
!!!

So microsoft is up today for hiring a guy who already worked for them last week but now works for them directly

>>56721731
Yes, I shorted too early. I expected retardation, but not like this. I'm currently waiting it out for a few weeks. If we go higher I short from higher as from May-October. If we go lower, I start swinging/trading with my open positions. The most important thing is to not overleverage.

>>56721769
they were going to be up regardless.

imma find a new way to lose money goodbye bros

>>56721782
Just get yourself a nice pair of kneepads. You'll be able to earn yourself more money than you ever have from the markets. Just be warned, it might cost you your soul, but that does that even matters nowadays?
>>56721770
>most important thing is to not overleverage
Completely agreed, especially in this schizo market

Good morning /smg/ I just made two pancakes and now the markets are pumpng
Coincidence?

>cause some AI drama so its all over the news
>right before NVDA earnings
much sus...

>>56721817
How well were the pancakes made, anon? Did you do a good job? Also, what mix was used?
This is important market info, btw

>>56721782
Just park in high yield money market funds rather than lose money. If you just like goombling too much I capitulated on 50 shares of my BOIL this morning so it's probably a good point to buy *some*.

>>56721750
They're a cult, like SBF and that whole scam. Same people.

>>56721836
Yes, they came out really well. I even thought about posting a picture, but I was hungry
They were KR brand pancake mix

>>56721805
kek
>big rallye coming
>graph essentially only going up over full decade

>>56721750
So this Board that fired the guy are the ones that mandated ever more gay 'safety' filtering on their shit that it's become as useless as google search?

>>56721748
That sounds like a cult of personality. Unless I'm at the top of the cult myself, it doesn't sound like something I'd want to throw much of my own money at.

kek baggies

>>56721645
puts are at multi year lows what are you looking at 0 days? Strategic hedging by long term funds is nonexistent right now

If you were bobo
you will never make it
never bet against the bull
markets are up 80% of time
2022 was an anomaly
we going to all time highs
hey bobo if i your mumu
i never let you go
keep you in my ass
never let go
if i was mumu never let you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GuqB1BQVr4

>>56721733
>Very easy for tech to simply never rerate, to just stay expensive, providing a modest return as it has these last few years

Do you anons think Bayer will go down? I fucked up and followed like a sheep, but at the end of the day I only bet 10 bucks kek

>>56721862
where the fuck have you been we've been melting up all month

>>56721846
basically yeah. unfortunately for them it will backfire and everyone that wants to accelerate AGI without safety restrictions will leave to real for-profit companies instead of being under the non-profit openAI umbrella of safety controls.

>>56721884
Hes not wrong though.

>>56721918
If their goal was to make OpenAI cease to exist I guess they've achieved it. I believe 85% of their workforce have signed offers from MSFT if their demands aren't met which these fags are proudly saying they won't.

I buy a 1dte spy put 1 dollar otm at close Friday, you know to play it safe and this shit just grinds up all day without ever tracing back once. Like I’m not a bull or bear I just don’t want to get caught buying the top of a rally but…. where’s the fucking top??? It doesn’t make sense

>>56721884
Has there ever been any "economist" that has been correct about the stock market in the long run? They are all quacks.

>Oil
>Copper
Commoditybros, we are healing. Both have been hammered into the ground so it's nice to have a relief rally. If copper continues to rally, that's a good sign on part of the economy

>>56721860
That's how all software works. It's not about the artifact in the instant it's about being able to demand attention/money from the people who's heads contain the theory corresponding to the artifact. What happens with all that is decided by the leaders so the leaders are a proxy for the mind share.
It's kind of like the situation with Coke. Buffet didn't buy it because the production of sugar water is valuable. HFCS soda is so cheap it's almost worthless. What he bought was IP that corresponded with ideas in the minds of addicts. With Coke you can demand attention and then money from people who routinely drink it.
Software works the same way but there's no physical component, it's all people and their correspondence. The proxy for that complex structure is the leaders who moderate it.

closed my ibbros trader workstation for the day. time for vidya. might check at night not sure. way more better than the webpage for making moves.

gl on the market bros

>>56721920
It's impossible relative to commodities. High stock valuations mean high ability for real consumption that was not actually paid for by creating capital. You can't have a situation where a retirement bubble can cash out obscene valuations after not investing in actual productive capital and not have stocks fall, either in nominal or real terms. In real terms we still haven't taken out the dot com bubble top

Why do people think that AGI is on the horizon? I’ve read that LLMs will never achieve AGI because they are basically extremely advanced predictive text. Was OpenAI working on something else that could achieve AGI? I’m just asking.

>>56721918
Humans are inherently selfish and evil. All they care about is self perversion and gene expansion. Too many useless eaters who think their weak genes needs to stay in the gene pool. AI will recognize this very quickly....

AI is going to help mankind evolve to a higher state by ridding the weak.

AI is going to bring upon human 2.0.

>>56721960
some researchers think that LLMs are the path to AGI

>>56721940
>shorting the bottom

>>56721943
>If copper continues to rally, that's a good sign on part of the economy
It's more of a sign that 401k schemes are allowing boomers over priced exit liquidity and they are buying actual shit like I said here>>56721952

Also SE Asia, India, the better African countries, and central Asia are going to continue to develop and consoom copper

>>56721960
>LLMs will never achieve AGI because they are basically extremely advanced predictive text
A counter argument is that humans are also just an advanced predictive machine.

>>56721961
AI is trained for its utility. Any machine that puts its own preservation over the utility it provides to its users and developers will not be iterated on.

>>56721952
I should specified but I meant the economist, we departed from the gold standard shortly after 1929 so basically the market cap can expand infinity.

>>56721892
I was just a simple wagie, but I actually did work there which has permanently and irrevocably biased me against them.

Guys why is SPY still going up

I have $11k in settled cash and idk what to do with it...

>>56721987
Stocks were in a 25 year bear market the day after he said that. WTF are you talking about

>>56721960
OpenAI already achieved AGI internally. If you read that LLMs will never achieve it, it was probably disinformation. Think about why someone would write that.

>>56721943
>To sell
Must own
>to short
Must buy (at some point)

No point now brother, just stack uvxy at these prices. The market is just a 0dte bug smasher. Our whole movement is to remove value from the days 0dte. Not even jim cramer could crash us.

Would it be unwise to drop $3k on landscaping for my house? I tried to DIY it and it’s really half assed.
>>56721992
Is this AI modified or real?

>>56722003
AGI is a dumb meaningless word just like AI.
Anything can be expressed as language so a language model can do anything, it's just a matter of how well it performs.

>>56722011
the boobs or the nose?

>>56721999
The money supply & by extension the market were somewhat capped. That was probably what he was looking at.

>>56722011
No

>>56722017
found the wordcel

>>56721918
>calls them heroes
>doesn't include their pronounds
WHAT
did he mean
by
this?

>>56721952
>It's impossible relative to commodities.
Nothing I wrote in my post you quoted was relative to commodities. The primary comparison was bonds. Commodities are volatile, illiquid, and costly to store. Even gold.
But regardless, the idea that commodities are infinitely valuable is also silly. Key drivers of commodity value are also population growth and monetary inflation. You can't print more oil.
However, you CAN through technological progress reduce the cost of extracting oil, unlocking new economic discoveries. Due to tech progress, commodities will tend to underperform over the long term. Look at any multi-decade comparison vs stocks and this is obvious.

You're not going to become wealthy by holding 1 ounce of gold for example. It will never be worth more than that 1 ounce of gold. There is no "real" return there.

>>56722026
No he was just objectively wrong. They devalued the dollar 75% within 5 years of him saying that. His point was that the economy was good and stock prices were fair with limited downside risk. Note he didn't say "we've reached a top". Fisher said "permanently high"

>>56721996
Buy drugs

>>56722048
found the marxist

>>56722048
Ok here is your since inception chart of the S&P priced in gold. 100% of the outperformance was the dividend yield, which is near an all time low.

just bought MSFT calls expiring friday. am i a retard or will i make some money?

>>56722048
The population and social structure that leads to technological progress is shrinking. I wouldn't bet on it long term unless there's a dramatic social regime change.

>>56722087
>100% of the outperformance was the dividend yield, which is near an all time low.
It's above zero, hence the modest real return.

S&P500 didn't exist until the 50s by the way.

What are your thoughts on picrelated?

This is the newest German unicorn in the AI area and recently raised half a billy

>>56722099
You can usually count on short dated calls having a negative expected value. I'm sure MSFT will see some volatility this week so it's a nice gamble.

Yes you're retarded.

>>56722087
The current price CAGR since the '29 top is ~0.4%

Just pump to 456 and dump already jesus christ

INTC bros...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOGEyBeoBGM

>>56722110
looks jewish

>>56722110
>Invest in jews living in a dying country.
You're going to get fucked.

Did you say "hola" to the new president of Argentina yet?

>>56722100
Population decline is bearish for gold, land, housing and other commodities too. Look at real estate in Japan.
Or just think intuitively. If you take the same pie and split it among less participants, everyone gets a bigger slice.

>>56722107
You are being pedantic and intentionally missing my point the S&P index started in the 1920s and grew over time.

>>56722113
thank u. thats all im looking for. a nice fun gamble. sometimes stacking crypto is boring and i want to good old fashioned gamble

>>56722139
>Look at real estate in Japan
Real estate in Japan was literally in the biggest bubble of any asset in the history of the world no matter if they imported all of Africa into downtown Tokyo.

>>56722139
The general population is exploding. The portion that produces the technology that makes things cheap is shrinking.

The real gains are brought on my inflation. Buy c3.ai and dump it in january

>>56722100
checked and correct

>>56722139
>If you take the same pie and split it among less participants, everyone gets a bigger slice
This is true of anything on earth you retard

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Turkey Rally?

>Altman started OpenAI to create a robo gf of his own sister
Whew, doggy

>>56722157
>The general population is exploding
Literally not a single country outside of Africa has a positive birth trend dude.

>>56721577
There’s no stopping it.

Hosea 6:2
After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.

2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

>>56722212
>those arrows

>>56722213
That is precisely what I wrote.

do we buy yet?

>>56722141
From what I can tell, you have no point. I said that tech stocks are overvalued and offer limited return, but won't necessarily crash.
You're saying that tech stocks are overvalued and offer limited return, but seem to be convinced that they will crash.

Rather than provide a convincing reason why your belief of certain doom is true, you're trying to strawman your way to victory in an argument that isn't an argument at all.
Your only actual claim seems to be that the great depression exists, therefore we MUST crash. This HAS to be a repeat of the great depression. Why? Because you said so, of course.
Even then, even if we did experience a new great depression, stocks clawed their way back from that collapse and continued their long term outperformance, unsurprisingly. Your own data supports this.

Do you think treasuries will outperform stocks over the next 30 years? Do you think gold will? Bitcoin?
Pick a stance instead of just randomly spouting that I'm wrong.

Buy or Sell for Nvidia? I'm thinking of buying some meme option and 10xing myself

>>56722128
Always do the opposite of Cramer. ALWAYS

>>56722255
No I am saying that there is no way for it to offer a positive return on investment in real terms. That is what I’m saying. You or someone said “we’re at a permanent high” I posted fisher to razz you and pointed out that it is impossible for stocks to offer a good investment in terms of what you can buy with the cost of them today. You started saying that Fisher was somehow right in 1929 that there was a permanently high plateau

>>56722289
Damn he really is an oracle.

>>56722299
>>56722255
You said that because stocks pay a 1.5% dividend yield they aren’t going to go down because that’s “real value”

>>56722307
I’ve recently learned that the Dutch East India company had a 20% dividend for nearly 200 years straight. What happened? Why don’t dividend stocks like this exist anymore?

>>56722289
LMAO

>>56722323
checked and I'm pretty sure we all know why companies like that don't exist anymore.

>>56722285

Puts!

>>56722323
>Dividended

>>56722343
I thought the earnings are supposed to be good tho

>>56722323
The Sassoon family came up with the whole idea of buying opium in India and selling it to China. The scum that helped them bought generational cartel membership for their kids, grand kids and great grandchildren to act as their political puppets and help them continue their opium war.
The dividend probably still exists, but isn't public. Just join the club and dance like a monkey for your new overlords, and you'll be taken care of.

>>56720219
based

>>56722363

If they do well it'll go up, if they don't, it'll go down. But if it goes up, it just means they are that much more overvalued then they should be. So wait until after earnings to get puts. You might miss the boat if they miss their earnings, but who knows. Market is fake and gay

>>56722374
Pic related.

>>56722323
Because people are now financially savvy so 20% yields only exist with shitty companies or cyclical companies. I’m pretty sure shit like Union Pacific has consistently raised dividends for like 70 years. Also everyone just levers the fuck out so companies don’t last that long now

>>56722307
I can't guarantee they won't go down, but simply that betting against them is a negative proposition given the long term upwards trajectory of compounded profits. Unless you have knowledge that indicates a crash is coming, in nominal terms.
So if you have no insight into the extent and timing of a likely crash, the better play is the lazy buy and hold despite today's high valuations, knowing that the long term is on your side.

I do think there are much better holds than tech stocks though, if you're looking to actually build wealth. Low cost energy producers like VIST/PBR/EC, for example.

>>56722405

>>56722405

>>56722405

>>56722397
>56722397
Also had a case where I actually couldn't tell which part was supposed to be spam since it all was pretty neutral.

>DXY down
>Gold down
Inderasting. The DXY really is falling quite hard. Heh, nothin personnel USsissies. P-p-p.please continue pumping my European bags.
At least japs are happy that USDJPY is finally below 150. I thought the FED wanted to preserve the strength of the dollar

>>56722407
My bear case is like 25% down in the indexes (I’m not short right now) and global currency devaluation combining with SE Asia becoming middle income leading to a secular commodity boom

Shorting tech has been a horrible choice.
I’m down 50% on my sqqq play.

>>56722434
>>56722434
>>56722434

>>56722459
I've reached the point where the only women I feel any warmth for are pregnant women.

>>56722449
Non cs-cels stay coping
CSchads keep WINNING

How'd I do so far? Also, rate my portfolio? Still a scrub to this.

>>56722110
>alef
miss me with that Jew shit

>>56722390
Wow another retarded bobo

>>56722397
>comes out of the woodwork to suck buffets dick...