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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
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Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Reporting in
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Swimng Pool - https://pastebin.com/raw/Mb7Dyg24
IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
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Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Buy silver/gold bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Monero-only Airbnb
https://safehouse.homes/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.win/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/ev2jTUKS


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
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>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE


>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.


>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total BTC = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings BTC would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per BTC and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

>Vintage bump

ok so apparently you can manually choose the words for your mnemonic seed, but you need to use the 'correct' dictionary.
>https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/4101/can-you-choose-the-mnemonic-seed-to-create-a-wallet
From my understanding, the only way to be 100% sure your cold wallet seed is not compromised is to choose the words yourself. I know too little about this stuff. i better go educate myself.

Monero baggies are the saddest midwits on biz. Imagine thinking that the coin with:

- infinite supply
- endless hardforks
- an unknown number of inflation bugs
- centralized development
- tiny hashrate

could ever compete with Bitcoin. Give it up, you're just embarrasing yourselves at this point.

>>56613484
truth, it's all tech illiterate narrative, which doesn't nullify the existence of this project, but still

I can't pump.

>>56613484
>blm id
>btc maxi
ok faggot, now leave. not even gonna answer to your nonsensical rambling.

>>56613484
monero haters are the saddest midwits on biz

infinite seethe, infinite cope, tiny cock, infinitely gay and faggot

>>56613484
More for me, fuck off.

>>56613432
>choose the words yourself
Via diceware tho. Mathchads are abstract pattern seekers, and can sus out a plebs choosing cute and appealing patterns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj_W3xOlt6U

>>56613128
Gap status: filled.

>>56613484
All of that applies to Bitcoin too.

>>56613216
Drivechain fixes this. Expect a Bitcoin drivechain hard fork soon

>>56613128
Do you guys actually hold this coin long term?

I thought it was just for buying drugs

>>56615287
Two things can be true at once.

>>56614870
The absolute state of monerofaggots
They don't even think anymore when typing

>>56615374
are you just shitposting for fun or do you actually think some goal will be achieved some day

>>56614896
You must be new. It seems very odd that something that was completely ignored for years is now on the agenda.

>>56613484
>Imagine thinking that the coin with ....... could ever compete with Bitcoin

lol have you visited the darknet lately? Have you noticed what extremist groups are demanding lately? Have you seen which crypto now dominates the purchasing of gift cards?

Bitcoin keeps getting its ass handed to it by Monero wherever actual utilization of crypto is happening, I'm sure you'll now move the goalposts in a pathetic attempt to downplay this trend.

I accidently generated this

>>56617236
>I accidently generated this

Well don't stop now!

>>56614148
I'm not sure about these dicerolls. I'm not gonna pick the words depending on how cute or for how much they rhyme. I'll pick some random numbers from the list of words and add the word to the mnemonic seed. I guess i could go half picked by dice and the other half by me (randomly).
I still dont understand why do i need to pick the words from a premade dictionary.

>>56613484
>Imagine thinking that the coin with: could ever compete with Bitcoin
It couldn't compete with Bitcoin because it WON

Cleaned up the OP image.

>>56617615
Diceware was originally used for passwords, and the threat model assumes your attacker knows which list you used.
>The other half by me (randomly)
You aren't random

>>56613128
I LOVE YOU MOMNERO CHAN

>>56615287
Nobody knows if I am holding Monero

>>56613128
I like the Monero project. Bitcoin will continue to infect global finance and crush fiat. Monero will tag along and possibly usurp % gains wise at this point due to btc trillion dollar valuation vs Monero 3 billion. Volume is 3x higher than normal levels or more, bull market conditions on a deflationary crypto does not compute to anything but gains. We go up

>>56619411
>Bitcoin will continue to infect global finance and crush fiat. Monero will tag along

Monero is actually used and on its own trajectory, BTC can have the clown market all to itself.

>>56619504
Monero was doing good at the beginning stages of this bull market. It held some support levels at incredibly low volume compared to now. No one wanted to be caught selling. Speculator money is too much of a force however to ignore, they can leverage and drive prices where they want once we are in speculative territory. But the beauty is, being a deflationary crypto with a hard limit on supply, and our miners are decentralized and consist of a lot of actual holders rather than just mining conglomerates like Bitcoin which need to sell their mined coins in order to stay in business. I like the Monero project!

>>56619623

Wash traders gotta eat.

Any anons here have experience with MEXC? It seems to not require KYC and has good volume although it looks a bit suspicious. Is it a good place to buy monero?

God bless motherfucking Monero

what are yalls thoughts on the CCS fund draining? do you think fuffy or luigi actually did it? maybe a lastpass leak since that got hacked?
curious what people are thinking about it

https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/916

>>56620753
it shows either those deep in charge of monero are either incompetent (but the slow and broken development of monerod already confirmed this) or they're so poor 500k is worth losing all their trust for,

>>56620753
and also Justin Ehrenhofer's new research group trying to track where they could have gone using the private keys

https://moonstoneresearch.com/2023/11/03/Postmortem-of-Monero-CCS-Hack

>>56620753
I highly doubt the devs did it
but I have no idea what happened but would love to know
on a side note 500k is not too poor standard imho
I still trust monero, always

>>56620843
I dont think fluffy would have done it, i dont really know much about luigi or am i suggesting it was him. but i thought fluffy lost keys access after he was arrested a few years ago? was looking around a little earlier to see if i could find that somewhere

>>56620753

Slicc Ricc had ample opportunity to steal waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more back in the day but didn't. He's also a private jet-flying multi-millionaire, motherfucker walks around with a designer watch worth literally $900K.

Luigi is another matter, nobody knows much about him but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, he's done a lot of work for the cause.

Ultimately, we'll probably never know, which is for the best since this actually ends up being a practical demonstration of Monero's efficacy.

Look what I found by weeb coomers:
>Onionket (or "Onion Comic Market") is a decentralized, censorship-resistant online doujin/art festival hosted exclusively in the Dark Web. Using an open-source program called "OnionShare", we give artists a SIMPLE, FREE, and CENSORSHIP-RESISTANT way to distribute their work. Using an open-source program called "OnionShare", each artist creates and hosts their own simple .onion website on the Tor network. Onionket collects and publishes a catalog of these links, allowing others to browse and access them. Each site is totally under the artist's control, making censorship impossible. And being on the Tor network means heightened privacy for fans and artists alike.
http://cfxnvps5mxzdfh7aw5gwhhx2hmbr5vbww4m4m3znk6sjxnrd6l7bvnid.onion

They have a project called Mitra.
>A Monero-powered Patreon for artists on Tor.
http://cfxnvps5mxzdfh7aw5gwhhx2hmbr5vbww4m4m3znk6sjxnrd6l7bvnid.onion/mitra.html

>>56613432
I remember using dice rolls to create wallets being a thing. Some schizos who didn't trust the random number generator of the computer to not be backdoored did that. Kinda pointless in my opinion.
The positions of the words in the list just translates to numbers which then translate to the bytes of the private key. In fact you can directly use these numbers instead of words in some(all?) wallets. Also only the first 3 (or 4?) letters of the words matter, you can skip the rest too. There are different word list options for different languages.
Just make sure the words/numbers/bytes are actually random or they will get guessed and you'll get pwnd. Related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foil0hzl4Pg

>>56621301
Mitra is made by silverpill anon a Monero chad that has been developing fediverse shit for a long time and thinks mastodon is better than nostr but the official mitra instance is invite-only, how did you randomly find a weeb coomer version of it?

>>56621619
>>56621619
Now this is the kind of answer i was waiting for. Thanks anon, things are way clearer now.

>>56621301

Nice find. We need to spread the word about projects like this.

I could be convinced to buy some xmr if I can be reassured there isnt an inflation bug.

Can it even be proven?

>>56625170
https://www.moneroinflation.com/inflation

It’s easy anon. If there was inflation present then the emission (block reward) would be fucked up. It’s not, therefore it’s not fucked up. We have lower inflation than bitcoin currently. The people mining monero and not centralized monitoring conglomerates which have to dump like bitcoin.

Want to pay for your luxury cruise in the Caribbean with Monero? All inclusive diving tours and certification options?

I have a 50ft I want to put a big nice Monero logo on, showing presence for the best form of money humanity will ever make.

Let me know of your interest at
ploonter888@proton.me

>>56624343
that bitch looks familiar af

>>56625505
>We have lower inflation than bitcoin currently.
if you mean the currency emission, then yes. but inflation is not only determined by that. Monero is increasing its value against pretty much every other product and service but bitcoin is performing even better.
We can discuss why btc is doing so well and we all know its growth is inorganic af so at some point is going to plummet real hard.

>>56620753
It was probably a hack. If you can SSH into a wallet is it really cold? In terms of money $500k is not a lot for those guys. Even for Monero we have blown more money on things that went nowhere like $1m for Globee. $500k for a kick up the ass in terms of security is something at least. I can see multisig getting more attention now.

>>56625505

Also, if there was an active inflation bug exchanges would have an overabundance of supply and wouldnt need to keep suspending withdrawrals.

>>56629056
>garter belt
Hot. Sounds like something she would wear.

I'm going to throw a schizo theory out that companies you see on even the SP500 even older then your typical big tech like microsoft or apple were getting tired of paying taxes and behind closed doors bitcoin was always a tax evasion game when accounting and law tricks stopped working as easily. Tether was part of the system and a lot of really high ups in business/government know the tether system will end and monero is secretly going to replace tether quietly in the next 4-8 years. Screenshot if you want but I think the real black swan event will be something big like its 2027 or 2028 in a crypto bear market and a publicly traded company with a 10 billion plus marketcap gets cyber attacked and says the hacking group made them pay a ransom in monero, which sets off a series of events leading to monero slowly becoming the one cryptocoin to actually be used for transactions. When it was really set up to transfer money. Then you see monero in marketcap fly past chainlink in one day and people realize coins outside monero are really shitcoins that are going to zero.

>>56629686
Where does the 4-8 year timeline come from?

>>56620001
Anyone?

>>56613432
I want to know more on this as well, why do they have to be English words, can they be random characters or some other language

>>56620001
Never heard of it. Not usually a good sign.

>>56613189
b4s3d

>>56629776
I don't think there is a timeline but I predict there will be some events that happen 2025-2028 where the crypto space gets funky. I think there will be some time where blockchain is accepted as worthless for anything but peer to peer transactions and stablecoins go bust. I'm guessing next crash will see a lot more then FTX events and smart money will sell btc profits into xmr after realizing xmr was the most stable non "stable"coin this bear market, xmr related markets will only grow and interest in monero projects will take interest away from the rest of crypto space. ETH foundation will fall apart and all the shitcoins like avax or chainlink will bleed out instead of making new ATH.

>>56630017
avax is a shitcoin, correct. but you are out of your mind that eth and chainlink will fade into obscurity for peer to peer only. that is NEVER going to happen. this is like saying, yeah, the internet is just peer to peer sharing files with my mates, there is nothing else, no ecommerce broski

stable coins will never go away. if xhv would've been a good project it would've fucking elminitated xmr for not having private stables.

>>56629855
they sure can, probably for wallet software that integrates it based on what language you using
https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/mnemonics/english.h

>>56629855
>>56630110
the real alpha is storing your seed words as handwritten chink characters

>>56629873
That's true but now with kucoin being kyc only there doesn't seem to be another option besides tradeogre which has very low liquidity.

>>56631625
Just buy in small chunks at a time. Arb bots will replenish the Monero liquidity on tradeogre pretty rapidly.

can we start analysis about why we missed the bull market?
is the stable meme real?
>>56620797
you mean having the wallet seed, transaction ids and all the details of the transactions, it's not enough for monero developers to pin point where the money is?
so traceable
>>56620753
I bet it was that fluffy bastard

>>56630952
Chinese support for Monero o ya. Got Russian in there too. Japan too even though those faggots banned Monero. Monero big in certain places more than others, Ukraine, Vietnam, China all like the project

we are up
LET'S FUCKING GO

What do you guys think of Zcash? Its only $30 and is supposed to have really good privacy features, might be the next 10x.

>>56635089
it's gay

is 500 XMR a good stack

>>56635089
Enjoy the dev tax, the glownigger CEO, and 95% of the transactions being public

>>56631758
Monero had one bull market and never again

>>56615657
It popped onto the agenda because Lukedashjr made a pull request

—56635561 anon nigger
Lmfao what is with the Monero is bad shills. Listen fuckos, you aren’t getting anyone here to sell their Monero. It’s a great project and glad to support the continued enhancements of blockchain technology. Satoshi nakamoto would be proud of Monero and take a shit on the centralized bitcoin. Simple as

>>56613432
you CANT do this. xmr seeds require a checksum word that needs to be calculated mathmatically when the seed is generated.

>>56629855
ill give you a lil sumin on seeds: you only need to store the first 3 letters of each seed word (if english, other languages require more, some languages need 4 letters).

try a restore using the first 3 of each and youll see.

now a seed like: catch trigger normie west hammer ... becomes
cat tri nor wes ham

now that it is only 3 letters fixed length... lets join em: cattrinorwesham...
when the words become fixed length you can do A LOT to obfuscate then. flip em, cut em in half, rot13 em. etc.
now it doesnt look like a seed, but it still is. enjoy :)

>>56636249
IGNORE this i didnt understand what anon was saying. but yes you do need to calc the checksum.

https://moneromarket.io/listing/cf44ce2e-6fb2-43c0-a691-e62b8b13e964

Hello guys. I am offering custom hand made brand design packages for 5 XMR. This includes a logo, a letter, biz cards, and some other misc goodies for your brand. I lowered the price from the market rate of 38XMR to 20 to 15 to 10 and now 5. It's not going any lower than this folks. This money coming in goes to paying for food and expenses as I'm a foreign student, nothing else.

>How it works
You give me the name of the brand and any desired colors along with any feelings you'd like to invoke. I'll make you several mockups/examples of the logomark. I'll keep sending you examples until you decide on something and when you do, you pay for the product. Design materials would be sent after payment, just provide me an email too along with your brand specifications

>no one ever contacted me for a purchase, only to keep lowering down the price
It's definitely over. Seems like this is the end of the line for me. I'll just go work at a sushi place part time. If anyone's interested, let me know. Otherwise, goodbye forever friends

>>56636720
Yea squishi place, and use your Monero on the darknet to be a true businessman buying and selling product. not this brand bullshit lmao the fuck. Anywho, it’s this fucking simple anon

>>56635582
Is it going to get up?

>>56635089
>What do you guys think of Zcash?

Why do you think so many shithole dwellers are shilling it?

>>56636720
>It's definitely over. Seems like this is the end of the line for me. I'll just go work at a sushi place part time. If anyone's interested, let me know. Otherwise, goodbye forever friends
nooooo

RIP Brandanon. AI logos replaced another victim

>>56636720
Unironically try shilling on reddit. You're more likely to run into someone in need of your service

is it even worth mining with my old laptop i never use anymore if i only profit like 2 cents per day after everything? i feel bad not using it for something but i use a desktop i built in May instead now for the most part

>>56643059
>is it even worth mining with my old laptop i never use anymore if i only profit like 2 cents per day after everything?
Yes. You may not profit from it but it will help secure the network.

>>56643188
okay, i set it up to run on p2pool and put it in my closet

I'm out of hopium

>>56643658

>>56643667
done

>>56643851
thanks for playing. Ever heard of Link?

monero is so damn stable that i've started buying shitcoins with my paycheck for fun.
very comfy.

Finally some fucking Monerochan.

So I’ve been in monero and the monero community for about a year, I managed to accumulate like 12 of them, considering the fact that I am still a teen working a part time job in a third world country I don’t think that’s bad. I don’t regret buying it for it had made me interested in the world of privacy, and government free society. However when I started buying it I didn’t only buy it to buy weed on the dark web but to make some money from it, and in 1 year I’m like 6% up. The stuff that people say on this board is making me really skeptical about monero as an investment whereas other coins are having a steep climb (BTC,ETH,Link,SOL…etc) XMR is crabbing between 150-160€. And I honestly don’t know if I should continue accumulating XMR or try the coins menotined above

>>56644810
Chase shitcoin gains
Cash out in monero
Simple as

I've started mining Monero again. I estimate I'll manage to make a little over 1 XMR a year at 16 KH/s. It's not much but now that I think about it if I had been doing it the past 2 years when I stopped before I would already have made 2 extra XMR.

I'll keep it going this time.

>>56644579
Kill yourself

>>56643059
It's not. Theoretically any hash rate you add to the network will just lower the profitability for a rational actor who would have otherwise done that mining. In practice your laptop will never mine a block or make any impact on the network but will cost you a small amount in electricity. The worst thing about it though is the waste of your mental capacity. The time it takes to set up, the part of your brain that remembers it's there, the time spent checking up on it, fixing it when it breaks, updating it. All a terrible waste of mental reserves. Even making a shitty meme would be a better use of effort.

This guy is a spastic >>56643188

>>56645959
What coins would be better to mine/stack out of xrp, eth, ada, or link? I'd like to commit to one and hodl but am afraid of getting kiked and don't really understand how to choose based off use case/purpose and most the descriptions use made up faintec words and phrases that don't mean anything to me. xmr. was the only exception and its stale.

>>56647056
>xrp won their legal bullshit but is otherwise an "in case of apocalypse" type coin
>Vitamin Butter will steal your efferiums if you're a bad goy (determination made solely by him/globohomo)
>no clue about ada, which means it's probably the best choice given these options
>link is link, the holders have been getting betrayed every week for the last six years but they seem to enjoy it

>>56647056
You can't mine any of those. Monero is the only coin you can mine now and it's the only coin you should stack too. What kind of dumb question is that?

>>56644810
>The stuff that people say on this board is making me really skeptical about monero as an investment whereas other coins are having a steep climb (BTC,ETH,Link,SOL…etc) XMR is crabbing between 150-160€. And I honestly don’t know if I should continue accumulating XMR or try the coins menotined above

1. Crypto was never intended to be an investment.
2. Fraud, price manipulation and manic speculation rather than actual utilization are what drives price action in this clown market.
3. Therefore, nobody here is actually investing - they're straight up gambling, playing with a stacked deck.
4. Feel free to gamble but don't be shocked when you get rugged.
5. Because it is actually used and has growing demand from organized crime, black markets and assorted extremist groups, Monero is the only crypto that can survive a total market collapse.
6. Because Monero has to appreciate organically rather than artificially its a long-term hold. But a much more reliable one than anything else.
7. Don't Buy Monero.

I dream of a girl that looks like Monero-chan in real life...

Press F to pay respects.

>>56652607
holy shit lel
what will we do now zcash sisters?

>>56648303
Nigger be real with these young chaps. Crypto was intended to stop banks from endlessly printing money. It’s the first thing inscribed into the blockchain and a declaration of war on banks. So they co-opted Bitcoin with their endless money pit called Fiat? They effectively failed to neutralize the virus. It’s a liquidity sink, a volatile one, but if you play your cards right you buy low and sell high. You gotta look at it from a year over year perspective. Or most recently, the 162 support level being tested. Let’s see that shit get tested again. Low volume crabbing means no one is selling. Monero’s growth as the only actual real crypto makes this all but inevitable

From the latest Bitcoin University video. My sides.

WE NEED MONERO HATS

THIS IS THE FUTURE

Unleash the power of privacy with Monero - Join the revolution and secure your financial freedom. Say no to surveillance and yes to #Monero. Because your money should be YOUR business. #PrivacyFirst #Cryptocurrency #MoneroCommunity

>>56653270

Cope harder, Zcash is set to break out now that Monero has now been proven traceable.

>>56653994
BTC maxis completely forgot what this is all about.
>muh line go up more than your line
>muh big investors
>muh trusted by banks
Jesus Christ just come forward and say that you never meant to defy the current system ffs.
Absolutely pathetic

>>56645404
based

>>56654315
Henlo qt314

>>56654468
beutiful image

>>56645516
Rude!

>>56653994
>Simply blinding sender, receiver and amounts does not solve the privacy problem
ah yes, the blockchain recording transaction time but not any other any other information readable by a non-participant doesn't do anything for privacy. I'd much rather use the coin where literally everything is public for everyone to see and it's all a giant dox because these morons use KYC exchanges

Fuck wrong one

>>56639795
>Unironically try shilling on reddit. You're more likely to run into someone in need of your service
Reddit likes me advertising there but no one has contacted me. I even lowered my price again to 2 xmr

>>56657542
Forgot my trip

>>56636720
Get a job hippie, no one wants some lame graphic logo designs. And the kind of people who might want that probably aren't interested in Monero.

>>56636720
Who on earth would think "yes, the drug money fans on a Mongolian basket weaving forum are the target market for a $800 - $6300 business logo design package"?

new scam token

>>56620001
Tradeogre has been fucking around with their kaspa trades so I'm reluctant to use them going forward for xmr trades. Mexc like TO doesn't have kyc so you can acquire xmr in same fashion as TO. Cexs suck but if you have to use them then it's probably the best of a bad bunch at this time.

>>56657542
>I even lowered my price again to 2 xmr
You literally offering a service for 300 fiat shekelz that can be gotten on Fiverr for about 20 bucks.
Then people take these graphics and get into a copyshop and let that stuff be printed out for another 10 bucks.
That's the problem.

How about you offering more useful things to the people?
Already activated and working SIM-cards, Buy stuff on Alibaba for cheap and sell it. There are really good things on Ali to import. Get creative.
Or depending on region, sell vegetables, eggs and milk to local people.
I talked restaurants and some nearby farmers into Monero and now, i can buy basic foods like honey, vegetables, potatos, cheese, milk, meat and sausages for XMR.
And our two restaurants here sell Gyros and Pizza for XMR.

Offer lawn mowing to people or pool cleaning and other services.

>>56659177
dubs epic checked

Hi XMRnons
I have all my money tied up on PayPal (cringe I know but it's the only payment processor that I can use for my lil online business rn)
What is the best way to buy some Monero with minimal headache with PayPal funds?

>>56655409
>Monero has now been proven traceable.
>Source: I made it the fuck up

>>56659698
>What is the best way to buy some Monero with minimal headache with PayPal funds?

1. Buy LTC: https://www.paypal.com/us/digital-wallet/manage-money/crypto
2. Convert to XMR: https://trocador.app/en/

>>56659776
>preload known customer public id to your wallet
>make the drop
>as soon as customer gets in range you make the transaction wirelessly with a signal that's hard to intercept
>walk past each other and exchange money, don't even have to look at one another.

would this work?

>>56653832
As expected we are entering slightly lower volume crabbing above the most recent support level.

>>56660071
https://voca.ro/17etxs7u6EMX

>>56661844
> come to where the flavor is
should be changed to
> come to where freedom is
no?

It's all so tiresome.

>>56664083
>16h
>>56661844
degeneracy
>>56659776
based fighter
>>56659177
whore
>>56650123
cute
>>56648629
slut
>>56621221
bitch

>>56663135

>>56637583
Definitely not, but Sztorc is gonna launch his shitcoin anyway

Drivechain kills Monero dead

>>56636720
I'll pay you 0.2 XMR for a logo

>>56664556
They should put drivechain on monero. As well as any other proposed bitcoin upgrades that are voted down by Core.

>>56663135
Smooth, full-bodied, Monerochan-cut tobacco already tastes like freedom anon.

>>56664348
incel/femcel

Based

>>56664518
based and tonks.

Just noticed my Monearocean miner is seeing near 4x returns mining randomX, only to see it grinding out ZEPH.

So, what's this ZEPH all about? 'Untraceable' Stable coin?
Speaking broadly, but would a privacy layered stablecoin afford any useful opportunities though? Ignoring for a moment algo coins seem like a catastrophe under a shell game, but seems like there could be some utility here, at least.

Anyway, I've been out of the loop, but the MO blip pinged this on my radar. Figured I'd ask here to see what, if anything, I missed.

Is Monero still good? I've been seeing a lot of FUD recently.

>>56670311
>Is Monero still good? I've been seeing a lot of FUD recently.

No.

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1700066596518913.webm

>>56670311
Monero is like a stablecoin that you are supposed to use transactionally. Every few years it has a short moon before return to stablecoinality

Hey gang, I'm just here to shill a cool anarchist/libertarian movie with you guys:

Jones Plantation

Putting aside that individual liberty and privacy is somewhat adjacent, you can watch the film with XMR on the website:
Jonesplantationmovie dot com

Just thought you'd get a kick out of a non pozzed movie and a chance to push XMR TX count.

:)

>>56659776
where can i buy this doll and the cigarette package?

>>56673614
>where can i buy this doll and the cigarette package?

Monero Market

>>56673255
what's the stablecoinality price?

>>56673255
When is next moon Sir?
I need money to feed my village

seems like everyone is dumping their XMR into ZEPH

monero just rugged

Monero's privacy has just been compromised
its over

Another rug. Are we witnessing the end of XMR right before the start of the golden bull run?

>>56674970
$150

>>56675401
>Are we witnessing the end of XMR right before the start of the golden bull run?

>>56675061
>>56675401

The fact Monero isnt pumping pretty much proves the existance of an inflation bug kek

>>56676398
>>56675412
>>56675401
>>56675028
>>56675025

>>56676419
>Monero holding monthly support level

>>56613128
The XMR miners that aren‘t dumb, dump XMR for BTC, lol

>>56676620
Yep
> unlimited supply
> unlimited block size
> inflation bug
> dev wallet “hacked”
> delisted by all exchanges
> didnt reach ATH in the last bullrun
Doesn’t look good holding monero

>>56676710
You sound retarded. It’s best to have any source so you sound less retarded. Fucking retarded nigger

>>56677186
anon is right about the first two points and the last one. there are still some exchanges that offer xmr trading pairs. plus, bitcoin‘s supply is easier to verify than monero‘s.

>>56675028
>>56675401
where tf did you read that

Should I buy more now or hope it goes back to $150?

>>56677924
Don’t buy now. The downward pressure is high. 432 new XMR minted every day. The coin slowly devalues until random spikes of bull market happen. Just wait a few weeks to buy, i guarantee it will be at sub-150 usd again

>>56676710

Don't Buy Monero, retard.

>>56677296
XMR needs more extensibility, like layer-2s or some kind of way to wrap other assets with XMR to get something like XBTC or XETH and a system to petty in-out of btc and eth blockchains

>>56678891
Why? It works perfectly without any of that stuff.
It's anonymous money, and it does its job just fine.

XMR anons I have a question.
For other private decentralized crypto are you also holding? If so what and why?

Or are you mostly XMR Maxxies?

>>56644579
monero_pancakes_cc.jpg is adorable thank you

>>56679034
None, why would I bother with anything but the best?
Now, it's not my only investment of course because Monero probably isn't a great investment, but it's my only investment into private decentralized crypto.

>>56677924
>hope it goes back to $150?
Monero's rebasing algorithm is designed so it does exactly that whenever it ever goes over $150

-20% on my buy...
Literally better off buying fucking doge or pepe, what a joke.

>>56680297
>Literally better off buying fucking doge or pepe, what a joke.

How many times do you retards need to be told to not buy Monero?

Always go for the totally-not-manipulated moon missions instead.

>>56679034
Money is a zero sum game, there can only be one winner and at this point network effect and first mover advantage is pretty much unbeatable.

>>56681383
Look, I love the tech of monero, but what I don't like is my money losing value faster than the fucking US Dollar

>>56682068
>Look, I love the tech of monero, but what I don't like is my money losing value faster than the fucking US Dollar

Invest in index funds then. Crypto "investing" = gambling in a crooked casino with the odds squarely against you. But hey, who knows, maybe you'll get lucky.

Monero may yet prove to be a winner in the long term provided real-world organic demand keeps growing. But *everything* else is artificially inflated junk, the price action may look very impressive at first glance but scratch the surface and you'll find there's nothing real backing any of it up.

>>56681496
if you believe this then unfortunately for you bitcoin's already won and any and all altcoins have no chance against it outside of competing purely on tech which is why the alt market is a never ending cycle of new coins.

>>56682169
>bitcoin's already won

lol won what exactly? NGU FOREVER?

>any and all altcoins have no chance against it

lol Bitcoin had already lost the darknet to Monero, is currently in the process of losing the ransomware and extremist funding sectors and is now well on its way to losing clearnet crypto commerce sector as well.

But do go on and enlighten us some more about how BTC has no competition.

>>56670199
Serious question

I don't care about mooning or parroted XMR fud
I just want the low down on whether or not this is a sound privacy network from the only anons that value such a thing

>>56682530
>from the only anons that value such a thing

>>56670199
it's backed up by air. Another luna rug pull coin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K9UJvxBwvI
it's so over for xmr

>>56670199
it's literally perfect, the black market loves usd and xmr, combining them is genius.
also their stablecoin protocol is djed, which doesn't require minting the base coin. no djed coin (sigmausd, djed on ada) has ever depegged. in case of a 'bank run' the reserves actually fill up again from how the protocol works. read about it on djed.one or zephyr's medium page

Listen Pajeets, shills, niggers, fuddies, we ain't selling. Volume remains elevated with BTC bull market conditions. We holding key support levels. We like the project. https://github.com/monero-project/monero

>>56629796
its a lower tier cex for shit coins. you can probably trust.

>>56682587
I see ur point and will regard it going forward.
thanks

>>56682616
Speaking broadly, no less backed than XMR, proof of work. At least compared to Luna, which was using POS.

but I'll grant you're talking about the peg, and speaking of zeph as ephemeral, minting and burning in a shell game does inherently make it less durable.

otherwise I agree. Just not seeing this as "luna". Thanks

>>56682734
I agree to the extent something that could solve flow from anonymous money to dollars and back again would become king
but I'm not sure zeph is it.

From what I understand the underlying asset is ADA? AgeUSD? I'm honestly not very clear.
But whatever the case, it enters contract, on a transparent chain. I can see a situation where exchanges (governments) regard that contract as functionally equivalent to a mixer, and the end result is rather a USD>Anon>USD mechanism, and instead the contract ADA goes to die.

You're not fundamentally wrong, I'm just uncertain that is Zeph. Doesn't mean it can't serve a utility tho.
Thanks

What I don't get about XMR is why you can't actually use it to buy anything. No respectable gift card places take it, in fact not a single vendor that accept ETH/BTC/LTC also accept XMR. What's the fucking point beyond swapping to XMR and then back to a usable cryptocurrency as a kind of pseudo-mixer?

>>56683159
Either lying or stupid, please reconsider before such low-effort posting again.

>>56683249
Try buying something that isn't drugs on the darknet with your XMR, get back to me.

For the record I love the idea of it, but it just doesn't seem to have a lot of utility seeing as you cannot use it as currency, and as a long-term store of value you may as well stick to BTC or ETH.

>>56683150
there's no transparent chain involved, Zephyr is its own blockchain, forked from Monero, which implements Djed (the stablecoin protocol) on its base layer with $ZEPH backing the stablecoin, called ZSD (ZephyrUSD). The only thing transparent would be the amounts for minting and burning/locking, because that obviously needs amounts. Coinbase outputs are transparent on XMR too.
I just mentioned SigmaUSD and "Djed" on ADA (it just shares the name with the protocol) as two working implementations/deployments to show that the protocol actually works and survives bear markets withouth depegging like LUNA.
Zephyr is also very bullish because it allows Pseudo-Staking ie. compensating the people backing ZSD with more ZEPH but the consensus itself stays 100% Proof-of-Work.
You should check out their blog:
https://scribe.citizen4.eu/@zephyrcurrencyprotocol/zephyr-protocol-v1-0-0-unlocking-the-private-stablecoin-de2c30ada092

>>56683364
there's a lot of places where you can spend xmr directly https://monerica.com/

>>56683388
So what is being bought for reserves? It is legit just numbers on the ledger to maintain peg of the zephUSD? I thought they were buying ADA. It's zeph all the way down?

>>56683159
>What I don't get about XMR is why you can't actually use it to buy anything.

Retard.

>No respectable gift card places take it, in fact not a single vendor that accept ETH/BTC/LTC also accept XMR.

CoinCards takes XMR, retard, and it has nearly 70% dominance of the US market.

>What's the fucking point beyond swapping to XMR and then back to a usable cryptocurrency as a kind of pseudo-mixer?

What other "usable cryptocurrency", retard? Monero is the only one that's actually used.

>>56683447
the reserves are Zeph. it's a decentralized crypto-backed algorithmic stablecoin protocol. the protocol maintains the peg. ZSD can be minted if there's enough Zeph locked up to back it, which is at least 400%, so even an instantaneous 75% drop of the base asset wouldn't depeg. in reality it can survive even larger drops, Ergo dropped from $20 to less than $1 and SigmaUSD hasn't depegged once.

>>56683375
>For the record I love the idea of it, but it just doesn't seem to have a lot of utility seeing as you cannot use it as currency

Is this what passes for FUD these days? lol

>and as a long-term store of value you may as well stick to BTC or ETH

BTC as a store of value? Why the fuck do you think stablecoins are such a necessity, you UNMITIGATED retard!

>>56683532
>it has nearly 70% dominance of the US market
I'm in the EU, and I can tell you I haven't seen a single vendor (euro or international) that accepted XMR. Everything from electronics chains, gift card and cd key vendors, none accepted it.
>Is this what passes for FUD these days? lol
>everything posted is either fud or shill
No wonder this entire board is dead. You're either a bot or you're completely braindead. I will now leave your thread, enjoy jerking each other off.

>>56683679
>I'm in the EU, and I can tell you I haven't seen a single vendor (euro or international) that accepted XMR. Everything from electronics chains, gift card and cd key vendors, none accepted it.

*yawn*

>No wonder this entire board is dead. You're either a bot or you're completely braindead. I will now leave your thread, enjoy jerking each other off.

Tapping out so soon? We were having such fun!

>>56683679
>t. living in hyperinflation
xmr is sound money safe mode and what people think bitcoin stands for
it makes (((keynesians))) seethe, and can be used for bartering as we do, and to avoid (((sanctions)))
death to fiat

>>56683567
so it's backed up by air. It will rug after its first dump

>>56683567
So zeph all the way down - and I only repeat that for clarity I understand.

So zsd and zrs are somewhat more like ancillary instruments.

I guess that in mind back to my original question. What sort of utilities can this have? Zeph alone is "monero", so utility in that sense is obvious. The other instruments though. What sort of practical utility do you see it affording beyond the microcosm, and what sort of utility do you think this might afford zeph over (or along side) xmr, that xmr couldn't really do? By that, I'm wondering whether this really does anything to address on/off ramp. Seems exchanges won't want to touch any of it any more than XMR. But that's not to say I don't see value in a private 'stablecoin' alongside other privacy coins.

>>56683992
maybe, but the protocol is solid, as proven by sigmausd. zeph just went up from $4 to $25 so lets see what happens at the pullback, if there is one.
>>56684070
it's whole value proposition is the private/untraceable stablecoin.
in theory, while xmr can dump from $500 to $120, zsd won't do that. maybe some vendors or even buyers are more comfortable with that. however their stated main goal is zsd becoming a quote pair like usdt and usdc, but verifiable and untraceable (when we get atomic swaps usable).

>>56683992
maybe, but the protocol is solid, as proven by sigmausd. zeph just went up from $4 to $25 so lets see what happens at the pullback, if there is one.
>>56684070
its whole value proposition is the private/untraceable stablecoin.
in theory, while xmr can dump from $500 to $120, zsd won't do that. maybe some vendors or buyers are more comfortable with that. however their stated main goal is zsd becoming a quote pair like usdt and usdc, but verifiable and untraceable (when we get atomic swaps usable).

>>56684389
>in theory, while xmr can dump from $500 to $120, zsd won't do that. maybe some vendors or buyers are more comfortable with that.
Good observation. I could see that. Not sure we've seen that be the case with other stables, but if there's zero friction zsd > zeph > zsd it might be OK. Even if only for blackmarkets.

I remember back when I got into crypto how people were reidiculing bitcoin forks, and especially those who were using the same mining algorithm. Argument was that even if you created a successful fork, a fraction of BTCs hashrate would be enough to loot your network.

But it was never about the algorithm, only about how much compatible mining hardware exists that can be lent & rented. You might be able to fork monero and improve the privacy, speed or whatever, but you simply can't build another chain on randomX or any other CPU mining algorithm. You can try, but security will never be good enough for usage as money.

>>56613432
i dont think thats true at all. i think you can re-roll the seed a lot of times to get some of the words that you like but they wont be in any readable order.

>>56683159
>>56683364
For the record, it is widely known that because of how hard it is to launder crypto, plenty of people with dirty crypto or that don't want to pay taxes on it will spend Monero on websites like Coincards to buy gift cards for Walmart or Amazon to then do their groceries and buy their daily stuff.

>>56685992
best korea

>>56687824

Based Korea.

So why exactly did zeph pump so hard? Did all the xmr miners suddenly realize mining zeph gives 4x more returns? I dislike speculating but zeph price chart looks similar to xmr 2016 prices.

>>56688499
>>56684389
Is zeph a hard fork of Monero?

>>56689284
To answer my own question, yes Zephyr is a hard fork of monero. I guess I could claim my tokens with my monero seed phrase but fuck that

>>56689341
It is a code fork, not a hard fork. Their chain is on block 122000.
Now stop giving these retards attention. Pretty please.

Sorry for bringing up a pseudoprivate shitcoin but what happened here?

>>56635089
>

>>56688499
>So why exactly did zeph pump so hard?

Its not real, numbnuts, none of these pumps are.

>>56643059
Only if you have the (small in your case) electricity cost to spare. Can be further justified as heating in winter. I already run a home server so I also mine on P2Pool. It gets a couple cents per day profit after the electricity costs.

>>56645959
>The worst thing about it though is the waste of your mental capacity. The time it takes to set up, the part of your brain that remembers it's there, the time spent checking up on it, fixing it when it breaks, updating it. All a terrible waste of mental reserves.
That's a skill issue. Once you establish it's almost no maintenance and the experience gained is great.

>>56664083
Why? Are you just sitting, impatiently waiting for a block reward? Set it up and forget it. Produce stuff to sell for monero.

>>56686741
Merge mining is a thing.

>>56670199
But Monero is already a stable coin!

>>56673255
Yeah. The pattern I notice is that of flat floors rising like a ladder after each crypto bull run. After a very casual look at other coins, Monero seems to have this most pronounced of of any coin, correct me if I'm wrong. I focus on selling stuff for monero and establishing an economy so I'm happy with this pattern I guess. It's kinda like a more filtered signal of the crypto market. Bitcoin is so jumpy, it feels like bunch of whales pumping and popping the market full of air and nothing else.

As the bull run approaches, I recommend anons to not get too much in the weeds with the moment to moment price. Zoom out. Know that if things go well, come next bear we'll be sitting on a much higher floor. You don't want to be the sucker who lost all his money on shitcoins and is left with nothing for the next bear. Keep doing your part expanding the economy. Keep Monero straight to others as private no-bullshit money. Keep the progress on full chain membership proofs and Seraphis.

Also this reminds me of pic related.

>>56683679
Sell products yourself then. Take a cut for profit. Stop expecting everything from the government. Economy isn't going to make itself you lazy fuck.
moneromarket.io

>>56682231
>data from almost a year ago
so it got way worse?

>>56692257
>so it got way worse?

lol nope, they've since stopped posting data for individual countries. But the CoinCards CEO was on MoneroTalk a few months ago and mentioned that Monero was now at nearly 70% dominance in the US market.

>>56613128
Fuddies in shambles

>>56692274
>nearly 70% dominance in the US market
surprisingly based ngl

>>56613195
>moneromarket dot io

This should be in the OP post. Not way down the list of pastas.

Also the OP pasta is too technical imo. Monero is very different from other crypto. We know that obviously but people interested in xmr should be told straight up that xmr is what bitcoin claims to be and such.

>the world's leading decentralized P2P privacy cryptocurrency!
This reads like a sales pitch too. We should just say "look, we think this crypto is the tits. You can transfer money anonymously and no one can see your wallet. Other cryptos claim to have this functionality but dont. Once wealth is transferred to monero it is hidden truly and completely."

Idk, i just think being more plain about monero would really help adoption.

>>56691053
Please respond

>>56696114

Seriously? How many fucking times do you have to be told? Wash trading, genius. None of the spectacular price action in this clown market is organic, its pretty much all whales, grifters and exchanges colluding to pump & dump on you dipshits.

>>56696114
im just gonna go out on a limb and assume Zcash did not magically come up with $150MM+ in funding literally overnight. This seems fishy as hell.

>>56696262
>52 pbtid
Cool your jets there slick

>>56691053
coingecko had the circulating supply at 8MM, they corrected it to 14MM which caused that spike.

>>56697034
>>56696114
pic related

remember what this is all about

>>56697808
Making money so I can buy land and permanently fuck off of this board.

>>56679034
The only other privacy coin worth mentioning is Firo. I don't have a sui stack out of laziness.

CoinJoin + Lightning Network is all you need.

Have fun sliding into irrelevance.

>>56698110
Agree, it's basically been the only other thing worth considering - despite its wealth of blemishes

I'd be more emphatic about recommending even a modest stack, given the constrained supply dynamics of the coin, but now that Zeph exists... well, a couple dozen FIRO might still not be bad, but each privacy coin functionally dilutes supply broadly. I do still like FIRO's privacy features, and with ZEPH just being 'XMR' with an aglo stable, I still think FIRO has some utility as a redundant fallback asset, in the event XMR security is compromised, snice such a thing couple be applies to zeph.

>>56698989
There is a reason all criminals switched to Monero, Anon.

>>56676620
How do you mine monero?

>OMG look at this coin
Do you know how many times I've seen someone tack some bullshit on to Monero and shill their 'Monero with lime?'
It gets old.

>>56701177

Checked and truthpilled.

So with fluffypony exiting the core team, what's the future of Tari? Doesn't the merge-mining need to have the consensus of the monero dev team to implement it?

>>56701988

Its not like he's leaving Monero altogether, relax.

I guess mining Monero with CPU is useless, right? I just wanted to try it out. I have mid gaming PC.

>>56703010
You'll probably get 0.019 XMR or $3.21 after mining for several months, it's not worth it.

>>56703030
Oh damn, alright, thanks. I was getting about 100$/month from GPU mining on eth few years ago. Was hoping for at least 10$/month, lol.

>>56703010
>I guess mining Monero with CPU is useless, right?

If you're looking to make a profit, pretty much. Unless you have essentially free electricity.

Most people these days aren't mining XMR for profit anyway, its about being based and sending a message.

>>56703010
But you should know that Monero is only mined in CPUs, so its not like there is special hardware that hugely outperforms your PC. Afaik 5950X + dual channel ddrr bdie is the best bang per buck. bdie is required to tune ram timings for up to 50% better hash rate and efficiency compared to stock

>>56703010
maybe mine with moneroocean, they do profit switching with altcoins but pay in xmr.

>>56703464
No, not for profit, just need few bucks on few wallets.
>>56703684
Yeah, my CPU is not the best
>>56703718
Thanks, just tried that, seems to work alright, i'll leave it overnight.

>>56704655
What did you make that Monerochan with? It looks good.

>>56704711
Stable Diffusion, anon shared LORA few months ago, it's on civitai, model is z-mix.

xmr is the only coin that can trusted to give a dnm legitimacy

zcash backdoored by israel

btc glows can track and trace

>What did you make that Monerochan with? It looks good.
they are being SHAT OUT with any random fucking AI image generator obviously, dumb fuck retard

>>56705819
real black markets thrive on bitcoin ethereum and even tron. monero trades privacy and security for convenience, it is only for those who can't be trusted to secure themselves.

>>56706799
>real black markets thrive on bitcoin ethereum and even tron

Do go on....

>>56613128
Any good websites, or even onion sites where I can buy banned books for XMR or other crypto? I'm looking for gems like Protocols of the elders of zion

>>56703010
I mine when I need heat, which is like 4 months per year.
A computer turns almost 100% of the watts into heat, so it's basically an electric heater that gives you Monero.

>>56706799
Lmao you don't know much about the DNM world, do you.

>>56706924
all you have to do is look at the entirety of monero's volume and compare it to just the known black market activity on bitcoin or ethereum.

monero is barely a speck of dust, an irrelevant part of all but the retail to retail markets. when the big boys arrived they didn't even take a second look.

>>56706799
sure fed glow op ones sure do

>>56707097
which is why any dnm that uses btc/eth should be viewed as a honeypot for feds/banks/glowies

>>56707097
big boya being what? Vanguard? Blackrock? SS?

good dont let them in on this

>>56707077
the point is the areas of the darknet where monero is used combine to a minuscule percentage of all crypto based black and grey markets.
monero can dominate the darknet all it likes but it hasn't moved the needle.

>>56707098
retail isn't invited to the big boy's underground markets. you're thinking about retail drug markets which have barely grown over the last few years.
how else are you going to explain away monero's insignificant growth in real terms? the market that props it up has been tapped out.

>>56707145
you have it mixed up

the big boys aren't invited to the dnm's or monero for that matter

here's how we explain monero. Bitcoin backdoored eth infinite supply zcash backdoored. Criminals keep using "big boys" stolen fiat to buy more and more xmr

>>56707134
>real black markets thrive on bitcoin ethereum and even tron
the actual black money doesn't want to paint a target on its back from entrance to exit, it's going to want to blend in with real money flows.

for these guys using monero is like walking around downtown with a ski mask on. you might hide your face but when there's only a few of you dressing up like this in a given area you're only making it easier to track you.

>>56707175
you have that wrong shill
very odd how you pop up in a monero thread to defend the lie that monero is a bad buy and also that dnm's should not use monero at all
why dont you want dnm's to use monero?
why dont you want money to flow into monero?
big money will keep flowing into monero via fomo as it rises slow and steadily

>>56707145
>hasn't moved the needle
you seem scared that monero might be established as an invulnerable dnm currency
by a dnm in the future that only uses monero why is that?

>>56635089
it was admittedly developed by darpa and mossad

>>56707175
I'm so happy that your retarded ass is literally the best jewish think tanks can come up with in terms of fud against the best coin. The downfall to every jewish system is the very credentialism it seeks to impose. Keep up the good work! I really with I had a copy of what the stupid europoor jewish sycophant warned us about in regards to the kvetching over "anonymity enhancing cryptocurrencies" or whatever buzzword they are giving xmr. What a riot.

>>56695094
gonna get my alt girl goth gf to cosplay like this while we fuck

>>56707358
>mo0t
kek based post too

>>56707239
>shill
pointing out why monero as a concept is fundamentally flawed isn't shilling, it's just breaking your little bagholder dreams.

the only way monero can thrive is with exceptionally high volume and that precludes an exceptionally high price.
understand the difference, or continue larping as someone pretending to understand the market monero is catrgorically not being used for.

>>56707358
>fud against the best coin
kek, you're the equivalent of those people who rushed to take the vaccine because the republicans didn't want it, you realize that?
sheep to be herded.

>>56707456
>the concept is flawed goyim
keep saying that retarded boomer
>vaccines
so youre against vaccines and for banks got it juden

>>56707456
I'm happy that's the best you've got, keep up the good work, you fucking chatgpt-tier 80 iq retard. I hope the shekels are worth it.

>>56706799
>real black markets thrive on bitcoin ethereum and even tron
It's true a lot of black market and grey market activity happens with bitcoin and ethereum/tether because of the ease of onboarding/offboarding USD compared to monero

>>56708012
One of Monero's big problems is low liquidity, due to low market cap and few exchanges. I can buy $1000 with of drugs easy enough, but anyone looking to launder millions of dollars through Monero is going to have a hard time.

The block reward should be reduced from 0.6 XMR to 0.1 XMR. It's too inflationary as it is.

>>56708026
I agree. Although I was wondering, have any cryptos mooned without being on major exchanges before? Like shiba or something

>>56708041
Or hex, or all sorts of shitcoins, it's easy for low liquidity coins to moon since you don't have to move as much cash to push the price, but selling will crash things just as hard.

MoneroGUI disconnects when I try to mine, whether solo or p2pool. Is this a common issue?

Lowered the number of threads from 7 to 4, now it works.

>>56708487
>>56708487
New thread