/biz/ - Business & Finance

Where are we?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-OfB1to0sw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-OfB1to0sw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-OfB1to0sw

I sold KO to buy AAPL

https://twitter.com/ForexLive/status/1720429324824662071

HESBOLLAH STREAM

Reminder that inflation will ultimately bring the market to 2x all time highs as just a baseline. If you own 1/1000th of a company producing one billion apples, after massive 1000% inflation you'll still roughly own the economic value of the profit of producing 1 million apples, even if the apple is now 10x more expensive. Expressed in the new, devalued, currency, that economic value will simply represent a lot more currency.

>>56547648
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>He's looking at blatantly manipulated jobs data and ignoring the hezbollah livestream

>>56547674
You will own nothing and you will be happy

>Yields
Holy FUCK today's gonna be green

>>56547674

>>56547652
>TFW $0.90 per kg.

>>56547686
Ahem sir your meds are here.

114 on bonds. Lol. 4450 here we come

>>56547652
No tomatoes will ever match the tomatoes by my grandpa in greece. They were the best. All this trash from the netherlands flooding germany is worthless.

>Anons know that markets bottom during recessions
>only 1 time after the recession
>average = 4 months before recession ends = bottom
>Yields move from 5% to 4.5% in a week due to weakening economic data
>Bond managers FOMO into higher yields knowing they will fall in weaker economy
>/smg/ sees yields fall from 5% to 4.5% in just one week
>/smg/ sees jobs fall from 300K to 150K
SEE, THIS IS BULLISH!!! THE ECONOMY IS NOT GOING INTO A RECESSION!!!
You're fucking retarded. Literally all of you. You are so fucking dumb, it is unreal. Part of me thinks you have to be paid shills, as nobody is actually this fucking dumb.
If you see the 10yr yield fall from 5% to 4.5% in a week, that is RECESSION IS HERE indication
How do you not understand??
Genuinely - I feel like I'm talking to preschoolers here
How do you not understand that the 10yr yield falling from 5% to 4.5% in a week is the bond market SCREAMING
>The recession is here
don't take just my word for it - all the big bond managers are saying the same exact fucking thing, you're just retarded and not listening
>OMG,, MAIN STREAM MEDIA??? WAOWWW!!!
kill yourself you fucking retards
https://www.forexlive.com/news/gundlach-i-believe-weve-started-a-bond-rally-here-20231101/
>Regarding price action in bonds he said "this is the classic price action before a recession".

>>56547717
Tdlr seeth and cope nigger.

>>56547714
if you believed the bond rally why aren't you buying bonds?

>>56547716
>TFW grandma gave me some home grown tomatoes.

WELL THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION

>>56547723
when the market falls sharply, the recession hits hard, anons in /smg/ are getting hit by mass layoffs, it is 100% guaranteed that all of these same retards who are here spouting
>No recession!!!
are going to be crying in /smg/
>omg!! you guys said there would be no recession!!
>omg I got laid off from my job!!!
>omg I'm ruined!!
I will refer all of you back to this moment.

TLT should be at least $100 right now

>>56547717
I'm not disagreeing with you but bond managers proved they were just as dumb as equity managers this year

>>56547717
Cool

Man I predicted the bear seethe with 110% accuracy. What absolute fucking imbeciles lmfao

HEZBOLLAH SUPREME COMMANDER NASRALLAH HAS JUST DECLARED WAR LIVE, IRAN AND LEBANON VS USA AND ISRAEL

>>56547651
>Blah blah blah we'll fire rockets at the Zionists, this genocide will not be tolerated blah blah blah

Wake me up when there's gunfire in Tel Aviv, or at least a tanker embargo.

Purchase NatGas

>>56547742
no he didn't

>>56547745
dare I open /pol/ right now? imagine

BANG BANG BANG

CAM ON 'EZBOLLA

START SOM FOKKIN WORLD WORS

Seriously though, what did they do this time to cause such a massive DXY dump?

>>56547745
How can we get the sand niggers to block the Strait of Hormuz like the last time this happened?

speech is nothing burger. Just platitudes, thoughts and prayers.

>>56547717
Not yet.
Not until it uninverts.

>>56547757
"this war is a Palestinian war! It's by Palestinians and for Palestinians and they make their own decisions!! This isn't a regional war"

Total and complete cuck out

>>56547736
It gets a bit of a rally here, but recession means both stimulus (issuance up) and money printing (inflation expectations up). We may never see $100 TLT ever again.

I think I'm going to short FTSE heavier and less DAX. The english sem at least have some power and control over their own stocks.

>>56547736
correct, if you truly believe yields are going to keep tanking you should not be buying stocks. you should be buying bonds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-QD_HIfjA
green day ahead?

>>56547753
buddy, are you not paying attention?
yields have gotten absolutely crushed from 5% to 4.5%
currencies move based upon interest rate differentials (if US offers a higher yield relative to EU bonds, money will flow into buying dollars so that they can use the dollars to buy bonds)
in addition, currencies move based upon economic activity - when economic activity increases, demand for dollars increases (think about it on most basic level, if economic activity is up = payroll managers have more staff working more hours that they need to pay that they need dollars to pay them)
Both, yields, as well as economic activity have gotten completely crushed, where market is now pricing in imminent recession = dollar crushed

>>56547747
I just sold *some* and have plenty more and will buy more lower than this.

>>56547752
Imagine if they time the first border crossings with market open and *BANG* *BANG* *BANG* anon.

10 year bond yields still dropping like a rock. Get ready for another moon shot today.

unemployment rate is a rounding bottom. I'm sure it's nothing.

>>56547753
The treasury shifted bond sales away from long term treasuries to release more short term ones

How's the cope today, boys?

>>56547717
what stagflation does to a nigga

>>56547782
I had to buy a CD instead of a treasury.

>>56547775
Yeah but what specifically happened at 8:30?
No, I wasn't paying attention. I wasn't even awake yet.

>>56547717
Is the recession in the room with you rn?

*BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG

> MORE U.S. OCT JOBS: LEISURE & HOSPITALITY +19K, GOVERNMENT +51K

Govt jobs, Govt spending…. Its all a fraud

As a TMV holder, I should just cut my losses here, right?

>>56547783
>>56547797
Early=Wrong

>>56547651
>This obligation to self defense belongs to every nation.
Oh? So we can bomb Mexico?

>>56547648
I have a lot of trouble getting out of the "it is what it is" zone regardless of how my day is going

>>56547797
>29:59

>>56547797
Oh fuck it's already 9:30

>>56547793
jobs!
duh!
it's the first friday of the month 8:30am - the fact you don't know this is disturbing - same thing, every first Friday of the month
https://www.forexlive.com/news/us-dollar-falls-on-signs-of-slack-building-in-the-jobs-market-20231103/
>US dollar falls on signs of slack building in the jobs market
https://www.forexlive.com/news/us-october-non-farm-payrolls-150k-vs-180k-expected-20231103/
>US October non-farm payrolls +150K vs +180K expected
>Prior +336K
went from 336K to 150K (lol)

New ATH, I just 6x'd my $1,800 deposit in less than a year

Mærsk buy time?

>>56547813
Thanks. I always forget this shit. Recession finally confirmed I guess. (bullish)

Reminder that AAPL is plunging because it's diverse.

>>56547813
Was revised to 297

I need some updates boys, preferably in the form of pictures and short videos

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

>>56547629
>Stock Market
are you guys leaning heavier on energy and military-defense these days?

>>56547823

>>56547813
>went from 336K to 150K
doesn't that just indicate that everybody already got a job in the prior month and labor doesn't need as much for october? it's just a big gain followed by a smaller gain.
did you whip yourself up into a frenzied hallucination about how jobs grow on trees and need to compound over time even when everyone's already employed?

Slurp it.

nice volume

Indians are eating so much poo they get fat like the mutts

this is bullish for Novo Nordisk

AAPL computer bros?

Sell 410p guy from monday was right, i never listen.

>>56547823
got u senpai

Check the IWM, boboid. Check the 10y yield. Oh no boboid, it seems this rally is real.

>>56547830
Defense is a meme.
I do have energy and some underweight semiconductors though.

>>56547833
buddy. the unemployment rate went up.
>everyone has a job!!
Lol. Everyone literally has TWO jobs right now, in order to make ends meet. They are that fucking broke, that they are picking up multiple part time jobs. Double, triple counting.
If you think people being forced to pick up second and third jobs in order to survive is bullish, I really don't know what to tell you anon.
furthermore, the fact that you don't understand that in a debt based economy, a stock market with high multiples, GROWTH is everything - more debt must be added, more growth must. come, or else the whole thing collapses
if the market is pricing in growth, and that growth doesn't occur, guess what happens to stock prices??

JINGDONG brothers they laughed at us...

>>56547864
>if the market is pricing in growth,
It's pricing in rate cuts.

Shorting the entire market here. Burry was right.

This isnt gonna be one of those dreaded “everything happens in after hours” days where we crab all day after an exciting early morning, is it?

>>56547717
This is fuckin nothing, m8. The job market continues to be at historically strong levels (wow missed expectations by 0.1 percentage units). Wage growth is also bretty strong (less than company profits of course) and price gouging has been subdued (still strong of course but nothing the consumer can't handle as evident by the GDP figures and Amazon/Apple/Starbucks/others earnings).

This was just one small blip on the radar. Go outside and tell me if there is a recession going on. The data does not support this nor does my anecdotal evidence.
And we are close to a Santa rally, which means banks have to be artificially dovish.

5% in 5 days lol

>>56547875
Burry closed his short positions last month.

>>56547864
Stop linking the stock market so deeply to the real economy. A recession confirmed is bullish because it is very very likely to result in rate cuts sooner rather than later like with a long-strung out painful stagnant/very low growth period.

What happens to poor fags/normies working two/three jobs is not really important to the price of the markets.

>>56547849
Super power

>>56547855
You bought calls right anon?

>>56547877
Yes it will be. nothing will happen

>>56547885
Most stocks gain most of their price appreciation in just a few days a year. That's how it's been for decades and it's why timing the market is so hard vs. buy and hold.

give me some military stocks to profit on
hard mode no lockheed

>>56547862
im at a point in my life where i would settle for a poojeet girl....

OJ bros it's not looking so good out there...

>>56547851
It isn't close yet ;)
Not that it would make a difference - not like we'd dump from $430 to $410 today by close lol.
but yes, you all should have listened to me then, it was literally free money - the most free money trade of the year
>>56509851
>>56509851
>>56509851
if you had made it spreads, could have 100%'d your portfolio in one week, with 100% guarantee
You should have listened to me then, and sold $410 SPY puts. Instead, you argued with me:
>>56509873
>>56509882
>>56509927
It was literally the most free money trade of this year.
You didn't listen to me then, recognize that you should have, and yet, you STILL won't listen to me now here
>>56547717

>>56547913
NOC or GD

RTX if you like to gamble, BA if you also want exposure to regular airplanes

>UVXY

>>56547870
buddy, look at earnings estimates. these are going up, not down. that is *literally* pricing in growth.
Yes, it is also pricing in rate cuts. The rate cuts pricing in is trumping the recession - FOR NOW.

>>56547917

>Something something "cashgang"
KEK.

Kek calling Israelis out on beheaded babies claim (obviously a lie)

>>56547717
It shows that people think there's going to be a rate cut, mainly. Weakening economic data is building the case for them so they are reinverting the long end of the yield curve to position themselves for an emergency rate cut.

>>56547926
>these are going up, not down. that is *literally* pricing in growth.
It's pricing in the prices getting jacked and consumers paying more for less.

Stagflationary death spiral =/= Growth

Is it too late to buy an sp500 etf? I missed the dip

>>56547917
>if you had made it spreads, could have 100%'d your portfolio in one week, with 100% guarantee
Post gains. This sounds beautiful.

>>56547957
It's still early if you consider SPY 480 EOY plausible

>>56547941
Yes.. exactly.. weakening economic data..
this is not bullish lmao. A recession is not bullish. Stocks bottom during recessions NOT before.
>>56547946
Buddy, recession = EPS goes down
market is pricing in EPS going up, while simultaneously bond market is pricing in recession
Guess which one is correct?
>protip: it's the bond market

>>56547957
You can always buy an S&P index my man.

I missed my stated entry point. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

t. Cashgang

>>56547957
We should rally another 5% so it’s a good time to buy, we havent even start short squeezing the hedge funds yet

NEW ATH IN 2 WEEKS

What the fuck is oil doing?

god im so glad i didn't sell the october bottom and held through it. i made the mistake of selling the lows in september and instantly regretted it then felt better

>>56547969
>Cashgang

Holy fuck APPL.

>>56547917
You seem to at least understand how the economy is manipulated at the powers that be. I'm curious what are your thoughts on the market moving forward as a whole?

What a week. I'm kind of fucked, but only a little bit.

>>56547978
Shaking of weak fags before Bibi starts the Second Arab-Israeli war. Your downside is ~1$ btw 79$ Biden put.

>>56547978
Oil is dumping because the usa is a net exporter now, the Biden administration has taken offical policy to crash it before the election and most western nations are requiring all cars in their cities to be electric by 2025-2030

>>56547998
PUMP MY BAGS YOU FUCKING DEMON

>>56547917
This man is cynical but correct.

>>56547988
I am bearish. I have never been more bearish in my entire career.
We are going to see hundreds of bank failures within 6 months.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/10/27/rising-wave-property-defaults-threatens-us-banks/
https://archive.is/GEZSA
>Office blocks purchased with debt remain half empty, 18 months after the end of the pandemic. Thousands of buildings will have to be torn down. Hundreds of regional banks are sitting on crippling losses that they yet to acknowledge.
>occupancy levels are still just 49pc of where they used to be
>America’s office stock has lost 40pc to 45pc of its pre-Covid value, or will have once market discovery exposes the damage already in the pipeline from two parallel shocks: shrinking rents and the most aggressive monetary tightening of modern times
>“We are starting to see distressed sales every day. Offices are selling for 50pc, 60pc or 70pc discounts. At these values the equity holders are wiped out, and lenders take a 30pc loss,”
>two-thirds of the leases have not yet come up for renegotiation. The full exodus has yet to happen.
>“We’re in the early innings. That’s the reality"
>$1 trillion of commercial property debt is coming due over the next year and a bit. The average fixed loan is 10 years so the debt maturing today was taken out in 2013 at around 3.5pc. It has to be refinanced at over 7.5pc
>The Fed has staunched the liquidity crisis since March with emergency lending but that buys only time. It does not tackle the deeper solvency crisis.
>“There are a lot of skeletons in the closet and I wouldn’t be surprised if another 200 small banks topple over. In fact, I fully expect another bank to fail at any time,” said Prof Van Nieuwerburgh.
>“If a couple of hundred banks get into trouble at the same time and there is another run on deposits, this could turn into a systemic crisis. There are some parallels with 2008"
they are throwing everything they have at stopping this - but it is inevitable

>>56547629
i used to think market was gonna continue to go down but idk anymore shits strange af

>>56548007
We'll see a huge rally this year. Just made nearly 400% on ARE calls.

>>56547985
Yeah, you really have to wonder how it got back up over 170.

>>56548001
>Biden administration has taken offical policy to crash it before the election
Kek, they literally put a floor on oil by setting a price target of 79$ to fill up the SPR.

>>56547786
have a (you) and some schadenfreude, I don't understand why bonds are moving this way at all and was expecting long term yields to keep rising to be at least flat with fed funds rate. so maybe I missed the bottom or will fomo and get fucked, who knows

>>56548007
Oh jesus christ you ruined it. The SPY play was a good call but you had to go and be a fucking bear lmao.

>>56548007
Glad to see i'm not the only person bearish on 2024. My expectation is we'll probably see a headfake rally into year end before it all blows up next year. Thanks for the input anon.

>my small caps are all pumping but i know it is all but an ephemeral fever dream

>mass bull euphoria

Puts. Now.

>>56548015
Spr is almost full slugger

>>56548019
You can be bearish but still make short-term bull plays, you know?
You don't have to only play it one way.
You can be bearish, take profits on your short positions when market overextends to downside, play the rally up, and then use those rally profits to fund even more shorts when the rally exhausts
We are there. I started scaling into shorts yesterday, doing the remainder today and Monday

>>56548019
you never listen no matter how many times we tell you and warn you

>>56548026
We are still in fear in the fear greed gauge, it wont drop until we reach extreme greed

>>56548026
This is the reversal of 90 days of some of the most retarded bear doomer fud in the last three years. Most of the "selling" was SHORT selling which you faggots seem to completely misunderstand.

>>56547916
should have invested in pork bellies

>>56548007
What's stopping the treasury from printing more like in March though

>>56548007
I'm bearish as well, but I did go long for fomc. Jpow is dovish 95% of the time, and 75% of the time the market believes him completely (they shouldn't, but what can you do?)

>>56548028
He literally cut the SPR in half so idk what you're talking about...

>>56548035
Dude shut the fuck up I'm up 80% over the last year. Ignore bears and acquire currency.

>>56547985
Well no shit. They beat their estimated earnings but retards still saw problems with discontinued apple music. Trim the fat as far as I'm concerned.

>>56547717
Shut up, nigger

>>56548055
because they literally can't. why do you think they decreased the bond auction sizes, which prompted this whole bond rally?
because they were told
>GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER
>YOU ARE CRASHING THE BOND MARKET
>WE ARE GOING TO BLOW UP IF YOU DON'T STOP
so of course, bitch Yellen toed the line and decreased issuance - this doesn't solve the problem (lol) just makes the deficit worse

>>56548058
>get instantly proven right on one post and listens
>decide ton develop selective hearing and completely ignores his warnings even though he has always been right and made the exact right plays before it happens

you can lead a retard to water but you cant make them drink

>>56548063
I'm waiting to see a company that didn't beat earnings, that's very hard to do nowadays with roaring inflation.

So we buying puts over the weekend anons?

BUY BUY BUY
Unemployment and recession is bullish

>>56548063
I've got puts, I just didn't expect it to be *this* badn.

>>56548026
>just short the beginning of a bullrun bro
yeah great idea dumbass

>>56548017
I've lost too many times to gamble on shit like that. I basically just watch for giganigga companies that don't deal in bullshit (looking at you n-flix) and buy when they're down simple as.

It’ll be interesting to see when people finally realize that this news is actually not good for the stock market. Wait until they figure out that inflation isn’t actually going away too.

I should have just went all in on TLT, TLTW got screwed this month with the cap at $86

>>56548017
They're dumping because Yellen finally got smacked for being retarded and isn't selling any more.

>>56548057
I tried to warn you a couple weeks ago but you didnt listen

Based doggo I have 4. Man we are hitting 440 today. Market is ricockulous.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>56547717
>All the seethe at this post
Yep this is the correct post. Ok closing smg for the day

LMFAO

US ISM PMI was bullish

Again, eat shit bears. Doomers blown the FUCK OUT.

fuck

>>56548074
My capitol frees up on monday, then I revolve back into bearish etfs.

>>56548096
I look like this.

>>56548007
I'm not really bearish as much as you or Nieuwerburgh, but I still find it morbidly fascinating there's a real risk of another real estate caused financial crisis so soon after the previous one

>>56548105
"The PMI survey paints a far more subdued picture of US economic health than the latest bumper GDP numbers, with October seeing very muted growth of business activity for a third successive month. A summer-surge in service sector activity, fueled by rising consumer spending, has stalled. Manufacturing is meanwhile also struggling to regain momentum amid weak global demand. As such, the survey data are broadly consistent with GDP rising at an annual rate of around 1.5%."
You sure about that, chief?

>>56548104
>>56548083
>>56548074
>>56548069
>>56548066
Sure is reddit as fuck in here

>>56548086
>>56548100
Why did he decide to LARP as Walt Disney?

>he really thought he's gonna be in the next "the big short" movie

>>56547734
Yeah except the real world recession hits after market bottom, you pitch black retard gorilla nigger. Anons like your porch monkey ass are getting laid off now, to reduce expenses for the company and make their financials look better for shareholders.

Stocks are going to moon in the scenario you described, you are just too stupid and black skinned to understand any of it.

Death penalty for bears. Thank God for dead bears.

>>56548120
I'M MELTING UP!!!

What do you think about MEARSK B? Im eyeing a decent entry here, maybe even a short term x5 ETF on the panic sale

THE SPX* DOESN'T EVEN NEED APPLE COMPUTER TO RALLY

More gains to be had penny stonk chads.

Keep loading up.

>>56548112
reddit are retard permabulls which is why you have faggots still pouring money into gme and bbbyq

>>56548121
>Yeah except the real world recession hits after market bottom
No, it doesn't. Markets fall an average of 20% during recessions, markets bottom around 4 months before the recession ends. They bottom DURING the recession, not before.
>redd*t spacing
KYS

>>56548074
not until 4400

>>56548121
As a cashtard, I have been led to believe that the majority of the equities crash occurs after the yield curve uninverts/the fed pivots. Please spoon feed a poor retard and relieve me of my ignorance, bull-sama

I just hope tqqq ends above 37,86 today so that one anon is both unheemed and redeemed.

I lost about 15k on etoro in the past 2 years and last week they just gave me diamond club status and an account manager out of the blue. He keeps trying to contact me but I never answer. Why would they do that? Do they think I'm going to off myself or something?

>>56548140
I mean that's just simply not true but okay. Retail has been overwhelmingly bearish since last year; shorting every headline became the new GME.

>>56548160
you think gme and bbbyq threads aren't reddit when the entire op is reddit links?

>>56548133
The funny thing is that companies have been selling off after earnings and then rebound so it will fuel the rally next week:^)

>>56548142
>kys
If forced to choose, rather than kill myself I'd much rather kill you, and everyone like you, for being bearish and for no other reason. You "people" belong in mass graves. The world would be much better off without you in it.

welp, i got the job. i guess the "winter arc" begins. see you lads in 6-figure hell

>>56548160
not true, not even a little - buddy, do you even look at the surveys??
we have had 40%+ bull readings for literally the entire year
it wasn't until we just hit $410 SPY that we finally saw a bear print above 40%
eg.
>pic related
do you see this shit?
do you see how bear was only 24%?
Lmao.
>retail has all been bearish!!!
No, they fucking haven't. Lmao.

>>56547882
>The job market continues to be at historically strong levels
Actually READ the data. The economy shed nearly 400k full time jobs. Joe Biden's unbelievably fake fluff numbers are laughable.

>>56548155
>This guy lost 15k and still trades. he must have a lot more to put in.

>>56548183
What do you do again?

>>56548183
>welp, i got the job.

my condolences

>>56548183
Gambare 0dte-kun, you're gonna do great!

>>56548183
sorry, jobs suck. Hang in there.

>>56548183
damn bro, I hope you get better soon

>>56547916
>Trading Places taking place in real time rn

>>56548185
this is literally the peak of bearishness for the entire year
>pic related
during the correction was the most bearish retail has been the entire year, and it could barely hold onto 40%, and has already moved back to bullish

>>56548183
congratulations

MGK is 14% AAPL
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
when VT and VTI outperforms your growth etf, I want to put jack bogle in the fucking old-folks home.

>>56548155
ask them how much you need to to to get Platinum club status

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncuqG8WJbi8

>>56548185
>we have had 40%+ bull readings for literally the entire year

why else would the market be up 20% a year

"market is bullish so it can't get more bullish"
is the most retarded bear argument I have ever seen.

>>56548153
market goes down a lot, you buy. it's very simple. you're better off ignoring news, projections and forecasts. the over confident midwit with a little knowledge is an easy trap to fall into.

>>56548112
This place is already cringe enough with yids and poos unironically lapping up bidenomics and kamalatard caliber takes from the people only exist to sell advertising.

>>56548223
buddy.. did you just learn to start trading?
excessive bullishness is bearish
excessive bearishness is bullish
are you really unaware of this dynamic?
L m a o.

>>56548217
I love that all big generic ETFs almost have all the same top 10 holdings, just in slightly different numbers

>>56548230
Cope and seeth

>>56548224
If you do this you're ignoring a lot of opportunities to make money on market downturns.

>>56548221
nono you don't get it, this is the top tier. Apparently you normally have to invest 250k for you to get it, what are they playing at here?

>>56548217
>RSP

>>56548230
>excessive bullishness
Just admit you missed the dip

It’s my palantir and you can’t have it

>>56548230
Shut up, nigger

>>56548243
>RSP Year to date -0.23%, expense ratio 0.20%
>MGK year to date +34.76%, expense ratio 0.07%

>>56548224
>market goes down a lot
>>56548249
>the dip
Zoom out
Compare to M2

>>56548249
buddy.
see
>>56547917
I literally pushed for you all to 'buy' the dip; to play the dip as the most free money trade of the year. You can make short term bull plays but still be [overwhelmingly] bearish

>>56548278
dont worry about them anon. they're lost. those are the people we're trading against. their donations are welcome.

>>56548278
few bulls understand that you're not locked into a position for eternity, it feels like.

>18.65
OH NONONONO PALANTCHADS IT'S OVER

>>56548271
See it could be worse.

Let’s have a moment of silence for all the blown up bobo accounts

>>56548271
>YTD
cool, but what about moving forward?

>YFW you didn't miss the dip

>>56548301
I might move into VIG, I also bought EDV and VCLT on monday.

Double top, a crash is coming within a few years.
Nobody on this board traded during 2007-2008 so I expect every single one of you to get wept out.
A real crash takes at minimum 3 years to recover from. 3 to 6 is more common, up to 10-20 years if catastrophic. Covid drop was fake, 6 month recovery , partly thanks to the fed printer pump.

Most of the gains in bonds have been coming from premarket, am I crazy for noticing this?

>>56548292
That is vile. Almost as vile as my predictions that we would go to the 100d average on daily... and we are. I should become a financial advisor or something

>>56548316
There's nothing on that rusted out grill WHORE

Seriously, what's oil doing?

>>56548297
Market takes the weak, they were told to sell.

>>56548336
Crabbing

if war starts oil goes up no

>>56548321
if spy doesn't break 474 this year we have been down / flat for 2 years anon.

>>56548336
>increasingly nervous journoshill publishes "it's all up from here for oil" article for the 11th time this week

>>56548336
nothing, there's no oil news it's just algorithms and day traders randomly jittering the price up and down

I won’t—no, I can’t let go

>>56548347

>>56548323
You'll stop noticing if you know what's good for you.

>>56548344
yes, if the conflict escalates, oil price will go up
however, today Hezbollah speech made it seem higher probability that this is not going to happen
https://www.forexlive.com/news/hezbollah-leader-gaza-operation-was-100-planned-in-gaza-20231103/
>The headline here is that he is distancing himself from the terrorist operation in Gaza, saying that they didn't know anything about it. He's added in the usual rhetoric and support for them, but was careful to say they weren't involved, which is a hint they don't want to be involved.

>>56548321
>everything is either a v-shaped recovery or it's 1929
I don't think it's worth arguing with you since you are clearly pretty low iq

>>56548297
No, fuck 'em, let's make a lot of noise instead.

>>56548336
Whatever the fuck it wants

>>56548380
Damn, what a modern Greek tragedy.

>>56548353
pltr bros..

bbuuttt AAPL earnings wwhhere bad....

Some of the finest leaf in the shire just before I Yolo into the calls

>>56548405
they were, but mumu euphoria is mumu euphoria and the experienced bear is well acquainted with retard strength pumping and has an instinct of when to dive out of the way of a coming train.
IE shorting ahead of earnings is rookie moves for bears.

>>56548321
We're entering year 3 off the high, that's quite a long time. That's almost on par with 2008-2011 for a full crash and recovery cycle to make new highs.

>>56548405
rising tide

>>56548332
There was no child in cages either
>>56548358
anon... no
>>56548405
I said yesterday apple could literally go to 0 and spy would only be down 7%

>>56548429
Everything we've done, we'll do again. Time is a flat circle and such.

>>56548078
>for giganigga companies that don't deal in bullshit (looking at you n-flix)
*NATGAS
>they're
*it's

>>56548405
Sorry bobo rising unemployment is bullish now

>Leveraged into a risky short term ETF again

Why do I terrorize myself like this

HUSH LITTLE MUMU DONT SAY A WORD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD-E-LDc384

The irony of using ta to predict the price of palantir which itself is a tool for future predictions based off the lotr seeing stones is too much meta. Pull me out of the sim guys. It’s ogre

>>56548440
N-gas isn't a bad idea at all. Commodities are kinda schizo sometimes though.

>>56548447
Because you don’t have kids

>>56548405
I'm sorry mumu but you can have a whiff of my SOXL feet. I don't even need appl to keep running this high.

>>56548469
I didn't know soxl still had this kind of oomph in it. Frankly, I thought it was over for that etf.

>Feels real good to be back in SOXL now that SOXX is back above the 200 day moving average. We had a scare back there semiconductor bros but at this point I'd say we're back. Now let's fuckin GO back to $72 oooooOooooooOOOOOOooooo

>>56548436
Next you’ll be talking about a persons light cone

>>56548504
/smg/ isn't ready for that.

>>56548463
Well, NATGAS is a thing completely unto itself, really. It tends to ride somewhat roomy weeks/months long ranges along the ramps of the futures curves, barring sudden wild disruptions like the Russian pipeline explosion and the resulting Euro panic. It's mostly a machine that one can lrn2operate.

>>56548490
Why would you think that? Did you believe retarded bobos don't understand semiconductors, AI, or that massive retard that owns Funkopops? If that isn't enough to make you think twice I don't know what is.

They laughed at me, they said
>Wheat? Anon, you're gluten-intolerant, Wheat is just not for you!
well who has the last laugh now, huh?

We will dump today. Nobody is holding this shit over the weekend.

>>56548515
That sounds pretty schizo to me. Anyway, methane is a cool guy aint afraid of nothin etc.

>>56548537
The cope keeps going.

>Russia launched dozens of aerial attacks at targets across Ukraine, including usually safer parts of the country, amid growing concerns in Kyiv that the west’s attention has shifted away from the conflict and its support could dry up - FT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c65yR7FWJsM

>>56548535
Wheat anon i kneel

>>56548548
That's bullish, it means we're not wasting production capacity funding genocide against slavs.

>>56548533
Leverage decay, ergo soxl is down 75% from its ATH while SPY is only down 9%. Not a lot of juice left in that ETF, and I'm surprised it could do this much.

>>56548545
Were literally in a bear market and you’re buying the dead cat bounce.

>>56547716
It’s not about Greek vs NL tomatos. Your grandpas tomato is an actual tomato, fruity and delicious. You can grow them wherever tomatos grow. NL tomatos are produced for max yield in kg for cheapest cost. They are super watery hence have almost no taste. Most kids these days never tasted an actual tomato

>>56548564
maybe- What i thought yesterday. I wish I would have held yesterday instead of selling it all for a modest profit.

>>56548562

>>56548540
Oh, it's definitely schiz, which is the other part of what makes it the greatest trade on Earth. The peaks and valleys of those ranges switch with each other semi-regularly and you never know exactly when, so you just have to try to always be at least partly on the ride just in case, and always be trying to find places to slip a little bit more into the ride as close to the troughs as possible and be ready for the WILD BUCKIN' BRONCO to, you know, do some fuckin' buckin'.

>>56547717
You are ofc right. Recession is next. Though you need to work on that anger. After all it’s the cattle that feeds the wolf so why be angry at cattle, wolf?

>>56548548
>tfw you're not the current thing anymore
The attention economy is a cruel and fickle mistress

IVE CAPTURED THE HIGH GROUND
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLTchCiC0T0

AWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH why are we crashing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BUY THE DIPS YOU FAGGOTZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!

>>56548562
Bro the decay is almost nothing and this ETF has existed for a decade now and is up over 1000%. How fucking dumb do you want to be about this?

>>56548564
Cope

>VIX market maker paypigs my body is ready! Short UVXY broken wing butterfly chads let's fuckin go!

>it's a nothinghappens day
can something please just happen
up or down i dont care

>>56548575
On a totally unrelated note: you ever watch Deadwood?

>>56548588
Here’s a hint. They don’t want you buying it. Now fuck off. I know because I’m holding palantir

I made a killing on DAL today. This isnt even where I sold, I think it was +3200%. I had many other call sets. kek.

>>56548562
Lmao you are SO FUCKING DUMB hahahahaha

>>56548583
wtf are you looking at? stop using the 1m chart

>>56548588
meh. keep holding it then, I'm sure it'll hit new ATH's long before spy hits 470 again.

>>56548588
>Bro the decay is almost nothing and this ETF has existed for a decade now and is up over 1000%. How fucking dumb do you want to be about this?
That's so cool for all the investors here that bought SOXL a decade ago, and totally aren't down 50% on their position that they actually bought 2-3 years ago, despite a massive overall market pump.

>>56548602
Your plays are wild anon keep it up.

>>56548608
Yeah dude no one at all thought to ignore the faggot doomers last year and buy SOXL sub-$10. Lmao. IDIOTS the lot of you

Oh, fuck, no, but thanks for the reminder. Back then I was married and wanted to watch it, and within the first episode or so my ex poo pood it. I especially want to see it now after having loved Justified.

It’s only 10oclock

>>56548608
That's so cool you need to cope like that.

>>56548599
>>56548606
We need hte options at 1 cent intervals.

>>56548615
Congratulations on your $25 peak, aka less than half, while SPY made almost everything back.

>>56548602
Unironically good job anon
Wish I had a bit more fun-times money to use on options

>>56548619
>futures

>>56548616
>>56548598
fuck

Anon who posted the December 1st $650 calls a few days ago based on the SMG price prediction survey those have been an excellent hedge they are up 300%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qanF-91aJo

>first dip buy
just call me the oracle of anus holes

>>56548629
Amen to that pic

>>56548630
>>56548616
Do it.

t. western enjoyer

>>56548615
This, if you weren't buying SOXL at 7 bucks you might be legitimately retarded.
>>56548624
You're acting like people who hold SOXL have 100% of their portfolio in it. Aside from maybe one anon here that's just a meme.

>>56548602
What methods do you use for determining what you're going to play, and how you're going to play them?

>>56548629
Godbless texas

>>56548645
I am? I was just saying I was surprised soxl still had today's pump in it after two years of leverage decay rape. I'm in it myself but I sure don't have thoughts that it's going to hold value over time.

>>56548615
Wow. Amazing. different timeframes produce different results, who could've guessed that??
You've really proven me wrong, now I know for sure that the backtested timeframe with a massive bull run will be repeated this next decade.

>>56548608
BTW even when I added SOXl 5 years ago its still up over 1000%. You are just a dipshit.

>>56548650
I was looking for sectors that hadnt yet gone full bull run because of jpeezy yesterday. and travel / airlines seemed to be it.

>>56548635
One of the price inputs for Nvidia price prediction was the cost of an adult alligator

>>56548655
>I'm just going to ignore the overall trend of markets to move forward and the line to go up to cope
Yeah great maybe we can have a decade long bear market for once for no reason.

>>56548653
only steers, queers, and automobeers live in texas.

On the topic of retarded SOXL trades, is anyone surprised that the 200 SMA leveraged rotation bros sold the literal bottom after holding through a 50% decline?

>>56548676
They deserve it. David SOXL is a man that never gives up.

>>56548676
A little, but at least it shows he's trying to get better at the market verses individuals who think "just holding" is how you get rich.

>>56548674
And you don’t have horns anon!

>>56548624
..What? SOXL went from 6.50 to 28.50 you absolute mouthbreather, is a 438% gain not good enough for you?

>>56548700
i also don't live in texas

>>56548702
and this next round it can go from 6.50 to 22.50.

>>56548705
…it’s the next line from that movie in full metal jacket but now I see you haven’t seen that movie and just know the quote. Neato

>>56548676
not surprised, everything looks easy on a backtest

>>56548130
>>56548130
>>56548130

>>56548709
I mean, I can throw out random numbers too lol. The thing is, the doomers and fudders have been consistently 100% wrong about the long-term direction of the market

>>56548676
Are you retarded?

>>56548683
>>56548689
>>56548715
What are you guys on? SOXX closed above the 200 day so moving average bros just bought back in. Do you think you sell and that's just it? Are you all brain dead?

>>56548739
>Are you retarded?
Perhaps, but am I wrong here? Did they not sell the literal bottom?
At least I had the self-awareness to sell my semis near what seemed to be a pretty obvious top.

I think 200 day SMA does a pretty good job predicting reasonable entries. Its the exits that need work.

>>56548723
spy is down 8% from two years ago.

>>56548790
The bottom is only known in hindsight. The market could turn right around next week and plummet straight down. Literally nobody knows. Selling SOXL when SOXX went underneath the 200 day was the conclusion of a successful trade that made double digit percentage realized gains. Now SOXX is back above the 200 day and a new trade on SOXL is initiated. I'm looking forward to it also being successful. It's just trades and risk management. The way it's supposed to be done, not buy and hope while holding through massive drawdowns

>>56548640
I think I shall.
>>56548662
And what was led you to think that the sectors which hadn't run from that were going to run so soon next? I'm not being critical at all, just to be clear, but sincerely seeking to learn the thinking and ways of those which succeed at all of these constant "plays". I hope to someday be able to step outside the comfy safety zone that is NATGAS.

>>56548780
okay post your position

>>56548843
The position is long SOXL from 9:30am this morning. You have Google, check the price yourself

>>56548297
All the boboids are dead and us actual good people will be rich. Christmas came early

>>56549819
>Mispricing things
>Good people