/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>56545275
Inshallah, I will finally be able to afford OJ

>>56545294
Need a few more days of OJ longs getting pulped

Cocoa chads assemble

What happened there? Orange juice never got expensive in stores, in fact most seemed to stop carrying other stuff like punch.

wow tomorrow really is the big one isn't it i just bought a bunch of commodity stocks too fucking bullshit

i heard tomorrow
is when it all turns red
i have to confess
that i'd rather be dead

This is a Chainlink board. Leave. Go elsewhere stock people.

>Bank of Japan
NOTHINGBURGER
>China's economy
NOTHINGBURGER
>Bond yields
NOTHINGBURGER
>Ukraine
NOTHINGBURGER
>Israel vs Palestine
NOTHINGBURGER
>Earnings
NOTHINGBURGER
>FOMC
NOTHINGBURGER

I mean jesus fucking christ how do you even live with yourself as a bear?? Literally every single piece of doomer nonsense ends up being meaningless

I was promised that something cool would happen regarding the housing market and wallstreet suicides by the baker

>>56545334
wtf are you talkin about the market has been flat for almost 3 years now

>>56545275
Home depot wagie here;

Call me schizo but I think you guys should be shorting a LOT retail stocks right now. Why? Well...apparently Home Depot has been having issues lately.

>Self checkout aisles were completely down for an entire day last week
>Workforce app has pretty much stopped working for a lot of wagies
>Passwords not working at all
>Workday is under 'maintenance' until later like November 7th
>Store manager claims that we are 'just moving to a new server" but did not mention much earlier for some reason
>This issue has been happening to ALL Home Depot stores throughout the USA abruptly

Its rather concerning because if you recall, Las Vegas got hacked by the Scatter Spiders hacker group a while ago. One of our biggest Suppliers, Clorox, got hacked by them in October and it caused nearly $600 million in damages and was the main reason why Home Depot has supply chain problems for a long ass time with bleach and wipes. I would not be Surprised if Home Depot got targeted as well and a bunch of other retail chains will get hacked soon too.

>that gigantic bear flag on the futures which just broke down

>>56545314
They just diluted it more and more to be sugar, water, and orange flavoring. Plus the usual shrinkflation and pricing shenanigans.

>>56545332
We have as much a right to this board as Israelis have to the land of Judea.

>>56545335
There's an old adage "When the bond market sneezes, the rest of the markets catch a cold. And when the orange juice market sniffs, the other markets die."

>>56545348
OKTA got hacked big time. If you use that (or use someone who uses that), it's gg. That's how Caesar's and MGM ate shit.

>futures
It's over bros.

>>56545334
I'll still be telling everyone I know to dodge the draft, and also whatever irrelevant eastern yuropoor shithole you hail from won't exist by this time next year. This is financial advice.

I voted today, for the reverse stock split

>>56545382
Mr Cooper, a MASSIVE mortgage loan service company got hit with cyber attacks too.

We might be witnessing the cyber pandemic happening already. forget the shoplifting epidemic, hackers will be fffaaaaaaaarrrrrrr worse!

>>56545348
It's the beginning stages of Cyber Polygon.

>>56545382
Fucking everyone uses Okta for authentication and security. If they got hacked that's basically the end of the world, at least for 90% of corporations and institutions. Fuck.

>actually long AAPL
iToddlers eternally btfo

>>56545435
They beat earnings and beat revenue.

>>>56545435
>They beat earnings and beat revenue.
iToddlers gonna iToddle

>>56545453
>sales are in dteady decline but inflation makes number go up more gooder :^)
Literally a microcosm of the entire fake and gay US economy.

>>56545460
*steady

SELLSELLSELLSELLSELL

>>56545420
ah fuck me, I thought that was only a meme but now I look up on google, Ace Hardware and fucking BOEING got cyber attacks recently too. Shit has hit the fan.

>>56545275
im drinking some of this right now

Is this some new disfiguring poison making my face so hot tonight?

>>56545469
short msft

>>56545481
>anon displays his immense wealth

i may or may not have a job tomorrow. if i do i'll probably stop trading for a while to stack some cash before opening an IBKR account. wish me luck anons

>>56545513
Good luck yui poster
Some day I'll find a new job too andt hen I can restart DCAing into TQQQ... or not, who knows
YES MAN
https://youtu.be/U7lstWb1RrY

>>56545275
Orange juice ETF when?

>>56545541
My fridge is my commodity basket. I sleep soundly knowing that my carton of orange juice will always be worth more than the day I bought it.

>check stocks shortly after open
>going up :)
>check again after close
>went down :(
why do stocks lie

>>56545348
WDAY main North American data center got knocked offline. Not hacked. Not sure of current status but customers are being brought back online.

>have $299
>lose $262 on Wednesday FOMC spy puts leaving only $37 left
>look for cheap 1dte spy calls to swing into Thursday because sentiment was bullish
>wait 30 minutes for a call worth $38 to drop a dollar before close
>it closes at $38 so I have no swing trade
>$38 call is worth $400 in the morning
lol

>>56545527
>gets laid off (sign of bad economy)
>still wants to take out leveraged longs
Do bulltards really?

>>56545513
I just started my job and Im gambling extra hard so I dont have to go anymore. Unfortunately I bought AAPL calls today

>>56545604
fuck you don't post my own meme jpgs back at me

>>56545604
Anon's not way off base. Rising unemployment is the only thing that could make Powell ease up on the inflation fight and cut.

>>56545636
It's time to join the winning team, nigga.

t. (You) from 6 months ago

>>56545639
But that's the opposite of how hedging works. You're supposed to hedge against your loss of income, due to a bad economy, by going short.

>>56545613
What’s the point in earnings plays when the IV is so fuckhuge the day before? Might as well had bought calls the day before earnings because the option valus after earnings dries up immediately at open the next day

Black Swan Black Swan, Flying high,
In the markets of the kike,
What beheeming fud or lie,
Could trip thy frightful circuitry?

All the market sells and buys,
Yet you determine when it dies?
Can they see that things are dire?
Will the Fed, dare draw thy ire?

Head and shoulder, gaps and bart
Does it matter what we chart?
Even if the earnings beat,
This the peak? And bankers leap?

Start the fire, post the Bane,
No survivors, on this plane?
Dust to dust, and ash to ash,
One last final market crash?

When the bulls die with the bears
Endless streams of wagie tears:
Did you smile your work to see?
Jannies clean it up for free?

Black Swan Black Swan, Flying high,
In the markets of the kike,
What beheeming fud or lie,
Dare trip thy frightful circuitry?

>>56545657
My point is that a bad economy will lead to rate cuts which'll very rapidly lead to a good stock market. It absolutely is a hedge!

>>56545677
You're an addict waiting for your next central bank hit. Absolutely disgusting, just like the rest of this fake and gay "economy".

>>56545698
I don't make the rules, I just play by them.

In the presser on Wednesday JPow mentioned he needed to see financial conditions persistently tighter. He stressed they needed to be persistent as opposed to the fluctuations we're seeing now such as how long term interest rates are moving around. In the next breath he gave lower equity prices as an example of something that brings about tighter financial conditions. In short he's saying he wants to see persistently low equity prices before he's willing to think about thinking about slowing QT or lowering rates. He wants to see stocks crash and will not be happy until they don't. He's also one of the few people on earth that can single-handedly make that happen. Explain to me how this is not bearish. Explain how the market does not inevitably crash when these facts are true and straight out of the Fed chairman's mouth

Until the yield curve uninverts or the COST hotdog goes above 1.50 I WILL NOT SELL

>>56545746
>COST hotdog

WHQT TH E FUNCK WAS THWT

>>56545746
I wouldn't sell at all unless the hotdogs go for $10.50

>>56545657
Based hedgehog

>>56545746
You fucking dumb shit the price of the costco dog will not change

My sleep and mental health started to noticeably decline when everything switched to LED/fluorescent bulbs

>>56545334

>>56545922
SOVL vs SOVLLESS

SPY CEILING IS 460. ANYTHING PAST 450 IS EXHAUSTING

>Japan combating inflation with stimmies

oh my god are they retarded?

So are we getting dumped on tomorrow or we going to keep.beimg green? Just wanna make quick buck which ever way it goes I need to recover I'm down $5,000 in past 3 months. I swear this market is rigged so I wanna fuck them too

>>56545955
Yes, worse than turkey at this point. Erdogan at least had the insight to stop. Even hired a woman and she blasts out surprise hikes by 500bps.

>>56545955
it's probably a ZOG marching order

>>56545957
Yes, need the money to help Israel with 14,6 billion.

>>56545942
In one scenario I have on my SPX chart there is a straight approach of the ATHs somewhere between February and mid April 2024.
SPX ~4560pts to ~4600pts is a mere consolidation over time range in that scenario.

However, I honestly don't know if
>full retard FED policy change anticipation euphoria
really is strong enough to carry the SPX to these levels (ATHs) without an actual tangible policy change by the FED (which I believe isn't coming.)

>>56545742
the futures market bets on rate decrease by spring 2024 kek

>>56546020
discard these things as betting odds by degenerate gamblers on withdrawal.

>>56546009
no

>>56546035

>Die französische Großbank Societe Generale hat dank eines robusten Investmentbanking-Geschäfts mit seinen Quartalszahlen die Analystenerwartungen übertroffen. Frankreichs drittgrößtes Geldhaus erzielte im dritten Quartal einen Gewinn von 295 Millionen Euro, wie Societe Generale am Donnerstag mitteilte. Das ist zwar ein Einbruch von 80 Prozent verglichen mit dem Vorjahreszeitraum, Analysten hatten allerdings im Schnitt mit lediglich 168 Millionen Euro und damit deutlich weniger Gewinn gerechnet.

>Societe Generale, 295 million € profit
>That's -80% y/y
>Still above expectations, which were 168m €

Fuck this market

>>56546020
The futures market is high. JPow wants financial conditions tight and he wants them tight for an extended time necessary to crush inflation completely this cycle. The risk is that they tighten up just long enough to make a good show then he lowers rates, lowers the amount of QT, and financial conditions immediately loosen thus undoing all his progress in one fell swoop. He wants the tightening to be real and not just a direct in the moment response to anticipated Fed policy moves. The only way to avoid that is to maintain "higher for longer" until tight financial conditions become entrenched without needing further push from the Fed. Lowering rates in early 2024 would be too soon for that to happen and JPow knows it. He's hinted at it as much as he can without outright saying it but the bondtards don't seem to be taking the hint. Higher for longer is happening

>>56546057
>Das ist zwar ein Einbruch von 80 Prozent verglichen mit dem Vorjahreszeitraum, Analysten hatten allerdings im Schnitt mit lediglich 168 Millionen Euro und damit deutlich weniger Gewinn gerechnet.
Man muss sich auch einmal mit weniger zufrieden geben können. :^)

>>56546070
Als Bär muss man so einiges ertragen. Die Kuh wird noch gemolken.

>>56546061

>>56546057
>>56546070
>>56546087
Aus mein weg bobo scheissdreck.

>>56546091
>German Exports SA (M/M) Sep: -2.4% (exp -2.0%; R prev -1.1%)
>- Imports SA (M/M) Sep: -1.7% (exp -0.1%; R prev -0.2%)

Oh nein nein nein

>>56546108
Das letzte mal (2008+) ist Deutschland ganz gut mit Kurzarbeit davon gekommen.
Eigentlich nicht nur ganz gut, sondern fabelhaft.
Merkel's vielleicht einziger Verdienst.
Ob es das nächste mal anders laufen wird, wer weiß.

>>56546123
>Kurzarbeit
Schön das Risiko der wirtschaftlichen Konjuktur auf den Arbeitnehmer verlagern. GIPFEL Kapitalismus. Ironisch nur, dass die SPD sicher auch nichts daran ändern würde.

Today, US employment data might be a "several sigma beat" again.

SCHEISS DHL BEEILT EUCH ENDLICH, ICH BRAUCH DEN PC. ICH MUSS NOCH FORTNITE DOWNLOADEN DAMIT ICH MIT MEINEM NEFFEN DIE NEUE SEASON ZOCKEN KANN, AAAAAAAH

>>56546132
Falls es ein nächstes mal gibt wird das wohl wieder ähnlich laufen.
Egal wer gerade am Ruder ist.
>>56546146
kek

>>56546156
Das glaube ich absolut. Siehe Grüne. Industriestrom für CHEMIE und Industrie. Die CO2-Schleudern. Dann auch noch Pro-Krieg, olivgrün. Es ist scheißegal, wer führt. Die Führung sitzt in Washington und vor Paris sitzt Mickey Maus.

One minute you're having a goblin amphetamine orgy in a $40 million Bahaman penthouse, the next you're going to jail for a couple of decades.
Was it worth it?

They didn't tried to make him look like a jew this time

>>56546178
Am Ende sind alle Pro-Krieg. Ohne Ausnahme.
Und "Amerika" ist Rammstein's bester Song, imo. :D

>>56546211
Wtf, they made him look way better. That's not remotely his headshape.

>>56546212
Ist auch einfach, wenn man nicht selbst mehr muss oder keine Kinder für hat. Oder seine Kinder wegschickt. Eine Frau ist, oder schlichtweg ungeeignet (wie Lauterbach aller Wahrscheinlichkeit nach).

Warren Buffett nailed it

https://youtu.be/j8s7pNuiINM

>>56546229
>Smash that like button, like and subscribe
Not gonna click. That "K" on the leftern top tells me it is some youtube grifter.

>>56546101
And how do you anticipate or forecast the Yield curve spread?

>>56546235
Even just reading the description of the video is worth the time

>>56546235
Bro I was visiting my friend who has a daughter and his toddler daughter literally says "please like and subscribe" as goodbye because so it's said so often at the end of the videos she watches. This newer generation is fucked.

>>56546249
LMAO
Even the Joker has a zoomercut.

>>56545357
Can you even get real orange juice anymore?

Are bears really that surprised that we didn't completely fall through the floor? We were massively oversold and now had a nice bull run, completely demolishing the first two resistance levels and now heading to yet another resistance.
Btw, thanks USbros for gigapumping my EU bags. EU stocks had insane earnings yet fell because of FUD. We will finally go to ATH. So, thanks.
There is no reason for many stocks to not be at ATH or very close to it.

>>56546101

>>56546228
>Ist auch einfach, wenn man nicht selbst mehr muss oder keine Kinder für hat
Wehrpflicht gilt bis 60, habe nachgeschaut, bei mir noch 3 Jahre. Aber dazu wird es nicht kommen, traditionell werden immer die jüngeren zuerst einberufen und verheizt, bis wir Ü50-jährigen dran sind ist der Krieg eh verloren.

non farms should be way down and unemployment should be up

>>56546259
You thought Jared letos joker was bad wait until you meet zoomer joker

>>56546269
Gut, dass Pistorius 63 ist. Er braucht nicht mehr kriegstüchtig werden :)

Ich bin ohnehin Ausländer. Ich verabschiede mich dann. Ich sterbe für niemanden, wenn ich es nicht will.

>>56546264
I planned to buy leveraged short ETFs again after a few days of rebound, but bought too early, yesterday morning, then it mooned. Oh well. Bought some more in the evening.

>>56545487
At least ditch it from your portfolio. MSFT is massively overvalued and that will be evident on November 15th

>>56546279
Ja ich denke auch viele der jüngeren wehrpflichtigen haben Migrationshintergrund, die werden auch nicht für Deutschland sterben wollen. Ehrlicherweise, wir deutschn wolleinzwischen auch nicht mehr für Deutschland sterben weil sowieso nur andere von unserem Wohlstand profitieren., Ich arbeite lieber möglichst wenig, habe schon genug gespart und ivestiere jetzt an der Börse. und zahle kaum Steuern weil die eh nur an Parasiten ausgezahlt werden,.

>>56546280
Holy fuck you are stupid.

>>56545922
I bought a 20 year supply of pic because I'm not sure how long before they're outright banned on Amazon. (You can't buy them in stores anymore)

They improve my mood and I feel better. have most of them on a dimmer which provides kino light at night.

t. burger

>>56546304
Thanks I might do this. I think too much blue light does have a negative impact

>>56546291
Ja, gerade Deutschen kann ich nachempfinden, wenn sie es nicht wollten. Die Politiker scheren sich einen Dreck um das eigene Volk.

Machst richtig so. Steuern zu hoch, geht an Leute, die keine wirklichen Flüchtlinge im rechtlichen Sinne sind. Mein Vater wurde damals angeheuert in seinem Land, also hergebeten. Hat entsprechend auch direkt gearbeitet, ohne Sprachkenntnisse, nur 6 Jahre Schule. Und trotz dessen ein mir nicht nachvollziehbares Vermögen aufgebaut. Diese Zeiten gibt es nicht mehr. Heute kommt man hierher für Sozialhilfe oder arbeitet als Minijobber unter Wert. Arbeit lohnt sich nicht mehr.

>>56546291
Und apropos Steuern, da wollen sie einen auch ficken bei CFD und Optionen mit dem neuen Gesetz, der Verlustverrechnungsbeschränkung. 1A Durchbruch des Steuerrechts. Wenn das hält und nicht gekippt wird, wird es das bald überall geben. Und wer war es? Die SPD. Damit du bloß nicht finanziell unabhängig wirst.

>>56546315
Definitely. I also possess the annoying ability to see the refresh flicker rate of leds, and they make me sick.

>He didn't buy OIL with a 1$ downside aka a 79$ Biden put.

indices below vwap, gold above

>>56546332
Ja, denen fällt immer wieder was ein. Demnächst höhere Grundsteuer. Ich versuche das Gesamtpaket zu optimieren, arbeite Teilzeit, dadurch fast keine Lohnsteuer, niedrige Abzüge für Krankenkasse und meine Frau ist mitversichert.
Lebe sparsam, mache viel handwerklich selber, koche lieber zuhause als essen zu gehen. Geld das du nicht ausgibst geht zu 100% in deine Tasche und kannst du investieren, Geld das du mehr ausgibst musst du erstmal verdienen und dabei 50% Steuern zahlen...

what sectors are going to bottom early Q1?

>>56546304
inspiring
good way to keep warm this winter as well

>>56546361
>essen gehen
Traue eh den meisten Buden nicht und auf Sojaöl und co. habe ich auch keine Lust.

Ja, das mit der Grundsteuer ist nem "Boomer" zu verdanken. Google ist so scheiße geworden, ich finde einfach den Artikel nicht mehr mit dem Kläger, der so ne China-Drachen-Jacke (Chinaenthusiast aus Berlin) trug. Aber naja, war ohnehin fehlerhafte Praxis.

Ja, arbeiten Geld verdienen Steuer drauf zahlen und wenn du mit dem Geld zockst, wollen sie auch wieder nen Teil.

This is a jokemarket. For this week since US trading time changed for EU (one hour earlier) there is no trading at 9 am german time. Unlike before when US joined at 10 am, now nothing happens. Market is on hold.

>>56546391
>>56546361
Und nichts gegen dich wegen "Boomer". Ich fand es nur so ironisch, dass es wieder mal eine Person der älteren Generation ist, die nun die zukünftigen damit übelst fickt.

>>56545344
what you on about blud? This year market was up 40% from the lows.

>>56546362
None. Try Q4 at the earliest.

Imagine being Caroline and never being able to have anything but anal sex? Every single time you went to bed with some stud they'd instantly pounce on your little anus licking and prodding it before lubing up and jamming it into your starfish. You'd constantly try to egg them into giving your snatch a try to no avail; every man's heard of your legendary butthole and wants a piece of it, for all they care you might as well have a fat cock resting under it and it wouldn't amount to a hill of beans to these anal-obsessed wierdos. Eventually your ass would begin to loosen from being rammed so hard so many times by thick cocks that you'd barely even have to push to release stool, and one day you realize to your horror that you've pinched a loaf right in public without even realizing it. You'd have to resort to wearing a buttplug everywhere you went just to keep errant turds from flying out your loose sphincter. People would start to notice how you walk funny, and seem to prefer one leg. Rumours start to spread about how your ass has been so worn out your whole rectum has prolapsed and droops down to your knees and you need an attendant to shove it all back in again before a performance. People say that you needed to be admitted to the hospital once after your rectal entrails can out in the middle of the night and almost strangled you in your sleep. People are beginning to interpret all the lyrics of your songs as metaphors for your anus-related grievances. People are counting down the days until you come of age and drop out of the idol scene to become a JAV star that specializes in rosebud scenes where horny fans of yours line up to take a nice whiff of precious Caroline's inside-out baked Alaska.

>>56546420
would you hold tech until earnings in Jan/Feb or nah? I was thinking to shuffle shit around by week 2 Dec but I am probably just being impatient

>>56546422

>retard mumus really think the market should behave like yesterday's price action all the time every day
>meanwhile they will get a dose of reality today immediately after and make new lows

>>56546467
Bobos ass hole is becoming like Caroline Ellisons

>>56546476
>Mumus thinking about Bobo's asshole

maybe it would have worked out different for those crypto jews if they were good looking

>>56546500
What do you think preps the bull

>>56546507
Who would have thought Bulls are gay? Like that market, fake and gay

>Maersk wants to cut 10000 jobs
>NIO wants to cut 10000 jobs
kek

>>56546513
Sorry, I meant 10% for NIO.

>>56546510
Bobo gets fucked by Mumu that's just the way of the universe

Thanks for providing liquidity boboshits. We have barely just begun and I'm already up +2% (OMX). OMX is such a bitch to the US, it's crazy. It's EU but on steroids. If the average in the EU is 0.5%, the OMX is double that.

>>56545742
it's been priced in already, the market is forward looking

Since I bought the Google dip, I alredy made a 5%. It is really that easy, wait for earnings and scout oversold stocks due normie panic.

>>56546391
Neue Grundsteuer geht zurück auf Scholz als er noch Finanzminister war, richtige Missgeburt

>>56545275
Should be a nice dip buy opportunity today. I think the bobos win the opening bell but capitulate eventually. AAPL re-establishing Wed price action doesnt help the continuation

>>56546547
Sweden 19 points

hahahaha the pathetic "rally" is already over

now we just need US markets to open and Apple to send the mumus back to the pasture

>>56546603
>Dip
>this mumu is buying NOW instead friday a week ago

>eu "markets" literally just wake for american to wake up
lol

>>56546634
Is this a joke? Check again m8, we are pumping. NASDAQ is on the move from 13294 to the next resistance which is at 13624. The downtrend was been officially broken yesterday. So, we'll either continue fighting around the 18-day average or keep pumping. I highly doubt that we will dump. Fundamentally, it doesn't make sense to dump

>>56546661
Why do EU markets even still exist?

>>56546634
Literally it will be a dip and will be ultra green on Monday. The trend is a Santa rally and if you don't go long at least until January you will lose money

Oil needs to go up, it is far too cheap.

>>56546661
wait*
fuckl

>>56546673
local companies I guess but they don't really have any international relevance. All EU stock exchanges and London should just merge for the bigger European companies (whatever few are remaining)

>>56546770
is this supposed to be some image that is horribly outdated or something? whats wrong with putting oil back in the ground? it's good for the plants and provides nutrients that were lost like how bones give soil nitrite and shit

>>56546785
I like to skip the middle-man and drink used motor oil for breakfast

>>56546547
>providing liquidity
>Short Squeeze
>Squozzle
Lol, you are the exit liquidity.

>>56546672
It might just be bouncing down its current channel.

>>56546804
Too bad there isn't an updated version of my pic but this is gonna happen in the next two months as we get a proper Santa rally. Earnings are getting better and better and we are far off from ATHs. I am gonna sell on exactly the 29th of December

>>56546422
started off good but went on too long and got less funny

kek the cope on bloomberg about apple

>they d-d-don't care about revenue
>they d-d-d-don't care about market share
>apple is just about m-m-margins

This is coinflip market, waiting on data every day. Data that can be interpreted which ever way you want depending on your daily/weekly/monthly/quaterly mood.

>>56546846
>Earnings better
>Apple
You are not wrong, we will go up or at least sideways. CPI will probably be soft, but Q1 2024 this will end.

>>56546856
would short apple if this market was somehow rational but of course it isnt, its not a "growth stock" anymore its sales are down from last year by alot
I will never buy an over valued company

>>56546863
Apple was indeed better. They improved net result and earnings per share significantly (considering everyone thought the economy would go to hell if rates go above 4%, it's really impressive).
Iphone sales are fuckin up. I have no idea how but apparently normies really really love consuming too much. Macs were significantly down though.

I am of the opinion that the rates will catch up with the economy in the next 6-12 months, but until then I remain insanely bullish. This winter at the very least will be very bullish. That's why I am planning to sell it all in December and become a cash chad.

The FED or any other central bank won't hike in December, no way. They are bureaucrats and wouldn't fuckin dream of hiking in December so I think we are clear on that front. Wage growth along with price gouging and strong consumer spirit should make the inflation more hot in the coming months so I think they will hike after Christmas

>>56546918
I don't think they will hike at all. Just inflation numbers signalling higher for longer, yields spiking again and taking this market down for good. At least for 2-3Q til end of 2024 maybe.

Cathy Wood's ARKK is up almost 12% this week. It's spooky how good of a trader she is

>>56546941
number one reason why I’m considering shorting.

>>56546933
Yeah, they will just let the y/y effect take care of inflation and pat themselves on the back. Fuckin hacks. Too bad that effect is already diminishing for the US inflation (and will soon start diminishing for EU as well)

>>56546918
Anecdotally what is happening is everything is way more expensive but people haven't changed their spending habits at all. It can't go on forever. Eventually reality will catch up.

>>56546941
>>56546954
wonder if any anons did the short Cathy ETF
seems a bad time if they didn't get out

>>56546968
yeah. Two “buy everything you can” days in a row cleaned their clocks if they didn’t see the signs.

>>56545469
>Worked at McKinsey
>Last article on LinkedIn is about Juneteenth
Microsoft has officially become worse than I thought was possible.

>>56546983
They got blizzard. That’s the focus. Console gaming is dead

>>56546982
its down 20% or so atm, didn't get started until well after Cathy's big heem (good porno name)
Failed NNN twice so far

>>56545469
Would

>>56546993
Looking back at playing Warcraft 2 with my dad when I was a 7 year old kid, to what Activision-Blizzard (Brought to you by Microsoft {and Bond, Sarah Bond}) is now today, I would've called you crazy if you were to tell me this was the direction of video gaming was heading.

The 90's and some of the 00's really fucked me over, because I actually thought that games were actually going to keep getting better. I guess I really was a retarded kid all along.

>pic mostly unrelated, but not too unrelated.

>Company stock slides for months in anticipation of disappointing earnings report
>Bad earnings report comes out exactly as expected
>Stock price dumps

>>56547023
>Company stock slides for months in anticipation of disappointing earnings report
>Better earnings report comes out, not exactly as expected
>Stock price dumps
>Estee Lauder

>>56546249
I refuse to believe you aren't memeing me right now.

>The entire Eu is hovering around +-0%
>OMX +1%
I really do hate this schizofrenic index. Their central bank is gonna hike on Monday next week and they are gigapumping. Seems about right. Or wait, ahhh I get it. They are pricing in that the idiotic central bank is gonna be dovish and pause at a pathetic rate of 3,75% even though inflation is double that. I see how it is.
Everyone else is pausing despite ultra high inflation rates (like CZ for example) and some are even cutting (Poland despite a soaring inflation) so why not Sweden right?
I hate market psychology

>>56546964
true take anon but
>Eventually reality will catch up.
I doubt. Remember that 50% of the population will always be women and 40% feminized men until we go full China.

Does the M2 money supply even matter any more?

>>56546918
>Iphone sales are fuckin up. I have no idea how but apparently normies really really love consuming too much.
Black people buying status symbols on credit
>Macs were significantly down though.
Businesses and White people saving money in preparation for a downturn. Especially since you can still use 2012 macs just fine with Linux provided they're not physically broken.

AAPL better rebound

>>56545332
https://twitter.com/buccocapital/status/1720407345195266205
crypto is dead in the water

>>56547163
the velocity matters

>>56547173
Has Apple ever not rebounded? Has Apple ever fallen significantly? Come on bro, show some faith

>>56545334
>Literally every single piece of doomer nonsense ends up being meaningless
I mean most of these dont actually impact the US's abilities. Bond yield is concerning but still manageable.

>>56547189
>>56547173
Apple is unironically dying. They have no new products and ihpone sales have peaked. There isnt any growth left for them.

>japan gets lost decade from a huge crash
>gdp crabs for years
>because of this the japanese adopt a very big savings culture
>have to protect yourself and your family from crashes
>average japanese person has $126,000 in savings
>yes actually $126,000
>with their population that's $15.838 trillion
>their gdp is barely $5 trillion, america's is $23 trillion
>they could an American tier GDP if japanese people actually spent their money
>their solution to force this is inflation and a super crack cocaine quantitative easing version called yield control
>they try this for 4 decades and never succeed and never change tactics
>now in 2023 they finally get their big inflation moment
>surprise inflation hurts
>now people are now suffering
>no one anywhere even mentions the fact that their decades long strategy was clearly a stupid idea
>instead with no hint of irony they are trying to fix and tamper down inflation
>their solution to fix their inflation, after years of trying to cause it, is a big government stimulus
>their solution to inflation... is injecting money into the economy
japan's population decline isn't a problem, its a solution to the retarded

>>56547200
b-but they have "new chips"

Video to get you ready for the jobs report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHY9nIPo6s

>>56547200
>AI
that's all you need, bro. Infinite growth
>average japanese person has $126,000 in savings
Holy crap. Yeah, their government is retarded and so are the banks. Their banks are even worse than ours. I hate that consoomerism is pretty much the only way forward though. Inflation and consequently growth. There was a nice piece in a 1930 article mentioning that they would transform the US into a country of pure consoooom to establish the fastest growing and the strongest economy. And well, they were correct. Everyone is running to the dollar for protection

>>56547196
Meanwhile the nominal 2 year return on the snp500 is bellow -8%.

>>56547239
>AI
Apple doesnt really have AI though. they havent mentioned it much like msft and googl have and i just dont see siri or whatever it is being of interest.
>>56547221
kek yeah but i can get nu-chips from amazon too who at least got cloud growth too.
>>56547250
No one makes an investment off 2 years bro. Why dont you go pick some other meme investment horizon to justify your doomerism.

>>56547239
The US had a deflationary economy before the fed and it thrived. Consumerism is purely a result of inflation caused by the shell game the fed plays with bonds and dollars.

AI
more like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

>>56547257
>No one makes an investment off 2 years bro.
Then it will be three, then four.
Before you know it ten years will have passed and the indices will still be crabbing. It happened in Japan, it's happening in the UK, it will happen here.

>>56547208
>average japanese person has $126,000 in savings
Gonna need a sauce on that one...

>Makers of refrigerators, boats and teeth straighteners say US consumers are no longer buying big-ticket items, per Bloomberg.
https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1720415779236278330
to the anon yesterday when we were discussing this holiday season, and I told you how Powell had mentioned that nobody wanted to buy durable / goods that require financing
>durr nobody buys a boat on credit!!
Lol. Yeah, not anymore.. They're all tapped out.

>>56547270
It wasn't that long ago articles were saying the average american was a millionaire
by comparison the japs are poor

>>56547269
>it will happen here
No it literally wont dude. The dead stocks that did well with ZIRP will crash but the new winners will keep going. My msft is up 15%, my pltr and sofi memes are still up double digit %. When financial markets change conditions you dont bag hold the index you pivot to whats relevant and what will survive.

>>56547270
Its probably assets after debt, not cash savings

Dowbros, we're healing
>>56547270
The average is a very easy statistic to misconstrue a population or sample size. Some hyper rich japs at the top are pulling that number up, I bet the median is much lower but still better than most of the western world.

Markets loved this job report

ANAL BEAR MEAT

Jobs miss 150K when expected 180K
Market sees this as
>Wow, look, see, we are going into a recession!!
>Weak jobs!!
>Now the Fed will back off and give us easy monetary policy!!!
when in reality, it just means we're going into a recession.. and markets will move lower..

>>56547208
If every Japanese person spent their entire life savings all at once it'd make their economy the #2 in the world again for a single year before it crashed through the fucking floor as inflation absolutely exploded from the sudden introduction of such a huge amount of money to the economy, followed by a flash crash as nobody had any savings anymore, causing millions of Japanese that were relying on those savings for surprise expenses to suddenly become completely broke, declaring bankruptcy, causing massive bank failures, throwing the economy from explosive inflation in implosive deflation, and slamming the entire country's economy into the fucking floor Great Depression style. The Japanese do in fact need to spend more to keep their economy going but just blasting all their savings out of their asses would turn the Japanese economy into Africa-tier joke shit.

>>56547270

>>56547313
Yields crushed, dollar crushed - of course equities see relief
26 minutes to Hezbollah speech

>>56547316
Yep. Which is why their negative yield bullshit has been terrible. That's exactly whats happening now for them.

6.5% man euro's are lazy

VERY IMPORTANT UPDATE

>>56547313
>when in reality, it just means we're going into a recession
lol no

>>56547329
The fed isn't pivoting until after things crash. They've said that so many times.

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>>56547329
lol yes.
https://www.forexlive.com/news/gundlach-i-believe-weve-started-a-bond-rally-here-20231101/
>DoubleLine bond fund manager Jeff Gundlach is on CNBC following the FOMC decision and he called for a rally in bonds.
>Regarding price action in bonds he said "this is the classic price action before a recession".
>this is the classic price action before a recession

>>56547336
>The fed isn't pivoting until after things crash. They've said that so many times.
Except of course if its hurting their ((banking)) friends in which cause they'll pump like they did with SVB

>>56547270
>>56547208
>>56547316
you guys also forget the fact that generations of japanese milfs all became savvy with gaining capital and doing forex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKVUD-Se7c8

>>56547329
All those jobcuts are actually GOOD for the economy. And here's why:

>DXY
>VIX

bull rally time

>>56547325
Everyone on this board talks about how China and America are just two more weeks away from total economic collapse, but Europe and Japan feel way worse in every measurable metric.

>all the bobos in the thread coping because they don't understand how markets work
that's fine. The money I make has to come from somewhere. Thanks.

>>56547358
the secret is that everyone has already written them off as a lost cause so no one cares
we're expecting nothing from europe

>>56547270
>>56547292
>>56547295
>Multi-person households
>Savings held by multi-person households increased proportionally with the age of the household head. The average net savings, expressing the current savings minus current liabilities, of multi-person households amounted to over 13 million Japanese yen in 2022. Among households with a household head aged below 40 years, the net savings were negative, indicating that liabilities exceeded the amount of savings held among households in younger age groups.

>>56547358
Germany literally hitting deflation and will have to quickly cut rates.

what a fakeout on the DXY. God I hate crabbing markets

>>56547358
this.
I do have some concern over the handling of Evergrande new debt structure due on december 5th tho. Failure to meet that would actually mean a "happening"

>>56547358
Manchuria is rightful rising sun clay, we just need to get them back on their feet and teach them to hate again.

My SQQQ….

>>56547258
The living standard is significantly higher today than it was back then. Houses are way bigger and we no longer spend 20% of our salary on food.
Heh, then again you could sustain a whole family on one guy's salary (working a normal job without requiring 5y STEM degree and 5y+ experience).
The inception of FED + abandonment of the gold standard really did a number of inflation. It allowed profits to skyrocket for companies while wagies got shit.
>>56547299
And I love Lum, so stop posting my wife

>>56547392
>Holding leveraged ETFs over night

Good morning sisterfuckers

GVSI going to moon soon! Currently at .019 and if this does anything close to TNSP it will hit $2.

Get in now to 100x

LONG AND VARIABLE LAGS
>LONG AND VARIABLE LAGS
LONG AND VARIABLE LAGS
long
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variable
lags
+
niggers

Who needs rate cuts when yields do all the work lmao

>>56547403
>Holding leveraged ETFs over night
>not holding soxl over a year

>>56547401
>Houses are way bigger
Anyone who says this should be shot.
Who cares if houses are way bigger if most people have to live in tiny apartments and share them because they're unaffordable?
Living standards for most 40-80 year olds have improved, for everyone younger in the middle to lower classes they've seriously deteriorated.

>HIGHER
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so real talk, is this non-farm payroll number going to be revised to double what we just got in a few weeks? I don't know how to trust this data anymore. We had 336k last month, and now it's all the way down at 150k? wtf.

What is so fucking difficult about NOT crabbing the market

>>56547425
Yes it will, and no one will care.

>>56547422
Whaaat? You said buy more? ok

>unemployment up
>summer jobs revised down 100k
I keep telling you people the layoffs have been building and the hiring doesn't exist. Most jobs you see on LinkedIn are bullshit as well and half are for internal candidates only but they have to make them public. We are landing softly, look at the 4th quarter guided for holiday season. They're shitloads of money, higher EPS (which is more important than rveneue itself lmao). Like it or not we are soft landing and it will be slurped up in markers when at a minimum q2 guides will return to growth trajectory.

>>56547429
Mexicans, jews, women.

I’m going to need a QRD been working all week and haven’t had time to assess the market. Did J POW turn on the printer again?

>>56547425
>so real talk, is this non-farm payroll number going to be revised to double what we just got in a few weeks? I don't know how to trust this data anymore. We had 336k last month, and now it's all the way down at 150k? wtf.
Just because the market isn't red hot doesn't mean it's going into recession. The current state is perfect because it means the fed is done. Which means cuts can start getting priced in. This is the best situation possible.

>>56547439
He's mumbling and fondling the switch but hasn't turned it on yet.

>>56545275
>Pre-market

>>56547443
I just dont know if I trust anything the government is giving us about the stats. I'm net long since the FOMC. im riding the wave

Every god damn time I enter a trade the market fucking crabs

this must be manipulation. my Kelter bands, ATR, MACD and RSI said this was impossible.

>>56547325
>Avg hoursly earnings below estimates
Once again proves how cucked wagies on average are. Companies need to constantly up the ante in terms of earnings so of course production compensation is gonna get lowered. Heh, insanely bullish for stock
>Participation rate
The only metric that actually matters when it comes to employment. Have we just witnessed the peak of participation?

>6.5% man euro's are lazy
Unemployment doesn't matter, what matter is participation rate.

WHERES MY POSTIVE GAMMA GEX FLIP MY DICK ANON WASNT SPY AT 43 something. ARE WE GOING UP I WANNA SEE YOU SHILL IT FGT

>>56547455

>>56547454
Sounds like someone needs to stop "entering trades" and start DCAing into index funds over the long term.

>>56547429
*snibs you* Know your place meatbag

>>56547445

Thanks senpai

Going to rally until it gets rugged on the 14th by the cpi report. Estimates are way too low. Inflation really started coming down this time last year, so relative to that, we will appear to be getting higher. The year scale is shit and will fuck the market up. Inflation is actually slowly still coming down, but because of this relativity, it will appear to have jumped.

>>56547455
You must be looking at a small timeframe silly. Look at the daily instead.

>>56547436
>unemployment up

Thats great news

>>56547485
=recession=rate cuts

>>56547470
Yes then I can have a respectable amount of money in 40 years

>yesterday had a face ripping move
>anyone sane with higher than room temp iq would short this or take profit
>look at futures
>pumping even more

this can't be sustainable, there is no way we will keep going near vertical like this

>>56547495
Beats not making money, since the market always crabs when you "enter a trade".

>>56547503
It went down pretty hard. It will probably go up quite a bit too.

>>56547503
zoom out

>There have been 13 official recessions dating back to 1937, according to Calvasina's research. The average length of the drawdown period for the S&P 500 around these recessions has been 381 days.
>Typically, the stock market bottoms four to five months before a recession ends, but RBC's research details that it has bottomed as early as nine months before the end of a recession. There is one exception: the 2001 recession, in which the stock market bottomed 10 months later.
>The average market bottom during the recession comes after 169 days with the S&P500 down 21%.
Reminder that markets do not bottom before the recession, but they end before the recession ends
We are just now entering the recession
Markets will move lower.

>>56547503
lol bears coping who don't understand how markets work and how stocks are actually a hedge against inflation in the end.

>>56547503

>>56547503
>there is no way we will keep going near vertical like this
>the meltup just entered the chat

>>56546273

damn FANG (diamondback) going to pay some sexy divvies.

So solar and renewables are dead here with interest rates over 1% right? i dont see any of them putting out good projections and expectations.

>>56547515
We'll still get a rally though so don't be stupid with shorts.

>Laptops/Notebooks with critical E-Mails regarding CumEx-Scholz-scandal lost out of a safe
Lol, Scholz is clearly guilty and now proof is suddenly lost. The guy who had the duty to keep them safe also is SPD... lmao.

>>56547420
>for everyone younger in the middle to lower classes
i.e. people that matter not to the stock markets. Yes, younger people are priced out of the housing market. And yes, the potential gains by investing now are way smaller than say after the 2009 crash where it was free money for anyone with a brain cell or two. And yes, the job market is a bitch right now and you get paid less and less for the amount of work you do.
Ehhh anyway, houses are bigger and America has never been better.
You forget that since the older generations are doing so insanely well and have insane savings, that money is bound to go to the newer generations as they keep aging. Parents will bequeath their savings and massive properties to their children.
America has never been better, m8
>>56547503
Took em' a month to drag us down only to reverse in mere days. Heh, bobos never win do they?

>>56547503
Prepare to get squeezed out faggot.

>>56547515
>We are just now entering the recession
bobos are like qboomers. It's always two more weeks

hello frens, I have 100 dollars. tell me what I want to put it into

Wow lmfao bears are in full retard cope mode. LOVE to see it hahahahahahaha

>>56547517
Aren't they so fucking dumb hahahahaha

>>56547503
>This can't be sustainable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is EXACTLY what I said you faggots would be doing when everything reversed

>>56547536
>You forget that since the older generations are doing so insanely well and have insane savings, that money is bound to go to the newer generations as they keep aging. Parents will bequeath their savings and massive properties to their children.
>America has never been better, m8
Ah yes, I'll look forward to starting a family when I'm 60 and work for free in the mean time.
Employment in the US no longer has value.

>>56547536
>and have insane savings, that money is bound to go to the newer generations as they keep aging
AHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

>>56547547
NVDA calls for end of december strike $600

>>56546954
>>56546968
TARK and SARK were the original LJIM/SJIM.

>>56547543
buddy.
see
>>56547275
>>56547341
>Makers of refrigerators, boats and teeth straighteners say US consumers are no longer buying big-ticket items, per Bloomberg.
>Regarding price action in bonds he said "this is the classic price action before a recession".
Yes. This is the recession. Lol. The bond market is calling it - why do you think yields have gone from 5% to 4.5% in a week??? Lmao

>>56547547
money market funds

>US 10 year treasury has dropped 40 basis points in 3 days.
Well it's green for the next few weeks at least.

Is AAPL going out of business?

>>56547547
Yourself :)

>>56547532
scholz being an obvious criminal is the only thing he's got going for himself that makes him look like one of the world leaders

>>56547560
>why do you think yields have gone from 5% to 4.5% in a week???
fear of rates hikes, which has now been extinguished. Now not only will rate cuts begin to get priced in, but we will see the fruition of inflation inflating stock prices to new highs.

If you own 1/1000th of a company producing one billion apples, after massive 1000% inflation you'll still roughly own the economic value of the profit of producing 1 million apples, even if the apple is now 10x more expensive. Expressed in the new, devalued, currency, that economic value will simply represent a lot more currency.

>>56547560
Hahahahahaha of COURSE you fucking idiots quote mainstream news bullshit to try convincing everyone that your doomer thesis is right. You'll get there someday champ.

>>56547547
Probably groceries.

>>56547570
>fear of rates hikes, which has now been extinguished
Why do you think that is??? Lmao. Why do you think there will be no more hikes, that the market is expecting now cuts??? Because the economy is so fucking weak, that we are going into recession - that yields will fall. Lmaooo. How do you not understand???
You're literally saying it in the first part of your post.
>>56547571
LMAO. /pol/ retard detected. Yeah, markets DEFINITELY don't move off of Bloomberg reports.
>forexlive is mainstream media
lmao. Kill yourself retard

>>56547584
Oh I'M the /pol/ retard hahahahahah

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>>56547572
they do the same thing in france, but with dirt bikes kek

>>56547569
god I hate my fucking joke of a country

ALLAHAMDULAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-OfB1to0sw

>ITT retards think they know better than bond managers with $100+ billion assets under management
https://www.forexlive.com/news/gundlach-i-believe-weve-started-a-bond-rally-here-20231101/
>Regarding price action in bonds he said "this is the classic price action before a recession".
Yeah, I'm sure you're right anons. I'm sure you know better than the people who make a living trading bonds. Lol.
>SEE, NO MORE RATE HIKES!!! THIS IS BULLISH!!!
Buddy, lmao, no more hikes because the economy is weak!! How do you not understand???
Are you really all this retarded?? Genuinely disturbing

>>56547569
>>56547598

I can't believe how the german people let him become Kanzler. It has changed my view on germans.

>>56547547
An all-world etf and then forget about it for 30 years.

I fat fingered "buy to open" calls instead of "sell to open" calls again yesterday.

>>56547348
The market is not the economy :^)

>>56547602
>Buddy, lmao, no more hikes because the economy is weak!! How do you not understand???

Priced in. Buy when people are scared. And fuck you

>>56547425
Yeah and even if the numbers were higher than expected we'd pump anyway

>>56547602
>le trust the experts argument again

you dropped your face diaper and you 5th booster shot

>>56547602
Buddy look at spy computer. They can't stop the buying.

>>56547572
Why doesn't anyone give them a good beating? Utterly pathetic

>>56547612
luckily you should always inverse yourself anyway and it worked out right anon?

>the aapl fud articles are already being printed and posted all over
>they gave sensible guidance for a weak spending environment with even higher EPS due to insane margin growth
Yeah I'm gonna slurp if it drops some more, I might even buy a few shares now to.

>>56547610
Is there something else than ALL-world?

>>56547613
>earnings
>GDP
>rates
That's all economy :)

>>56547629
>>56547629
>>56547629

Why are Germans never satisfied?

>>56547413
The Shuttle was a piece of overengineered dogshit.

>>56547620
>he thinks I care about premarket price action on thin liquidity
Lol

new
>>56547629
>>56547629
>>56547629

>>56547634
11/17 strike date

>>56547425
> We had 336k last month
Uh, that just got revised down to 297k, chief: https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cesnaicsrev.htm#2023

>>56547645
Check the $uvol computer then, if your broker allows you to look at volume

>>56547639
Developed world? That way you're not funding communism.

>>56547571
>mainstream news bullshit to try convincing everyone that your doomer thesis is right.
wut

>>56547612
The other month I went to sell some ITM calls.
I typed in a limit of 6.00 and saw the estimated proceeds. I literally thought "wow that's weird, I don't usually make money like that, I must have meant 0.06."
The order was immediately filled. FML.

>>56547613
Lower cost -> higher revenue -> higher earnings -> higher EPS -> higher index

>>56547572
what the fuck is wrong with niggers

why are they so animalistic even though they have been domesticated for hundreds of years

More gains to be had.

this pump is the most delusional thing ive ever witnessed, the end is truly near